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TSmetalslug
post Nov 21 2016, 11:11 AM, updated 9y ago

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I hope forumers can advise me about gated and guarded environment.

I own a house in Johor located in Nusajaya( is a landed property, not condo). For the 1st 2 years, the gated and guarded is free. After 2 years, the developer will handover back to resident after the resident form a Committee (not sure this is correct). Before coming to end of second year, the residents formed a Committee board and held their 1st AGM back in Oct. Now after the formed, no more updated from the committee. Think they are still waiting for something before they announce.

Heard slighty that they will charge approximate RM100 for each house for gated and guarded so called the maintenance fee.

So my question is,

1) Rm100 is it more or less can cover the expanses and maintenance fee?
2) What is some resident dont pay the fee if they thought Rm100 is alot (1000 house x RM100 = RM100k per mth?)
3) Can you sell the house if you dont pay the maintenance fee? Does the committee has right to stop owner from selling out the unit?
4) Is the group / persatuan can collect fee on behalf of the resident?


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post Nov 21 2016, 11:16 AM

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Look, you want to have the comfort of having gated and guarded environment for your home.
Someone (or in this case the community) has to pay for it.
However, maintenance does not only cover security; also includes landscaping, rubbish collection, etc.
So question is - are you a good community member?
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 11:16 AM)
Look, you want to have the comfort of having gated and guarded environment for your home.
Someone (or in this case the community) has to pay for it.
However, maintenance does not only cover security; also includes landscaping, rubbish collection, etc.
So question is - are you a good community member?
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we all have been supporting the community but recently their slogan is like no money = no guard which makes me uncomfortable. we do have a group in FB and whatapps. The more we ask some question, the more they skip our questions.

I'm in doubt the way the handle us as resident.

Rubbish collection is under MBJPT right? Should not be in the maintenance list. As I said, we are in landed property. Not condo.
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 11:21 AM)
we all have been supporting the community but recently their slogan is like no money = no guard which makes me uncomfortable. we do have a group in FB and whatapps. The more we ask some question, the more they skip our questions.

I'm in doubt the way the handle us as resident.

Rubbish collection is under MBJPT right? Should not be in the maintenance list. As I said, we are in landed property. Not condo.
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When in doubt, ask the committee members / treasurer. They should provide full visibility of the finances.

p/s: Has the persatuan penduduk been established officially and registered?

This post has been edited by Satori 14118a: Nov 21 2016, 11:30 AM
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 11:28 AM)
When in doubt, ask the committee members / treasurer. They should provide full visibility of the finances.

p/s: Has the persatuan penduduk been established officially and registered?
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yes we do ask our question to them, asking to breakdown the fee , what is cover and the progress. we dont received update in FB or whatapps group. Is alread registered officially this year.
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(rangerdanger @ Nov 21 2016, 11:44 AM)
1. Yes
2. Dont pay u cannot do anything
3. Yes. No.
4. Yes.
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For answer number 3, is it we are not in strata title? So the persatuan can take legal action to us?
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(rangerdanger @ Nov 21 2016, 11:50 AM)
You own your house. The house is not bounded by clauses stating that it cant be sold if there are arrears in 'security' fee etc. Unlike condos, you need to settle the arrears before you can sell because it's contractual.
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Somehow, our FB groups got mentions they can legal action to us resident if we dont pay. I dont know which act but they said they can find a way.
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post Nov 21 2016, 12:59 PM

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Some reading for your info.
Link
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post Nov 21 2016, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 12:59 PM)
Some reading for your info.
Link
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the link is refering to strata title and high rise buidling i think condo.
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post Nov 21 2016, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 11:58 AM)
Somehow, our FB groups got mentions they can legal action to us resident if we dont pay. I dont know which act but they said they can find a way.
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bro... landed can be also under strata title like EW project... but then... from what you mentioned... u are individual title... hence... u have freedom to do all the things u mentioned above... but if the security concept broke down because of one paying.... good luck to u TS....
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post Nov 21 2016, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:22 PM)
bro... landed can be also under strata title like EW project... but then... from what you mentioned... u are individual title... hence... u have freedom to do all the things u mentioned above... but if the security concept broke down because of one paying.... good luck to u TS....
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hmm.... what should I do now? pay the fee even others not willing to pay? hmmm
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post Nov 21 2016, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 02:27 PM)
hmm.... what should I do now? pay the fee even others not willing to pay? hmmm
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this is one of the headache staying in a individual title landed... have to be praying for good neighbours... but you can try to join the non paying option... wait the security application failed... and see how it will be going from then on... even u pay, ur amount alone also the security wont succeed anyway... strengthen up your house security for the time being...
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:32 PM)
this is one of the headache staying in a individual title landed... have to be praying for good neighbours... but you can try to join the non paying option... wait the security application failed... and see how it will be going from then on... even u pay, ur amount alone also the security wont succeed anyway... strengthen up your house security for the time being...
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Reasonable.. since my group is not so mature enough. We will just wait and see next year Jan.
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 02:50 PM)
Reasonable.. since my group is not so mature enough. We will just wait and see next year Jan.
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yeah... also depends your house area investor more or own stayers more... like my housing area... own stayers quite decent in numbers... and they all willing to pay... hence the security still sustainable for now... but wont know how long can is sustain in the future... haha...
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post Nov 21 2016, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:59 PM)
yeah... also depends your house area investor more or own stayers more... like my housing area... own stayers quite decent in numbers... and they all willing to pay... hence the security still sustainable for now... but wont know how long can is sustain in the future... haha...
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i think 35% is rent or on sale. some not occupied. some rented to bangala as well.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 03:07 PM)
i think 35% is rent or on sale. some not occupied. some rented to bangala as well..  doh.gif
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generally those own stayers will be willing to pay... as this involve their own personal safety... if own stay are lesser... this will be quite a challenge... generally without proper security... break in can happen almost immediately after some owners moved in... like my housing area the first phase project... security issue taking too slow to resolve... at least 10+ units gt broke in in a span of one month.... damn dangerous...
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post Nov 23 2016, 11:07 PM

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Can't depend on guard entirely unless well trained ones....too many sub standard guards nowadays
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QUOTE(quicksilver9832 @ Nov 23 2016, 11:07 PM)
Can't depend on guard entirely unless well trained ones....too many sub standard guards nowadays
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I believe what they will hired is not local. But some residents not comfortable with local. And some doubting the ability to guard the taman.
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post Nov 24 2016, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 24 2016, 08:06 AM)
I believe what they will hired is not local. But some residents not comfortable with local. And some doubting the ability to guard the taman.
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Guard or no guard better have dogs..cctv...alarm all in
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post Nov 24 2016, 03:46 PM

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Sorry, just to seek clarification. If your gated and guarded security is in place and you dont want to pay for the security, can the security stop you from entering the area, compound to your house ?

I hearing mix answers to this so any guru here can answer, must appreciated.



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