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kianwei8
post Apr 23 2008, 12:18 PM

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Forget oil, the new global crisis is food

BMO strategist Donald Coxe warns credit crunch and soaring oil prices will pale in comparison to looming catastrophe

Wheat prices alone have risen 92% in the past year, and yesterday closed at US$9.45 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade.

At the centre of the imminent food catastrophe is corn - the main staple of the ethanol industry. The price of corn has risen about 44% over the past 15 months, closing at US$4.66 a bushel on the CBOT yesterday - its best finish since June 1996.

Food Crisis Feared as Fertile Land Runs Out
Maps show 40% of Earth's land is used for agriculture
Growing human 'footprint' a risk to the environment


Crisis= Chance
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post Apr 23 2008, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Apr 23 2008, 12:18 PM)
- as above -
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FYI,
1 bushel of wheat is 60 lb or 27.2kg
1 bushel of shelled corn is 56 lb or 25.4kg

So,
US$9.45/bushel of wheat = US$347.43/tonne
US$4.66/bushel of corn = US$183.46/tonne

Did I get the figure wrong? I recalled that a few months back corn price was at over RM1000 per ton?
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post Apr 23 2008, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 23 2008, 04:02 PM)
FYI,
1 bushel of wheat is 60 lb or 27.2kg
1 bushel of shelled corn is 56 lb or 25.4kg

So,
US$9.45/bushel of wheat = US$347.43/tonne
US$4.66/bushel of corn = US$183.46/tonne

Did I get the figure wrong? I recalled that a few months back corn price was at over RM1000 per ton?
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Wanna know why? Cause alot of angmo start to eat rice...thanks to roti canai, capati, naan and tandoori...it was a big hit in Germany last 2 years.. thumbup.gif now the angmo dun wanna eat their spaghetti and bun and whatever they are eating...

and now thailand got cheat code to make paddy harvest-able in 90 days (if i'm not mistaken) perlis start project liao..whoever's kampung is planting paddy...better go back and plant..good money! brows.gif


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post Apr 24 2008, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(utaikamah @ Apr 23 2008, 11:32 PM)
Wanna know why? Cause alot of angmo start to eat rice...thanks to roti canai, capati, naan and tandoori...it was a big hit in Germany last 2 years..  thumbup.gif now the angmo dun wanna eat their spaghetti and bun and whatever they are eating...

and now thailand got cheat code to make paddy harvest-able in 90 days (if i'm not mistaken) perlis start project liao..whoever's kampung is planting paddy...better go back and plant..good money!  brows.gif
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Har serious in 90days? Where to get the info? I will need it...hehe. Family is planting paddy.
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post Apr 24 2008, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 24 2008, 01:33 AM)
Har serious in 90days? Where to get the info? I will need it...hehe. Family is planting paddy.
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where to get it? shocking.gif ngehehehe...thailand has that technology. Thats all I know. sweat.gif Infor? Simple. Have to find jalan from thailand people. brows.gif
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post Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM

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anyone can sell me 100 to 200 gram worm?i was thinking wan to bleed the worm myself..thanks..cos the seller i know need to sell at least 1 kg..
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QUOTE(utaikamah @ Apr 24 2008, 08:38 AM)
where to get it?  shocking.gif  ngehehehe...thailand has that technology. Thats all I know.  sweat.gif  Infor? Simple. Have to find jalan from thailand people.  brows.gif
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Harr....will thai people tell? The last time i read about them, they very protective of themselves and protects the local business from foreigners. OH well...... blink.gif
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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM)
anyone can sell me 100 to 200 gram worm?i was thinking wan to bleed the worm myself..thanks..cos the seller i know need to sell at least 1 kg..
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I can share with you but that is only when I get my place ready, that is after next month I plan to rent another cheap apartment or room.
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post Apr 24 2008, 10:29 PM

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There are source of fish filleting by product which is fresh water fish and also the water waste. But dunno how to deal with it. Normally js grind it to feed the fish. Even it can process to become fish mill but have been tried in kedah there they fail to process it due to high fat content. =.=

Is a good source of protein, calcium and phosphate. guys u all have any way out??

Beside that the water waste also high in nitrogen sources which suitable for fermentation. But i have no ideal to get buyer now we js treat it with aerobic bacteria to consume out the waste..... so dam waste...

Ya when processing we get lot of fish skin... u guy got any way out? may let me know may b we can co-operate for it.


Added on April 24, 2008, 10:32 pmaddition for it we get fish oil when cook it and got some buyer for it for crude oil. anyone here also intrested ? gv the better price wakakka

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post Apr 25 2008, 05:03 AM

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QUOTE(friends!! @ Apr 24 2008, 10:29 PM)
There are source of fish filleting by product which is fresh water fish and also the water waste. But dunno how to deal with it. Normally js grind it to feed the fish. Even it can process to become fish mill but have been tried in kedah there they fail to process it due to high fat content. =.=

Is a good source of protein, calcium and phosphate. guys u all have any way out??

Beside that the water waste also high in nitrogen sources which suitable for fermentation. But i have no ideal to get buyer now we js treat it with aerobic bacteria to consume out the waste..... so dam waste...

Ya when processing we get lot of fish skin... u guy got any way out? may let me know may b we can co-operate for it.


Added on April 24, 2008, 10:32 pmaddition for it we get fish oil when cook it and got some buyer for it for crude oil. anyone here also intrested ? gv the better price wakakka
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i am sorry but i couldnt understand what you are trying to say ?
can you structure it properly ?

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post Apr 25 2008, 07:55 AM

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Hmmm...

Sounds like our friend here has a fish fillet processing business that has a lot of by-products, i.e. fish skin, fish gut, bones etc. as well as the waste water from the whole process. What he had done before was to pulverize the waste and feed them to the fish. At one point, it was processed as fish meal in Kedah, but unfortunately it failed terribly due to the high fatty acid content. I believe he had sent the fish meal for analysis, which showed a high protein, calcium and phosphate content (consistent with skin, gut, and bone material).

So now, he's asking for solutions to all this waste. How to turn it into some value added material. The waste water has also been found to be highly nitrogenous, and suitable for fermentation(?), yet he has no ideal buyer of this waste material, so he just use aerobic fermentation processes to break it down.

The other thing he has is fish oil. Not sure if he's asking for better price for his oil, or if he's suggesting he would give a better price for anyone who wants to take it.
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ya that i means have poor command of english. haha

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post Apr 25 2008, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM)
anyone can sell me 100 to 200 gram worm?i was thinking wan to bleed the worm myself..thanks..cos the seller i know need to sell at least 1 kg..
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like this la you tell me who is the seller and how much is he offering. you take 200 gram out..the rest i take..leng mou? smile.gif faster faster..if can this weekend you confirm with me the price. I want to start next week jor.


Added on April 27, 2008, 2:50 pm
QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 24 2008, 01:56 PM)
Harr....will thai people tell? The last time i read about them, they very protective of themselves and protects the local business from foreigners. OH well......  blink.gif
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yes they are...from my sources, they did an ecra of land in perlis for testing. Several Thai agro officer came down and did a demo. They are now monitoring the paddy plantation from time to time. If u got relatives or frens that is in thailand, maybe they can help u out in looking for the substance that the thai is using on paddy plantation. Thai also got this substance for oil palm tree. I heard that they can control the growth of oil palm..as in height, name the height you want and they can give you the correct substance. damn geng la thais..hehehe..owh well..agro originated from them what..how to beat them sweat.gif


Added on April 27, 2008, 7:52 pmhmm...now that suppliers for the worm is available..i wonder who is able to detect where to find the buyer of these vermin biggrin.gif

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post May 3 2008, 07:06 PM

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hi again..too bz to update, have some picture to share, about my Aquaculture course, pls feel free to have a look at my album!

http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/aquaculture_album/
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post May 4 2008, 02:12 AM

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The fish seed will grow to 1/2 inch long 10 days after hatched, these 1/2 inch Haluan fish have a golden orange colour, in this period the fish seeds are being fed with Moina Microbes. When the fish seeds has grew to 1/2 inch long they will feed them with fish feed. The fish feed will be grounded into powder before feeding. After 15 more days, these 1/2 inch fish seeds will grow to 1 inch long.

Where can we find it?
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post May 4 2008, 09:34 AM

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Moina and Daphnia can be found in waste water pond.

Culturing yourself might be a little bit tricky, with trials and error.
as for me, i always catch it from nearby wastewater pond, i can get by kilos and fed to my keli and patin larvaes!
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Thanx for the info. Can u post the picture of moina for reference here smile.gif

Thanx in advance.
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post May 4 2008, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(mamba @ May 4 2008, 10:55 AM)
Thanx for the info. Can u post the picture of moina for reference here smile.gif

Thanx in advance.
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post May 4 2008, 09:17 PM

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Thanx!now i know what and how they look like. smile.gif How do you catch them?And how do we know that we get a kilo of it?sorry if im troubling u.
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no prob.

well, they look reddish la. when u see some reddish thing swarming on the surface of the water.. thats moina. use the white fine nets sold in lfs wan lo. kilo? weight it lo.. haha.. we catch it and put in container wan, without water. then can weight lo. haha...

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