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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Nov 2 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 2 2016, 03:30 PM)
but has rhb islamic bond fund ever failed in hitting predicted returns? that's the question.
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I think once in the early years when a bond defaulted. However with 10 years worth of data, I strongly believed in this fund. Some more everything is Shariah nowadays. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 2 2016, 03:30 PM)
but has rhb islamic bond fund ever failed in hitting predicted returns? that's the question.
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To complicate the matter, please also look at Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund ? Performs better than rhb Islamic bond right ? blink.gif
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QUOTE(moonflower89 @ Nov 2 2016, 03:01 PM)
Hi guys,

sorry noobie here, was just wondering if the rhb cash management 2 is capital guaranteed? I was looking through their FAQ and this is what i get:-
"The money invested into the Cash Management Fund is deposited with several banks’ deposits issued by financial institutions in Malaysia."
While I'm aware that anything that involves investment normally is not capital guaranteed but in this case, any exceptions?

Thanks in advance!
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from the prospectus...
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...nceMYOSKCMF.pdf



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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 2 2016, 03:34 PM)
To complicate the matter, please also look at Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund ? Performs better than rhb Islamic bond right ?  blink.gif
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post Nov 2 2016, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 2 2016, 02:44 PM)
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used the fsm fund selection tool and between

Anita.
Rhb Islamic
Rhb bond

Rhb Islamic topped all three funds across the board.

if so why is Anita mostly recommended by the vets here?
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Extreme low 3 yrs annualized volatility of 1.05
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what is the purpose of selecting a BOND fund?
just so that it has a place in the portfolio? people have some, so should i have too?
or it is to reduce the volatility of the portfolio and not so much of its returns?..for the FI 1~2% extra ROI variance can be easily make the 3yrs annualised volatility % to be higher by 70~80%....
if want more chances of ROI and don't care abt volatility and a BOND fund for (dia ada, saya pun mahu FI asset class)...try ATR or EMBF

just wondering...

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post Nov 2 2016, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 2 2016, 03:33 PM)
I think once in the early years when a bond defaulted. However with 10 years worth of data, I strongly believed in this fund. Some more everything is Shariah nowadays.  smile.gif
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Anita also in Islamic money market and Sukuk...
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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 2 2016, 03:44 PM)
what is the purpose of selecting a BOND fund?
just so that it has a place in the portfolio? people have some, so should i have too?
or it is to reduce the volatility of the portfolio and not so much of its returns?..for the FI 1~2% extra ROI variance can be easily make the 3yrs annualised volatility % to be higher by 70~80%....

just wondering...
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My investment portfolio only has RHB EBMF this bond fund (excluding Asnita)

I invest in this bond fund is also for geographic diversification (simply because the equity counterpart doesn't suit my allocation)
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Nov 2 2016, 03:47 PM)
Anita also in Islamic money market and Sukuk...
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RHB islamic is older than Anita.
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Hi guys, any good PRS fund to invest?

I saw Kenanga PRS fund did well in the past
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Nov 2 2016, 04:02 PM)
Hi guys, any good PRS fund to invest?

I saw Kenanga PRS fund did well in the past
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hmm.gif Usual disclaimer:
Investment involves risk.
The price of securities may go down as well as up, and under certain circumstances an investor may sustain a total or substantial loss of investment.
Past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund.
Investors should read the relevant fund's prospectus for details before making any investment decision.
An Investor should make an appraisal of the risks involved in investing in these products and should consult their own independent and professional advisors, to ensure that any decision made is suitable with regards to their circumstances and financial position.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 2 2016, 04:03 PM)
Summary of ASW2020 Annual Report 2016

- 4,004 unitholders holding 500,001 units & above (1,582,271 units average per person)

- 604,569 unitholders hold less than 5k units (1,079 units average per person)

- top 2 ASW holding is Maybank & Public Bank (7.26 & 6.73 respectively)

- Unit in Circulation - 18,193,100,000

- Fund size - 21,983,000,000

- Dividend Tax Exempt till 2026 rclxms.gif

- c/fwd income - 53,278,253
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The above is a post from Nexona which he posted at ASNB thread. Friend Rexona, tumpang your post sekejap ok?

Fund size = MYR 21.983 B
Units in circulation = 18.193 B

NAV = Fund size / units in circulation = MYR 1.21 per unit.

However, the NAV is fixed at MYR 1.00.

Lets say they declare 7cts dividend (follow historical trend). That means you get MYR 1.07 per unit. What happened to the remaining 14cts. Are you entitled to it? Mana perginya MYR 4.2B 14 sen itu? hmm.gif

Xuzen

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 2 2016, 03:34 PM)
To complicate the matter, please also look at Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund ? Performs better than rhb Islamic bond right ?  blink.gif
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Different geographical area la, Select Bond is asian bond although it's quite heavy in Malaysia. But if you compare its volatility is very impressive actually

QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 2 2016, 04:29 PM)
The above is a post from Nexona which he posted at ASNB thread. Friend Rexona, tumpang your post sekejap ok?

Fund size = MYR 21.983 B
Units in circulation = 18.193 B

NAV = Fund size / units in circulation = MYR 1.21 per unit.

However, the NAV is fixed at MYR 1.00.

Lets say they declare 7cts dividend (follow historical trend). That means you get MYR 1.07 per unit. What happened to the remaining 14cts. Are you entitled to it? Mana perginya MYR 4.2B 14 sen itu? hmm.gif

Xuzen
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Nola boss, RM21.983b is approved fund size, quite a meaningless number actually. Same as your authorised share cap. It's very different from fund size in VP fund context
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 2 2016, 04:29 PM)
The above is a post from Nexona which he posted at ASNB thread. Friend Rexona, tumpang your post sekejap ok?

Fund size = MYR 21.983 B
Units in circulation = 18.193 B

NAV = Fund size / units in circulation = MYR 1.21 per unit.

However, the NAV is fixed at MYR 1.00.

Lets say they declare 7cts dividend (follow historical trend). That means you get MYR 1.07 per unit. What happened to the remaining 14cts. Are you entitled to it? Mana perginya MYR 4.2B 14 sen itu? hmm.gif

Xuzen
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Not to start a fight, become part of the reserve. When will reserve be used?
(i) to topup dividend declared so one will always get 6.xx% p.a
(ii) to pop up the NAV so it's always RM1.00

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From insider who said that's how they work (few months thread back)

So are you entitled to the reserves?
- Yes when Malaysia economy is bad, everyone getting (-) returns the holder will still get (+) returns.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 2 2016, 05:08 PM)
Not to start a fight, become part of the reserve. When will reserve be used?
(i) to topup dividend declared so one will always get 6.xx% p.a
(ii) to pop up the NAV so it's always RM1.00

Source:
From insider who said that's how they work (few months thread back)

So are you entitled to the reserves?
- Yes when Malaysia economy is bad, everyone getting (-) returns the holder will still get (+) returns.
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Would you be able to find back and quote that post? smile.gif

Interested to know smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 2 2016, 05:08 PM)
Not to start a fight, become part of the reserve. When will reserve be used?
(i) to topup dividend declared so one will always get 6.xx% p.a
(ii) to pop up the NAV so it's always RM1.00

Source:
From insider who said that's how they work (few months thread back)

So are you entitled to the reserves?
- Yes when Malaysia economy is bad, everyone getting (-) returns the holder will still get (+) returns.
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Like that also can ? Reserve is not a fair system for people who enter the market at different time !
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post Nov 2 2016, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 2 2016, 05:18 PM)
Like that also can ? Reserve is not a fair system for people who enter the market at different time !
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LOL, fairness is not an important consideration for most people

But let's not encourage our fren to come kecoh again, I'm getting so tired of his comments. Tak habis-habis

My stance is simple

Make informed decision. If after you are aware of how things work for each product, then whatever you decide you can stick to it

I have a problem when people are not informed and hence I will try to show the facts for each product, be it good or bad
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Nov 2 2016, 05:18 PM)
Like that also can ? Reserve is not a fair system for people who enter the market at different time !
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Forgive and correct me if I spoke something stupid sweat.gif

But doesn't ASx FP's reserve worked similarly like company's retained earning? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Nov 2 2016, 05:23 PM)
Forgive and correct me if I spoke something stupid  sweat.gif

But doesn't ASx FP's reserve worked similarly like company's retained earning?  sweat.gif
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You are vested in the FP funds right? You should read their accounts

The financial statements doesn't come with balance sheet, so the 'reserves' we don't know how much is it, whether still got or already depleted. Whereas for companies, you can see and then factor it into the share price

I used to call it black box, but people don't like it so I don't use the term anymore

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Nov 2 2016, 05:30 PM)
You are vested in the FP funds right? You should read their accounts

The financial statements doesn't come with balance sheet, so the 'reserves' we don't know how much is it, whether still got or already depleted. Whereas for companies, you can see and then factor it into the share price

I used to call it black box, but people don't like it so I don't use the term anymore
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Now I understand smile.gif

Only their VP has balance sheet (statement of financial position right?).

FP really lack that sweat.gif

But the 'reserve' info can't be obtained/deduced from P&L or comprehensive income or cash flow statement?

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