thanks for the details ... hmmm got the idea ..

btw .. how good is Alphacool NexXxoS Xtreme I Radiator - Rev. 2 ??

Can't find review over internet ... and what u guys think about the performance

can i use air pump to blow out water from my wc kit for draining it ar???
my setup is very messy which makes it hard for me to drain it... any idea???

I wouldn't recommend it as it may cause some damage to the seals and moving parts of the WC component. I always use good old gravity and a bathroom to drain my waterout

i'm awaiting stock for the Xtreme III (3x120mm). the build quality is similar to the cool-trek's, which i can assure you is better than swiftech rads. according to my sources, it performs well. i'm guessing one notch below thermochill PA's for low airflow performance perhaps.
however, beware of cheap imitations with too good to be true prices. the worse case of china copy china.

This post has been edited by MetalZone: Oct 8 2007, 03:39 AM

ic .. coz I was thinking of getting one of those to replace my current crappy swiftech MCR220Q ..

I have problem with mounting the fans properly as the screw holes of the rad just not identical between one another ..

Some could be screwed properly with the supplied screws while some can't ... so thinking to get that rad and mount it inside the case ...

I hope the single rad could beat swiftech dual rad... if not as long as doesn't fall far ...

If only I could just do some simple mod for water tube pass through holes on my new case .. It would save me the hassle of keeping the single rad inside the case ....

btw can the inlet and outlet of Swiftech Micro reservoir being reverse mounted ..

would that effect the performance.. ??

hope anyone could clear my Qs...

This post has been edited by Doom: Oct 12 2007, 04:59 PM

i got the same problem fitting the fans to the swiftech rads... end up using cable tie...

nope, on this generation of flat tubed radiators, a 2x120 will still be better than a 1x120. even a thermochill PA120.1 (1x120) can't beat a swiftech MCR220 (2x120), although a thermochill PA120.2 (2x120) can equal an MCR320 (3x120).
the above assumption is assuming there is sufficient heat load. with you having a CPU and GPU block, a single 120 is not going to be enough.

about the reservoir, technically it will work, however there are downsides. the flap inside the reservoir will be pretty much devoid of it's purpose, so just make sure there is sufficient water inside the res. the reason why outlets are always placed below OR equal height to the inlets is so that air bubbles coming out of the loop(flowing into the res from the inlet) don't get sucked back into the outlet(which goes back to the pump). so if you have the outlet above the inlet, bleeding the system will take longer (how much longer is subjective though).


about the screw misalignment, quite a number radiators suffer from this problem, and swiftech is no exception. higher quality radiators like the cool-trek, alphacool, thermochill's are much better although it's no 100% guarantee that all screw holes are perfectly aligned due to the way they are made.

hmm ic ic ..

I was worry with the bubbles generated within the loop due to lack of fluid ...
reservoir not filled up.. .

Seems like I got not choice to go single rad coz there's no way to mod without tool..

As for the rad screw hole .... is there any other solution ?

coz I see pretty much all those wc rig setup in hardforum or bit tech has got all the screws installed ...

Thanks for the explanation ... I've been waiting for ur reply ...

hahahah u are the master here .. .

theres nothing much that can be done if the screw hole is misaligned. while i was doing my friend's rig, the swiftech MCR320 had one screw on each end that was misaligned to the top radiator blowhole/intake that I had made. I have to screw in every screw otherwise it would look weird so I had no choice but to re-drill the hole and tap the threads again although it was quite a crude job. but at least after the screw is in, you can't tell what it looks like underneath.

lucky for him I have 2 on each corner and each side .. both the front and back of the rad.. .

makes me almost can't mount fans properly .... one of the side only got 1 screw can be mounted...

New radiator, new pump, new res, but still the old zalman block Now waiting for fuzion lol



I was really surprised at how small the DDC is when I first got it... a lot smaller than the Eheim 1048 but it's still a lot more powerful
size comparison


This post has been edited by max_87: Oct 22 2007, 12:21 PM

bro, is ok to put rad outside my case while i'am preparing to mod my case ?
btw, how much it take if we put the 12 fan at radiator ? (cm)
coz i see there is a quite long distance between top side case and my PSU.

salam,

what are you trying to ask my friend .. the distance could only be measured by urself coz different setup required own specific length ..

besides the term 'mod' would not be suitable to be use in this scenario ..

if ur mod refer to setting up the hardwares inside, it should be fine but there's risk things might falls..

if ur mod refer to cut and paint ur case, then having the rad outside is not a good practice.

This post has been edited by Doom: Oct 26 2007, 10:15 PM

@Doom :haaa...sory. I clicked wrong button. ya ya ya..ic

My case is antec P160. I am planning to get WC setup from MTZ. But i know that i must mod my top side panel. Well i dont have any skill to do it. That's why i am asking put rad outside case. Anw, what is the risk ? what think can cause fail WC setup?


i am asking if i put fan such as san ace at Cool-trek DP1202 what it's going to take the measure ? coz there is quite free space between my psu tagan U25 600W and top side antec P160. but, i'm not measure yet

salam,

Hmm there won't be much risk except following:

Drop, Got bumped, bent the fins...

But it all depend how u setup it outside of a case .. .some people drill for holes at the top panel to secure the rad outside of the case .. it works but doesn't looks nice and u would need a long screws to do so ...

It could be fit into your case at the top panel but like u said have to mod it ..

I estimated the fan with rad should be 25mm+35mm..

It could fit but really to tight for air to flow through ... unless u mount it half of it within the rom slot.

If u are going to put the rad on top ... make sure when u filling the coolant .. tilt the case a bit to the right and left to make sure all the air trapped within the rad could be pushed out to achieve steady state.

The size of the radiator varies between different models...

Swiftech MCR220-QP: 284mm long x 128mm wide x 34mm thick

Cool-Trek DP1202: 303mm long x 126mm wide x 46mm thick

120mm fans typically come in two thickness, 25mm and 38mm. Regular case fans and silent fans are typically 25mm thick.

Lets say your rad is 46mm thick, and your fan is 25mm thick, it would total up to 71mm.

I think either way it would fit if the rad is installed from ROM slot extend to before PSU area.. that would be easily work with and has more airflow ..

provided the intake within the case is brilliant ...

Well that's often the most feasible solution with top mounted radiators. But you probably won't be able to use the top three 5.25" bays minimum except for short devices.

I managed to squeeze a 3x120mm rad in my friend's TT shark above the PSU. pretty much extended from the front to the back of the case, and used the PSU's 120mm fan to suck air thru the rad, and i had to trim 5mm off one of the fans. (don't debate the effectiveness it isn't the optimum way cooling wise but it's was the only possible way to have everything fully internal)

yah ... which isn't easy to get it done cos lots of precise cutting is needed ...

I think I would ended up with another case this time and mount the rad out side .. coz A05 run of stock here ..

anyway would be getting a few other parts this time ... to complete the setup ...

guys, i'm thinking of getting CM Aquagate. Can u stated down the proz and cons of this wc system. Can i mount this water cooling system in C2D and P4 478 mobo ?