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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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SUSPink Spider
post Dec 6 2016, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 09:33 AM)
stability and knowing the past does not represent the future and that Asia will be the next economic power house within this decade
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Potong markah!!!

If Asia gonna be strong, they will not have to cut rates further...
If no further rate cuts, no upside for Asian bonds...
US inflation go up...Fed increase rates...
$$$ flow back to US from Asia...

R.I.P. bro whistling.gif

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post Dec 6 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:28 AM)
Annualised returns for 2, 3, 5 and 10 years barely exceed 4%...what makes u love it so much?
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Are you looking at the correct page?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-MYR-MYHWSBOND

From what I see it's >6% p.a

Ask dasecret or wil-i-am how much they get p.a
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post Dec 6 2016, 09:39 AM

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Aiks, which page I was looking at just now? doh.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-Fund-MYAFCAPF

Too hungry, I ate the "Select" laugh.gif

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post Dec 6 2016, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:35 AM)
Potong markah!!!

If Asia gonna be strong, they will not have to cut rates further...
If no further rate cuts, no upside for Asian bonds...
US inflation go up...Fed increase rates...
$$$ flow back to US from Asia...

R.I.P. bro whistling.gif
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well it's either this or that I keep my money in the bank and let it become smaller and smaller each year or I place my bets in the US which I do not see a future in.

Remember I don't expect to make alot money out off UT because I have a clinic to help with that but I'm doing it to force myself to save rather than spend unnecessarily. so I'm trying not to over complicate the what ifs and what nots.
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post Dec 6 2016, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:39 AM)
Aiks, which page I was looking at just now? doh.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-Fund-MYAFCAPF

Too hungry, I ate the "Select" laugh.gif
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aduh and I was thinking where you pull the numbers from. sweat. bro go have your coffee. or do you need a shot of vitamin C from me?
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post Dec 6 2016, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:39 AM)
Aiks, which page I was looking at just now? doh.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-Fund-MYAFCAPF

Too hungry, I ate the "Select" laugh.gif
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So now you got the perspective correct, what is the verdict then, between ASB and RHB ATR ?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 6 2016, 09:50 AM)
So now you got the perspective correct, what is the verdict then, between ASB and RHB ATR ?
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For those who can stomach risk and wanna maximise returns - RHB
For those who wanna reduce risk - Affin Hwang Select Bond

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post Dec 6 2016, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 5 2016, 09:07 PM)
it bothered me that you said sales charges will be charged on sales and I had to do a little read up before I sleep and I found out Fundsupermart does not charge any charges upon selling of any fund. now I can sleep easy.
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Some funds have redemption fees.. it's not common but it exists smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:51 AM)
For those who can stomach risk and wanna maximise returns - RHB
For those who wanna reduce risk - Affin Hwang Select Bond

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question to those who wants ATR. since it's volatile why buy into it when you can have the same volality on an equity fund with better returns.

QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 6 2016, 09:55 AM)
Some funds have redemption fees.. it's not common but it exists smile.gif
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so far so good on my side. I think rhb bond and Islamic bond has the redemption fees if you pull out prematurely.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 08:20 AM)
all funds bleeding and boy are they bleeding. time to top up i guess.
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I'm barely losing money now. About 0.07% ex-commission smile.gif

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 09:55 AM)
question to those who wants ATR. since it's volatile why buy into it when you can have the same volality on an equity fund with better returns.
so far so good on my side. I think rhb bond and Islamic bond has the redemption fees if you pull out prematurely.
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History may (or may not) repeat itself, past performance may not replicate in the future. tongue.gif

Correlation bro, when my equity funds fall, usually ATR go up, and vice versa.

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post Dec 6 2016, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:57 AM)
History may (or may not) repeat itself, past performance may not replicate in the future. tongue.gif

Correlation bro, when my equity funds fall, usually ATR go up, and vice versa.
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nice. it's good to have you back buddy. don't like the passive aggressiveness when it comes to difference in thinking in some members but we all learn dont we.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:32 AM)
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and BTW. she's married. lol
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 09:55 AM)
question to those who wants ATR. since it's volatile why buy into it when you can have the same volality on an equity fund with better returns.


#whyidonthavebondfunds lol smile.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:51 AM)
For those who can stomach risk and wanna maximise returns - RHB
For those who wanna reduce risk - Affin Hwang Select Bond

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If one must get bond (like me), then select bond is a good bet, it has the highest risk return ratio; fund size large enough to minimise impact of a default, and exposed to asian corporate bonds yet forex risk is managed through hedging.

Also, for people who is significantly exposed to Asia pac equity funds, would be good to match the FI and EQ portions. But of course if your AP EQ exposure is through RHB Asian Income fund it's less necessary la

Thing with ATR is, the increase is mostly due to USD strength; if you are in the camp to believe that USD will continue to strengthen against RM, then by all means go for it. To me it looks like BNM is actively interfering, so it may go up a bit more, but won't be the quantum of RM3.1-RM4.5 type
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 6 2016, 10:02 AM)
and BTW. she's married. lol
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Such a catch, of course married la tongue.gif
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Speaking of Asian bonds..have always wondered what the "other" countries are made up of! Could not find the info even from the parent fund itself.

Below is from the fund factsheet of RHB emerging Markets bond fund

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Dec 6 2016, 10:09 AM)
Speaking of Asian bonds..have always wondered what the "other" countries are made up of! Could not find the info even from the parent fund itself.

Below is from the fund factsheet of RHB emerging Markets bond fund

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Quite some countries in middle east asia and africa continent, as well as latin america.

You need to read their annual/semi-annual report to get the full breakdown smile.gif
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QUOTE(drew86 @ Dec 6 2016, 10:09 AM)
Speaking of Asian bonds..have always wondered what the "other" countries are made up of! Could not find the info even from the parent fund itself.

Below is from the fund factsheet of RHB emerging Markets bond fund

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This fund has been performing badly recently, even though it has so much of government exposure.

Don't tell me the "other" is MY ? sweat.gif
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post Dec 6 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 6 2016, 10:04 AM)
If one must get bond (like me), then select bond is a good bet, it has the highest risk return ratio; fund size large enough to minimise impact of a default, and exposed to asian corporate bonds yet forex risk is managed through hedging.

Also, for people who is significantly exposed to Asia pac equity funds, would be good to match the FI and EQ portions. But of course if your AP EQ exposure is through RHB Asian Income fund it's less necessary la

Thing with ATR is, the increase is mostly due to USD strength; if you are in the camp to believe that USD will continue to strengthen against RM, then by all means go for it. To me it looks like BNM is actively interfering, so it may go up a bit more, but won't be the quantum of RM3.1-RM4.5 type
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Why must get bond?

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