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ToddStarz
post Nov 19 2016, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 19 2016, 07:11 PM)
I agree whole heartedly with u. But then, what can a typical urban rakyat do? We can at most join Bersih. We need those with powers to stand on our side, then only we can make the kampung ppl to vote against the ruling party. What can u, an urban rakyat do other than joining Bersih?

All of us fly to kampung and tell 1 by 1? the kampung ppl are still lacking in open media, all still depend on tv1, 2, and 3. Can we normal ppl provide them astro, internet? No.

In the end of the day, we need ppl with power to back us up. We need orang atas to back us up.

My stance is, yes, demonstration can help to a certain degree, but if we really want to make a change, we need those who has power from the inside to help us. Only demonstration can't do much. Unless demonstrate until no disband. Keep stay there, until the opposition leader come out and negotiate. Which we know wont happen, why? Because some ahem law will be activate and capture the leader and organizer or Bersih. Then the leader will have to ask Bersih comer to disband.
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yea, you should do this, but instead the opposition only know to blame the rural citizens for not choosing them.
ToddStarz
post Nov 19 2016, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 19 2016, 07:23 PM)
you as in all the urban rakyat? or those that is running for the next election?

for starters, those area are already being ruled by the government.  sad.gif
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everyone that wants to change la, why need others to do the job. why others must do and you do not?
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post Nov 19 2016, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(narf03 @ Nov 19 2016, 07:31 PM)
Its changing a country you dumbass, you think its going to be 123 ABC ? if you are so capable then do it for all of us, get a gun and have things done for us, we will have your name in history book, we will have our child and grand child to pray at you and permanently burn hell notes to you. If you dont want to take part in the process even your 1 day, shut the hell up and go play your computer game, the world wont change if all ppl like you not willing to sacrifice, if none of us willing to do anything, nobody will help us.
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i rather you all for this 1 day go and educate the rural citizens, the ones votes that you all need
ToddStarz
post Nov 19 2016, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 19 2016, 07:35 PM)
Yes, that is the most that we can do. spreading it to our relative and frens that is in kampung area. But in terms of election candidate, we need the opposition to work on their front too.

All we can do is use our mouth and show our side of the story to them. We need the opposition candidate too. If everyone work together, we definitely can do it.
Everyone that wants to change need to do THEIR job. Bersih rally-er, opposition, etc. Thats what I'm trying to say.  biggrin.gif
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bersih rally is wasting time and resources, alr 5 times and no changes in sight.
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post Nov 19 2016, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(narf03 @ Nov 19 2016, 07:51 PM)
That's your point of view, I think what u do is pointless while u think what we do are pointless, we want the voting system to change, while u want the votes to change, changing the voting system should grand US the victory while changing a lot of votes might not do anything as we know the system is flawed, even u get 70% of votes u still lose cause of the system, next election they can still adjust the system to win with lesser and lesser votes.
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how does bersih wants the voting system to change when your key speech speaker tun mahathir just said to bring down bn and join his party is the way?

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