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briantwj
post Nov 19 2016, 05:20 PM

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the thing is, we as normal rakyat can demonstrate on the street and stuff lidat. But we also need those with bigger influence to help us. Only normal rakyat is not enough. We need the big players to be on our side.

We can only do so much at our normal rakyat level. Nw see if investors, pegawai2, opposition leader, can help us push at higher power level or not.
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post Nov 19 2016, 05:28 PM

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and again, i say this again. Some parts of sabah and sarawak, they dun have access to internet, astro, they only watch tv1, 2, and 3. And who control those media?

Plus have u watch bijan's Budget negara that day? he still continue to give facilities to sabahan and sarawakian, buying their votes. He is allocating money to build infrastructure to them, in return buying their votes. Our reach now is to those rakyat that has no internet or astro access. We need to wake them up!
briantwj
post Nov 19 2016, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(fuifuiTan @ Nov 19 2016, 05:31 PM)
give money for facilities pun cakap buying votes

no give money for facilities pun kau marah tak develop s&s...
semua pun kamu cakap aje la
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then why don't u put in ur opinion? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 19 2016, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 19 2016, 06:40 PM)
We been asking for that for ages, since bersih 2.0, yet EC keeps doing redeliniation every time and each time it is to the disadvantage of the urban voters.

Now you want to do the same thing again and again although it's been proven not to work multiple times in the past. Like a broken record...

Like it or not, convincing rural voters to stop voting BN is the key, yet people like you don't even bother trying to do this and but instead believe that doing the same shit over and over again would yield different results.

We haven't even tried to convince kampung people properly even once. Why not try that first? What's the harm in it instead of repetitively doing something which didn't work in the past.
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I agree whole heartedly with u. But then, what can a typical urban rakyat do? We can at most join Bersih. We need those with powers to stand on our side, then only we can make the kampung ppl to vote against the ruling party. What can u, an urban rakyat do other than joining Bersih?

All of us fly to kampung and tell 1 by 1? the kampung ppl are still lacking in open media, all still depend on tv1, 2, and 3. Can we normal ppl provide them astro, internet? No.

In the end of the day, we need ppl with power to back us up. We need orang atas to back us up.

My stance is, yes, demonstration can help to a certain degree, but if we really want to make a change, we need those who has power from the inside to help us. Only demonstration can't do much. Unless demonstrate until no disband. Keep stay there, until the opposition leader come out and negotiate. Which we know wont happen, why? Because some ahem law will be activate and capture the leader and organizer or Bersih. Then the leader will have to ask Bersih comer to disband.


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post Nov 19 2016, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Nov 19 2016, 07:19 PM)
yea, you should do this, but instead the opposition only know to blame the rural citizens for not choosing them.
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you as in all the urban rakyat? or those that is running for the next election?

for starters, those area are already being ruled by the government. sad.gif


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post Nov 19 2016, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Nov 19 2016, 07:24 PM)
You originally born in KL? Don't have kampung that you go back to during CNY?

I know some ppl born and bred here but majority of ppl living in urban areas are originally from kampung, when you go back there for CNY or relative wedding just spread as much as you can during those visits la, you don't need to do it often if everyone does it collectively.

Actually most kampung ppl now got astro but they only subscribe to awani which is no different from TV3. Internet also got but they don't get news about bersih etc in their feed,  mainly coz they subscribe to different pages compared to urban people and some also dun have urban friends in their FB coz their urban friends assume they don't have Internet so didn't bother adding them.

My message is that we should reconnect with the rural people, when you go back talk to them about the country, ask if they got FB, TWITTER, INSTA, add them and continue speaking to them online.
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Yes, that is the most that we can do. spreading it to our relative and frens that is in kampung area. But in terms of election candidate, we need the opposition to work on their front too.

All we can do is use our mouth and show our side of the story to them. We need the opposition candidate too. If everyone work together, we definitely can do it.

QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Nov 19 2016, 07:30 PM)
everyone that wants to change la, why need others to do the job. why others must do and you do not?
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Everyone that wants to change need to do THEIR job. Bersih rally-er, opposition, etc. Thats what I'm trying to say. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 20 2016, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(telement @ Nov 20 2016, 12:13 AM)
There you go. You admitted it yourself. Don't expect to see change. So, go for what?

Wanna do something, do it to get results.
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lel. please learn to read la.

he wrote this.

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Do I expect to see change? No. Not in the short term, and one of the reasons why change isn't going to happen so easily is precisely because of the mentality of people like you. Armchair critics who aren't contributing and only know how to find faults with the efforts of others.
ur level of putar halim is as gud as our leader. lel

What arubin means is he dont expect result in the short term, but long term yes. doh.gif

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post Nov 20 2016, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(narf03 @ Nov 19 2016, 07:51 PM)
That's your point of view, I think what u do is pointless while u think what we do are pointless, we want the voting system to change, while u want the votes to change, changing the voting system should grand US the victory while changing a lot of votes might not do anything as we know the system is flawed, even u get 70% of votes u still lose cause of the system, next election they can still adjust the system to win with lesser and lesser votes.
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gerrymandering needs to be stopped.
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post Nov 20 2016, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(telement @ Nov 20 2016, 12:27 AM)
Long term ah? How long ah? Lol.

My verdict : Same PM for 2018 - 2023.
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since u talk so hebat, come. u teach us what to do then. since u said this.

QUOTE(telement @ Nov 20 2016, 12:13 AM)
Wanna do something, do it to get results.
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How to do and what to do. rolleyes.gif

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