Hi all sifu sifu,

I just receive a letter from an architect company that do my drawing for my house kitchen extension,but this letter come after 6 years and ask me to apply for CCC from Mpsj. Should I apply or should I ignore them,they charge around 2-4k for that. And they did say Mpsj will issue summon if I dont have the CCC certificate.

Any Sifus here can give some advise?thx u in advance

MPSJ is currently offering illegal extension whitening application.
Your architect is professional and kind enough to inform you about the offer and this could be the golden opportunity to legalise your illegal extension.

If you ignore this rare opportunity, silap haribulan if your are caught having illegal extension, you will need to pay a hefty fine and redo the extension back to its original plan.

Pay 2k to 4K now or pay tens of thousands later, the money is yours.

I got the MPSJ letter also. Anyone got good contact for an architect?

Thx u for the info,my extension follow the actual drawing by the architect,means to be safe,I still need to apply for the CCC cert right?

Yes, just pay the fee and the CCC is issued by your architect, not MPSJ.
Whitening programme is going to end in Feb 2017. So hurry up.

what is CCC?

I did ask my renovator to apply from MPSJ, paid bout 2-3K that time.
And i got architect plan that certified by architect guy and MPSJ cop.
and i got the laminated MPSJ approval as well written my address and my names etc.

IS that ccc?

http://www.acem.com.my/index.php?option=co...&id=50&Itemid=1

Those have intention to apply for CCC should have requested their consultants to include whatever remuneration required for the process in their fee. However, many owners have no intention to do so mainly due to constructing not to approval obtained.

So unfair to come up with a bill to owner's surprise after completion.

I contacted my Architect. they said impossible to get the CCC because it required approval from MPSJ too.

Previously known as CF, certificate of fitness.
The approval is for the architect plan and the permission to carry out the renovation, upon completion, your architect have to issue you the CCC aka CF (additional fee)

Now got whitening program, please insist that you want CCC. Pay the architect for CCC.
Without CCC after renovation, the bank would not take the added value of the renovation into consideration in its official value accessment. It might affect the loan margin of your future house buyer.

Ok my architect come to my house and review the renovation based on the architect plan.
and has 5-10% didnt follow the architect plan and he don't want to give me the CCC sijil damn.
He offer me RM3.3K to redraw the architect plan again and include the RM500 summon.

I feel something fishy there.

Please advice.

Because of the 10% deviation from the MPSJ approved plan, you have no choice but to resubmit the actual plan and get it approved again by MPSJ. RM3.3k inclusive of CCC ? Still "worth" to pay if you were to compare to future consequences of not having the ccc.
Hurry up, the MPSJ whitening offers ending soon.
How much you paid for your first approved plan?

Bit odd for the pindaan to be more expensive than the first submission as it is a lot of works to put up the first set of base drawings. Of course, assuming the architect drawn from scratch.

This post has been edited by concretemad: Dec 25 2016, 05:37 PM

Maybe inclusive of CCC fee. If yes, the fee still ok. Wait for sovietmah to confirm it.

RM2.5K 3-4 years ago

yes. include the rm500 summon and ccc.
means confirm will get tio ccc.

maybe i should pay after i obtain ccc haha.. if not later say draw wrong lagi.. wtf.

Ok,some update.
my architect SMS me, quote me RM3K (include redraw or readjustment for the plan, RM500 summon, RM500 CCC).
Will pay by phase.

Seriously, i asked my neighbours, none of them got CCC (but they have MPSJ approval).

Yup. Many renovations of private residential has none CCC.

Did you check with him, why after 6yrs only, he wrote to you to advise you in obtaining it? Is all this initiated by the council?

Mine was RM3.5k all in including CCC (RM1.5k). Your fee is reasonable.
Your neighbors are just ringgit wise and dollar foolish, tidak apa attitude and ill informed. They will regret it later when they need that piece of paper for whatever reasons in the future. Nowadays, systems and procedures can not cincai cincai like the old days, even if things can gaotim also, they would have to fork out more money than what they would have paying now.

Btw, did you inform them there is a whitening offers by MPSJ right now ?

MPSJ sent a paper to whole USJ area, and then written need to obtain CCC.
I contact the architect myself.

OK. agreed with you.
Kao tim this time then forever no need to worry.

aeiou228,

ur hse renovation involved any concrete slab? or just lower floor renovation only?

Widen car porch and extended kitchen. Upper floor just renovate the bath rooms

Guys, what will happen if I purchase a house in MPSJ's area? The house got no CCC by the previous owner and what can I do about that?

CCC= Certificate of Compliance and Completion...Borang F signed by the architect

basically saying that he took responsibility for the design & construction of the said portion in perpetuity (forever)

so he is liable if any mishap happens..thats why MPSJ wants it (so they dont get blamed if mishap happen to illegal reno) insurance company oso will not cover if anything happen to building without ccc. so yeah for peace of mind better just settle it.

better u insist on it...its either CF (pre-2007) and CCC(post 2007). if dont have both than its like your building is illegal and built not follow to the building by laws.

ask the owner to provide it or u minus from the purchase price (let say 10-20k) from the sale price for your piece of mind.

getting CCC means a professional architect confirming the building is safe and fit for purpose and fulfill all requirement (local council, BOMBA etc)

1) You need to ask your lending bank whether they are ok without the CCC.
2) If the bank accept the old CF (the original ones from developer) it might affect the bank's valuation report and margin of finance.
3) negotiate with the seller to discount RM10k for you to re apply the CCC.
4) you have to bear the risk of MPSJ may not approve your new house plan application and you need to re-do certain parts of the renovation in order to comply with MPSJ's buildings rules and regulations.

Say I really manage to nego down the price because the house doesn't come with CCC, do you know what should I do to legalise it subsequently?

To reapply CCC, I just need to go to some MPSJ approved architect?

the extra money u save from the discount u got then u can approach an architecture firm to settle the CCC for u. the principal will then sign the CCC form and send to MPSJ, LAM, U (CLIENT) and the archi firm. so altogether 4 copy of CCC. before sign of course the firm need to do proper documentation lor.

Yes. But hurry up. Whitening exercise ending next month.
You can ask the seller to do it now before the dateline, so that he doesn't have to compensate you.

Thanks guys for the advice. At least now I know what are my options.

Guys,
How about if my front upper portion of house, the balcony does not compliant with 20 feet distance?

Hi, Anyone can recommend me any good Panel architect for MPSJ? i would like to get their service for the illegal extension application submission as now MPSJ extend until August 2017. thanks

If you renovated the upper portion before, better get it legitimized with proper CCC.

You can get the latest list of panel architects from MPSJ. Then call them to get the best quotation.

Thanks aeiou228 will try it out. Just wonder anyone appoint any panel archictect for MPSJ before and they provide good service.

Hi, i am doing plan preparation, submission untill get plan & permit approval. After done all this, i will submit ccc application. Wassap me hafdi 016-3553020. Tq

#plan approval and ccc (certificate of completion & compliance) need same architect/building draughtmen. U cannot use architect 'A' to sign building plan and using the architect 'B'( maybe more chepeast) to acknowledge CCC@ addtional cf (renovation)

Anyone have experience in the standards rm50 extension plan back in 2009.. I have completed my renovation but failed to contact MPSJ for certification.. scared get penalty and have to redraw whole extension drawing again.. anyone have experience what should I do to get the extension legalized

This post has been edited by freshie80: Mar 29 2017, 10:14 PM

You seem to be very well-informed so I'll try my luck here.

If I need to only change a wall design, but without any extension, is there any kind of plans drawing or approvals needed?

The renovation will definitely change what it looks like from the SNP architect drawing, but no extensions whatsoever, just change the "design" of the wall, patching up some big grills into windows.

You need a drawing plan. That what i am doing now. I am literally redoing the drawing.

Then is there any CCC or approvals needed? How much generally drawing cost if it's only one face of the house (the back)?

I don't know on your side, maybe some can get it cheaper than other. Mine need about 5k

Whatever invole structural reconstruction, you need to get a new ccc. I can't read your mind about how you going to change the wall design. Better you sketch a before and after plan here.
Another thing to consider is the cost of new ccc is not must different for minor or major renovation. You might as well submit a more comprehensive drawing plan and do a major renovation once and for all. Just don't end up with your cost of ccc is 50% of the cost of a minor renovation.

Got it, thanks. Problem is I don't plan on doing any major structural renovation except for just that change in the back wall. So definitely the ccc will still be too much for me no matter how i see it. Since internally nothing is going to change as well except furnishing.

I am wondering what is the total cost for the MPSJ CCC. Any idea?

mpsj approves the plan, while ccc issued by architect?

Hi bro, did mpsj officers come check your house before architect issued ccc?

According to the person i am engaging, yes they will come over. Mine yet to submit.

Can share your Arkitect contact?

I am working in the profession, and I feel compelled to reply to this, although this might be a little late for some, but still.
In addition to the info aeiou228 has shared, I would like to add.
Many people like to think the existence of architects and other professions within the building construction industry are to get money out of your pocket.
What they don't understand is that these laws pertaining to the built environment, are meant more to protect interest of the public by regulating what can be done and what cannot be done.
What they can't see is the value behind the price tag. An architect's certification is basically, in layman terms, a lifetime guarantee of health and safety to the building you are occupying, at least that is true in Malaysia.
It is sometime puzzling to us within the profession why someone can spend thousands to get a designer bag, yet wouldn't want to remunerate the professional who is responsible for the health and safety of your house. (Let's not even talk about the infamous bad debt in the construction industry)
Typically, for a renovation done without applying for permit, in any case when you need to present your CCC, and you can't, then that is the beginning of another long process.
For information and education purposes, see below for the CCC process.
These are all stipulated in the Street, Drainage and Building Act 1974 (Act 133) and Uniform Building By-Laws 1984

See the Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia's Circular No. 1/2008 on CCC which outlines the process of delivering building construction permit up to issuance of CCC
http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/circulars/...s.html?start=10

There are 21 Forms (Borang G1-G21) to be completed for any new projects.

For renovation projects however, only the involved parts needs to be filled in, likely but not limited to Form G4-G7 and G12, depending on the scope of your projects. Other than that, the PSP will certify that the particular forms are not related, but still need to submit.
These forms are designed to suit any scale of projects, from kitchen renovation to 100 storey mega structures, the forms are the same.
It is a process involving professional consultant's certification, invitation and arrangement of the relevant technical departments (internal for example Jabatan Kawalan Bangunan, Jabatan Kejuruteraan, Jabatan Pengairan dan Saliran, etc.; external for example Bomba, TNB, IWK, Syabas, etc.) to do inspection.
For most homeowners who cannot comprehend why you think the cost of engaging an architect to produce the CCC is high, there are so many background works that you couldn't even imagine how complicated and sometimes difficult to deal with, the long hours involved, as well as the long time frame to make things happen, this is it.




This is a misconception regarding "an authority approved architect" or "panel architect".
There is no laws permitting this, as any architect registered with Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (LAM) is qualified to submit plans to any local authority within Peninsular Malaysia.
If you need to find any architect, you can refer to the LAM website, they have a database of registered architect with contact details.
A good tip to any person approaching an architect, it is good to request the architect to present their LAM registration certificate, and get their LAM registration number.
You can then look up from the website, or even call LAM to check up on a certain architect to make sure they are registered.
Link to LAM database: http://portal.lam.gov.my/website_member_list.php?gtype=pa
This is because architecture as a profession is highly regulated in Malaysia, if any architect are doing any sketchy thing, you can complain/report to LAM and there will be actions taken.
More details you can refer to Architect's Act 1967 (Act 117) at http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/act-rules.html

According to the law, any type of building works needs to obtain CCC. For projects involving structural (re)construction, the owner will need to engage a structural engineer to do their relevant plan submission to the local authority to get approval. But for any project, there is only 1 CCC. The approvals/permits obtained by engineers will form as part of the CCC.
For example, concerning the structural parts of the project only, the main contractor and the structural engineer will need to sign Borang G4. See example below

As you can see, this form is only valid if your contractor is registered with CIDB. Please make sure your contractor is registered with CIDB before engaging them to do your building works.
Ask them to produce to you a copy of their CIDB registration certificate, and similar to the above regarding architects, you can look up their registration details on CIDB website.
If your main con is not CIDB registered, turn around and never look back.

This is a somewhat controversial issue that is a topic of constant discussion within the profession.
The main purpose of establishing the CCC system is towards a self-regulatory and self-certification system.
Under the CCC procedure, basically all liability are to be borne by the consultants (architects, civil & structural engineers, mechanical & electrical engineers, etc. - those who endorse the Borang G1-G21)
yet for some reason the local authority still needs to approve the plan.

This post has been edited by 2387581: May 12 2017, 11:27 AM

2387581 what happens to MPSJ approved plan but built by non-cidb contractors?

very good explanation bro

Do you mean
1. local authority 'pre-approved plan' which does not involve architect to do submission, or
2. a set of plan submitted by an architect which subsequently obtained approval from local authority ?

No. 1, sorry to tell you I do not know the process as it does not involve architects. For example you have a terrace house with a backyard. You want to extend to build up to the boundary of the backyard. In these cases you can go directly to the local authority and choose the 'pre-approved' plan and pay a small amount of fee to the local authority to get the permit. Whether or not these cases require CCC I do not know. This is because if there is no architect involved, no architect to issue to CCC. You may check with your local authority for clarification.

No. 2, This is a problem with the people's mindset whereby the people tends to do things the 'easy-way' they think, by cutting corners and ignoring legal responsibilities. Local authority only accept completed Borang G1-G21 signed by contractors/tradesman registered with regulatory bodies respectively. In order to facilitate the paper works, some people may choose to engage a CIDB-registered contractor, and get them to check your building against the approved plan. If they are satisfied with everything (including the quality, material, craftsmanship, etc.) then they may endorse the Form G12 alongside with the architect's signature. When they endorse, it means they undertake that particular job as their own instead of the original, non-CIDB registered contractor. It means down the road if it involves a lawsuit, they are responsible for any wrongdoings of the construction works. Disclaimer: I do not endorse this, as this is not the right way to do things. You may refer to Lembaga Pembangunan Industri Pembinaan Malaysia Act 1994 (Act 520) for more info.

To understand each Borang G1-G21 you can download the forms at Lemabaga Arkitek Malaysia website http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/ccc/forms-g1-g21.html
Inside you can see who is responsible for each form, and it stats the works involved.

What I am trying to do here is to raise awareness to the readers of these issues. I see many cases here saying the contractor vanished after they receive money and they cannot get someone to hold account. In this age, people can fabricate and sugarcoat their portfolio and talk empty to get you to pay them before commencing any works. The CIDB regulations is meant to protect the public against those irresponsible and shady contractors. One thing worth noting is that CIDB grades the contractor according to their capacity to undertake projects of certain budget. Details can be found on CIDB website and their class is reflected in their registration number.

This post has been edited by 2387581: May 12 2017, 05:14 PM

Can someone advise how a CCC looks like? Is it also called Borang F (Perakuan Siap dan Pematuhan), and is blue in colour?
I have the Borang F already, wondered if this means my CCC is complete?
Thanks a lot

This post has been edited by Nitrous: May 12 2017, 05:25 PM

Yes, the owner's copy is blue in colour.
See link for image sourced online.
Borang F = CCC = certificate of completion and compliance = sijil perakuan siap dan pematuhan
Every set of CCC has 4 copies with a serial number and lettered according to the state/territory.
Salinan asal - Owner's - Blue
Salinan orang utama yang mengemukakan - Principal submitting person's copy (architect/engineer) - Yellow
Salinan pihak berkuasa tempatan - Local authority's copy - Green
Salinan Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia - LAM's copy - Biege

Your CCC should be complete upon the architect submit to local authority. Under OSC 3.0 process, the architect will submit the Borang F (local authority + LAM) to local authority. Upon receive, the local authority shall forward LAM's copy to LAM within 14 days of the date printed on Borang F. At the same time, the architect is required to upload a scanned copy of the CCC to LAM website.
Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia will then publish on its website the list of CCC.
You can search according to the serial number or other credentials to ensure they are recorded. Link here.
But sometimes they could be really, really slow in updating the database.

Note that the CCC although is only one sheet of A4 paper, the documents that come with it are usually bound together as a booklet, which contains all checklist, Borang G1-G21 and relevant approval letters, clearance letters after inspection is done by all technical agencies, sometimes a photographic report documenting the completed project, etc etc. The most important thing is still your Blue coloured A4-sized Borang F though.

2387581 my cousin engaged an mpsj staff for recommended architect. the mpsj officer facilitated his whole 9 yards until mpsj approval to start extending his wet kitchen. unfortunately, only after handing him the approval she told him that he must appoint a cidb contractor. by this time, 20% of the estimated wet kitchen extension cost was already given to the non-cidb contractor. he pretty much have no choice but to go with that guy!

any advice?

Hi, i am doing plan preparation, submission untill get plan & permit approval. After done all this, i will submit ccc application. Wassap me hafdi 016-3553020. Tq

#plan approval and ccc (certificate of completion & compliance) need same architect/building draughtmen. U cannot use architect 'A' to sign building plan and using the architect 'B'( maybe more chepeast) to acknowledge CCC@ addtional cf (renovation)

Some owner will get ccc or borang f from architect but the final clearance is a letter from Mpsj that mention inspection have already done and all fullfill by architect.

Can you share with us the sample of final clearance letter from MPSJ?

Ask your architect, he/she would know.
With OSC 3.0 process, it goes like the following
1. Consultants (architect/engineers) to pre-consult with relevant technical departments for info/requirements pertaining to your project.
2. Submission of plans for approvals
3. Notice of commencement of works
4. Interim inspection by technical departments (SYABAS, TNB, DOSH, IWK, JKR, Bomba, Local authority Building Dept., Engr. Dept., etc)
5. Final inspection stage I & II by technical departments
6. Deposit CCC

For more information you may refer to the OSC 3.0 Manual Pemohon which can be found here.
It clearly outlines the process and departments involved.

There is a reason why it is called "Deposit CCC" instead of application (in a sense application 'for approval') because it is the Principal Submitting Person (architect/engineer depending on the project) who certify and sign on the Borang F. Further more, as per the above process, inspections are done before the architect will issue the Borang F. Of course there is a list of documents required to be deposited together with the Borang F, and the Jabatan Bangunan + OSC will check to ensure all documents are in place before OSC will even accept it. These documents always includes the clearance letter obtained from all relevant departments after they have done inspection and satisfied to their requirement. Upon the local authority OSC (MPSJ for example) accepted it, they are responsible to distribute the Borang F to Jabatan Bangunan and LAM respectively. Should they have any further comments (which is unlikely - because comments would have been arises during the multiple stages of inspection before depositing CCC) they will inform your architect.

No, it is possible to do so.
Sometimes client-consultant relationship turns sour, sometimes the architect might be incapacitated to perform his duty, lots of possibilities. As long as the client has fully settled the account with (paid) architect 'A', and architect 'A' has subsequently issued a release letter to the client and also informed the local authority.
The client may then engage another architect 'B' to carry on with the project, with prior approval from the local authority.

For small projects like small home renovation, in my personal opinion, is simply not worth to do this. You could be penny wise pound foolish. It will most likely consume your time and energy and probably more money to do so, and in the process drag the project completion time late.

Renovation works less than 50% keluasan lantai and not involve in any changes building height no need go through osc 3.0. Direct submit to building department to get building plan approval

Perhaps you are right because I comment based on my working experience only for projects of larger scales. And probably it differs from one authority to another. From my experience, there is one instance with MBPJ involving 4-storey shop office internal renovation, I enquired with jabatan bangunan and confirmed, then submitted building plan to jabatan bangunan directly for approval. Next stage onwards they ask me to go submit to OSC, starting from Borang B up to CCC I have to submit to OSC.

Maybe the 4 storey shop office u convert to hotel. So need development order approval from planning department mean's office to hotel. Ok, back to Mpsj amnesty programme, time almost due. $3.5k to complete all it's more cheaper compare to +/-$15k after end of this programme.

My architect just finish drafting 4 copies of the plans.
and then ask me to sign.
and then he ask for SNP photocopy and MPSJ cukai pintu receipt.
Is that OK to give him?

Yes, these are the standard documents the Majlis required for submission.

OK thanks a lot.

Hi,

Can anyome share what they have paid for MPSJ renovation permit?

Was told that one of the fee is actually a deposit for the waste bin and can be recover once return the bin

Hi, my contractor say single storey extend kitchen just need local municipal Reno permit, no CCC.
He won't endorse the CCC if submit to him.
So which is true?
Can any body proof extend kitchen also need CCC for me to show my contractor.
Thanks all for help

kitchen extension needs CCC and CCC is endorsed by the architect, not contractor.
Reno permit has expiry date or date line to complete the renovation, after the date line, the permit is useless.
Your contractor is very unprofessional.

My architect say contractor also need to sign for the CCC.
Now I'm stuck…

Please read post#49.

Sorry, post 49 u r referring me to which sentence?
Thanks for help

The second last para, right under an image of a form.

Ya, my contractor is registered CIDB, just he say extend kitchen no need apply CCC,he won't sign for it.
He say extend kitchen and apply CCC was not according to standard construction method.
So got any letter proof that extend kitchen also need CCC can share here?
Thanks

Which local council? Maybe you area is different.

Every local Majlis may have different directions. Easiest way to resolve this is to bring along your contractor to the Jabatan Kawalan Bangunan and ask the officer there.
For all these reasons that is why I always emphasis the importance of written correspondence, letters, minutes, memorandum of agreement, stamped contracts, receipts etc; not simply based on talk only.
One job even adding a metal deck porch roof to a terraced factory, MBSA requires CCC.
For my office project, all require CCC. But then because I work in a proper architectural consultation practice, we usually deal with projects from scratch to completion, so CCC is a must from my experience.

Do you have an architect for this project? If a kitchen extension, some Majlis would have 'standard plans' sold at a fixed price from the department, and it does not involve architects in the process. So I deduce that when there is no architect, no one is signing the CCC, hence it is not required. I cannot confirm this, since like I say previously, as I work in an architect's office, the owners engage us to do things which require the services of an architect.
Like I mentioned above, check directly with your Majlis.

This post has been edited by 2387581: Jun 2 2017, 11:38 AM

If the house is not follow standard plan will unable apply CCC and mpsj will not approval also ? If yes, what we need to do except renovate again?
Highly appreciated for all the expert advice.

Contact ur architect to do as built plan submission. Mpsj fees as built plan submission $1,200. Not including ur architect charge.

Any extensions beyond Aug? Yes

Just engaged a draftsman for my renovation in USJ. He said that contractors need to be CIDB registered in order for him to issue the CCC.

Unfortunately for me, the contractor I engaged isn't CIDB registered.

Can anyone recommend a CIDB contractor?

Thanks.

U can text me for the purpose on that matters. I want to look first before i put the charge. Actually this is the boring part for me.

Yeah. I heard so. Will extent and will more tight in procedure especially ccc. Something will change.

If the previous seller dont have cf or ccc for the extension of the house,
Can the new buyer apply for it? How long it takes to get it done usually?

Can, a few weeks to a few months. There's no rush anyway.
Engage an architect or registered building draftman to do submission on your behalf. Remember to check on Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia website to verify their names before you engage one. Avoid those 'runners', their functions are getting lesser and lesser.

If new buyer apply now, would it kena fine?
Like those 20x ganda of the fine..

is your area mpsj? if so you can refer to the following:

This really helpful!
Thanks bro!

Extended to 2018 aug already?

do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...

i think constructor certified by mpsj is abit over. maybe some sort of certification worldwide but if just limited to mpsj means only contractors under mpsj can do job there become more like a cartel operation.

If u do major works...need competent person to sign also aside the professional architect(Ar.)/registerd draughtsman...example plumbing, wiring etc. if the work good enough satisfactorily the Ar. himself can sign off lar

The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.

hi, what is trade contractor & engineer?

LAM stands for what? so even simple draughtsman need registered to every local authority... and there will be no future draughtsman? correct me if i'm wrong but draughtsman the more economical way of getting drawings drawn, will now require architects themselves to draw? this rule applies to just residential or any landed buildings in malaysia including factories?

trade contractors are more commonly known as their job titles, like plumbers, electrician, etc. - usually the main contractor sub the jobs to these, so they are parked under the main contractor's responsibility. The owner and consultants usually do not directly deal with the trade contractors, unless they are nominated contractor (direct contract with owner).

engineers mean primarily 4 types involved in building construction - they are the one who design the systems and structures
- civil engineer (earthworks, road, drainage, sewerage mains, etc)
- structural engineer (structures)
- mechanical engineer (plumbing, internal sewerage)
- electrical engineer (electrical)

LAM - Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (Board of Architects Malaysia) - it is a governmental body established to enforce the Architects Act, to keep a register of all architects, draughtsman, interior designers, inspector of works, architectural technologists; and to regulate, educate, penalty/punish (in case of offense to the Act).

draughtsman - yes, since no new registration will accepted from 2015 onwards. All draughtsman currently in practice may still renew their registration until they decided to retire. I am not sure why they remove the draughtsman in the latest Architects Act 1967 (2015 amendment). I could come up with many theories but real reason I do not know why. Theoretically your assumption is correct, and applies to all building constructions, but factories, see blow.

factories - some local authorities accept engineers as the principal submitting person (PSP - sign plans and issue CCC), due to the fact that some factories is highly specialised scope, especially oil & gas (like the RAPID project). However, mass factories (like housing estates) still require architects acting as PSP.

This post has been edited by 2387581: Jan 5 2018, 02:02 PM

good answers mang...are u an Ar.? or studying for the professional exam..haha


regarding the building draughtsman...they actually killed their profession themselves...selling signatures were rampant (violation of their own code of conduct)..LOL

i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?