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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Ramjade
post Oct 15 2016, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk98 @ Oct 15 2016, 02:52 PM)
Charges for the Pengisytiharan Amanah is RM190 hmmmmmm
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That's why I told my parents don't need to apply for that.
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post Oct 16 2016, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 06:53 PM)
may I know what's this 100 bucks for?
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When you die, all your holdings in asnb will be transferred to your kids in cash. By paying them rm190 (current price) + extra charges you get to transfer your holdings in unit form instead of cash.

In my opinion not worth it as
(i) we won't be sure how amanah saham return is in the future
(ii) your kid will be charged a few % commission when the transfer is done
(iii) if I am not mistaken, there's a yearly fees
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post Oct 16 2016, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 16 2016, 07:14 PM)
I also did not go for it.

Same as your points 2 & 3. Yes, there is a yearly charge.

The main attraction for me there is the automatic account creation of the beneficiary does not have an account. But that should not be over-riding sole reason for doing it.

I was told by the staff there that the beneficiary can still go to the local council to get a doc and with this, ASNB will transfer the money to the beneficiary within 6 weeks, if my memory is still OK.

Overall, not that attractive to me.
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Oh ya, the time is also another one. With will, one get the money slower, with this pengisytiharan amanah, one get the money faster. Thanks for pointing out about the annual fees. For me the annual fees + the transfer charge is a turn off. If one time payment of say RM100, I won't mind asking my parents to go for it. But since there is annual fees + the transfer charge, I told my parents don't need to waste money.
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post Oct 16 2016, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 08:00 PM)
is it some kind like "WILL" for inheritance of ASNB?
What happened to the money if something happened to me? (touch wood)...
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Yes. But it covers only amanah saham products.
Will = money will be given out in cash most likely bank into your kids bank. Take time.
Pengisytiharan = money will be "transferred" as units into your kids amanah saham book. If your kids don't have a book, ASNB will create a book for them. Process is faster and as mentioned, pay upfront RM190 + yearly fees + service charge (for transferring)
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post Oct 16 2016, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 16 2016, 08:16 PM)
How much is yearly fee and transfer charge?
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post Oct 16 2016, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 08:33 PM)
If I "gg" (touch wood) and no one can retrieve those money inside asnb? How or what methods I can implement to prevent such hassle conditions?
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Will or pengisytiharan amanah lo. Nope. Not like FD where 2 people can sign.
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post Oct 16 2016, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 16 2016, 08:39 PM)
which one cheaper and offered the best value biggrin.gif blush.gif
not much of asset, I assume pengisytiharan amanah will do?
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Will is the cheapest. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 17 2016, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 16 2016, 11:04 PM)
i) Y u try so hard to top up since u dunno the returns from 2017 onwards
ii) U expect them to execute FOC for u? Anyway, their rate is the most competitive in town
iii) Their yearly fees of RM10 is too nominal n negligible if on mthly basis
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(i) How many years you want to pay yearly fees? 20-30 years? What happen if in between ASX FP change to VP/not performing/inflation in Malaysia creep up until = return given by ASX FP? If anything happen, can cabut anytime I like.
(ii) One time fees + that yearly fees still can stomach. But not the % amount charged (parents words - not mine)
(iii) True. But look at the % charged.

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post Oct 18 2016, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Oct 18 2016, 09:00 AM)
Without this, it will take  2 years for your kids to get cash.
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Not really. If I am not mistaken, The pengisytiharan does it in 21 days. But with a will just a few months (2 months?). There was a discussion about this in one of the old threads.
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post Oct 18 2016, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 18 2016, 10:54 AM)
V think there is enuf time to live but v nvr know which moment is the last
If u think will is not important as part of wealth mgmt, then just forget it
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Parents already included in amanah saham into their will. But this pengisytiharan stuff is redundant.
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post Oct 18 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(twinkle5129 @ Oct 18 2016, 11:33 AM)
Thanks. I was mulling about doing PA last May as I already have a personal will.
The advantage of transfer of ASNB units are the BIGGEST highlight for me.
$10/yr is very minimal maintenance fees cost for a peaceful mind esp after I've invested so much time 'gathering' precious units.
Now my lawyer can 'claim' less % on my other assets as this PA will handle my ASNB units faster and I've read, cheaper too.
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Your lawyaer can 'claim' less % on your asset other assets but ASNB can claim lots.
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post Oct 19 2016, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 19 2016, 10:46 AM)
I, for one, still "diversify" into FD and others. I still treat FP as UT. We all hope everything is OK and no issues. I would not put all my eggs in one basket.

I still intend to keep more in FD, much more, than in the FP.  biggrin.gif

Other, don't throw stones at me !  devil.gif
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So if FD rates drop further (as anticipated by everyone at the end of this year), will you
(i) move more to ASX FP?
(ii) Stay with FD even though lower rates?
(iii) Lock in as much as possible now before they reduce further?
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post Oct 19 2016, 02:09 PM

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Kind of weird that the 3 original agent (not counting post office) - RHB, Maybank, Cimb are less user friendly to topup compare to affin bank which was just appointed agent only recently.
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post Oct 19 2016, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 19 2016, 02:17 PM)
Wow, 2% of RM1mil = RM1667 per month. Surely ur monthly expenses easily more than double.

Wow, how you manage to top up so much is 3 months?
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Camp everyday at affin Bank. One day easily 5 figure can masuk. Old story. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2016, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 19 2016, 04:02 PM)
Today went to a bank ... officer said cannot top up anymore, one day one transaction, even the transaction was with other bank.... and officer said that the new form has a column to indicate why you need to do a multi times of transaction...
Any one face this before
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Just feel up stating tak dapat mencapai target.

QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 19 2016, 04:10 PM)
Isn`t that the risk should be lower than stock market,forex,  variable unit trust?

The safer one is FD ..am i right?
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Rates dropping. You want you better lock in.
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post Oct 19 2016, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 19 2016, 06:43 PM)
UT on bonds should be more consistent on return and less risky than equity?
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Yes and no. Local bond funds like rhb islamic/bond fund, libra asnita are stable. Funds like rhn asian total return are unstable even though it's a bond fund.
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post Oct 19 2016, 07:26 PM

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A fund which cannot outperform FD is not worth investing in (hint:ASG, ASN3)
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post Oct 19 2016, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 19 2016, 11:06 PM)
1. i think most of us not putting all eggs in one basket... i doubt that any of us dump all $ into ASX FP......., presume you are so lucky can buy all the units you want .....then the ratio for ASX FP: FD : UT : STOCKS will be 100:0:0:0
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Actually I am the exception. Was thinking of transferring all my FDs into ASX FP until I decide to fork some over to FSM. In the process of removing my 25% left in FD for FSM.
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post Oct 19 2016, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 19 2016, 11:13 PM)
that is not easy task, ...so how is your units hunting this week? any luck?
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Already stop hunting. May start again once I am back in Malaysia. Temporarily parking place while waiting for opportunities to buy UT devil.gif
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post Oct 20 2016, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 20 2016, 05:36 PM)
Guys, want to ask.

Those who leaving their books at the counter letting the banker to help like our big bro guy....

Actually safe or not. The banker can actually secretly snap our details and amount...

They might not might not do something funny in future...

I quite worry ....

Ps: don't treat me like invi Liao. I sadding. I ga ga dei also quite senior Liao. * lol how can I write this hahaha
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What can they do wirh your detail? Unless IC different story la.

Most is you will get spam calls from bank promoting their products.

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