Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
5 Pages  1 2 3 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

views
     
heavensea
post Oct 15 2016, 10:14 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 15 2016, 05:28 PM)
Auntie has so much faith in the FP !  :thumbsup:

I in one still would diversify in FD, UT, retail bond (trying to get in), stocks etc. Even UT has various managed by different entity. biggrin.gif
*
Fp, fd, reits, ut. Imho.
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 06:53 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 11:37 AM)
It's impossible to discuss on each investment (i.e. equity/bond/money market) within ASW/ASM/AS1M as they dun disclose the detail breakdown of each asset class in the AR
*
that's why they said harom... blush.gif
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 06:53 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 11:54 AM)
They charged me RM100 too as I signed up in Apr tis yr
*
may I know what's this 100 bucks for?
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 07:06 PM)
When you die, all your holdings in asnb will be transferred to your kids in cash. By paying them rm190 (current price) + extra charges you get to transfer your holdings in unit form instead of cash.

In my opinion not worth it as
(i) we won't be sure how amanah saham return is in the future
(ii) your kid will be charged a few % commission when the transfer is done
(iii) if I am not mistaken, there's a yearly fees
*
is it some kind like "WILL" for inheritance of ASNB?
What happened to the money if something happened to me? (touch wood)...


heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:01 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 07:07 PM)
Whatever it is, for us
Haram or halal, would still invest in ASx laugh.gif

Personal preference.. No one forced to invest in ASx devil.gif
*
I want to cont harom and invest brows.gif
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:17 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 08:06 PM)
Yes. But it covers only amanah saham products.
Will = money will be given out in cash most likely bank into your kids bank. Take time.
Pengisytiharan = money will be "transferred" as units into your kids amanah saham book. If your kids don't have a book, ASNB will create a book for them. Process is faster and as mentioned, pay upfront RM190 + yearly fees + service charge (for transferring)
*
I want to nominate parents/sister and gf.
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:29 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
AIYH hi bro, kinda off topic to tag you here.

and dear all,

But I've some doubts about "how do I calculate/know the returns of vp UT"?
In short, how can I know how much of ROI in term of sen/dividends paid out VS money of my input?

I think it's not simple as fp asx, because of the unit is fixed at 1 per unit.
Do you mind to show me some real life example/calculations based on KGF or RHB Islamic bond fund?
Or I just simply found it in fsm or similar website? Please highlight me. icon_question.gif

tqvm and have a good weekend. smile.gif

This post has been edited by heavensea: Oct 16 2016, 08:31 PM
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:33 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 08:06 PM)
Yes. But it covers only amanah saham products.
Will = money will be given out in cash most likely bank into your kids bank. Take time.
Pengisytiharan = money will be "transferred" as units into your kids amanah saham book. If your kids don't have a book, ASNB will create a book for them. Process is faster and as mentioned, pay upfront RM190 + yearly fees + service charge (for transferring)
*
If I "gg" (touch wood) and no one can retrieve those money inside asnb? How or what methods I can implement to prevent such hassle conditions?
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:39 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 08:37 PM)
Will or pengisytiharan amanah lo. Nope. Not like FD where 2 people can sign.
*
which one cheaper and offered the best value biggrin.gif blush.gif
not much of asset, I assume pengisytiharan amanah will do?

This post has been edited by heavensea: Oct 16 2016, 08:40 PM
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:44 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 16 2016, 08:40 PM)
Is not hard actually smile.gif

You just need to know what is your current fund value (if you have one), just the amount of units you have times the current NAV, e.g. 1000 unit * NAV @ 1.05 = 1050

This value will then divided by the investment amount you invested in (assuming you only invest once) e.g. 1000

Then minus one from the calculated value, your ROI will be 5% smile.gif

This method ignore timing, just compare your ROI with just final and initial value.

If you included the amount of timing, say you already invested 3 years, then your annualized ROI will be:
(Current Fund Value/ Initial Investment) ^ (1/your investment period in years) -1

In this case (1050/1000) ^ (1/3) - 1 = 1.64% p.a.

If you made multiple investments throughout the investment period, the above metrics my not be as meaningful generally, you will require IRR (internal rate of return) metrics which require excel to calculate smile.gif
*
I found a "stupid way" haha biggrin.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/plann...tor.svdo?step=2

thanks bro, I got it now. It's all about NAV, dividends paid out or not also about NAV laugh.gif
dividends paid out eventually reinvested so I got more units = more wealth rclxm9.gif

am I right? (or wrong again??)
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 08:48 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 08:43 PM)
Will is the cheapest.  biggrin.gif
*
do it via bank/insurance/pensuruh jaya? biggrin.gif
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 09:05 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 16 2016, 08:51 PM)
THe method is the 1st type of ROI I mentioned, i.e. the total return throughout your investment period without annualized and multiple investment

more units =/= more weatlh, else you will kena whack by some fsm sifu  laugh.gif

simply speaking, depends on the return later, more units is like a double edge sword, you can earn more when NAV up, so as losing more when NAV down  laugh.gif
*
yeah you're right.

then how can I know "how much I've earn" (this year) from my investment into a vp UT?
this is the most confusing part for me.. because everything isn't FIX and fluctuate enough like stock.. rclxub.gif

stock normally I "goreng", I don't care abt the dividends or not.. buy low sell high, that's it. For me it's holding power/ability.

but how about UT? what kind of indicators can be use in my strategy to invest, to hold, or to let go? (cut lost)

because UT return is not "fast/fluctuate" like stocks, it's some kind of savings imo. I would like to learn how to invest in UT instead of looking for tips.. (this "looking/listen" to tips cost me so much in the early years of stock trading..)

This post has been edited by heavensea: Oct 16 2016, 09:10 PM
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:14 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 16 2016, 09:14 PM)
For that i think you need to keep a personal record excel to calculate it smile.gif

Not sure about that, personally I invest in UT for long term (I still very young  biggrin.gif), plus if I need to do it like stocks, I might as well go learn to invest stocks and forex  laugh.gif

Generally, UT investment strategy, the internal content was handled by the fund manager, so IMHO, what we can do is understand the UT itself, does the region or sector or instrument the fund invested suit your style/teste, benhcmark against its peer then decide to hold, invest more or sell off  biggrin.gif

Others may be have different opinion to it, but thats my view as I am still new  laugh.gif
*
Your pov is same like ppl who looking into "fundamental" of stock such as financial statements, ratios, and microeconomic of the business/industry.

Good young man you're, save/plan from now=bittef now, but secure in the future.
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:16 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:09 PM)
Withdraw now as u don't know the future return.. Can change to VP...
Move all to FSM rclxm9.gif
*
lol please sell some to us,
fsm ut, asx fp, stocks are all hugely dependants on "how's the local market" unless invest abroad.

Just my dua sen.
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 10:42 PM)
Just realized ASx thread no more pined like it used too..
Guess it's not important like previously blush.gif
*
moved to fsm + property perhaps (rumawip + bukitjalil buy buy buy) up up up kemudian!
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:18 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 10:34 PM)
Incorrect
The rationale for the non full disclosure is to avoid investor calculate the actual NAV at the closing of financial year end
*
Calculated= cheating? Sort of?
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:26 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(annas473 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:23 PM)
Win rclxms.gif
*
But low and flip high high, I can't wait to be millionaire! biggrin.gif
heavensea
post Oct 16 2016, 11:27 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 16 2016, 11:24 PM)
KGF kan ada.. The best performing fund rclxms.gif
Lolz u stalking me ah bruce.gif
*
KGF is king of ut!

Lolz bro you were everywhere, you're everywhere biggrin.gif
heavensea
post Oct 17 2016, 02:13 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 17 2016, 10:07 AM)
If u think ASNB cheat u, perhaps u can withdraw n move elsewhere
*
no la, it's very hard to open account and top up. Will definitely keep it for good. Thanks sir.
heavensea
post Oct 23 2016, 03:48 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
9,616 posts

Joined: Dec 2013
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 22 2016, 09:37 PM)
Tis mth end is a perfect timing for top up
*
Hi sir, why? Any festival?
or year end "back to school" so ppl need some money?

5 Pages  1 2 3 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0664sec    0.65    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 5th December 2025 - 06:03 PM