I agree whole heartedly with u. But then, what can a typical urban rakyat do? We can at most join Bersih. We need those with powers to stand on our side, then only we can make the kampung ppl to vote against the ruling party. What can u, an urban rakyat do other than joining Bersih?

All of us fly to kampung and tell 1 by 1? the kampung ppl are still lacking in open media, all still depend on tv1, 2, and 3. Can we normal ppl provide them astro, internet? No.

In the end of the day, we need ppl with power to back us up. We need orang atas to back us up.

My stance is, yes, demonstration can help to a certain degree, but if we really want to make a change, we need those who has power from the inside to help us. Only demonstration can't do much. Unless demonstrate until no disband. Keep stay there, until the opposition leader come out and negotiate. Which we know wont happen, why? Because some ahem law will be activate and capture the leader and organizer or Bersih. Then the leader will have to ask Bersih comer to disband.

^ this bigger fail

yea, you should do this, but instead the opposition only know to blame the rural citizens for not choosing them.

I agree whole heartedly with u. But then, what can a typical urban rakyat do? We can at most join Bersih. We need those with powers to stand on our side, then only we can make the kampung ppl to vote against the ruling party. What can u, an urban rakyat do other than joining Bersih?

All of us fly to kampung and tell 1 by 1? the kampung ppl are still lacking in open media, all still depend on tv1, 2, and 3. Can we normal ppl provide them astro, internet? No.

In the end of the day, we need ppl with power to back us up. We need orang atas to back us up.

My stance is, yes, demonstration can help to a certain degree, but if we really want to make a change, we need those who has power from the inside to help us. Only demonstration can't do much. Unless demonstrate until no disband. Keep stay there, until the opposition leader come out and negotiate. Which we know wont happen, why? Because some ahem law will be activate and capture the leader and organizer or Bersih. Then the leader will have to ask Bersih comer to disband.

you as in all the urban rakyat? or those that is running for the next election?

for starters, those area are already being ruled by the government. 

how long u gonna wait? 3 more years? watch news then what? najib still rule...u cant even do anything.. lets put scenario, more than 500k gather BERSIH maybe BERSIH 9 la...then what? u all eat popcorn, walk, taking pictures and etc...but still that stupid bijan rule...if this the best BERSIH can do to rally then its fail. think something else.

Its changing a country you dumbass, you think its going to be 123 ABC ? if you are so capable then do it for all of us, get a gun and have things done for us, we will have your name in history book, we will have our child and grand child to pray at you and permanently burn hell notes to you. If you dont want to take part in the process even your 1 day, shut the hell up and go play your computer game, the world wont change if all ppl like you not willing to sacrifice, if none of us willing to do anything, nobody will help us.

You originally born in KL? Don't have kampung that you go back to during CNY?

I know some ppl born and bred here but majority of ppl living in urban areas are originally from kampung, when you go back there for CNY or relative wedding just spread as much as you can during those visits la, you don't need to do it often if everyone does it collectively.

Actually most kampung ppl now got astro but they only subscribe to awani which is no different from TV3. Internet also got but they don't get news about bersih etc in their feed,  mainly coz they subscribe to different pages compared to urban people and some also dun have urban friends in their FB coz their urban friends assume they don't have Internet so didn't bother adding them.

My message is that we should reconnect with the rural people, when you go back talk to them about the country, ask if they got FB, TWITTER, INSTA, add them and continue speaking to them online.

everyone that wants to change la, why need others to do the job. why others must do and you do not?

Yes, that is the most that we can do. spreading it to our relative and frens that is in kampung area. But in terms of election candidate, we need the opposition to work on their front too.

All we can do is use our mouth and show our side of the story to them. We need the opposition candidate too. If everyone work together, we definitely can do it.
Everyone that wants to change need to do THEIR job. Bersih rally-er, opposition, etc. Thats what I'm trying to say. 

Bersih is a contoh for kampung ppl

let them know we no syiok government. That's all

You originally born in KL? Don't have kampung that you go back to during CNY?

I know some ppl born and bred here but majority of ppl living in urban areas are originally from kampung, when you go back there for CNY or relative wedding just spread as much as you can during those visits la, you don't need to do it often if everyone does it collectively.

Actually most kampung ppl now got astro but they only subscribe to awani which is no different from TV3. Internet also got but they don't get news about bersih etc in their feed,  mainly coz they subscribe to different pages compared to urban people and some also dun have urban friends in their FB coz their urban friends assume they don't have Internet so didn't bother adding them.

My message is that we should reconnect with the rural people, when you go back talk to them about the country, ask if they got FB, TWITTER, INSTA, add them and continue speaking to them online.

I first know about Bersih is Bersih 2.0, but indeed i did not felt how Bersih would give impact and pressure to government.
But now see Bersih is like going to annual carnival event. Some go there take photo only.

Big sacrification is something what Malaysian lack in the demo.

1) Extend the demonstration time.
Which country on earth do peace demonstration/protest from 10pm to 6am (8 hours) on Saturday...... mega_shok.gif
Summore hide below shelter because of matahari terik.
At least give it a week. If still have more than 50% of people attend, then only we talk.
Best if protest and mogok until the government make a change.

2) Bad weather is actually a gift
I see peace demonstration people are thinking of hope no rain lar. And some even say no rain = god is with us.
I felt the other indeed. Rain heavily (or even hailstorm on that day) only means god is on your side.
Standing in open area with heavy rain and hailstorm occurs only shows the determination of a protester, and i believe that this will make into headline and become a world debatable issue.

3) No food and drink during the demonstration, and no UMBRELLA as well
This is to create awareness and make public memo to the world that how serious the issue is. Well, we have 30-hour famine, and i don't think that this is issue since the demo not even last a day.

4) Everyone kneel down in a specific place (best in tar road)
Everyone knows how to stand and sit (as it is more comfortable), but not everyone can kneel down. Yes, you kneel down there and take whatever papan.

5) Don't run when shot water and tear gas
Just stay there. If they want shoot let them shoot.

To make it to the news and become a public debatable issue, you need a headline and popcorn story to tell.

In b4 supporter will say TS contribute wat, only keyboard warrior.
I am just giving concrete suggestion that will improve the chances of change

the motive is good but the execution is bad.
like some other forum we said, it's more like a feel good rally.

yes you make noise, yes you shout, yes you protest.
in the end nothing really happens, what really happens is that their instagram and face book feeds will prolly have one or more pictures to show off that they went to this mega anti government rally that supposedly mean something

after all the bullshit scandals and horrible things happening. malaysians still not angry enough to trigger something bigger and more effective.

it's just barely enough to go out and go to a feel good rally to tell the government yeah we don't like you, oh 5pm already bye gotta work on monday. saturday i'll upload pictures for my friends to like and see.

if you really support Bersih, stop sending your child to govt schools including chinese one. the corruption roots begin there as well. don't be hypocrisy.

Why dont they go and create awareness in kg area? Provide fresh water and electricity to rural area. Show that they can do better job than ruling gov. Bersih is pointless. First bersih i still can brain, to clean up our electoral system. Now its like meh.

i rather you all for this 1 day go and educate the rural citizens, the ones votes that you all need

Gov never take concern about bersih pun? They just ignore.

since bersih 2.0 until 5.0 creating awareness by going to dataran merdeka is not effective at all.
dont forget town ppl already vote for opposition, by going to dataran merdeka will create more awarness to kampung people?
kampung ppl will just ignore this once a year carnival and life as usual.
even until bersih 10.0 kampung ppl will dun give a shit

That's your point of view, I think what u do is pointless while u think what we do are pointless, we want the voting system to change, while u want the votes to change, changing the voting system should grand US the victory while changing a lot of votes might not do anything as we know the system is flawed, even u get 70% of votes u still lose cause of the system, next election they can still adjust the system to win with lesser and lesser votes.