I just got to know about this all-new Volkswagen Passat from a Paul Tan review. http://paultann.org/2016/11/01/b8-volkswag...ed-in-malaysia/ (delete n from paultann to access link)

Does anyone know the price range for all 3 models of the Passat? The high-spec 2.0 Passat comes with a wet dual-clutch while the lower models come with dry dual-clutch. Reviews look good for this D-segment. Not too sure if there are other issues that plague the existing Volkswagen models, or the after-sales service.

The Volkswagen Malaysia website has omitted the Passat from their page to make way for the new model. Apparently there is a Passat road show in Mid Valley megamall now as I write this. Has anyone seen the car in Mid valley?

Alternatively you might like this.. CarList.

Passat Review
Passat

Price expected to be between 150K to Close 200K.
If I were you I'll be patience for at least a year.

Lowest spec hope it will be close to Accord low spec about 140k..

With Jetta's aggressive pricing, all variations are lower than Honda Civic now.. (due to Jetta EEV incentive) .. Passat likely to be benefited from EEV too..
Oversea's Passat 1.8tsi FC rate at 14.2km/L, about 7L/100km, just meeting the EEV requirement for D-segment..

The only odd one out is the turbo 2.0 which might close to 200k..

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Nov 6 2016, 02:13 PM

does new passat bigger than before . old passat looks like as big as honda civic /altis interior

New Passat shorter, lower but wider..
Wheel base is longer than old one thus larger interior space

To put into perspective, The new Passat size is between Accord n Civic

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Nov 6 2016, 03:10 PM

Civic also eev

If you have the budget already, 2.0 turbo is the best choice as they comes with the gearbox with wet clutch.

and many much more goodies.

Yes.. tat makes civic looks expensive

if the reliability is good, i think no 1 would bother with the audi a4.

At Midvalley roadshow, it has the virtual cockpit as in the TT.
Car looks good in the flesh.

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I'm eyeing on this Passat too, for the 2.0 wet clutch variant, as the dry clutch DSG has problem in Malaysia eh?

Considering to get it by end of 2017.

Scare of problems avoid VW as easy as that. Nuff said

I am driving a Polo TSI close to 5 years now...
I would give the Jetta and Passat another 1 or 2 years of observation before deciding which on to get..
Jetta is very affordable given the price with amount of equipment while Passat's appearance is more striking..

New cars very unlikely to get heavy discount.. VW is known for low RV, just have to make sure to get as much discount as possible before buying 1..

Dry clutch is fine, regardless it's a Jetta or passat. My ckd twin charged Jetta running absolutely fine. I never had any issues with the car. It's stock, no modifications. Very happy with it with the sheer amount of power from it's 1.4tsi engine. Obviously I take good care of it. The latest civic looks more like a fastback than a sedan, futuristic, unconventional looking tail lamps. Mazda 3 has a long hood (looks good) but it's boot is very short, hence doesn't have a sedan look. Meanwhile the Jetta looks like a real sedan, proportionate look, both front and rear, it may look 'conventional' but it's an evergreen sedan design and it's rear doesn't slope upward like the preve with a chunky rear boot.

This post has been edited by abhipraaya: Nov 6 2016, 10:59 PM

i guess there won't be CC since passat come with 2.0?

Thanks for the information and photos. From the photos on website, the new Passat surely looks good, quite a bit better than the previous Passat model especially the back. The front also looks more elegant.

A close friend has the Jetta close to 5 years now. Perhaps his was the older model but he has got into some issues which include smoke coming out from his engine compartment in which the whole engine needs to be overhauled. Not too sure what was the actual problem but it was recommended that RON97 is used instead of 95 to minimise problems. Not sure if the current Volkswagen models need to be run in RON97 for better performance or to stay out of problems?

Another issue with his Jetta is whenever moving from standstill say from the traffic lights, you can feel a slight judder in the cabin. It was said to be an inherent character of the Volkswagen with this dual clutch. It's a different type of judder/vibration compared to the Ford Focus. You only feel a slight vibration in the cabin when the car moves from standstill, for a very brief period. After the car gets moving, there won't be any more vibration when the gears are upshifting. As with the Ford Focus, there is no vibration/shuddering when moving from standstill. The shuddering or (slight) jerking with the Ford Focus only happens when the gear is upshifting or downshifting ie. 1st gear to 2nd gear, or 2nd gear to 3rd gear.

Coming back to the new Passat. Not too sure on the advantages of DRY clutch vs. WET clutch. Any thoughts? It is unfortunate that the high-spec 1.8 does not come with a wet clutch and only the high-spec 2.0 comes with one. In terms of reliability and performance, I presume the wet clutch as a slight advantage? Any support or evidence on the superiority of wet clutch compared to the dry clutch?

Yes, a valid point that the resale value of Volkswagen is very low. Hence, for those who may not be in a hurry to get the car, it may be worthwhile to wait for the "sales" period. If I am not mistaken earlier this year or late last year the Jetta was sold at about RM80-90k and the Passat was sold at RM100k+/-.

I would be more concern on after-sales service. I read that one may have to book a service appointment about 1 month in advance as there are no slots if you book 1 or 2 weeks earlier. And VW is very strict with the mileage as they will consider the warranty of the vehicle to be void if the car's mileage exceeds the recommended mileage when the car is sent in late for service. Is this true? Other car manufacturers are more relaxed in this aspect. Ford actually has 1,000 km or 1 month buffer on top of the recommended mileage/period of sending the car in for service. The owner will not be forfeited if it is still within the buffer period.

I have just read one review which mentioned that although the handling of the new Passat is good, the Ford Mondeo and Mazda 6's handling is still better than the Passat. Though I presume handling is not the main consideration for most people who are considering a D-segment although it is desirable to have a good handling car. A D-segment is more toward family outings and providing more space for passengers sitting at the back seat, thus promoting higher levels of comfort when compared to smaller and more cramped spaces of a C or B segment.

On top of that, the looks, style and image of the Passat are a step higher than most Japanese which include the Camry, Accord and Teana. In other words, it is classier to be in a Passat than in any of these Japanese. Ditto the Mercedes/BMW vs Passat where the Merc and BMW are classier and more upmarket than the Passat.

There will be a facelift next year for the B8. This car have been in the market since 2014. Malaysia just about to launch a 2 years old model.

if it's cheaper than mondeo..might be a steal.

The Ford Mondeo has a rather significant discount now, slightly below RM180k so I don't think the new Passat 2.0 high-spec will be cheaper than the Mondeo. Other than the price, it also depends on several factors. One of my colleague has test driven the Mondeo three times this year being an avid fan (though he hasn't decided to buy it yet), and he had also test driven the previous generation Passat. He likes the handling and feel of the Mondeo better (than the Passat). ALso, he mentioned that the Mondeo is a very powerful car, more powerful than the Passat on paper. Not too sure if this new Mondeo would be even more powerful but it was reported that the handling of the Passat still cannot match the Mondeo, and the Mazda 6.

Apart from power and performance in handling, there is also the interior and exterior looks also which is personal. For me, I do think the VW Passat looks better than the Mondeo in both interior and exterior. I don't quite like the interior of the Mondeo. No doubt the quality and fit and finish inside the Mondeo are superb - the nice leather seats, the fit and finish on the door panels etc. But I don't quite like the design which looks outdated. The VW Passat's interior looks classier and more tasteful, more modern.

Though Mondeo looks and feels like a huge car. The Passat looks slightly smaller. Not too sure which vehicle is roomier inside the cabin. In the end, it depends on what the user is looking for. All cars have their pros and cons.

Any idea if the Passat here comes with the beige leather trim?

VW service buffer 1000km or 1 month..

With the diesel emissions debacle, slow and low volume models will be removed to preserve margin and capacity for higher selling models.

VW did consider having a special premium CC to take over the Phaeton and take on customers who want something a little more premium than the passat but don't want to pay for A4, C Class, or 3 Series money.

Your friend probably was one of the unlucky ones who kena piston crack issue, that's why need such a big project to repair.

Dry clutch for efficiency, wet clutch for better torque handling capacity with slight efficiency disadvantages. Google about it, a lot of technical knowledge to gain. Hard to write here in short.

Very unlikely, you see the history of all local VW launches, all balck interior.

u might have a point there. but since malaysian buyer always look for the brand..it will be a tough match up. but i think the best seller will be the 1.8 version.

The Mondeo would be harder to maintain as there are so few on the road so spare parts is probably not ex-stock. However there are plenty of Passats so parts for common issues will not be a problem.

Yes, that is certainly a valid point as I also tell my colleague the same thing. Not that he did not notice. There are hardly any Mondeo on the road. At least I have seen one or two Mondeos on the road for the past 1+ year, but my colleague did not see even a single Mondeo on the road yet, other than the one that is parked in the showroom. That is the main concern really, the rarity on the roads which means the response to this Mondeo is lukewarm.

Nowadays economy is bad and less people are buying stuff and spending money, more so changing cars. Sales are bad and my colleague got texts from the salesman on the reduction in price for the Mondeo. I told him not to commit as the price will be reduced even further with this kind of economy.

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latest mondeo less fun to drive compared to previos gen.

ditched dual clutch already..

For those worried about car value and mechatronics issue - then your only choice is the Passat 2.0.

It sports the same GTI mk7 engine and the same 6 speed wet clutch. The gadgets it has on it is equal or better than the GTI mk7 as well. For anyone who is uncertain about the 2.0 variant, they only need to look at the history of the GTI mk7 to get some feedback about the car.

The only downside for the 2.0 variant is the more expensive major servicing cost compared to the 1.8.

On a personal note, I feel they should have just gotten rid of the 1.8 and the 7 speed dry clutch and went with the 2.0 engine and 6 speeder instead for all the lineups. This would at least solve 2 issues - the drastic car depreciation and restore consumer confidence.

Think of the Passat 2.0 as the GTI but with a boot.

This post has been edited by zweimmk: Nov 8 2016, 08:25 AM

Careful. they will bring in the GTE version next year with EEV incentive and demolish the 380 version resale value LOL

virtual cockpit hnngghh

hmm passat thread, but talking about mondeo.

New passat looks ok, a good value for money for the cockpit quality and finish. Can't comment on driving since this car does not interest me.

Anyway for mondeo, lol even if they reduce it to 130k, most people will still buy a 2.0 accord/camry/japs over this crap mondeo.

joking or reliable source?

Beige interiors are rather rare... they are only available on very few interior trims, sadly. I also prefer a beige interior, but not necessarily beige/white seats (because they do get dirty/colored easily... even by wearing jeans). Dark grey is much easier to maintain. Then again... if they preview the Passat with that car, it might have that interior...?

Most Malaysians don't know about wet clutch dry clutch, for them all DSG are scary. So yes, the 2.0 may be more reliable, but will second hand buyers buy it?

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 9 2016, 03:24 AM

Many are aware of the more reliable wet clutch now. The 2nd hand value of the GTI is much stronger than all the dry clutch variants and yes, there is a demand.

What's the expected 3 years second hand value of a Passat in terms of percentage depreciation? Possible to buy at 50% of the new price in 3 years?

How much to allocate to maintain a wet clutch Passat a year which is out of warranty?

The 7 speeders drop price a lot primarily due to 2 factors.

1 - reliability issue
2 - the recent firesale by VGM before porsche salzburg took over - both owners and 2nd hand dealers are reeling by their throw price tactic to shed inventory

So yes, it's possible to purchase a car at 50% of the new price within 3 to 4 years.

Wet clutch will cost more, not sure how much more. Basic maintenance is sufficient unless you have been modding the car then wear and tear will surely be high.

For the new passat, i expect the 1.8L variants to drop in price quite drastically within the first 3 years. Don't be surprised if they fire sale the 1.8L variant early if sales do not meet expectation.
For the 2.0 passat, discounts would be like the gti, very very limited.

This car looks good man.

There are talks here in this thread about the Passat 2.0 being a GTI without a boot. In other words, this remark is implying that the Passat 2.0 is basically a GTI hatchback. Sure or not? No doubt the engine or all electronics may be based on the GTI but how about the suspension and steering tuning? There are reviews that the handling of this car cannot match the Mondeo and Mazda 6, and there is a "disconnected" feel with this car as mentioned in one motor review.

Although this car may have good handling for a D-segment, I suppose by claiming that it has the performance of the GTI is perhaps stretching it a bit too far? THe power in acceleration ie. 0-100 km/h may be close to the GTI but handling and driving dynamics it is surely not a GTI hot hatch I reckon?

I agree, for the past 3 years, I have seen not more than 10 mondeo on the road. Morever, last time when sending my mondeo for service, hardly seen any other mondeo there as well, but there were two ford mustang.

The passat itself is a nice car, couple with VW new 5 years nanufacturing warranty, it would be an attractive package. Now if only VW can give 5 years free service as Volvo and BMW....

Another car in the same league is Infinity Q50 GT 2.0 turbo with enough power to satisfy. 0-100 km/h claimed 7.2 sec. Pricey at RM240K but there should be good discount. Japanese reliability but spare parts may be as worrying as Mondeo with so few cars on the road.

I haven't seen any mondeo in penang at all before.
My guess it is probably 2 digit sales

Obviously it will not beat the GTI in handling. It's a heavier car, and the target audience is those ferrying family. My guess based on the current Passat B7 is that it is tuned for composure at high speed highway driving but not twisty roads.
The Passat has a very stiff and rigid chassis , equivalent to the E class and 3 series so my guess if you fit stiffer springs and anti roll bars, it will handle just as well as the mondeo and mazda 6.

Yes, my impressions as well. The Passat is a mid-sized D-segment sedan for the family, not exactly a fun machine such as the GTI for some college kids or speedsters to spin around town. Certainly true that the Passat will be suitable for families with the kids sitting at the back seat. I am well aware that the German cars are good performers on the highways, stability at high speed. I would think that the Passat would be rock solid when cruising on the highways at speeds that are significantly higher than our 110 km/h speed limit. Coupled by the luxurious interior and elegant exterior, I think this new B8 model will win some fans. It's just the pricing (apart from after-sales) that will determine if it will sell like hot cakes.

Mh... but isn't that also because zoom zoom? People who are into the Golf GTI don't have too many alternatives, and they may not be the most rational people in the first place.

The Passat is a heavier car, and it is designed for comfort. Calling it a GTI with boot is stretching things... it might be fast, sort of, but it's more for driving fast on the highway.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 10 2016, 04:18 AM

Skoda Octavia vRS IS the Golf GTI with boot

And Audi S3 sedan = Golf R with boot

People who are into the Golf GTI are performance enthusiasts. Or why buy the GTI in the first place?

Yes, the Passat is indeed the heavier car but it sports the same exact engine from the GTI with the same horsepower and gearbox. There's even the R line variant which sports the same R engine and complete with 4motion in the Passat that is currently on sale in Deutchland.

But you are right, it is indeed a longer car so it would not handle as well as the GTI on a winding road but it certainly would not lack the power.

What's the 0-100km/h of the B8 Passat 2.0?

you can see more mustang on the road than modeo

6.7s

the pricing will be from rm160k-199k

Very impressive! It's definitely on my shortlist now.

It's not all about handling. Being able to tapau other cars at traffic lights and overtake quickly on a straight road is important also, no?

Outlook wise the Golf GTi is for young adults, the Passat is for middle-agers and older.

A check with Carbase.my shows that second hand value the Golf GTi Mk7 is a bit above 50% of new value which is quite typical of Conti cars. No extra good second hand value here compared to other Contis. Of course don't compare value with Passat because resale value was slashed when it was CKD'ed.

In actual fact a used Passat may be a safer buy than a Golf GTi which has probably been driven hard by performance junkies.

This post has been edited by kluseng: Nov 11 2016, 03:39 PM

I had a look on passat b8 at showroom just now. It looked better in flesh. Almost like a CC, at least for the 2.0 maybe because of the big rims. My comments from showroom impression are:-
Pros : Almost as roomy as the camry/accord.
Enormous trunk.
Seats felt really good with good positioning.
Features like electronic boot, led instead of bulb on the reading &
vanity light, massage driver seat are like upper class
already.
Looks like a coupe which is very sleek. Atleast for the 2.0.

Cons : The door thunk was not as solid as the golf cbu that ive sampled
maybe because it's a 'ckd' (stereotyping) but still acceptable but i was
expecting it to be better considering it's newer than the golf.
No blind spot monitoring considering mazda 6 & camry have it
already in this class.
No automatic braking but Lane Assist which should be atleast other
way around which is more useful.
Rear lamp is the cheaper unit. Not the full LED unit.
Touch screen infotainment not the top unit 8' inch. We only get 6.5'
which felt small in this car.
Been told that the price is around 205k include ins. I'm expecting it to
be cheaper considering ckd, eev incentives, vw 10 years anniv, getting
people to trust the brand again etc.



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I don't understand the lack of automatic braking, cause it also comes with adaptive cruise control and isn't expensive. Very useful in Malaysia, cause in traffic jams the car will take care of everything. Just push a button on the wheel and the car gets going again after a full stop.

As for the LED interior lights... I have those in my Golf. The ambient ones are nice... gimmicky, but nice. But the ceiling ones are pretty dim... dimmer than the stock warm white light bulbs in cheaper Golfs.

The bigger HU is very expensive. Around RM 10k I believe. (Adaptive Cruise Control is around 2k). And the main advantage is navigation, which may not work so well in Malaysia.

This look big. Are you sure its not 8"?

Wow very expensive HU. But the bigger do look good with this car dashboard size.

There r other bigger screen. Like one in latest GTi. That one look awesome and slot perfectly at the Dashboard

Let just say we are fortunate enough that they don't replace it with an after market Chinese made HU like Hyundai/Kia.

On a Comfortline Passat the 6.5" unit as seen on the photo costs RM 1555. GPS for that unit is another RM 2656. Instead, you could get the 8" Discover Pro (same arrangement, same buttons, but the screen goes right up to the buttons and they are a bit further away), which is RM 11058 and already includes GPS. IMHO the best choice for Malaysia would be the 6.5" HU, but instead of GPS they should have picked App Connect and Media Control. Lets you control the HU from your tablet, and lets you use Android Auto etc. Costs RM 1340, or RM 981 without the tablet stuff. The leftover money could be invested in the 11 speaker Dynaudio sound system for RM 6342, adjustable suspension for RM 5744, raised ride height for RM 2896 (15 mm higher, good for those bad Malaysian roads), 360° GTA style camera from above the car for RM 4164. Heads-up display is RM 2704, while that awesome digital dashboard is RM 3183. LED headlights are RM 5217, while the matrix LED option is RM 10268. But I have the HID version of that (which probably isn't as good), and it's awesome. I love it. The options list on Comfortline Passats is 107 items long.

One thing they really should have included is Adaptive Cruise Control for only RM 2154! It's mind boggling that they didn't include that option, given the other way too expensive kit they've included that's just gimmicky and pointless. Especially in combination with DSG it's a great feature. Prevents accidents/lessens accidents, and makes driving just so much more comfortable. Plus the competitors don't have it.

Definitely buy this over if let me choose between mazda6 and passat. Just for pricing comparison

I would take the 199k anytime because its 6speed wet clutch is much more stable

The major let down is after sales service provided by VW, you know them well. Had Horrible experience

Just stumbled upon this video on the Passat B8, though this one is diesel. The 0-100km/h acceleration is brutal, achieving a blistering 5.92s. Watching the needle sprinting up rapidly on the speedometer is quite amazing. On top of that, the acceleration to 200 km/h is uniformly quick up to 240 km/h where it almost hits the plateau.

I wonder if there will be a similar video on the high-spec Passat B8 2.0 petrol that we are getting over here.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Nov 13 2016, 10:06 AM

How did u know the prices?

Those aren't options for Malaysian market but options for German market.

Got car to test drive alredi ?

nope. only after 16th

Exactly. It seems to me like the cars in Malaysia are based on German specs, VWM then picks the options they think make sense in Malaysia. They probably won't pay the full price, but still.

Sadly Malaysians aren't given the choice.

Adaptive cruise control is expensive and actually fairly complicated to implement if you've actually seen how they retrofit the damn thing. Granted, it won't be hard at all in the factory but there are quite a bit of components and parts that come with this feature. I would definitely have loved to see it for sure but with the weak ringgit, it was inevitable that some features would be cut.

They select features based on what is high on most Malaysian's priority list and wants.

Would you want adaptive cruise control?

I quoted from the price list... it's RM 2154 for adaptive cruise control. VWM is probably going to pay less for it. And they've opted for options that make less sense than that. With people being so annoyed of traffic jams, don't you think a car that accelerates and brakes by itself would sell like hot cakes?

On a Golf at least the driver fatigue warning system is something like RM 1500, and all it does is tell you you're tired. Which it doesn't, because I have the feature, I have it activated, and it only ever reminded me that I'm tired when I was fully awake. On the other hand, those times where I AM tired...? Nope. Never alerted me. It's as pointless as it can be, and it doesn't work. Also, those leather seats are several thousand Euros probably, and what's the point of those? Burn your ass? The powered boot lid (annoyingly slow, probably) is IIRC also twice as expensive as the adaptive cruise control.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 14 2016, 07:59 AM

Yes I would like to have the ACC definitely but I don't think it is that cheap. I think being CKD, many of the more advance features are brought in from other countries. If you factor in the cost of transport and exchange rates, the price should be a lot higher than what you list.

The driver fatigue warning system is a waste of time. I rather they give me something else than that nonsense. I agree, it doesn't work. It never comes on even when I was starting to feel the weariness.

The things I want in the car are as follows

2.0 GTI engine (220Ps)
6 or 7 speed WET clutch
LED headlights or HID is fine
Electric folding mirrors
Adaptive Cruise Control
Auto Air conditioning 3 zones
17 or 18 inch wheels


Don't really care much about the DCC or electric chairs or electric boot or the radio player that much. Lane departure warning and blind spot monitoring system or reverse camera I can do without as well

Blind spot monitoring is quite useful and reverse camera is very useful. Once you are used to reverse camera you definitely want it in your next car. It gives you a field of view which is much better than your rear view mirror and you can depend on it instead of wondering how far to reverse.

Why do you need auto air conditioning 3 zones especially at Malaysia's hot weather. Even with my dual zone, I just set them to be the same.

people like me that constantly drive 10 year old vehicle is good enough with mirror

Side note: IMO, I am those people that consider auto a/c is rather useless, same goes to reverse cam.

Why isn't Skoda here? CKD-ed at the same price it would sell much better than the Passat, the new Kodiaq too...

If the driver fatigue warning worked... and especially alerts me when I did fall asleep, then yeah, why not. But it doesn't.

I would want the Dynamic Light Assist... big fan of it, wouldn't want a car without. High beam without blinding others is just sooooooo good. No complaints that I can't see anything at night.

DCC... for more comfort. I wish my Golf was more comfortable... I would pretty much set the DCC to comfort and forget about it. Maybe occasionally set it to sport for twisty roads, but other than that? I had some rental cars with reverse camera, and it's really nice. The VW parking sensors with visual aid are nice too, but I wouldn't mind a reverse camera.

Lane departure warning is much more than the name implies... it steers itself. It's more relaxed to drive with it, and besides it has saved me a few times where I would have left the road without it. I can get very tired very suddenly, out of nowhere, and there isn't always somewhere where I can rest. Absolute must have for me. Plus in the Golf 7 facelift ACC + LDW = it drives itself in traffic jams up to 60 km/h.

Where is the CKD kit coming from? Probably they are sending it from Germany? Might as well add in the box with the ACC sensor. Retrofitting is hard, sure, but they are assembling the car anyway. Does it make assembly a bit harder? I suppose, but nothing they can't manage. Btw., there are shops that sell you all the components to retrofit the system. It's not even that expensive, excluding workmanship.

Blind spot monitoring would be useful too.

Different people like different temperatures. I'm good with 22°C usually, my mother prefers 19°C. So when we drive together there's always some fighting over the temperature... thanks to dual zone aircon that problem is solved.

They are. Or were. No one bought them. Malaysians are too much into image...

The temperature in the cabin will be the same as there's no partition , what change is the air temperature from the air cond vent.
But why pay more for some useless feature when you can just slow down the air blower by adjusting the outlet for your side.
Seriously how many people who have dual air-cond really uses it especially here in Malaysia.

I agree. Dual zone air-con in a small enclosed space without partition is just nonsense.

If the prices you have quoted are not applicable to Malaysia, why publish them here. If you want to mention those prices, it is appropriate that you mention where did you obtain these prices from. If the prices are taken from another country and converted to Malaysian ringgit, then put a disclaimer. Otherwise you are just causing confusion.

This post has been edited by Dwango: Nov 15 2016, 12:19 PM

All this talk about the air-cond, this dual air-cond actually works, well, partially although not fully. It will be more effective with the front passengers but worthless for people sitting at the rear seat. You can actually have HOT air blowing at you (yes, hot air and not normal temperature air) if you set the temperature to high temperatures with certain cars. It's like a heater air blower. The hot air can blow to the driver's side while cold air can blow to the passenger side as the distance from the air cond vents to the passengers sitting at the front is short. However, for those sitting at the back seat, the dual air-cond feature will not be too useful as the cold and hot air would have mixed up together once the air reached the rear portion.

Apologies. Actually I forgot the car is CKD.

Anyway, those are the prices that a customer in Germany has to pay to get these options, excluding any discounts that the dealer may give customers (which is something like 10-15% on the car? Maybe more). Don't you think that VWM is getting better prices?

There's a company selling everything you need to upgrade to ACC on the B8... the kit costs around RM 4700, but you have to consider that they need to get the parts as spare parts, which are more expensive than what they cost when they get installed when making the car, and they need to supply parts that already exist on the car, like parts of the front bumper etc. So you'll have to pay for it twice, once when getting the car and once to upgrade.

I checked on ebay and various sites. The kit alone will cost well over RM4000 if you buy from sellers direct, that price does not include shipping, and does not including duties. But that's only one part of the story, you still need to pay for the labor charges as well as the programming charges. Which is why retrofitting adaptive cruise control/self park/lane departure warning will cost around RM10000+ because they are part of the system and there are many other accessories which needs to be bought and fixed in order for the entirety to work. I will stress again, this is quite a labor intensive job - chairs and carpet will need to be removed, the dashboard possibly as well, and the wiring will need to be rerouted and after all that is done, it needs to be programmed and tested.

Of course, if this was done in the factory, it will be a lot easier but still doesn't change the fact that different parts will need to be brought in (subject to duties) and additional labor will be required.

Btw, VWPCM might not get it any cheaper because they conduct their purchases in USD. They also need to account for the transport cost and the weak ringgit isn't helping anyone.

All European turbo cars (not sure about Civic turbo) are recommended to run RON97 due to the emissions standard they are designed for (Euro 5 or 6). Currently, the fuel quality in Malaysia for RON95 is Euro 2M and RON97 is Euro 4M respectively. So, the closest fuel to the designed standard is RON97, and don't trust those salesman telling you RON95 is okay. Yes, octane-wise RON95 is okay but quality of fuel is Euro 2M.

Similarly, you can see a lot of clean diesel selling in Malaysia (Mazda CX5 FL diesel, Mercedes E300 Blutech Hybrid, etc.) all required to use the blue nozzle Euro 5 diesel as they are designed for Euro 5 or 6 emissions standarf. Old black nozzle diesel is Euro 2M. Using lower quality fuel will cause excessive soothing in engines and will deteriorate the engine performance over time, and excessive black smoke from exhaust.

the interior looks and feels great

Service schedule requirements:

Service Intervals – Either every 15,000km, or within 12 months.

Grace Period Allowance – Either an additional 1,500km, or up to 30 days.

Yeah, but you're paying double if buying the kit...

I don't think you need to remove chairs and carpet... the front bumper needs to be changed, and you need to wire things up. You need the mid level dashboard AFAIK, and at least the 6.5" screen. Things like that.

I'm saying that at least on the Highline, possibly on the Comfortline they should have ACC as one of the options. And that means buying the parts in bulk. Even if it isn't 2k, even if it is 4k or so... wouldn't that be worth it? Especially given that the VW system works exceptionally well. I was considering a Honda Civic when buying my Golf, more affordable and also not too bad, but during research people complained about the Civic slamming the brakes hard when approaching a bridge. And other wrong alerts. Not having those on the VW system... especially nothing dangerous.

Got a rumor saying lowest spec will be RM169k and highest (2.0) will be RM189k, anyone heard of this? But then again price will be revealed reeaaaal soon

There's a site that lists quite a bit of details about what needs to be done when you retrofit. At the very least, you will need to remove the carpets and part of the dashboard removed. The sheer number of wires involved is also mind boggling.

http://jimmy-cbx.blogspot.my/p/passat-everything.html

It covers just about everything. There's also a full golf 7 section about what can or cannot be done. Knock yourself out, the sky is the limit here if you have the budget.

In Malaysia, all options are selected for you. There are no options which you can pick unless you talk to the dealer about a custom version, and for those cases, the price becomes staggering.
It's entirely possible to get a 4motion Passat with Golf R engine if you know the channels to approach, the question is - are you willing to pay those prices?

I read that estimated price range will be from RM160,000 to RM199,000.00.
Will know very soon (supose today).

This post has been edited by stasio: Nov 16 2016, 11:03 AM

Some new info from VW:

http://www.volkswagen.com.my/en/models/the...s.html#/hl=cat2
http://www.volkswagen.com.my/en/models/the...rice-specs.html

Edit:
Highline top speed 246 km/h.... 0-100 kph 6.7s....

Edit:

The Passat 1.8L TSI Trendline From RM159,990.00

The Passat 1.8L TSI Comfortline From RM179,990.00

The Passat 2.0L TSI Highline From RM198,990.00

5 years manufacturer warranty + 5 years free service for purchase in 2016

This post has been edited by stasio: Nov 16 2016, 06:38 PM

I wonder how you managed to find the links to the Passat as the VW website does not show these links. Anyway, the Passat 2.0 Highline is certainly very tempting. 0-100 km/h at below 7.0s, that's a very fast car. Owners of the previous generation Passat would be disheartened, not only with the performance but the bad resale value no thanks to VW salesmen in throwing the prices like crazy during the sales period.

Specs and performance looks good. Now only have to wait for the price to come down.


This post has been edited by Ginny88: Nov 16 2016, 08:39 PM

Yup. i think the price is still a bit expensive considering how much issues this brand had for our market. Most of the potential buyers surely from the d segment car not the compact luxury car like the c class or 3er or A4 because of these trio has better brand image. Somemore judging from my initial impression on showroom last week, i still think those trio offer a better quality car such as interior materials & the feel of the switchgears but if compare with the d-segment, i must say the b8 is definitely on top. If they were to attract buyers, they should've put a more attractive price.

I feel they should have priced the B8 2.0 at about 170k to 180k. That would have made the price extremely enticing. There's currently nothing in the market that can actually match the performance of the 2.0. and kit wise, it quite up there with the luxury marque.

The closest rival in terms of size and specs would be the 320i/A4 B9/C200. If it was priced at 175k - 180k, the gap would have been much wider and thus more appealing for those who wants luxury but not willing to pay over 200k for the car. At 198k, it loses quite of a bit of the advantage it commands. Most of the luxury entry level sedan is priced around 238k to 250k region.

Agreed, the sweet spot should've been about 185k with insurance, that would really steers clear from the Jap D segment rival.
With 198k, after insurance 200k+, it gets people to consider the 3 series, C class, A4, especially when these have the year end discount / promotion.

The 5 inch touch screen display in the 1.8 variant is ridiculously small, it's even smaller than most modern smartphones now

hermm... they priced the Vento and Jetta to compete with the Japanese rivals, but priced the Passat close to the their fellow German rivals.

The Japanese must be laughing right now...

At RM200K the B8 Passat Highline is neither here nor there. It is considerably cheaper than the luxury German makes like 320i, C200 and A4 but potential buyers of luxury makes aren't looking at Passat. For those looking at Jap D-segments the Passat is priced at the top end. Its specs and performance are good but concerns about reliability and low RV are not countered with an attractive discount. Hence the Passat will only attract those who value performance above all else. Others will go for safer choices like 2.4L/2.5L Camry, Accord, Teena and Mazda 6.

"Volkswagen To Maintain Current Prices; Heavy Discounts To Stop"....

http://www.carlist.my/news/volkswagen-main...unts-stop/42940