I would like to requote an old post ie TS's first post, and do some anotomy on it..

Its long winded like an old lady.

I still dont understand why ppl refuse to accept or either listen to MLM. It just another kind of business model or marketing model that doing tradisional business == selling things/product.
The reality is we can't force people to follow your enthusiasm, or force people to listen to things that they do not interested. And the structure of your sentence, just like any other MLM'er, is half true and half fiction, is misleading people to think that "people hate MLM coz its selling things/products"

There are no such thing where you can get free. Doing MLM is just like doing ordinary sales jobs. What make MLM so different is only the mindset of the person.
The keyword is mindset here, naturally people tends to have negative mindset, and your mindset determine the outcome you getting, just like an MLM'er like yourself, your mindset is at the point where "MLM is the only way to earn $$$", then there is no way you can success in your ACCA, engineering, doctorate... etc.

Imagine one day you join a sales company, you still need to sell your company product no matter you like the product or not, or whether the product good or bad. You do that just because your boss paying you a small amount of money and you are giving him your time and effort.
Your statement is not true due to unreal assumption, which is based on your mindset of "everything else is bad other then MLM". A saleman who unable to make sales will be retired after a testing period, a MLM'er who unable to make sales/get new member will disappear after sometime.

Ppl keeping complaint about MLM that cheat ppl, bullshit, scam ..... I still dont understand why? I believe if MLM company offer basic salary to it distributor and commit them to achieve target, I think it almost same like ordinary sales job. But MLM company do not do so, so ppl trend to giving excuse saying this saying that.
There are many reason ppl keep complaining about MLM, but generally: ppl had bad experience with it. And whats more, it is MLM operators themselves who worsen the name, they will say "MLM is bad because its a pyramid scheme and etc etc, our system is better becoz its fair due to etc etc". They do it because they can get attention by following people interest: MLM r bad.

Hey, come on... that is the only place that you can determine how far you wan to go and how much you wan to earn. World is getting smaller due to globalization, if you have the network in your hand, you will be the one that can make tone of money and opportunity.
Another generalization which only works for some fresh youngsters, which is half true and half wrong, people can easily confused and then believe in it and fallen into it. World getting smaller: true; network = money: true; MLM is the only place that you can determine how far you can go: wrong -> you can determine how far you can go in ANY CAREER.

When MLM didnt control you on your sales target, you say ppl bullshit or cheating, a sales company that control you and want you to achieve salas target, you work like a dog to archieve the target and bring huge sales to company by getting a small amount of commision. Dont your guy this it is unfair compare with the effort you putting in.
This is baseless arguement, many people complain come with full reference and proof. No matter what, you make the best use of your effort. And you structured your sentence as if one need to work like a dog in outside sales, and give people impression that its heaven in MLM.

After work for few year in sales company, you might be a super sale man, but imagine one day you are not able to work ... wat you will get, the boss will fire you and pay you extra two month salary else you might get your insurance claim if you have one with you.
It is known as financial planning for retirement. And very important to not to rely on a salary from your boss as an ultimate goal. Being a super salesman give you the ability to acquire properties, perform investment, etc.

Dont your guy ever thinking of getting passive income that will make your life better and better in the future ? I believe everyone is looking better life and hoping of getting passive income when their stop working.
Who doesn't? And the next thing you will try to do is give people impression that MLM is the only way to generate passive income.

But, ppl trend to oni thinking but not action .... saying this cannot, that one cheating , this impossible ... Have you ever think of wat is impossible and wat is cannot?
You contra yourself in this sentence, first you say ppl only think no action, then in the end you ask ppl to think of wat is impossible wat is cannot. No matter MLM or sales or even planting chili, you need action to make it happen.

When ppl say human can flying like a bird with it own wing is cannot, when ppl say human can run like sport car with it own leg is impossible ... but their are ppl earn a lot in MLM, there is prove , so it is possible and can be done .. just how much your determination you have been giving out ... how much effort you have put in ....
Nearly all of the oil palm planters gained a wealthy profit at the recent palm oil price hike, how many % of MLM'er earned a handsome income? Of course it is possible to success in MLM, just how likely one could success is another thing. PS: its also possible to win big sweep jack pot, RM9mil next draw.

There are ppl keep on say bad to MLM because they cant do it not others can not do. when you ask them "Have you try it with your full force ?" ... I believe they might not able to answer you. This is because they oni join in and have a look, hoping getting good money in short period, after that jump out when they cant make it in short period .. then they will keep saying MLM cannot do and bullshit .... walau ... this is very unfair to those who putting effort in this business ....
There are a couple of generalization again in this sentense, lets go thru it one by one:
- ppl say MLM ba becoz they cant do not others cant do: if this is the case, that ppl at least tried it and now sharing pass experience with friends. Actually there are more who "I heard that MLM bad, my uncles's bro in law's wife's colleagues ah..."
- "Have you try it with your full force?": many didn't, and even more not even trying, as you said, believe in it, these are people who believe in other things, and when you nailing on people who disbelieve MLM, should you disbelieve on things that other people believe as well? If so, aren't you just an anti-antiMLM who thinks that the rest of the population are wrong? Yes, this is a very important point to success, but rather then disbelieving things, you believe in what you believe, be positive to success, coz you never success by being negative to anything.
- hoping getting good money in short period: well this is the impression that ALL MLM'er gave to new prospect, for eg, MLM'er vs CEO thingy, the first one only required 5 years to achieve wat the latter can achieve in 10 years.
- unfair to those who putting effort: what unfair of? You expect everyone open arm and welcome you? This is reality. And effort doesn't mean equal return. You yourself also keep attacking regular salesmen cannot, isn't this is also unfair to them?!

For this kind of ppl, plz dont think of driving BMW, staying pent house in their young age except those with a rich dad .... they are many young ppl i meet who really work hard for their dream and achieve excellent result in their life.
Hold on, its just a car, and a BMW doesn't give u passive income. And there are so many ways to own a BMW, not just MLM'er. Furthermore, not everybody want a BMW, pent house, etc.

I myself just want a 4x4 for example. And I want a farm side house. And can you say that I am just another idiot who unable to realized wawasan MLM?

Conclusion,

those who deserve to be rich & successful= do and believe wat ever they think is right.
True, believing in yourself first before make others to believe in you. Remember, self believing doesn't mean disproving others.

those who deserve poor & fail = talk and something they might not try and dont dare to try.
Nobody deserve to be poor & fail. Nobody deserve to have an empty stomach. You claimed people being unfair to your MLM, why did you make this conclusion??

No heart feeling to anyone, just my opinion on nows day ppl when their meet up MLM.
Indeed, very indeed, the previous sentence is indeed a "no-heart feeling".

Think of your life, remember .. you are the one who determine your rest of life, no one can do that for you.
This is a great conclusion line, the difference is just whether you saying this to a drug addicts or someone you think who doesn't understand MLM.

According to TS, the definition of success in MLM means
- passive income in early age
- drive BMW
- stay pent house

Well, my definition of success is
- you no need to fear that your income will be taken away
- your business will run itself even if you are not there
- income from your business will give you all the basic needs and with more to spare
- you have time to enjoy your spare income with your family

This post has been edited by rexis: Apr 28 2008, 11:17 AM

I did? Did I?

Amway is still okay, at least you wont lose much by eating those (useless)vitamins, and they have good products too, thou the prices are exaggerated.

There are those MLM who tell people that their business are not MLM or pyramid who make the bad name for themselves.

And there are also MLM who keep telling people other MLM not good, like yourself also said:



The rest are common line, why every time you people must mentioned you have doctors, managers, engineers, surgeons... just WHY? My Amway uncle also keep telling me how a doctor earn more money in Amway.

Its boring, you know.

I have the same feeling as you, worst still, one of my family member fell victim to LB before.

MLM like Amway is still okay, the most is you spend a few hundreds on some health care products you don't need, worst come worst you skipped your regular medication and choke in vitamins. It is still okay i tell you.

In LB, when you first go there, they will
- keep telling you how healthy they are after using the products
- keep telling you how success they are and how miserable they were
- keep telling you how their business is not MLM and how wonderful their system is
- keep telling you how much u will be earning
- keep telling you that you need to bear the responsibility of earning money for your family
continuously and non stop - you will not have any time for toilet, drink water, see your clock, or do some thinking and they will ask you to off your handphone. This will continue for 6 hours minimum.

That, is wat we called brainwash. And after that they take you to ATM.

This post has been edited by rexis: Apr 29 2008, 12:58 PM

OMG, its simply so wonderful! No need to wake up early everyday and sleep late is simply way too awesome!!!!!!

And hell ya, I also want to slowly do my cleaning...go gym...shopping...surf lyn and give sarcastic comments OMFG...life so easy!!!!!!

And you mentioned that you have a group of pros and gosu to help me out of this hell?! OMG OMG where else I can find such offer? Go company ask the company hr will kick you out with a bloom!!!! IMAGINE, its nearly impossible to group such a large group of similar people to help making you as successful as them! Tell me you are angel!

And summore can go holiday without forking out own cash?! IS IT REAL?!!!! WHAOOOOOOO.... should I buy my Samsonite first?!?!!?!

Yaya, if we work as employee, we wont have time coz we all sold our time to boss!!!! BOSS SUCKS OUR TIME AND GIVE LITTLE PEANUT WITH LOTSA SHIT!! WTF!

N21 ROCKS OMFG MFKR OEM USB BIOS HYPER THREADING PWNAGE!!! Robert Kiyosaki is GOD!

Please contact me this is my hp number:
012-3338833355666333333

This post has been edited by rexis: Apr 29 2008, 01:54 PM

The idea is like this:

- for the next 6 hours without any toilet break, tea break, phone break, thinking break, watever break and barely have the shortest time to fart without making noise, I keep telling you how healthy chili is, how profitable planting chili is, how easy to plant chili, and how negligible your start up cost to start a chili farm is, and get a couple of chili farmers who used to worked as IT support/engineer/mods/doctor before to tell you exactly the same thing.
- then for the next 6 days you will feel really enthusiastic about planting chili, and your will be enthusiastic enough to go back to my chili center to get another session of chili marathon after 6 days(weekly).
- you will continuously thinking about chili and start doing the same thing as I did.

Sooner or later, the person him/herself believe that only chili can achieve anything, and thinks that the rest like banana, brinja, okra, etc are no match to chili, and chili simply "is different then others. This not a simple chili. This one change your everything."

This post has been edited by rexis: Apr 29 2008, 03:28 PM

You are not getting my message there, arn't you? Anyway, I got a DD uncle so if I wanna go Amway there is no way I am gonna join under you, sori to give you a fake hope, I thought I am sarcastic enough.

Anyone know what is 012-3338822255666333333

That still okay, last time I bring my gf back hometown, so, I intro her whenever I saw any of my uncle drop by(was staying at grandma home). So that time we were kinda rushing, and this DD uncle came to deliver some water filter, and I sort of just bring my gf for an quick intro, we are really rushing out.

It was 1 hour later when we finally escaped out.... -.-

This post has been edited by rexis: Apr 30 2008, 10:40 AM

Oh, do you mean buying lottery?

No la, its just Amway, only RM70++ sth as an annual member fee jek.

This N21 sound like almost the same as those Amway center I went to before according to meiyan07's post.

All of them saying
- Amway the best, the rest of the "Ways" sux
- their group is the best
- you are damn lucky to join them
- + the rest of wat b00n mentioned

Basically joining Amway still okla, coz their vitamins even thou expensive, but still can buy, people can still give u face buying one or two bottle.

Not like LB, once join, they sux u till dry, coz they know, not everyone will repeat business.

Why ask people to do private discussion on a open discussion thread? Unless you have something to hide.

You are right, why not? Just that people choose whatever lifestyle they have.

My view on MLM is that yes very much indeed it worked, just that I think I can live an easier mind without doing it.

meiyan07, I dont feel like you are reading so I make my points real short, at least read the first part.

I am glad Lampe Berger never got you, otherwise, your parents will be crying.

Amway is definitely a good vehicle to hop in, as although it do not bring too much good, it do not bring too much bad either.

And I never say MLM cannot success. I not interested in nuclear physics doesn't mean that Albert Einstein is an idiot.

Its just that you cant convince a cow to eat meat.

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Don't think you are alone, everybody suffered the same thing.

BTW, 4 years back when I joined that Amway group, they are saying exactly the same thing as your N21 group, I would not want to spam this page by mentioning it again thou.

You keep say the nasi lemak is very delicious but nobody will believe you, at least tell us the ingredients and cooking process, then only people can start imagine how tasty it is.

So, please answer boon's question.

Nimzai, actually I share some view with you, any business is going to be successful only if they have a solid products, not just business plans. Like a nice stall selling really delicious food, no matter where the taukeh open up business, people will look for it.

I don't care about plans, as long as I meet my quota i got my cheque, but if the business selling crappy products, it wont stand long. I personally like to see all those Amway demonstrations, fun, and informative, and they have some facts in it too, not just pure blind religious believe.

What annoyed me most is those morons who know almost nothing about the company and come out trying to recruit people by doing hard sales by saying who is rich and what is good, and then know almost nothing about the core business of the company.

What is even more disgusting is those bastards who only use a pseudo product(fake) and sell it at exaggerated price and claim miracles about it. And then go out all length to pursue you to pay your life saving to join them for a higher rank and how good their business is and why they are not MLM.

Amway not evil, actually you get involved in some healthy MLM group in Amway, you will be protected from harms from extreme MLM company like Lampe Berger, etc.

To get delivered to your house, you need to order certain minimum amount, and get your check book ready - they dont take cash.

Biodegradable is good, just that I am not too sure how environmental friendly it is. If not mistaken, Amway detergent is more friendly to environment due to they don't use certain chemical which commonly used by cheap detergents(any links?). Reusable bottles is good.

While I cant show you what can detergent do to your hands, I used some Amway multi purpose cleaner diluted according to instruction and spray on my pot of plant infested by mites, well I killed off almost all the mites, as well as most of the plant leave also turned brown after 2 days :/ well its not exactly the purpose of this detergent but I tot its environmental friendly mah....

Plant survive better if i dilute it to 1:64 recommend to dilute to 1:200.

This post has been edited by rexis: May 6 2008, 09:34 AM

Thanks for the explanation about the "pipeline system" and give us a brief overview about N21. Even the reputable Amway is unable to get its own member to behave.

I do not care about what MY has to say in other post, one can say he/she is an astronaut or work in Astro. By reading this thread alone the least you can conclude is this is NOT the kind of upline to follow. Next she could say Yusuana is good.

Good piece of reply thou, you have your solid points, but the thing about these MLM culprits people is that they only have something known as one way communication.

- - - - -

TS: "I still dont understand why ppl refuse to accept or either listen to MLM....."
Ans: Static void, loud noise, background music etc..
TS: "Ppl keeping complaint about MLM that cheat ppl, bullshit, scam ..... I still dont understand why?..."
Ans: Static void, loud noise, background music etc....
TS: "Dont your guy ever thinking of getting passive income that will make your life better and better in the future???..."
Ans: Static void, louder noise, background heavy metal music etc......
TS: "There are ppl keep on say bad to MLM because they cant do it not others can not do..."
Ans: Static void, louder noise, background heavy metal music, deafening heavy mechinery sound etc........
TS: "Think of your life, remember..."
Ans: Dead silence not even static void or phone void tone..

We should really get on with our lives instead of keep poking fun at these idiots.

This post has been edited by rexis: Feb 2 2009, 03:08 PM

Am quoting TS's old old first post.

Those who still don't or don't want to understand that people refuse to listen to your taking-over-the-world-with-soap-cosmetics-and-vitamins plans.

This is exactly why people hate MLM. When people say no to something, you FORCE them to listen. Just another kind of business model? Not really, this one takes on your personal life - your family, friends, siblings.... all their target.

If you saw a credit card dude in mid valley you can just walk away.

Still think that this is just a typical kind of business model?

Still want to have a life? MLM is not for you.

When you are ready to see everything in your life to be related to vitamins or cosmetics or soap, you are ready.

Otherwise, if you are still interested to stuff like DOTA, Liverpool/MU, politics, korean drama.... etc. You would want to take a more normal route and work a day job.

Do you mean where I "went" for?

I am not active in any MLM activity right now. I think it is the same as long as you are working for yourself, and willing to work hard only for your own sake. It doesn't matter what are you working as, being an employee or employer or sale, it is the same too as long as you know what you want and you are in the process of getting there.

Look, I am not discouraging MLM, its up to you to choose how you want to pursue your goal, just that many MLM'er like to take advantage and force your friends and family to listen and join your business plan. While in the process, MLM'er will usually discourage in whatever work you are doing right now(be it work and study) and effectively killing your career by destroying your working attitude.