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scorptim
post Nov 19 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(fuifuiTan @ Nov 19 2016, 05:00 PM)
since bersih 2.0 until 5.0 creating awareness by going to dataran merdeka is not effective at all.
dont forget town ppl already vote for opposition, by going to dataran merdeka will create more awarness to kampung people?
kampung ppl will just ignore this once a year carnival and life as usual.
even until bersih 10.0 kampung ppl will dun give a shit
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Exactly!

QUOTE(keny2020j @ Nov 19 2016, 05:12 PM)
bersih is sending a message to the world that bijan is a crook, useless, corrupt, tyrant and other etc bad thing. so if he don't step down, other country will slowly stop investing in this country and economy will get worse and worse. so now we should start ready pop corn to wait and to see bijan will grab on to his money or position at the cost of country economy or not
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Obviously he will do the bolded. This bijan, most thick skin animal on the planet.
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post Nov 19 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Nov 19 2016, 05:26 PM)
Achievement unlocked bersih 5

Coming soon bersih 6 in Putrajaya 2017
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If they do next one in putrajaya, I will join, a bit more sense to do it there.
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post Nov 19 2016, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 05:42 PM)
You and your funny ideas.

You think nobody filed police report against Jibby? How did that turn out?

Oh, and you coming into this thread and reading is similar to asking so you can STFU.
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Freedom of speech earlier you pointed out I was out of topic in bersih live thread but this thread is to discuss whether bersih is a failure or not and that's what we are doing. You keep asking people to STFU when they disagree with you. Sounds much like what BN leaders would do.


QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 05:45 PM)
Or we could demand that we get back our urban vote value back instead of this bullshit where the kampungs get to decide who runs this country and the urban vote has no value.
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We been asking for that for ages, since bersih 2.0, yet EC keeps doing redeliniation every time and each time it is to the disadvantage of the urban voters.

Now you want to do the same thing again and again although it's been proven not to work multiple times in the past. Like a broken record...

Like it or not, convincing rural voters to stop voting BN is the key, yet people like you don't even bother trying to do this and but instead believe that doing the same shit over and over again would yield different results.

We haven't even tried to convince kampung people properly even once. Why not try that first? What's the harm in it instead of repetitively doing something which didn't work in the past.

QUOTE(arubin @ Nov 19 2016, 06:00 PM)
And you are fighting for this nation by being a keyboard warrior?

Good job. Keep up the good fight you.
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So you immediately assume don't join bersih = just sit in front of keyboard bang balls la?

Again, just because people don't do things your way don't mean that aren't doing anything. But I guess you've already made up your mind on what you want to believe.
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post Nov 19 2016, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 19 2016, 07:11 PM)
I agree whole heartedly with u. But then, what can a typical urban rakyat do? We can at most join Bersih. We need those with powers to stand on our side, then only we can make the kampung ppl to vote against the ruling party. What can u, an urban rakyat do other than joining Bersih?

All of us fly to kampung and tell 1 by 1? the kampung ppl are still lacking in open media, all still depend on tv1, 2, and 3. Can we normal ppl provide them astro, internet? No.

In the end of the day, we need ppl with power to back us up. We need orang atas to back us up.

My stance is, yes, demonstration can help to a certain degree, but if we really want to make a change, we need those who has power from the inside to help us. Only demonstration can't do much. Unless demonstrate until no disband. Keep stay there, until the opposition leader come out and negotiate. Which we know wont happen, why? Because some ahem law will be activate and capture the leader and organizer or Bersih. Then the leader will have to ask Bersih comer to disband.
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You originally born in KL? Don't have kampung that you go back to during CNY?

I know some ppl born and bred here but majority of ppl living in urban areas are originally from kampung, when you go back there for CNY or relative wedding just spread as much as you can during those visits la, you don't need to do it often if everyone does it collectively.

Actually most kampung ppl now got astro but they only subscribe to awani which is no different from TV3. Internet also got but they don't get news about bersih etc in their feed, mainly coz they subscribe to different pages compared to urban people and some also dun have urban friends in their FB coz their urban friends assume they don't have Internet so didn't bother adding them.

My message is that we should reconnect with the rural people, when you go back talk to them about the country, ask if they got FB, TWITTER, INSTA, add them and continue speaking to them online.

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