I still dont understand why ppl refuse to accept or either listen to MLM. It just another kind of business model or marketing model that doing tradisional business == selling things/product.

There are no such thing where you can get free. Doing MLM is just like doing ordinary sales jobs. What make MLM so different is only the mindset of the person.

Imagine one day you join a sales company, you still need to sell your company product no matter you like the product or not, or whether the product good or bad. You do that just because your boss paying you a small amount of money and you are giving him your time and effort.

Ppl keeping complaint about MLM that cheat ppl, bullshit, scam ..... I still dont understand why? I believe if MLM company offer basic salary to it distributor and commit them to achieve target, I think it almost same like ordinary sales job. But MLM company do not do so, so ppl trend to giving excuse saying this saying that.

Hey, come on... that is the only place that you can determine how far you wan to go and how much you wan to earn. World is getting smaller due to globalization, if you have the network in your hand, you will be the one that can make tone of money and opportunity.

When MLM didnt control you on your sales target, you say ppl bullshit or cheating, a sales company that control you and want you to achieve salas target, you work like a dog to archieve the target and bring huge sales to company by getting a small amount of commision. Dont your guy this it is unfair compare with the effort you putting in.

After work for few year in sales company, you might be a super sale man, but imagine one day you are not able to work ... wat you will get, the boss will fire you and pay you extra two month salary else you might get your insurance claim if you have one with you.

Dont your guy ever thinking of getting passive income that will make your life better and better in the future ? I believe everyone is looking better life and hoping of getting passive income when their stop working.

But, ppl trend to oni thinking but not action .... saying this cannot, that one cheating , this impossible ... Have you ever think of wat is impossible and wat is cannot?

When ppl say human can flying like a bird with it own wing is cannot, when ppl say human can run like sport car with it own leg is impossible ... but their are ppl earn a lot in MLM, there is prove , so it is possible and can be done .. just how much your determination you have been giving out ... how much effort you have put in ....

There are ppl keep on say bad to MLM because they cant do it not others can not do. when you ask them "Have you try it with your full force ?" ... I believe they might not able to answer you. This is because they oni join in and have a look, hoping getting good money in short period, after that jump out when they cant make it in short period .. then they will keep saying MLM cannot do and bullshit .... walau ... this is very unfair to those who putting effort in this business ....

For this kind of ppl, plz dont think of driving BMW, staying pent house in their young age except those with a rich dad .... they are many young ppl i meet who really work hard for their dream and achieve excellent result in their life.

Conclusion,
those who deserve to be rich & successful= do and believe wat ever they think is right.
those who deserve poor & fail = talk and something they might not try and dont dare to try.


No heart feeling to anyone, just my opinion on nows day ppl when their meet up MLM.
Think of your life, remember .. you are the one who determine your rest of life, no one can do that for you.

Doing MLM = helping ur upperline to get money and screwing downline for not getting new member

Teh top (old member) is teh winnar...

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 29 2007, 04:47 PM

ppl are fear off "BAD" MLM...
but not "Good" MLM...

"BAD" MLM ?? you need to pay certain ammount of money .. then you can only archive higher position... you cant pay it ? you die...

"GOOD" MLM ?? you do it on your own.. you sell things.. you earn.. if you fail to do so.. you earn nothing.. nothing happens..

that's myself defination of MLM..

Finally got ppl agree with me.

Thumb for you

Pls DO NOT mistaken MLM with DIRECT SALES.....

Wat u talking is more to direct sales...
Direct sales = more to selling stuffs
MLM = more to getting member

Amway used to be more to selling stuffs but now i dont really know....futhermore they started to sell some weird stuffs.......

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 29 2007, 04:53 PM

Those who really agree with me .. I really hope to get your PM and wish to discuss more with you

I have a feeling u trying to recruit ppl.....
There's already a thread to discuss MLM, go there to disccuss and this thread will be closed by mod very soon...

mlm is evillllllllllll ...hhhhuhuhuhu...just kidin

ahwooi is trying to recruit people who in-tune with his MLM ideas.
MLM = Multi Level Marketing.
Top will always earn !!!!

This post just betray ur long post

coz many people are afraid of people asking this asking that.

Go hell with MLM, it will never work in KL. Well unless there is a scheme behind it. U can work ur ass of it for many years, but that doesnt guarantees u wealth and success..
U get urself a good degree and u work urself up to there.. if ur not satisfy with it , u can always venture ur skill in another country where dey really pay u big and the currency factor gifts u with wealth in malaysia.
Dont u ever get fooled by this MLM get rich schemes, hard work pay off, of corse, but it doesnt even guarantee u rich. DUH!

I sense some baits here too.

hey ahwooi, if you are really supporting "your" MLM (not direct-selling), why not state the name of your company?

I agree that there's nothing wrong in Direct-selling. It's revolution and it's healthy The bad ones are those pure MLM that concentrates more on recruiting members rather than selling good-quality products (if they have any good ones).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not involved in MLM nor Direct-selling.

You might look at me in one kind .. I dont mind ... Cause you are those ppl i mentioned in my long post.

There are these kind of people because there are A LOT of people have BAD EXPERIENCE on it and do not wish others to fall into it.

Why are you moaning about the so-called "those ppl" and not trying to understand the reasons behind?

Hate to say this but it's just another brain-washed soul ~

dont be mistaken as well. MLM business strategy is very good.

the bad thing is how the 'sales' person goes about to attract their so called 'sale':

1) They will brainwash you to think you will achieve all ur dreams by selling their stuff
2) Of course, all of this will come at a price of membership fee of at least Rm5K
3) At the end, it no longer sells a good product, but just fetching membership
@piramid scheme

Please dun lie to yourself thinking selling scented candles is going to make you rich.

Believe in the product and the sales will come naturally.

SYN BULLSHIT !!!!

MLM = Member Luring Member

I LOVE MLM... i loves to look at the figures during presentation... but i dun like to do ..LOL...

things getting interesting ... Plz comment more on this

I got a feeling bernard is coming to flame him

well, i'm kinda agree that MLM is the current trend for sucessing business in a short time. Most of all, you need a solid product that can promise a return sales, and also a strategic but transparent marketing plan to get the business rolling + recruiting new members.

but sad to say, ppl perception differs from place to place, in the State, MLM is widely accepted; while ppl in msia majority still thinks the mlm is a con job....well, education level.

This post has been edited by eddychstu: Jan 29 2007, 05:22 PM

Answer me few questions then:

1) What is ur so called MLM company name?
2) How long u had joined them?
3) Are you successful..yet?
4) Dun tell me the success rate, do u know the fail rate for those didn't make it?

Dun ask me to pm u to get the questions answered, it is just bullcrap

Hi guys,

I've just opened my own MLM company...
No direct selling needed..

U get money by referring downline under u...
No limit to number of member allowed and u only will get commision up to 3rd lvl....

U will only need to pay RM100 for joining fees and RM20 for membership renewal, once expired you will be out of the picture...

U will get 40% commission from your downline.

Pls PM me if u interested to join...
Remember the top always teh winnar..

using microsoft software > dealers earn money > microsoft corp. earn money > bill gates earn money.

screwing downline for not getting new member ?? for wat ? if downline getting new member who get the most profits(not only $$$) ?

I rather ask them to join cetak rompak

You MLM company it is the online one .. ppl get ppl ... ? And you host your own server ?

got any company in this world, the boss will not always earn ? who helping the boss to earn ?

I never said i joined MLM ... since u so agresive ..why dont you tell me wat MLM company you have joined ....

Wacky-angel, your scheme sounds more like ponzi scheme to me.
Real MLM doesnt take profit from recuiting members but more towards driving sales.

Anyway, from my point of view, MLM products are both overrated and overpriced, unless you have complete idea of what you're doing, steer clear from MLM. Even though they might be ligitimate, but they still sux

Why join when u can create one n ask them to join u instead, u earn more that way. Conclusion, smart guy will create 1 n askin people to join, dumb one will join so he has to work hard to benefit his top tier.

imho, these are the type of mlm that irritates ppl, avoid in all cost.

A well organised MLM company will never think of short term business. Take Amway for exp, for 20 years, they've evolved to a kind of strategic business and they are definately one of the most successful MLM company. i dun think the word, con or scam is suitable for successor like this.

i wish only if Nike do thier business in MLM style, then i'll get commission on every pair of shoes i purchased.

like wat i said, products and plan speaks.

This post has been edited by eddychstu: Jan 29 2007, 05:40 PM

Yeah sure...u want website? u will get one....
How hard to host webservew nowadays? RM25/month?

Wat ponzi? no lah...Mine is Bonzai...
Real MLM Is taking profit by recruiting member...the other one is Direct Sales.

Why sux?
I can guarantee my company will not bankrupt and, I as the sole Director cum CEO will not runaway...
More member the merrier...

editted :type

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 29 2007, 05:40 PM

Hi,

i'm also a believer in MLM. But from just your info above are you sure this is a genuie MLM company? All you ask is to enter, pay RM100 and renewal fee of rm20. And all new member under you get 40%

This more look like quick rich scheme to me.

MLM should be selling product. If you sell product, then you get commision. Getting more people to sell product will get you extra money. But without product just money is more like quick rich scheme.

as for me at the moment, i'm a member of mlm company kenshido who sell scoreA programe for standard 1- form3. MLM should have product, not money only.

thumb & thumb & thumb for you .....

Ppl trend to fear or avoid MLM is because of that kind of scheme la ....

Bleh.....who cares about wtf "quick rich" scheme...
All u want is money isnt it?

Dude u get 40% of recruitment fees and what u waiting for?
Come join me....

Why MLM should have product?
To cover the face so that "oh this MLM is genuine, they have good product" ??
U want product? i will give u one....
How about computer stuffs? RAM yeah....ppl are hungry for it....

Dude im not running a pasar malam ok?

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 29 2007, 05:45 PM

-OT-
Bonzai? Sounds great to me
Waive my joining fees and make me your board member then I shall join.
Me too shall not run away after getting 43589738467684379868 members and $34892891023940129409120490129491.

Products? Hmmm, we have products too. We shall take CAP AYAM dairy product and rebrand it as ours... All new members have to stock at least 100 of these great products.

This post has been edited by DeathWing: Jan 29 2007, 05:46 PM

For me, i dun fear MLM. I already a member but not active becos of too busy with my office job. U may look at it as a bad scheme that lure ppl into it. Instead of that, why not look it as a different ways?

For example, like Genting, Jusco, Esso... they all provide membership and we gets the benefits of buying their products. Same goes to Amway ke, Cosway ke, Shaklee ke, anything... joining their membership will also give u the benefits like enjoying discounted price for members, commisen...etc, the more products u buy, the more rewards u get... For Jusco & Genting, u buy things from there, yes u earn points and get to change things but for MLM companies, u earn cash and trips which is more attractive... From wat I know, Amway ke, Cosway ke, Shaklee ke, they are well known provider and manufacturing good qualities supplements...

If you think upline is making profits out of downline... then I think those who think like tat, they do not understand about MLM system. When the downline gets promoted to certain level, they will be detached from their upline and their upline wont get any money at all... in that case, the MLM company will compensate the upline as a bonus... And wats wrong with direct selling? As long as they provide good service and good products then its a good sales...

Yahooooo ....... thumb for you ...
Thats wat I call MLM .... many ppl dont even understand it then say it is bad la, cheating la , scam la .... so unfair ....

Yahoooooo

yeah but how much % of commisions they get from recruiting?
Mine gives 40% and they give 0.5% ?
Thats why mine only get commission until 3rd lvl

MLM is not cheating or scamming or anything.
But most of the times, they tend to sell over priced products that dont stand up to the claims by the companies. You cant say they are cheating when they are only taking in more money by selling low quality products because most of the time there arent any similar products to be compared with.

Moreover, your "successful" Amway corp. has created so much controversies over the years. Not to say their brain washing sessions are so legendary that they embed half truths and gives false hopes for newbies who wish to earn quick money.

They made me sit down and listen to their crappy shit for 4 hours without stop. Even when their office is going to shut down for the night, they want to bring me to a mamak to talk more crap to me because i haven't and didn't want to sign on any single shit. Desperate beings, i'm scared of such people, tsk tsk.

join mine....
I dont give BS lecture...
Its either u in or u're out.....remember teh rule...40% commission for recruiting and thats all u need to do.

lot of dumbasses and I don't know where to start

1. If you're upline, you have tons of useless downline, you won't earn any shit
2. If you're upline, you have satay downline instead of multiple downline, you won't earn any shit
3. If you think selling product and earn BV to get bonus, that's not multi level marketing, that is one level marketing, hence, fail
4. You need to make your downline to be a real shit ass (successful in MLM term) in order for you to climb up
5. Direct selling, meaning selling the product to the end user, without a network (upline downline shit) you won't earn anything decent, don't be a fool

the concept of MLM is simple, you join, and you find more other useless people to follow as your downline, boost each other ego repeatly and show it to other people, cheat the other network for few times, put pressure the the MLM company about your network, making multiple useless functions, and finally move your network to the next company after awhile. repeat every 4 years.

good ...very good summary

ermm... u cant say Amway is overprice at all... for retailer products in Amway maybe yes but for Amway own products then No... Amway's supplements & household products involve in good qualities and R&D and tight QCQA process... They provide the finest quality products... how can u justify this for overprice? dont you agree so?

Advice to those interested people. If u interested in MLM, please look for well establish MLM company becos they have good legal & financial backups...

This post has been edited by takeshi99: Jan 29 2007, 06:11 PM

agree on every sentance
but looking on another side, this is what that drives them to evolve.

mlm is like most of the ppl says, the pioneer will always win; but who are the pioneers if everybody thinks alike?

Other thing to consider as untouched by this thread as yet.

There are plenty of ppl who are not interested in MLM, just 'cause they're just not interested in the thing at all. However, such disinterest can very quickly turn into paranoia indeed when approached by MLM ppl who just simply cannot take no for an answer despite having 'no' being told to them multiple times.

That as well as the failure to speak honestly on the failure rates of those who gets involved in MLM throws dirt on the reputation on the entire business model itself. One may argue that nobody will show the downsides of their business model, but this runs counter towards the entire model of MLM marketing itself, since its often shown as how different it is from other things and so forth. Basically the inconsistancy involved in the marketing tactics.

And finally: http://merchantsofdeception.com/

Shows that while the MLM model can have its good side, it also shows how easily abused it can get.

MLM is not a scam but they don't tell you the whole truth.They tell you one part and conveniently left out the other truths.
for eg:-


Half truth:- If you join us, you can earn 20-30K easily a month just by recruiting downlines and drive a BMW just like me. No need to work so hard.

The whole truth:- The chances of a person joining a MLM and making big bucks is less than 0.7%. Means that 993 ppl out of 1000 ppl will lose money. Also most MLM people have to work very hard to recruit and entertain thier potential downlines and face many rejections. Also the 20-30K income will not be consistent, if you downline stop growing your income stops as well.

" There are ppl who make things happen, there are ppl who see things happen, and there are ppl who asked "what happened?"

i find the quote funny, but this basically categorized the type of ppl..

This post has been edited by eddychstu: Jan 29 2007, 06:42 PM

for god sake why every MLM-ers is talking the same thing again and again without fail no matter which network you're from.
can't you guys gives us something different?

Well basically for me, real MLM company need product to sell. If no product, then its not MLM more like quick rich scheme.

To be a succesfull MLM company there need 2 things.

1. Exclusive product to sell
2. Good reward system

Now, it you look around, most MLM company sell what?

1. Beauty Product
2. Health Product
3. Household Product - Water filter etc2

To be a succesfull MLM pruduct is the main thing. Without good quality exclusive product, people wont buy and competitor easy to follow.

Example of very succesfull MLM company - Amway, Shakley, Cosway. These are a few company that sell good and exclusive product.They had survive for more than 3 years. Amway was way back (More than 15 years)

There are laws about MLM company/trade

Anyway there is a new product call ScoreA which also sell through MLM and currently one of the hottest MLM product. Its been around since 1999 and have been widely promote throughout Malaysia.

Why does MLM requires product anyway?
U want product i'll give u some cream or shampoo to sell then

Wtf is wrong with quick rich scheme?
All u WANT IS MONEY

Come on join my network, u get 40% of commission and I absolutely wont run away..

This thread is starting to attact the anti-mlm's...good good...show that we are againsts it

any more comment ?
Why dont I start a pool that see who will go for MLM and who will anti-MLM ....

i for sure will go against...hehehe

tell u my story, my gf's fren, approached my gf and asked her "what is your dream car", then he said join his bloody thing and she will get her dream car in three months.... until now... a few years liao, that guy still riding motorbike

another fren, still in college, doin all these shit... and later she said, i don wan to work after graduating, full time mlm, goyang kaki also can earn money... after graduating, she didnt work for 4 months, now masuk bank work again...

the biggest problem with i don care is drect sales or network marketing or mlm or o0o, they are all the same, desperate ppl being cheated to think that they can get rich doing all these shit? don be so naive la... so many ppl approached me, and NONE, i repeat, NONE that i know off can even afford a 80k car..... , don even talk bout bmws or fairladies....

if it is so freaking easy to get rich, then is there a meaning of rich left? everyone will be rich, then who are the poors? if there are no poor people, will there be rich ppl? if it is so easy to be rich, why are there so many ppl still doing a 9 - 5 job? cos they are stupid? cos they are not open minded? cos they are idiots who doesnt know how to grab the opportunity to buy a bmw 5 series in 3 months time??

no offense, but i think most mlms or direct sales or network marketing or o0o or watever u call them, are not selling any products? they are selling a dream to be rich, products are just to well... maybe to make them look legal.... and the thing i really hate is they like to cheat the weak... college students, damn... secondary school kids u also mau tipu?? where is your pride? i will be ashamed to do tat.... maybe they are naive as well, but deceiving them and taking advantage of them is really bad...

end of part 1.... if there is a part 2

And what good will that be? A more suitable poll will be on reasons on why ppl dun think much of MLMs. In fact, that is what most MLM ppl ought to look into so they can see why they've got such a bad name.

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Added on January 30, 2007, 1:16 amWell, the one similarity that MLMs and those direct sales places such as cobra and so forth has got is on how they make use of the mass recruitment tactics. Basically recruiting as many ppl as they can in the hopes of getting that one or 2 in every thousand or so that can be a good downline.

Recruitment tactics r very similar as well, the usual promises, without telling the full story, and the stubborn refusal of quite a lot of the recruiters to take a simple no for an answer despite having the same answer being repeated to them multiple times.


This post has been edited by fyire: Jan 30 2007, 01:16 AM

my fren who works in a bank told me about 3 LB guys sharing a loan for a BMW.. haha so successful also need 3 to share meh? they go around meetings n places each taking a turn to 'impress' the 'sky-trues'.

there was another time when a fren's fren parked his ferrari nearby a LB meeting area. as they were leavin after the meeting one LB guy pointed at the ferrari n claim it belongs to a very succesful LB top member and the audience .. wahhhh so good so good .. if u join LB u can even get better than this!

personally, majority of us are not comfortable approaching frens nor approached by frens selling these 'products' and its not cheap few hundred to thousands. it gets really pissed when a yum cha session is nothing more than highly acclaimed succesful mlm stories over n over again. even more pissed when they gang up together lets say ratio 10 to 1 to 'pressure' u a bit into becoming them.

for u newbies who thinks MLM is for u i wish u best of luck. for my frens who are doing it, plz return to yourself, wake up! plz stop dreaming n stop asking to borrow money from ppl to finance your business. how many more years you want to dream and owe ppl money!?!?

you wanna be rich? if you are given option 1, born a millionare papa's son, option 2 strike a lottery jackpot, option 3 brush up ur tackling skills n marry a rich man's daugther, option 4 work your ass up to the top. i dont care how good MLM is, how many millionares it produces yearly and whatever the goodshit bout it. i cant do it, i dont wanna try it and call me stupid/stuborn/etc .. my yumcha sessions i rather talk cock sing song play pingpong.

easy, coz MLM is scam. Only 5% people earn money. The rest got food to eat or lamp to display.

Well, that's the one bit that MLM ppl can never admit to. The total success ratio among all their recruits Most likely they'll just go on saying that the numbers r not relevant, as they can get very discouraging.

Thread reopen since the TS stated his intention to know more about MLM. Any advertisements will however cause the thread to be closed permanently. Please avoid from posting 1 liners as feedbacks to posts. Thank you.

This post has been edited by LaR_c: Jan 30 2007, 12:26 PM

oi ahwooi,

why u care wat ppl said about mlm?
all i see u "yahoo...thumbs up etc etc"
are you trying to educate ppl to luve mlm?
as stated u dont even join one.why u give a damn to change ppl mind?
from wat i see u dont even wanna knw more about mlm.when ppl give u negative feedback u differ it.u only agree/happy when ppl like mlm.
so wat is your point?

mlm is a pyramid scam with product. plz dont compare it with convetional biz idea...bill gate earn profit bcoz he own the microsoft stock. only idiot compare to such when they got no knowledge in biz at all.

so which mlm u from?

Yeah, MLM is definitely a scam. Selling product that we don't need. Better go buy bird nest than buy MLM product. MLM product may do more harm than good. The only direct sales that is good is Insurance. Do bother other direct sales. They just want to cheat your hard earn money. You think no money start business? Go find client is not money ar?

What he wants to know anyway?
MLM is simple...

Its either u recruit downline or sell stuffs to get comission....

One question that MLMers will always lie or refuse to tell you the truth by diverting the question.

What is the past success rate of being successful in your xxx company's MLM?

You see if there are more and more anti MLMers, it would mean their market will be smaller and hence thier income will be less, and it will be harder for them to recruit. When they can't recruit, their income will also stop.
That is why I believe those pro MLMers are trying very hard to brainwash the people and also the reason why this thread exists.

my fren just bankrupt due mlm...something call lamp berger.

There's already plenty of articles on the web documenting how a MLM is not a sustainable business modem, I don't know why does someone asks without doing their research to begin with.

Also, the reason why MLM prospers is because well... you know what they say, 1 born every minute.

It's all about knowing what you want, what are you going to do with your want and ultimately it's about who you know. To be a part of an MLM is to be persistent, patient, and don't give a damn what people say.

Of course, my advice does work. Most of the time anyway.

okay... lets shorten everything this thread is saying...

Remember studiotraffic back in 2005? Was it hot?
Well, i invested in it too.
Before i started to invest USD3k, i am just a normal member investing USD90 to get my account to be USD100 so that i could make a withdrawal. It came to my attention that i've received a cheque amounting USD9.50 as i played for 13 days minus some charges. I sent it to Maybank but it was rejected as they charge on the conversion of the cheque to Ringgit Malaysia but no doubt, the cheque is genuine.
I continued with studiotraffic till July,2005 where studiotraffic officially opened Studiopay in Kelana Jaya, PJ. I then invested USD3k where my returns are huge. People in malaysia started trusting studiotraffic as they get their cheque each month. I even recruited a member investing USD9k where i could get commision of 10% from the amount of the investment made by my members... I've already told them that having a higher pay means higer risk. I didn't push him to join me but he still joins as he is a risk taker. He too received numerous cheque from studiopay. But when December comes, the company itself stated many reasons for the delay. And at the end, Studiotraffic shut down. Many people owe others money as they promised they will pay them back for whatever they've invested.

So, the conclusion in Malaysia is that many are very "kiasu" They will not believe in whatever they hear untill they experience it. MLM is difficult task.... but is a traditional business easy? try asking yourself that...

I have to agree that doing MLM is not easy to be succesfull.... but i ask myself this.. If i continue to working for 10 years in whatever industry i am doing, would i be successfull?

You start working as a normal staff in a company... after sometime, your get to be promoted to be a supervisor of that department.... and after maybe 2-3 years working, you might be promoted to be manager of the department.... and after 10 years working as a manager, do you think you will be promoted to be a CEO or whatsoever? I believe not unless you are relative to that company itself. And by working in a industry, to be promoted, you will have to poke many people's back to show that you are hard working and not like them. Thats what i don't like...

There are more than 2k of direct sales companies in Malaysia but only 1% of them are more than 10 years whereby 10 years is the minimum requirement of how stable the company is. And there are only a few of them which are DSAM certified.

Another concept of MLM is for people's life to get better... not investing a huge amount of money in hope of getting a larger amount back. A piece of advise... do investigate the company that you are spending your future on before deciding joining them or not. You cannot blame others if you join and failed... its your own choice.

There is another case of MLM... MLM is said to let people earn money. But there are 90% of MLM company requires members to renew their membership by paying an amount of money... Lets take an example of Amway. I am not sure how much they pay to be a member and how much are their renewal fees... Just take an example of RM10 for renewal fees. If Amway have 1 billion of members, their turnover with just membership renewal fees would be RM10 billion.So, in other words, the company is earning more than the Distributor themself.

* No hard feelings if i had offended others. I am just sharing my thoughts.

The other example is selling lamp, Last time they have a concept of investing RM 30k and ask them to find other 5 member to invest the same amount so that you can be more succesfull.... but in my thoughts, if 1 person invest RM30k, 6 person would have RM180k already. Would they be successfull in it? They are unsure too... but with RM180k, i would rather open chain of stores selling HP or other stuff as at least if the business is not good, i still could sell of all the HPs without any profit margin to gain back what i've invested in. Do you agree with me?

anyone here personally know someone who became millionare through MLM??

i prefer not to join MLM.. who's with me?

i have a question. Is amway the bad guy or the distributor? imho, the problem come from those ppl who tell other ppl dat they can be millionare by joining mlm and sell thier thing. and why did they say this? bcoz they wan to be millionare themself. so they need some1 to help push them up. but do they care about thier downline? or do they care about the money? so, wat cause all these?

hope this will not offend anyone. ^^

Check this out: http://merchantsofdeception.com/

Free download of the book too.

Basically, Amway is the example in the book of a system that's been taken advantage of by its top level distributors.

I made the decision of not wanting to join any MLM based on this question:
Are you willing to sacrifice your TV/games/paktoh/personal time doing MLM (and hopefully be successful in it) ?

No, I've got a job, and I want to spend my non-working hours for my own time. I'm not a sales-person, I don't persuade people that well, and most importantly I hate to introduce MLM/business prospect/opportunities to others.

I will only let others know about a certain product/service when I have used it for some time, and like it. And probably then will I consider advertising for that product/service, and if they've got an opening for a MLM business partner, why not? I will still continue to use the product, and I'm familiar enough to recommend a good stuff to others, willingly and naturally.

Or for this reason: I'm serious about getting rich faster by doing sales (MLM is sales) and willing to sacrifice a certain amount of time doing it part time first, then full-time if all goes well.

Other brainwashing/examples/statements might get me interested, but in the end it's still back to the question above. I'll rather not take the risk and get some-part time job instead... at least I'm not forcing myself doing something I don't like...

This post has been edited by sting79: Feb 8 2007, 04:13 AM

Doing MLM should be like what you said in the bold. MLM itself has a good marketing plan. It is just the distributors of some sort that made people misunderstand the concept of MLM.

And yes. I'm wiling to sacrifice my TV/games/paktoh/personal time doing MLM. Cuz i don't want my life to be just as ordinary. I don't mind being a millionaire if i could but at least, i want to live a life of debt free. Ask yourself... do you own a car? I said own that means paid wholely where you don't apply for loan. I myself don't. When you have nothing to lose, why not give it a try. It might make your life a turning point. but if you failed to do so, yes you will loose your TV/games/paktoh/personal time. But heck, you've gain whole lots of experience. Learn lots of things that you don't get to learn from the society.

Does everyone born to be a sales person? Is selling a product call persuading? or was it convincing? and when your regular customer sees your determination in MLM, they will tend to ask you how you are getting on. By then, you can start explaining the business to them. Its not like you will have to introduce all the details to one particular person that might/might not have interest in at all.

Most of the time, doing MLM would be best starting from a part time. Cuz you don't earn a stable income from that particular MLM company yet. To be a good upline, one should know the needs of your downline and to guide them the proper way to start the part time business. I myself did consult my upline saying that i want to do the business full time but she gave me a hit on the head saying that i'm not ready as i don't have a stable income in the MLM industry yet. I also asked my upline if i could change my car to make myself look more successfull.... She knock my head again telling me that don't try to fly when you don't even know how to walk correctly.

There are MLM that will brainwash others... but i would say that it all depends on one self. They chose to believe in that particular MLM and they work for it. That is fair enough.. Everyone have their own wisdom through experience and i believe they could decide if they want to accept the fact that MLM is the next kin of sales. Those that were called "Brainwashed" should be given respect for as they stood there for you to splash cold water. And when they get home, their family get worried if he would be cheated as there are many companies out there loves to cheat for their own benefits.

well..mlm is do-able ler... itz depends on u urself...
does dat think it sux, will of cuz never succeed in it..does dat think itz doable n strive on will definitely succeed,,
n years later, they will b rich enuff to ask those dat think mlm sux " so, u stil think mlm canot bcum rich?"

I'm only against the ethics of them driving a nice car into university and start brainwashing students to think that they too can do it, use their student loan, etc etc... My brother was one.

I've secondary schoolmate who was so gung-ho into MLM that he skipped SPM exam. Don't know if he was brainwashed into thinkin education is useless (Robert Kiyosaki anyone?) or what... but he is now... a waiter... doing credit card sales on the side. I seriously pity him and his false hope/beliefs.

Yes... its true... i too are against the ethics of them driving a nice car into Uni... But many got rich from MLM does not do that... most of them that does that are faking it... Faking that they got loads of cash from MLM...

Skipping SPM exam aint a good thing to do unless of course you are to persue further studies abroad... Robert Kiyosaki didn't think that education is useless... its a part of life. He mention that getting too much education does means that you will earn more... He didn't succeed is because he didn't choose the right path of the MLM i belief.

True...im saying MOST here means 98% who does MLM does have nice and shining wheels on the roads, but have u guys ever figure out who knows behind the scenes they are carrying million tons of useless shit to pay their loans off n get their bankrupcy certificates. And made their names to the top of the blacklist. Com'on get real of the tru life, if mlm makes u rich that fast, most ppl in malaysia dun hav to work shit man. I've seen now those mlm worms tryna brainwash students, and thats a fact, com'on man, look at them, they are still young and u failed their future being at least SOMEONE in the world. Who knows u mlm fellas ruin our future malaysian successful ppl. So always keep in mind, u guys wanna recruit get ppl pls dun ruin ppls life. Sorry for being FED UP, cus i dun wanna see failures in my country as i respect all people here. If u do wanna get rich or be successful is alwasy better to start ur own business creatively. Get to the real world not the DARK!

whn people ask me to join their MLM in klcc putra or whn u walk across kl.. i pretend to enjoy their conversation and get their card.. later ill jus ignore it. unless thy really hv substantial evidence that they are worth investing time in. other thn tat.

ahwooi.. try not to take mlm too much to heart. everybody hv their own likes and dislikes. if u like it so be it. dont try to change wat people dont like. get a grip of yself

there are people who rip lots and those tat do not. naturally the winners would want to spread the word around. and the "not-so-lucky' batch would also spread how thy made a huge loss in it.. its all about luck and hardwork..

so NOT everyone WILL prosper in the MLM business

if u happen to be KUDOS thn!

If you dont know anything,dont make yourself sound like a fool here.What rubbish are you talking about?

I tell you,if you do MLM with 100 members but all of them inactive oso u wont get a single sen !! If you have juz 10 members who are all active you will reap the profits! Go read up!

MLM= getting member?

Do you know MLM you need to sell stuff too? The harder ur downline work,the more rewards you n ur downline get .So its not only the top who gain,but the downline will sure get they commision.

Cant stand the stupidity of some ppl nowadayz!

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Added on February 10, 2007, 2:57 pmMLM is not for everyone.You dont have the attitude to do it,you will fail lah no matter what.

I overheard my colleagues saying "Some ppl work their asses off 10 hours a day,get promoted to CEO and now working 14 hours a day" Go figure..


This post has been edited by sarahho: Feb 10 2007, 02:57 PM

why is doing MLM = ruinning lives?!?
dont talk abt all those scams that make u go in debts...i believe with the right choice and right method mlm can actually succeed. i have frens doing LB, everyone says its a scam right? i personally thot so too. but with the right method he's actually earning a lot. and when i say right method it does not include cheating n borrowing/lending money.
u mention starting own business creatively is better rite? what if i there is a mlm company that helps you do that? let u be the boss, open ur own unique cafe, shop, any interesting business plan etc. i actually know one. i did not join becos i dont think mlm or starting business is my cup of tea (at least not now), but after i listen to the whole company concept i totally buy it. the person havent even told us abt any marketing plans, just the concept alone is very interesting edi. unlike any traditional mlm i've heard b4 and of cos, not scam la. the person who intro to me abt this thing is the youngest ACCA holder (no idea wat issit, something to do with accounting cert and apparently its very prestigious in the accounting world?) she's not more than 25, and her knowlegde in all MLM really impressed me.
eh i sound like i'm promoting edi but anyway my point is, not all mlm are bad. if ur into this type of business, then choose WISELY. it will not ruin any lives.

100% agreed. a good mlm is all abt quality, not quantity. of cos its best when u have both. but a good mlm will always prefer QUALITY over quantity. so again, u have to choose wisely on which mlm company to join.


on another note, i dont totally disagree with fast-money scheme as part time. of cos before u join, do enough research n analysis to ensure that its not a scam, and start of with minimized risk. some mlm are for future money, some r fast money but short term, as in u earn a lot the first 1 or 2 years, then the whole thing slow down n eventually it dies out. so wat? i earn wat i can for that 2 years la. its all abt money isnt it. as long as i earn, dont lose money then who cares wat product they sell. product is important, but what's more important is the marketing plan can work. and NO, its not my brainwashing or cheating. approach the right ppl, be honest with them wat issit ur doing n if they buy ur plan, then seal it. if not, then just forget it and continue on other more interesting topics to talk la...no point forcing ppl to join..cos they wont do any work if they join unwillingly.

im just giving my honest opinions.. dont mean to offend anyone

This post has been edited by xsaintx: Feb 10 2007, 03:41 PM

xsaintx, You are both right and wrong.

If you intend to just earn 1 or 2 years fast cash and think that its only about money, then you should be doing some other buy and sell things... not MLM.... cuz in MLM, as one's upline, we wouldn't want to destroy the dreams/future of our downline. They bestow their trust on you and you leave them be after you gain your pot of gold? I wouldn't want to do that...

For me, after gaining my pot of gold, i would also help my downline gaining it. I would be even happier if my downline be even more successfull than me as they go up the stage thanking the me who brought the career/business to him. You will feel very proud. The more downline being succecssfull, the happier you are even if the downline makes more money than you do.

i mentioned that we have to be totally honest with wat we're doing.. so when telling ppl abt the fast money mlm, u also must include the fact that it might b short term, its only up to the person to judge whether its worth it to join at that time or not.
when u have downlines of cos u need to help them. becos helping them = helping urself. u can only help ur immediate downlines or maybe up to a few generations..when the network grows too big, we dont even know the ppl then its hard to help..summore when its short term mlm.
if after 1 or 2 years the mlm is still going well/strong, then i will continue doing it. but i have to stop eventually when it gets to a point that everyone has heard abt it, everyone is doing it or rumours start to pop out saying that mlm is scam bla bla bla..then it will b difficult to continue isnt it? i will then advise my dl's to stop also n together we will look for other similar mlm to invest in.


i used to anti mlm also..that time my mindset is similar to some ppl, that mlm r scams..mlm very annoying cos it force ppl to buy their products etc. when my bf joined amway, i totally did not like it. then i gave myself a chance to actually understand wat he is doing, why is he doing it and how is he doing it. i've attended numerous meetings n seminars together with him.. now i understand how mlm work, and i dont discourage him from joining anymore. currently he's joined 3 mlm edi, each with diff concept... future money, fast money, and start ur own business (like i mentioned in the previous post). so wat i do now is, when ppl approach me with any marketing plans, i set my mind to neutral mode n give myself a chance to hear what he/she has to say. then if i dont like it, i will reject. if it sounds good n is trustworthy, why not give it a try?

This post has been edited by xsaintx: Feb 10 2007, 08:34 PM

what's the difference between mlm and direct sales? are they the same thing?

but anyhow, i dont hate this mlm thingie. i just hate it when ppl keep bugging me around eventho i reject them already. This is very annoying. I hate this sentence "i have a business proposal to share with you. we are good friends. that's why i must share this proposal with you. I know you want earn more money. Let's work hard and earn them together" so to mlm ppl, is that your universal sentence in recruiting ppl? be honest ya. if that is what your upline taught you, tell him i point my middle finger to him.

mlm with good products, i accept them. i will not join them eventho if their products are reasonable, i might buy from them. eg: cosway cookies/tidbits are yummy to me and cant be found in any other stores. i dont join them, but i buy them from my relative who is a cosway member. im not a member of buffalo, but i bought their kitchen utensils. it's not bcos i support them, it's because i acknowledge their quality.

Mlm with stupid products like gold coins and dunno what candle lah. gold coins that has no value but cost rm2k? gimme a break. stop conning ppl telling your gold coins will worth like rm10k after 10yrs. the coins have no value outside the network. which means only sama jenis ppl which joined the same MLM that offer that coins will think that those coins are worth like 10k after 10yrs. for me, that kind of mlm is like "friend cheating friend". today, my friend cheated me. tommorow, i will cheat my best friend. then my best friend cheat my good friend. then my good friend cheat his mother. one word, lame.
and the candle thingie, well u know lah. candle can make ppl healthier and poorer. doh...

I think you misunderstood, people dont fear MLM... ppl find it annoying.

MLM= Multi Level Marketing. I believe the word Multi Level says it all (Time Leveraging technique used by your boss. And you get what you work for without salary but with good commisions/profits)

Direct Sales = I too believe that the word DIRECT says it all too... (1 level only. Usually, they will be paid a salary to carry out their task.)

Those sentences they uses nowadays are meant to be used towards business building minded people. Not meant for young adults/college students/working range of people.
*This is not a fact and its only my personal opinion.

Dear TS,
What makes you think people is AFRAID of MLM?

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Added on February 14, 2007, 2:51 pmOpps, didn't notice Casanova has state it.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Feb 14 2007, 02:51 PM

Browsing through the web late at night and i came across this one..

Talking about MLM, i have friends who joined this LB thingy and they were bragging about themselves. Saying how much are their teamwork and bla bla bla. I even joined them for their meetings. Boy, they acted like they are doing a mission impossible. With laptops and suitcases in a cafe, all dressed formally. A gal from that team called me to join them. So, i joined their discussion. Look professional from the outside, but not so sure for their inside. So finally, a couple who is doing LB came to my house and talked to my dad. My dad asked him one question. Before he asked him that question, the guy was bragging about his education level. Did a degree overseas which took him 4 years time and he rather choose LB rather than working in his degree field. So my dad asked him, your car (he's driving a Wira), you pay full amount or what? He answered hmm.. through installment. I will manage to pay the full amount of the car in 7 years. What!! You can say you are being successful in LB and you need to pay your car through installment for 7 years. Can you believe it?
Another guy, he said he invested RM 30k into LB, but look at him now. He's only a staff working his ass off in a cyber cafe with an income below RM 2k.
Another friend of mine, called me few months ago, so i asked him how are you and so on.. Came to the question, what are you doing now? He said i joined LB and i'm earning RM 10k a month. I said wah... Okay.. Guess what happened to the guy now? He called me last saturday and i asked again, what are you doing right now??? HE said oh, i'm helping my dad to sell cars. I said what happened to your LB thingy then? He told me he had disagreement with his team. Funny huh? You are earning RM 10k a month and just because of a slighty disagreement with your team and you can just walked off from the money.. Furthermore, the guy just had a form 5 cert.
Another case, happened in my old college. NIC. My bf was recruited by him (a head of department of engineering back then) to join LB. He said he 's gonna quit his job as a head of department with a salary of RM 4k a month to become a full time MLM. Then, he asked my bf to join him. But he did not mention clearly about his plan of recruiting him to join MLM. He just told him that his friend has a company which is very successful now. My bf told me and said the HOD is gonna bring him to see the company one day. Finally, came to that day.. My bf want to bring me along but the HOD do not allow me to follow. So my bf, left me in Midvalley while he followed the HOD back to his home in CHeras. We waited a few hours, then around 7 plus in the evening, my bf called me and asked me to join him in CHeras as the HOD still havent show him the company. Fetch me from Midvalley to Cheras and then left me alone in the HOD apartment while both of them head off to this so called company. My bf just realised then that he's recruiting him to join MLM. SPending hours there and by the time he got back to the apartment, it was already midnight. We were forced to sleepover there. Next time, the HOD really quit his job and work full time MLM. The last time i heard about him, he's back in education line.. WOrking as a small lecturer.
However, my cousin brother is working for MLM company that has to do with coins. Well, seems to me he has been successful. He joined the MLM thingy when he was studying in KL and now, he's a full time MLM. From what i heard, he's earning RM 6-7k a month now.
If you ask me, why i did not join him and i have to bear with my small allowance given by my parents and the hard earned money i earned from my business, i'll say MLM is too risky. For instance, i just joined MLM and i'm trying to recruit downline so i go for my good friend, A. I told her, dont worry.. We sure can make huge money out of this business, all you need to do is just invest RM 2++k into it, then we look for more friends or family members to join us.. As time goes on, we'll be able to buy more expensive clothes and BMWs. Think again..WHat am i dealing with my good friend, A here? I'm dealing with our friendship TRUST!! If the business is good, we enjoy the profit. But what if the business doesnt work out, A is gonna blame me or what?
It's not worthy to sell our trust to one another just for the sake of money. Especially trust that we have build in years. It's too risky for that.. AFterall, our trust to each other only worth RM 2++k? No right?
I;m writing this long, so that people could think probably before they decide whether they want to join the MLM.

that is why MLM is so unethical, even if their "business" is "legal". they will brag about their 3% success but hide the truth of the other 97% who failed. in order to put up a good show, many resort to loans to buy their cars, houses and wearing nice suits. some even went to the extend of borrowing luxury cars from their uplines just to impress their potential customers. but in fact, many of them are just empty shells on the inside; who gave up their eduaction or job. so what if they fail (most probably they will) and join that 97% failure group? they will have nothing to fall back on. thousands of dollars just gone like that. the banks/loan sharks will come breathing down their necks and they will become the society rejects due to strained relationships with families and friends. i've seen many broken families due to this. students misuse their PTPN loans for this MLM and some even to the extend of lying to their parents to get the investment money. and i also have a MLM friend who invested 30k as a good example. 3 years ago, he gave up his career as a designer. been doing good with stable income. he went to borrow money from family and siblings. now 3 years later, he is still not successful and even worse, ended up back in hometown, daydreaming his future away and feeding on his family. another friend of mine started MLM 6 years ago. been doing all kinds of MLM. 6 years later, still not successful and also feeding on family back at hometown. imagine if he had started to work, he will be having a very comfortable life now. in 6 years you can have job promotions and also salary increment if you work hard.

for those who are interested to join, don't just fall easily to the nice dollar figures, cars and expensive suits they show you. they won't show their failure. go do your own research and see the bad side as well. so that you know whether you are up for the fall and consequences. do know that if you fall, you'll fall so hard and deep that it leaves a strain to your relationship and your financial status.

now for MLMers (especially those unethical ones). i know you guys are targeting students and youngsters. because you know it's a huge market there and many of them are gullible. you also know that many of them don't have the money to join. so you somehow coax them to withdraw their study loans or lie to parents for the money. back off now because you guys are doing a big sin. you are ruining their life and their future. if you think your plan is really that successful, go find the rich bosses and tycoons for your cause. see how they will respond and grill you on your display car and suits even before you start introducing your plan.

In MLM, a member's fortune is another member's lost as it work more or less like a pyramid scheme. By the way, please do not confused with direct sales as MLM. Not all direct sales are MLM based, in fact most aren't.

but sadly, many direct sales are moving into the direction of MLM. and many MLMers also confuse the public by denying their business as MLM but say it is direct sales. so by mixing the bad eggs in the basket, the whole basket is spoilt

That is really bad. It is as if the name MLM is not tarnished enough & now wanted to spread the disease over to direct sales.

Well, in the first place, those MLM places can blame themselves for most of their negativity attributed to them anyways. Their recruiting tactic is very much a hit and miss thing. For every recruit that they managed to grab, they probly ended up pissing off hell of a lot of other ppl along the way.