MLM is not a bad.. its just another business opportunity.. Im an amway distributor.. my parents is in the business for more than 20 years now.. before i was born.. and they are executive diamonds (if you know wats that ><")..

i grow up in an amway family.. went overseas with my parents to many countries.. and i know what well Amway treat their distributor.. even when i was a kid.. they treated me really well.. (Amway travel seminar is FOC if u qualified for it.. and u even get pocket money when u reach there)..

but this is not important.. Its not alwiz bout earning big bucks.. life is not just bout earning money.. u dont have to be in MLM field to earn good money.. u can earn good money elsewhere.. i respect ppl in other field and professions.. different ppl have different preferences and different ways to live their life..

But there are many more good values behind the company.. the values and vision of the two founders of Amway really impressed me.. this is why after i graduated from my studies ( degree in psychology) i choose Amway.. at least its a really good company for me.. i can earn good money in my own professions.. if u ask me.. i will tell u that i dont like to sell things to ppl.. but i just treat it as a business.. my own business..

Many ppl fear of MLM.. mayb becoz some ppl do it in an extreme way.. some people are just too aggressive.. that is why ppl feel annoyed by them.. but in everywhere MLM company.. i believe there are good and bad ppl.. it just depends on how they do it.. just like LB.. i believe there are still ppl who do it using the right way.. i also believe that there are ppl who are doing amway using the wrong way.. so it just depends on wat kinda ppl u met..

To answer some of boon's question.. different group of ppl in amway uses slightly different method in building their network.. but they are all doing the amway business.. as for network 21.. they are using the pipeline system.. and for meiyan.. im not trying to offend you.. if you think that network 21 is the best.. think bout it again.. have a look in the recent amagram where amway banned the stacking system..

for maintaining 5k per months.. it depends on how big your network is.. if your network is big.. the sales volume for you and each and everyone in your group will be very lil.. but u can earn 5k just be selling products all by urself.. personal sales also possible to earn 5k a month.. so it really depends.. if you would like to know more.. i can explain more detail to you.. just answering your question.. i wont force you to join.. haha..

this is wat i think la.. if u wana flame me.. go ahead lo.. im just sharing my view ><"

Ya..totally agree with you.. different people have different needs and goals in life.. that's why i dont usually force people to join.. if you're interested u join me.. not interested ? nvm.. we r still friends.. its just an business opportunity i wana share.. thats all

actually the marketing plan is pretty simple.. but i just dont know how to put int words.. yes.. implementing dreams and goals in life might work for some ppl.. but might not work for others.. so it really depends on ur style to tok bout the business..

what i usually do is i tok bout the business background and the products.. i think this is wat important in a business.. no one would work for a company that is not stable.. products is very important.. only with good product you will have good business.. then i will jump straight into the marketing plan.. i think these are wat that matters.. business is a business.. so i tok only bout business.. u interested then we can tok more.. haha

yea.. in some cases.. after u success u dont ahve to work anymore.. but in other cases.. u still nid to work abit wan la.. like my dad.. he's been semi retired for more than 15 years la.. but my dad really really very lazy la.. slp late late.. wake up play com.. play bonzai.. but he still nid to conduct meeting.. however.. like my dad's business in thailand.. he just leave it there.. more than 20 years never go back thailand.. but the business keep growing by itself.. but doing something is a must la.. he will still call back once in awhile to ask bout the situation there

one thing i do not agree with most people saying that amway product is pricey.. actually amway product is more economic.. ofcoz u have to use it the right way la..

for an example, our dish detergent.. its rm20+ for 1 litre.. the price is ofcoz high if you compare to those selling in tesco for only rm3.. however, becoz our detergent is concentrated.. we nid to add water to it.. for normal use.. the ratio would be (detergent) 1:8 (water).. so this 1 litre of detergent.. u can make it into around 15 bottles.. if u do the maths.. its cheap.. i wouldnt say its the cheapest but i think the price is very very reasonable

in addition, our product is environmental friendly.. it will not polute our environment.. becoz its bio degradable.. if you're interested.. u can search in the net.. will get more information on it.. so if u ask me.. i would say its cheap and worth the price.. but dont listen to me.. coz im a amway distributor.. ofcoz i will tell u its good.. do some research yourself.. u will find out more..

most of our products are concentrated.. if u use the wrong amount.. it will be very expensive ofcoz.. so it really depends.. again.. dont listen to me la.. check it out by urself.. haha.. u can try the product if u like.. not satisfied.. 100% money back guarantee.. no question ask ^^

yea.. i have to agree with u again boon.. many ppl neglected the importance of products.. without good product.. no business !!

erm.. i guess its not easier in every business to start off.. but one thing i can see from my parents with my own eyes... is that all my hard work now is worth for it.. that's y im in the business... hehe

Wodenus.. u have your point.. and i do agree with you.. but mayb i'll explain abit to you.. if you think adding water is very troublesome and your time of doing so cost you more money.. i have got nothing to say..

but.. there's a reason why amway want to make it so concentrated..
becoz it save up the cost to make bottles..u use the bottle over and over again.. this is wat amway does to help our environment.. u might think these are BS.. but being the 2nd company to receive the united nations environmental program achievement award.. at least im proud to use its products..

you dont have to buy amway products if you dont like.. i will say go for other brands.. its just personal preference u see.. if u think that going out to the store to get a detergent is good.. then i like my way mroe.. go online.. make an order.. amway deliver the goods to my hse.. i save time and petrol as well ^^

this is just an example.. there are many more products in amway.. mayb u can find out more bout our other series of products.. Nutrilite & Artistry for example.. do some research on it.. if u make the comparison of the quality and the price.. u will notice that amway product is not expensive.. if you can get RM 15 detergent as good as amway's .. go for it.. but is your RM 15 detergent bio degradable ? will it polute the environment ? are they using chemicals that will harm your precious hand ? these are the things u nid to consider.. BUT again .. dont listen to me.. do some research on it.. hehe

i will not deny that there might be better products than amway.. but i personally think amway products is pretty good.. and the price is very reasonable..

anyways.. im not trying to promote amway products here.. its your choice whether u like the products or not.. peace k ? im just trying to explain abit.. thats all ^^

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 5 2008, 10:23 PM

Yes i can order my products and have them deliver to my hse.. i wont say something i cant do ><".. and i wont exaggerate anything bout our product.. U can make orders in amway malaysia official website (im not sure whether i can post the add here.. later say i promote amway here ><")
.. just google or yahoo it.. u can easily find the url

'Biodegradable' means that the ingredients of the detergent are broken down by natural biological action, helping to eliminate foaming problems in lakes and streams. the dish detergent we use not only help save the environment.. becoz it is liquid organic detergent.. we can use it to clean chemicals in vegetables and fruits.. can your dish detergent do that ? i dont know.. but wat i know is our dish detergent and most of our products are multi purpose..

As for our bottles.. "Most bottles we manufacture use a level of post-consumer recycled HDPE resin that exceeds industry standards. (HDPE is High Density PolyEthylene, the same plastic used to make milk jugs and detergent bottles. We recycle up to 95 percent of recyclable materials from waste produced at Alticor's World Headquarters." (quoted form an alticor article). receiving environmental award is not easy as u think.. if u can think of recycling the bottle.. so do amway.. years ago

mayb you dont do the dishes.. you dont know chemical detergent do so much harm to our hand.. it can cause ithciness or alergies in some ppl.. but organic detergent is save to use.. if you're not sure wat chemical detergent can do to your hand.. again.. do some research ^^..

Hope i answer some of your questions.. if you have any other questions.. feel free to ask.. i'll try my best to give some answers..

*Some addon regarding the topic.. many ppl fear of MLM companies mayb because of many MLM comes and goes easily.. they suddenly appear and suddenly appear.. after the time and energy they sacrifice .. the company suddenly disappear.. this affect how ppl view MLM companies.. especially when some MLM companies required huge amount of fees to join as a distributor.. this is even worst.. take few thousand ringgit from u ..then disappear..

But wat i would like to say is that.. not all MLM companies is like dat.. take amway as an example.. u join amway for just RM85.. the following year.. renewal is just rm39.. upon renewal u get a rm10k personal insurance.. u pay less than rm150 to get rm10k personal insurance.. but that's nothing great about it.. many companies offer such amount of personal insurance.. but my point here is... wat can u lose for joining such company ? u buy the products to use.. u not satisfied with it.. or u think it doesnt suit you.. u get 100% money back guarantee from amway.. no question ask.. wat to lose ? i dont know ... i dont think i can get money back guarantee after using the toothpaste i bought from hypermarket or pharmacies

Again.. im not trying to promote amway here.. just to share some good thing about MLM company..

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 6 2008, 12:59 PM

Who gets the commission if u order online ? you ofcoz .. if u're an amway member.. u not only buy products using distributor price.. the commission is also yours.. however.. just like most MLM.. the % of commission depends on your business volume.. if you would like to know more.. we can meet up and i can explain .. aiyo.. now im like doing business here.. i just wanted to explain to our fellow forumer.. plz dont ban me for doing so ><

Yes.. i can prove to you that it's biodegradable.. but you will have to see it by urself la.. means meeting me.. haha

Yes.. I meant most bottles is made of HDPE.. coz some products are not in liquid forms.. so those products like spray is made out of metal lo.. can be recycle oso ^^

actually the government charges for new MLM distributor.. but the fee is very lil.. but some MLM companies charges high fee.. this is becoz they force them to buy their products as they join.. so the joining fee is high.. in amway case.. its only RM85 to join.. and renewal is only RM39^^.. so becareful with those MLM companies which require high fee..

Im sorry to tell you that we only have medium toothbrushes.. as for our toothpaste.. im not 100% sure whether it suits sensitive teeth.. becoz it depends on individuals.. some ppl claim that their teeth are sensitive becoz they bleed easily.. but its actually the lack of vitamin C.. if u take sufficient vitamin c supplement.. the bleeding problem can be solve.. im not sure how serious is your case.. however.. our toothpaste is mild enough for kids to use.. this is becoz the particles in our toothpaste is round in shape.. coz some of the toothpaste is triangular or other shape i dono.. round particles do less harm.. but there might be round particles toothpaste in the market.. im not sure.. but i will check with amway whether it suits you.. or mayb u can try 1st.. see whether it suits you... like i say.. 100% money back guarantee .. AGAIN.. our toothpaste might not be the best.. so its ur choice to choose.. and you dont have to buy from me either..

if im your agent.. ofcoz i dont mind deliver a tube of toothpaste to you.. you r my customer wat.. if u not satisfied.. i will come get it back ^^ ... aiyo.. as if im doing business here jor... im really not trying to promote the business or the product here.. hope you all understand.. im just explaining to wodenus

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 6 2008, 04:46 PM

Yes.. you cant buy online when you're not a member

Oh .. i cant prove it to you online is becoz you have to see it by urself.. u can do some searching in the internet tho.. but its just words la.. dont be lazy anymore.. wat u want to know is all in the internet.. i can try to answer you question la.. but i think im making myself looks bad d.. as if im here to promote amway... ZZZ.. im just here to share wat i know to you all.. do u agree ? (plz say yes :Þ)

Im not sure why amway chose not to use plastic spray cans.. coz im not in the production dept u see.. hehe.. but im sure some spray cannot be in plastic cans.. it mayb flammable or explosive.. i think that's the reason.. not sure tho ><"

As for the bleeding teeth.. lack of vitamin C is a common reason.. tis is becoz we dont take in enough vitamin c from our food intake.. even we eat orange everyday.. the amount is not enough.. becoz vit C is water soluble.. it leaves our body thru sweats and urine.. however.. lack of vit c might not be the only reason..

yes.. im not a medical doctor.. but i dont nid to be a medical doctor to tell u this.. becoz i've been studying nutrition for years during my leisure time.. some doctors are not familiar with nutrition.. becoz they study drugs.. they uses drugs.. nutrition is just a small part of subject in their course.. if you wana know more about nutrition.. dont go look for a doctor.. go look for a nutritionist.. AGAIN .. u dont have to believe wat i say ^^.. do some research yourself..

How high can the profit margin be? take toothpaste as an example.. how much can i earn ? that smartass meiyan already stated the price there.. if you're an amway member.. and im serving you.. wat do i earn ? nothing.. the only thing is your trust.. our friendship and my reputation.. these might the thing that i earn.. but i dont mind doing it even i earn nothing.. believe it or not up to you ^^

if you can get a good toothpaste for a better price.. i would say go for it.. its just personal preference.. but i would like to say something bout our toothpaste.. not to promote la.. just thought that u might wana know.. our toothpaste is expensive becoz its concentrated.. the amount we use is less.. u might think its another marketing strategy.. AGAIN.. you dont have to believe me.. im no one ^^

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Added on May 7, 2008, 12:35 amAddon.. MLM might not be the best business in the world.. there are many good business out there.. some ppl like it .. some ppl dont.. i think is not fair to discriminate ppl who's in other field lo

i think that amway is a good business.. at least for myself.. at least it suits my values and beliefs.. but i still respect ppl from every field.. im just a normal businessman.. thats all.. hehe

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 7 2008, 12:35 AM

Yes..i agree with you and i understand that y ppl dislike MLM ppl.. coz they think they are the best.. and any other field is nothing.. but i dont do it that way.. i respect ppl from all field.. i think this is very important.. even when u're trying to recruit someone into the MLM business.. if u keep telling the person that he's field is no good.. his job is no good.. im sure the person will feel offended.. i think mutual respect is really important.. but some ppl just dont learn... Zzz

Precisely.. round of applause for boon ^^... this is wat we do in our network (not sure bout OTHERS).. we alwiz focuses on 3S.. selling + sponsoring +servicing.. as u see.. selling comes first.. so it is important to promote our products.. product is very important in a business.. when ppl feel good bout the product.. they will eventually join as a member or even build their buisiness.. but nowadays.. many ppl do it the other way.. they never promote their products.. just focus on their plans.. i dont think that's the right way to build a business.. no matter how good and attractive ur marketing plan is.. without good products.. there wont be repeat sales and the business wont last..

Since meiyan dont want to share the differences between network 21 and other Amway network.. mayb i could help her out here.. lol

First of all.. our marketing plan is the same.. our products is the same.. our bonus and reward system is the same.. the difference between N21 with others is the way they build their network.. they uses a system called "Pipeline system" to build network.. how this pipeline system work is actually when new distributor comes in.. they will place the new distributor in depth under one line.. this is to boost the sale volume of one line.. this however is violating the Amway rules of conduct. In May 2008 Amway month magazine, it stated that "Stacking is an unacceptable business building practice. It is defined as the practice of an upline Distributor placing new distributor in depth, regardless of whether there are relationships between those who are sponsored and those who sponsor" (quoted from Amway magazine).

Im not trying to say that N21 is not good.. there are pros and cons using their pipeline system.. but now amway make it clear that the way they doing is violating the Amway rules of conduct.. So i really dono whether they are still using the same system.. hope not.. this is becoz the pipeline system will cause many problems in the future.. y i say so ? becoz one of my fren was once in the N21 group.. but she found out that there's alot of problems with the system.. and later quit the business

As for other network.. N21 like to call other networks the "Conventional" way of doing amway.. we dont simply place new distributor wherever we want.. or put them indepth under one line.. the new distributor is urs if he agree to join u.. we dont put him in other group.. wat i pointed out is the major difference of N21 with other groups.. there might be other system used by other groups.. but i have no idea bout that ^^

Hope i answer wat boon want to know..

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 7 2008, 03:55 PM

i think the only explanation to meiyan's action is that she might have multiple or split personality disorder .. monday she is in tourism field.. then tuesday medical field.. wats next ?!

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 7 2008, 04:34 PM

I'm not sure whether they put all potential distributor under one line or wat.. but i know they use the pipeline system to boost the sales volume of one line before opening a new line.. this is wat i know la

No problem.. just sharing wat i know la.. This is the first time i see amway publishing such thing.. so i think its a warning for N21.. dono whether they will change their way or not.. hopefully they will la.. if not more n more problems will occur.. zzz

As far as i know.. its not allowed to cut one person on put under another line.. even today when a distributor quit amway.. he is not allowed to join any other group for 6 months.. this is to protect the upline's benefit.. Also.. we r not supposed to "pull" ppl from another group to our group..

Amway never change their marketing plan since the company founded till now.. but they did improve the marketing plan by adding new bonuses.. no less but more ^^

Yes.. i doubt they are putting all potential recruit under one line.. wat they does is to all new distributor under one line and when that line reaches certain level.. then only they move on to build the next line

Yeap.. if you understand the Amway marketing plan well.. and by using this pipeline system.. u will only earn fast money.. but not long term money.. and by doing so.. it will be hard to manage your team..

U might not want to sit there waiting for new recruit.. coz when they reaches a certain level.. they move on to build another line.. there wont be anymore new distributor in the 1st line.. this is how they do la.. but im not sure bout other MLM groups

This is a very detailed articles.. gives u lots of information on MLM.. but the writer assume too many things.. its based on his personal opinion.. no facts to back him up.. but still i will recommend ppl to read bout it.. to understand bout MLM business.. and avoid being con by any MLM companies ^^

Yea.. MLM business is not like wat ppl claim to be.. u cannot get rich without working hard.. and i think building the business slowly and steadily is better.. than to invest big bucks to earn fast money..

And i believe.. not just MLM .. any business.. or even any job is not easy.. there's no easy way to success.. u must work for it.. same goes to MLM.. u have to work for it ^^

I think u have really serious problems with ur personal values.. and u really offended me with ur childish thinking

FIRST.. I supported Amway in many ways because i know how good it is and i grow up in this busines.. i'm proud to say i grow up in an amway family..

Second.. I just started buildling my Amway business.. do u understand wats the meaning of just started ? if you understand how MLM works.. at least using the conventional way and not investing like 30k into it.. it takes time to build up a business.. i just started this business like 5 months ago.. and i do it part time.. i started during my final semester.. i can only do it part time..

Third.. im looking for a job is becoz i nid a backup income.. do u understand wats a backup income ? also.. the job im looking for enables me to meet more people and ofcoz they are more potential prospect.. this is why im looking for a job.. my parents wanted me to start off full time.. but i told them i want to go out and experience the working world.. they have pampered me all these years.. dont let me to work part time job during my school holiday.. they would rather gimme money.. but i realize that this is not wat i want.. i wana experience the working world.. and i know by doing so i will understand how people out there feel.. and this would help me in my personal growth

Fourth.. let me ask u a question ..do u want to depend on your parents for the rest of your life ? do u want to live under your parents shadow ? listening to ppl saying " you r dat who's son" ... i want to be myself... i want to be independent.. i wana success in my own amway business.. i wan ppl to recognizes me becoz i am who i am .. not becoz i am someonelse's son !!

Fifth.. not to offend u.. but do u hope for ur parents to die ? I DONT !! I DONT !! do u feel happy for take over your parents business becoz they r dead ? I DONT !!! i want them to live as long as they could.. and i wana earn my own money .. build my own business !!! Think bout it yourself !!! even i know that one day i will take over the business.. but that might be 30 or 40 years from now... my dad is just 47 this year.. and im 23.. so do u want me to take money from my parents for the rest of my life ? if you think that way..shame on you.. shame on you.. if im your parents.. seeing you being so useless.. i'll be real sad..

Think bout it urself...

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Added on May 9, 2008, 1:24 amEverything i say here is true.. its just whether u choose to believe or not !! Im here to share wat i know bout MLM.. particularly bout Amway.
Also.. dont ask rookieslayer to read properly when you yourself CANNOT read properly.. i never say that im earning good money in Amway.. i can be honest enough to tell everyone that im not earning good money YET.. but i know i will..

If you think that u r smart enough to point out that im looking for a job here in LYN ..think twice !!!!
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This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 9 2008, 01:26 AM

Let me tell you what.. u mentioned that im just cheating to show us how good is the MLM but without telling you all the truth that i cant survivie if i dont find another job... THIS OFFENDED ME !!! im here to share what i know... im not here to promote the business or to recruti anyone..

What makes u think that answering well means that im success in the busniess ? I grow in an Amway business.. does it make sense to you why i can answer so well ? I've been listening to so many talks and seminar throughout my life.. way before i met the age requirements to join Amway..

Stp being stubborn.. i've stated there that I JUST STARTED building the business.. if Amway is a business that easily get rich.. then everyone who join Amway for few months will all be rich.. grow up.. this is a business.. you need to build the foundation.. you need time to build your business.. this applies to all business.. dont u undertand this simple concept ?

Also.. if you're thinking that one business or one job can get you success... then mayb u should read more books.. see how success ppl doing.. do u think uncle lim only owns genting ? do u know how many other field of business is he in?

U say i never mention in my previous post what im wanted to do ? Who do u think you r ? Do i nid to tell you why im getting a part time job ? Do i nid to announce to the world why im taking such action ? Dont be a smartass going around tellnig ppl that im cheating... im sharing what i know to our fellow forumers.. mayb u should look at what meiyan doing.. then you know the difference of sharing and promoting.. she's been promoting bout amway.. and im here to answer questions that boon and wodenus is asking..

Dont try to be a smartass assuming things.. assuming that sharing well bout the business means doing well in the business.. what makes u think so ? Dont assume.. if you're not sure.. ASK !! You dont even know the reason why im looking for a part time job.. you're just assuming that im not doing well in the business and looking for extra money .. AGAIN ..you r assuming..

Let me tell you why.. the reason why i wanted a job.. is becoz i wanted to know more people.. and i know that i can know many ppl through the job im looking for.. if you do some research.. do u know that the job im looking for is for ppl with minimum SPM certificate.. i can easily get a better in some bank or big company .. earning good money.. the pay for the job im looking is not high.. i really dont care too much bout the money or the future of my job.. coz i never plan to work long in the job im looking for.. i dare say that.. all i wanted is a job with flexible time and can let me know more people.. now you see why im looking for a job ?

If you think that im trying to cheat people here.. if you think that im trying to promote that business here.. if you think im trying to recruit ppl here .. IM OUT OF HERE !!!!