Like I said...I just don't expect to see short term change. But long term, who knows?

Each and every rally is a public slap to the face of Jibby and his administration. Its basically a message that there are people out there who will not stand for his nonsense and are not afraid of his threats.

Doing something is still better than nothing. The first couple of rallies DID result in change. BN lost their 2/3 majority in Parliament, didn't they? 2 states are now under opposition control.

Oh, but Bersih has been hijacked. All that jazz. Bla bla. That's just nonsense that the BN wants you to believe. It was opposition aligned from the start. That said, it can very easily turn against the opposition too should there ever come a day they end up in power but do a terrible job.

gerrymandering needs to be stopped.

Long term ah? How long ah? Lol.

My verdict : Same PM for 2018 - 2023.

since u talk so hebat, come. u teach us what to do then. since u said this.


How to do and what to do.

...and Bijan is still PM. Useless BerShit.

Something I don't quite get about you.

Bijan is something that only those who are opposed to our current PM will use. Its like the term Jibby.

And yet, you use the term 'BerShit', which is something I've only heard hardcore BN supporters like those red shirts use.

What the heck are you?

Don't give me that 'neutral' bullshit. You don't sound neutral at all.

You do know I support RPK right? And RPK support PAS since he was in ABIM before Anwar getting fired. TGHA also RPK tok guru so ..... yeah.

Ah...RPK. That explains a lot.

RPK supports PAS? Yeah, right.

Yup. The last minute change to KLCC after thousands were denied the march towards Dataran is evidence. I saw many "leaving" the main group towards Brickfields/Sentral area for either lunch or walking towards Masjid Jamek. Once the call was made to head to KLCC, almost all heeded. But that standoff at Travers may have diminished the number of crowd as some wandered off.

He seems to be like those westerners who is closer to one party but doesn't really swallow everything from the party, may support other parties too.

And I think that is what Malaysian politicians still don't understand.

Some folks here also seem to think that I support DAP or something when what I really want is to see a 2-party system in this country where we can swap govts when we're not happy with the performance of the previous one.

I don't fucking care if the opposition are 'incompetent'. Who else do we have? Its not like all these people who are complaining are stepping up. Not happy with our politicians? Than why aren't you one yourself, if you think you can do better?

Put the system in place first. At the very least, changing govts will allow us to hold the previous one responsible for hijinks like 1MDB. Even if we can't get competent governance, we can at least punish the previous one for its incompetence.

After a couple of terms of this, maybe they might finally get the message and start to not fuck up. Than maybe we can hope for something better at that point.

makes sense. ty! need more ppl like u

2-party or multiparty is one of the way to reduce the rot. But it is not the ultimate solution - see what happened in the US. Both sides are rotten.

Hold the previous one responsible? Why are they not taking actions against the corruptions of Muhyiddin and Mahathir?

In Selangor, I don't see anyone getting the message. Shenanigans in Selangor government, incompetent opposition. Likely the present Selangor government will stay?

Edit: I prefer to support both sides while not supporting both sides.
UMNO still plagued with Mahathirism and racism.
DAP still plagued with their old anti-Malay agenda from the 80's

This post has been edited by YellowKingValley: Nov 20 2016, 01:36 AM

if u are so capable then start your own party and get your own ppl, lika JAMAL

Nope, bukan terhutang budi.. but their mindset, kerajaan selalunya betul, sebab tu jadi kerajaan, majority sokong kerajaan.. sebab itu kena undi kerajaan.. walaupun jiran aku tu bawah kerajaan selangor, (jabatan dia ada sebahagian under negeri, sebahagian under pusat, tapi satu jabatan lah semuanya)

Dia tatap sokong BN, walaupun bonus full gaji dia selangor yg kasi, colleuge dia yang bawah pusat, cuma dapat rm500 lel..

Dia jenis hari hari tengok berita tv, sambil baca surat khabar, pantang ada tulis pasal pembangkang, mesti dikutuknya..

Gula naik, dia pun cakap, elok la, acik pun dah x minum manis.. dengar macam kelakar, tapi tobat aku tak reka cerita wehh..

Mahathir dulu dia sanjung, sejak masuk pembangkang, terus dia cop mahathir nyanyuk..

Kalau nak borak dengan dia isu lain, dia boleh borak, rasa macam intelek tinggi je, tapi bila isu gst, isu sokong kerajaan, serius rasa nak lempang.. hahaha.. gaji dia takde la besar mana, bini pun tak kerja, boleh pulak gi sokong gst, sokong barang naik..

Dia memang tak pernah nak ambik tahu pasal pembangkang, tak pernah nak selidik cerita dua belah pihak, yang dia tahu, pembangkang ni kerja nak bangkang je, pembangkang jahat, kerajaan baik..

Alaa.. macam masa sekolah dulu dulu la, masa mula mula belajar debat, memang semua nak jadi kerajaan, kalau jadi pembangkang tandanya jahat.. hahaha.. pstu kompem pembangkang kalah..

Dah lama pastu baru tahu, pembangkang dalam debat tak selalunya kalah..kalau hujah power, still boleh menang

Ugh...its kinda the same side, no? BN hits Mahathir, its not like Dr M doesn't have dirt on them too.

Err...incompetent opposition? Isn't BN the opposition now in Selangor? That means they are incompetent?

However much shenanigans, its not near a certain Toyo's level yet. I'm content for now. If we want to swap them out, sure. But it has to be someone else in charge of Federal before I will let BN take Selangor again (as in vote for them).

If the EC doesn't get away with the gerrymandering and PAS doesn't side with BN, Selangor will not be under BN next GE.

This post has been edited by arubin: Nov 20 2016, 02:43 AM

Dont need to change topic. Just admit your excuses earlier is just immature and stupid.

"We dont want to make lipot because more paperwork for police. End up no police patrol at street."

But rally at street wont make police busy. Topkek.

Damn bloody funny and stupid justification.

This post has been edited by apj8188: Nov 20 2016, 02:51 AM

Look at how other countries handle peaceful rallies. It just needs a handful of police for traffic control. Its not like they had to mobilise FRU and all that, right?

bersih not go bcoz must cari rezeki.get 300 sale today saturday.

I vote for BN , I already keluar so I every election went to embassy to vote BN . Love to see those stuck in Malaysia continue suffer under BN

Does that consider neutral?