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darius!
post Nov 19 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 19 2016, 10:42 PM)
Afraid to vote BN? You think Mahathir era in the 80's and 90's? After reformasi (by the Malays), now people don't give a fuck. And government can't do anything.

They are only worried with whom they will be associating with.

Edit: Ok other than villages which still depend on government money to function. Getting blackmailed. No undi BN, they cut funds.
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My neighbor who is gov servant still thinks, kerja kerajaan mesti undi kerajaan..
Guess what, thanks to bersih and every other awareness campaign, his children does not think alike.. but at home they fake it la cos their dad will get angry..

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post Nov 19 2016, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(darius! @ Nov 19 2016, 10:43 PM)
Whats wrong in saving own ass?
Its not like they hand over their ballot paper to someone that crosses BN?

Teacher do teacher job lah. If that is what they are told to do, then they do. If u dont want they follow BN, then change the gomen, they can follow your hadi awang, kit siang, sabu lah..

Are you expecting teachers to preach politics in school? Nobody is crazy enough la dey, even if ayam a teacher also i wont show i support Pakatan.

If ayam kena buang kerja, u think pakatan will save me? No i dont think so. Why must they save my ass?
If like that, those hard core umno teachers can blody wear umno shirt to school la, since their cable much bigger, menteri will save them anytime..
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kiddo, i think u have no idea what's going on in the system of corrupt. u go and tell the teachers to speak out and raise issues against the govt education policies. what u r saying is the future and dream of bersih supporters. not going to happen yet. yawn.gif
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post Nov 19 2016, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 06:00 PM)
And you are fighting for this nation by being a keyboard warrior?

Good job. Keep up the good fight you.
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And you're somehow fighting for this nation by disrupting traffic and attending an event that has the potential to ignite a racial war?

Good job, Sir Lancelot.
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post Nov 19 2016, 10:54 PM

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don't fight guys, monday back to reality. RM is going to be RM 4.50 soon. A cup of starbuck will affect you soon guys, i know most of u r middle class citizen with nice house with bank loans and waiting to settle down permanently. not today and not tomorrow. gd nite.
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post Nov 19 2016, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(darius! @ Nov 19 2016, 10:47 PM)
My neighbor who is gov servant still thinks, kerja kerajaan mesti undi kerajaan..
Guess what, thanks to bersih and every other awareness campaign, his children does not think alike.. but at home they fake it la cos their dad will get angry..
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But all in all, it's a little hard to express your thoughts in politics, especially for a 16-year-old minor like me.
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post Nov 19 2016, 10:56 PM

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Zzz....
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QUOTE(tinybee @ Nov 19 2016, 04:53 PM)
Malaysians are not hungry enough to trigger a change. Dont believe? Go visit kampungs in Malaysia you will understand.

In short, everything goes back to normal on Monday.
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Absolutely agree on this. That's why I never turn out in this rally. None of the leader is making things to happen except just walk the talk ain't do the talk.
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(darius! @ Nov 19 2016, 10:47 PM)
My neighbor who is gov servant still thinks, kerja kerajaan mesti undi kerajaan..
Guess what, thanks to bersih and every other awareness campaign, his children does not think alike.. but at home they fake it la cos their dad will get angry..
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Which means they are not afraid, but terhutang budi. Tak undi BN, tak akan kena demote buang ke pendalaman.

The ones afraid are kampungs which might lose their lifeline.

Get the reasons right.

darius: Jangan takut tak undi BN!
voter: What takut? *undi BN*
darius: Penakut! Coward!
voter: What? I undi BN cuz terhutang budi.

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post Nov 19 2016, 11:05 PM

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This time around I wouldnt say its a total failure. Its more organised compared to the last 1.
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:19 PM

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Bersih supporters still think their got support from all malaysians..politicals party make bersih just another oppo vs govt event..
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Flaxnot @ Nov 19 2016, 10:50 PM)
And you're somehow fighting for this nation by disrupting traffic and attending an event that has the potential to ignite a racial war?

Good job, Sir Lancelot.
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There's no racial war. Plenty of Malays marched along with us. Its just being played up by certain quarters. rolleyes.gif

Go complain to BN, whose forefathers won independence for this country precisely by disrupting traffic. icon_idea.gif tongue.gif

Their successors seem to be ignorant of history though. hmm.gif
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:33 PM

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Based on this guys opinion....

KUALA LUMPUR: Majoriti rakyat Malaysia menolak sikap hipokrit Bersih dan Parti Pribumi Bersatu Malaysia (PPBM) pimpinan Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, kata Menteri Komunikasi dan Multimedia Datuk Seri Dr Salleh Said Keruak.

Berasaskan jumlah peserta Bersih 5 yang keluar hari ini, Salleh berkata ini menunjukkan kegagalan serius buat Dr Mahathir dan parti baharunya, rakan baharu dalam gabungan Pakatan Harapan yang diketuai DAP.

Beliau berkata penubuhan parti baharu Dr Mahathir bertujuan menghimpunkan penyokong baharu orang Melayu untuk Pakatan dan Bersih 5.
“Namun, mereka yang berarak hari ini hanya 3% dari perhimpunan Bersih tahun lepas – iaitu, 15,500 hari ini berbanding 500,000 tahun lepas yang didakwa Bersih.
“Jikapun anda ambil kira angka yang diberikan Malaysiakini, jumlah hari ini tidak lebih daripada 41,000 – kurang daripada 10% daripada angka yang didakwa Bersih tahun lepas,” katanya dalam satu kenyataan malam ini.


Salleh berkata, kesan daripada Dr Mahathir dan kroninya menyertai Bersih menyaksikan jumlah peserta yang keluar menurun hampir 97%.
“Orang Melayu mengesan agenda peribadinya dan enggan turut serta. Dan beribu-ribu rakyat Cina Malaysia yang menyertai Bersih tahun lepas begitu mual melihat Mahathir terlibat, mereka duduk saja di rumah,” kata beliau.

Salleh juga berkata majoriti rakyat Malaysia dapat melihat bahawa PPBM parti yang ‘sudah berlalu’ dan menemui kegagalan.
“Diwujudkan hasil kekecewaan Mahathir akibat anaknya tidak berpeluang menjadi perdana menteri selepas UMNO menolak beliau,” katanya.
Menteri itu berkata demokrasi tegak kukuh di Malaysia.

“Ia tidak mungkin lenyap semata-mata kerana angan-angan seorang tua yang pernah mengaku dirinya sebagai diktator semasa berkuasa,” katanya.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...nding-bersih-4/

BN finally admits Bersih had 500k participants last year..
Trolololol
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(azhan82 @ Nov 19 2016, 11:33 PM)
Based on this guys opinion....


http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...nding-bersih-4/

BN finally admits Bersih had 500k participants last year..
Trolololol
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Last year was over a few days mah, sure more in total.
But yeah, they admit, lol

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post Nov 19 2016, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Nov 19 2016, 11:19 PM)
Bersih supporters still think their got support from all malaysians..politicals party make bersih just another oppo vs govt event..
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Don't be daft. We went knowing full well its a 'vs current govt' event.

But you are mistaken in thinking that we went to support oppo. We went because we are disgusted with the present govt and we want to see some change.

Any change at all.

Even if it means voting for a monkey. And when I say monkey, I don't mean a certain someone who used to sell ikan bakar but had to close down his shops cos no business.
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post Nov 19 2016, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 11:42 PM)
Don't be daft. We went knowing full well its a 'vs current govt' event.

But you are mistaken in thinking that we went to support oppo. We went because we are disgusted with the present govt and we want to see some change.

Any change at all.

Even if it means voting for a monkey. And when I say monkey, I don't mean a certain someone who used to sell ikan bakar but had to close down his shops cos no business.
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So you think what you did today will see some change?

Lol....

Yo, wake up!

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post Nov 20 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 11:42 PM)
Don't be daft. We went knowing full well its a 'vs current govt' event.

But you are mistaken in thinking that we went to support oppo. We went because we are disgusted with the present govt and we want to see some change.

Any change at all.

Even if it means voting for a monkey. And when I say monkey, I don't mean a certain someone who used to sell ikan bakar but had to close down his shops cos no business.
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You think people support that monkey ikan bakar also?
What i saw today just two colour monkey..
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post Nov 20 2016, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(telement @ Nov 19 2016, 11:54 PM)
So you think what you did today will see some change?

Lol....

Yo, wake up!
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Whatever gave you that stupid idea?

Do I expect to see change? No. Not in the short term, and one of the reasons why change isn't going to happen so easily is precisely because of the mentality of people like you. Armchair critics who aren't contributing and only know how to find faults with the efforts of others.

Its like I mentioned before. Today, for me, was a show of defiance. Frankly, I was thinking of not going. But than they did all those scare tactics, arresting Maria Chin under Sosma plus letting Jamal threaten people openly while implicitly backing his little group of red shirts. That was too much. That's when I decided I had to go.

Yeah yeah, they 'arrested' him. That's a farce. Wayang kulit. Unless they detain him under Sosma for 28 days like Maria Chin too.
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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Nov 20 2016, 12:00 AM)
You think people support that monkey ikan bakar also?
What i saw today just two colour monkey..
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I know that one side are govt backed monkeys though, whatever they might claim to the contrary.
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post Nov 20 2016, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 20 2016, 12:01 AM)

Do I expect to see change? No.
There you go. You admitted it yourself. Don't expect to see change. So, go for what?

Wanna do something, do it to get results.
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post Nov 20 2016, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(telement @ Nov 20 2016, 12:13 AM)
There you go. You admitted it yourself. Don't expect to see change. So, go for what?

Wanna do something, do it to get results.
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lel. please learn to read la.

he wrote this.

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Do I expect to see change? No. Not in the short term, and one of the reasons why change isn't going to happen so easily is precisely because of the mentality of people like you. Armchair critics who aren't contributing and only know how to find faults with the efforts of others.
ur level of putar halim is as gud as our leader. lel

What arubin means is he dont expect result in the short term, but long term yes. doh.gif

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