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post Jan 5 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Well said reply..
Quite long but its sum up what in our mind rclxms.gif
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post Jan 5 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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nod.gif my sentiments exactly, its a decent product.
The ones withdrawing are most probably those than need funds for the new year, extremely bearish on PNB
or the extremely savvy investors that can do above 7% yoy on their own, I wouldn't be here if I could consistently tho

This post has been edited by danslater: Jan 5 2017, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(danslater @ Jan 5 2017, 04:59 PM)
nod.gif my sentiments exactly, its a decent product.
The ones withdrawing are most probably those than need funds for the new year, extremely bearish on PNB
or the extremely savvy investors that can do above 7% yoy on their own, I wouldn't be here if I could consistently tho
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Look for the ASB thread inKopitiam section...

ASB mainly buying through loan...dats y need moolah
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post Jan 6 2017, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Tq for your opinions.

I will look forward to your belief being right about internally, the benchmark being set for 6% across ALL funds. We will see in the coming ASM payout at end-March 2017.

You are comparing against among low-risk instruments available in Msia. Let's hope that the PNB FP Funds remains, as I and you have said, low-risk, which ties back to the benchmark of at least 6% returns across all funds.
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post Jan 6 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 6 2017, 02:29 AM)
Tq for your opinions.

I will look forward to your belief being right about internally, the benchmark being set for 6% across ALL funds. We will see in the coming ASM payout at end-March 2017.

You are comparing against among low-risk instruments available in Msia. Let's hope that the PNB FP Funds remains, as I and you have said, low-risk, which ties back to the benchmark of at least 6% returns across all funds.
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As I said, it's my personal opinion and I may be wrong. EPF never really breached the 6% previously until recently when finally had the size to gain from equity since the investment mandate for its funds have always been <50% of VOF exposure to equities and coupled with their change of asset allocation towards overseas investment.

The opposite applies to PNB's funds which are mainly equity based and limited to local securities only (with the exception of ASB2 of course) so when the local bourse is doing well, the returns are reflected as such.

Personally I think if the OPR drops any further or the currency continues to devalue or the KLCI does not at least consolidate if not move higher, the chances of the other FP's dipping below 6% is obviously there but isn't say 5.5% returns when OPR is 25 or 50 basis points from where it is now or the local shringgit hitting 4.80 or KLCI continues to struggle to stay above 1500 not bad given that there's no investment cost and relatively secure?

Obviously there'll be those who claim that other types of products can provide better returns and rightly so but not everyone has the time, knowledge, capability, capacity (in terms of monies) and opportunity to invest in products with higher returns.
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post Jan 6 2017, 05:23 PM

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post Jan 6 2017, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jan 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
Sorry ladies and gents, was away on an extremely long break and just caught up with everything (lots of posts to read). Anyways, here's my views based on the info that I have.

Are PNB/ASNB worried? No. The bumi's are always famous for failing to understand the concept of compounding interest and as such they'll be expecting the normal withdrawal in the first month of 2017 just like all the previous years. People cancelling their ASB loans? I'm of the opinion is better to weed out those who shouldn't be eligible in the first place and have the quality borrowers. 

Should investors be worried? Yes and no. Yes because ASB broke the 7% floor but that's more to do with AWO than anything else. Market participants and my insider contacts says that AWO is not a fan of using/dipping into reserves to prop-up returns unlike their neighbors Tabung Haji. What they make they'll pay out. Internally I believe the benchmark is set for 6% across all funds, I believe I read it in one of the analyst reports.

No because PNB will not allow its bread and butter FPs to drop below 6% (IMHO). EPF and LTH has only just recently breached the 6% and above returns for their funds as previously it was the domain of PNB's funds. The only mistake PNB did is not managing expectations for ASB returns. EPF played it smart by saying much earlier in mid-2016 that savers SHOULD NOT expect returns of 6% and more due to market conditions.

I know all the "press release" or "damage control" stuff flowing out of PNB/ASNB is cliche' but it's the truth. Minimal risk with returns above and beyond anything comparable. The spread between most FDs to FPs is still 2% at the very least while the spread between ASB returns and BLR/BFR is still almost 2% too so "apa lagi malaysians mahu?" to paraphrase a previous headline.

I mean come on guys, KLCI did go -ve in returns for the past 3 years and that's a fact. I'm in the camp that believes our "real" inflation rate is 4 to 5% rather than the quoted 1.8% CPI so the returns are still "competitive" (as per PNB's statements) as compared to the risk associated with FPs.

Again, the above are my views so you're most than welcome to agree to disagree  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Who/What is AWO? So if they don'y utilise reserves, what's the point they are sitting on huge amount of cash? Unless the reserves are used for "other purpose" hmm.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 6 2017, 05:41 PM)
Who/What is AWO? So if they don'y utilise  reserves, what's the point they are sitting on huge amount of cash? Unless the reserves are used for "other purpose"  hmm.gif  whistling.gif
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All ASNB branch will be opened tomorrow (7 January 2017) from 8.15 am to 4.00 pm on all matters.

You can also get advice on investments and loans ASB, investment through EPF and registration for the Hibah Amanah / Pengisytiharan Amanah.

Unitholders are also encouraged to update personal details to facilitate transactions in the future ... the required information including bank account number, current address and email.

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post Jan 7 2017, 07:39 AM

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hello guys, being quite a while since I last came here. thanks to Ramjade and others who intro me to this now I have a small fund in Amanah. Im going to move back to KL from Sabah soon. so cant top up at my usual place already. anyone knows near USJ or Subang Jaya, whats the easiest place for us to top up. example keep a certain amount in the bank account and the person is more than happy to help us top up
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jan 7 2017, 07:39 AM)
hello guys, being quite a while since I last came here. thanks to Ramjade and others who intro me to this now I have a small fund in Amanah. Im going to move back to KL from Sabah soon. so cant top up at my usual place already. anyone knows near USJ or Subang Jaya, whats the easiest place for us to top up. example keep a certain amount in the bank account and the person is more than happy to help us top up
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You may want to try the nearest affin bank. Affin bank workers are generally happier to hlep compare to other banks. Also, some say go straight ASNB. For me and auntie twinkle, we swear by affin bank.

Also, if all this running around is making you tired, take a look at Affin Hwang Select Bond. It's return is as good/even better than ASX FP and it's stable. No service charge by FSM for this fund. 0.2% service charge pa.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 7 2017, 08:38 AM)
You may want to try the nearest affin bank. Affin bank workers are generally happier to hlep compare to other banks. Also, some say go straight ASNB. For me and auntie twinkle, we swear by affin bank.

Also, if all this running around is making you tired, take a look at Affin Hwang Select Bond. It's return is as good/even better than ASX FP and it's stable. No service charge by FSM for this fund. 0.2% service charge pa.
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any experience with affin bank branches near usj or subang. Or any other branches u all go to
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So guys. How the crowd today at asnb??
Can top up huh?? Or straight gets rejected? devil.gif
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post Jan 7 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 7 2017, 04:44 PM)
So guys.  How the crowd today at asnb??
Can top up huh?? Or straight gets rejected? devil.gif
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Looks like people try to avoid the crowd withdrawing asb
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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jan 7 2017, 06:12 PM)
Looks like people try to avoid the crowd withdrawing asb
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Oh really?
All ASB related transactions only today u see??
hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jan 7 2017, 08:27 PM

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received "PENYATA PENGAGIHAN PENDAPATAN AMANAH SAHAM 1MALAYSIA" for the financial year end 30 sep 2016.

Buke pelaburan = 100.00
Kadar Pengagihan pendapatan= 6.10

what's this guys? (100=the amount I open account prior dividends date?)
why they gave me 6.31 sen of dividends?
I thought they it be prorated?
can I change the address for receiving asnb letter in the future?
sien someone open my letter to read my p&c documents...

This post has been edited by heavensea: Jan 7 2017, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 7 2017, 08:03 PM)
Oh really?
All ASB related transactions only today u see??
hmm.gif hmm.gif
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Wasn't there, I guess only
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jan 7 2017, 08:27 PM)
received "PENYATA PENGAGIHAN PENDAPATAN AMANAH SAHAM 1MALAYSIA" for the financial year end 30 sep 2016.

Buke pelaburan = 100.00
Kadar Pengagihan pendapatan= 6.10

what's this guys? (100=the amount I open account prior dividends date?)
why they gave me 6.31 sen of dividends?
I thought they it be prorated?
can I change the address for receiving asnb letter in the future?
sien someone open my letter to read my p&c documents...
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change address easy only..

bring your passbook to any agents banks or ASNB branch..

fill up form.. they will print at your passbook.. u see the last page there.. got write your address biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 7 2017, 10:27 PM)
change address easy only..

bring your passbook to any agents banks or ASNB branch..

fill up form.. they will print at your passbook.. u see the last page there.. got write your address  biggrin.gif
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