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True. 120 crew per ship really surprised me. Compare to other class ship, almost as much as our frigate.

kedah30 org je nk operate

Minimal number of crew? Wiki says current full complement is 78 (as an OPV), if full missile weapons systems the number of crew will be 98.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Nov 16 2016, 03:17 PM

correct min number of crew needed to fully operate the Kedah is 30 personnel.
the tacticos system is very modern and complicated and yet very modular

Seriously, what is the problem with the Kedah-class not equipped with missiles? At least the Exocets if not the SeaRAM?

IIRC the RMN has a good number of Exocets. In the grand scope of things, is it so costly to install a few on the Kedah-class? A ship only needs 8 missiles anyway (assuming the on-board FCS can already support them).

Indonesian President Jokowi visits the Indonesian Army Kostrad 1st Infantry Division Headquarter with the Leopard 2RI & Leopard 2A4 MBTs on the background. Credit to Penkostrad.

Put in the launchers, it would technically be a corvette d. Nice catalyst to start a regional arms race. Anyway, hardpoints are already there... so

This post has been edited by duHwaN: Nov 16 2016, 04:27 PM

What arms race? The RMN is as bare bones as it is.

TNI arming up like crazy and I have yet to see any kind of arms race.

M113 TNI Swim in Natuna

i did took this bait befur..but looking at how Indonesia & Singapore progress on their navy modernization program, i could not take this kind of 'prevent arm race' bullshit anymore

because right now it will only served as Patrol Vessel role only

As ever, I believe its budget issue as well as operational requirements
6 Kedahs x 8 missiles x about EUR 1m each = Rm224 million

Thats not chump change. Even if we arm just 2 Kedahs at a time, thats Rm75M... its the choice between up gunning the Kedahs with token* antiship weapons or buying another 1.5 LMS platforms... choose.

*with the vast array of SAMs and CIWS in existence the best antship weapon is a sublaunched torpedo. Thats the Western doctrine anyway.

P.s. RAM missile is the same price and come in 21 round launcher... you figure that price out I already

Damn it looks big!

The ships are old. If it saves money to decom then, we should. Similar to UK Armed Forces, suck up a capability gap for 5-10 years then come back into the game with a bigger wallet

This post has been edited by KLboy92: Nov 16 2016, 05:33 PM

Exactly the race we are talking about.

At the moment, there is no immediate scenario for confrontation in the region, so arming the ships will just incur a higher running cost (possibly reducing available budget in the future) without a immediate need. If there is a need, it would not take long anyway to do the fittings.

Different story if you think having those ships is a mistake in the first place.

as expected... entah siapa earlier tok kok

We have plenty of exocet stockpile laying about and MBDA offers upgrade for MM38 to MM40 block 2

I dunno, if atreyu can explain why we do not use them if they are "lying around"...?

Wild-ass guess here: perhaps they have an operational lifespan, if we take them out of store and install that means they start to depreciate already, in a few years will need to buy replacement?

I'm reaching out on a limb here, but is it possible to take out the Exocet launch units from the old missile boats that we're about to retire on arrival of the LMS and install them on the Kedah-class OPVs? IIRC Exocet systems are pretty modular anyway. If the FCS is already installed and all it takes is for to activate it is the installation of launch units why not go for it?

It still doesn't solve the Kedah-class' current lack of anti-air capabilities, but hey, at least it's better than nothing.

Lms have higher priority as they are to replace the old laksamana class.
As for arming kedah class that will have to wait for opportunity during midlife upgrade.

These missiles are self contained