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 Venturing into Agriculture & Aquaculture, Co-Ordination & Implementation is KEY

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post Apr 10 2008, 03:20 PM

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A field trip for vermicompost?

Though I'm not in the agriculture field, interested in exploring conservation of the environment for our future generations.

Going Organic looks like a good way.

Michael J.
post Apr 10 2008, 05:28 PM

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Rexis, he meant the level of decomposition of the vegetative matter. You really can't expect the worms to gobble up a whole lettuce leaf mar.... haha.....

Mmm... Worm are detritivores actually. However, given they don't have teeth, and have to rely of the muscular breakdown on materials in their gizzard, it really makes sense that a certain level of decomposition must take place before giving them to the worms. But in my opinion, if there is a scheduled feeding system at the right ratio, then it don't matter about the level of decomposition, as the breakdown is fast anyway. Anyhow, the worms will go for the older materials first. If I remember correctly, the ratio was 2:1, for every 1 sqft space. This means 2kg worms is needed for every 1kg organic material consumed every week per square foot area. It is better to have a lower amount of organic matter than to overload the system.
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QUOTE(Chinchillas @ Apr 10 2008, 03:11 PM)
I am not talking about the ripeness of the vermicompost or the finish product-worms casting doh.gif , I am talking about the food that need to feed the worms it had to be composted before feeding them, it work very fast in this way.
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Oh! That is something new for me! Feed composted stuff to earthworms.

Yeah, like MJ mentioned, earthworms go for rotten stuff first, as they do not hv the teeth to chew them up.

That would explain why the hell did my cabbage stayed in the worm bin for one whole week before i remove it laugh.gif
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News: another type of Composting using Bacteria , was more faster
Coz Bacteria double X2 every 20min

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Two pounds of worms, approximately 2000 of them, will eat one pound of compost every 48 hours

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QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Apr 13 2008, 09:44 PM)
News: another type of Composting using Bacteria , was more faster
Coz Bacteria double X2 every 20min

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Two pounds of worms, approximately 2000 of them, will eat one pound of compost every 48 hours
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Yeah, there is another agri magazine recommend to compost with bacteria too rather with worms. I was trying to find out what is the difference between regular compost and worm compost(rather then having a bit of extra protein supply).

I have read about a method to cultivate vegetable on elevated bed/tray, the method is similar to the strawberry farms in cameron highland, but they put compost on the tray and even practice crop rotation on the elevated compost. It is said that by keeping away from the soil, you can prevent a number of diseases.

A friend has told me about a farmer from Kelantan "gantung" all his chili up, coz to prevent soil borne disease.
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post Apr 14 2008, 10:24 AM

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post Apr 14 2008, 11:34 AM

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Replying to KW's thread located here in the investment forum.

QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Aug 28 2007, 11:07 AM)
Invest in agriculture sector? Agri make big$?

oil palm?rubber?fruit?swiftlet?Fish?Organic farming?agri related-produt
import/export?
High risk?margin?

Hey,Friend, share u experience here,what u hear?u friend/parent story?
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Let me start with my grandma story first.

In the old days, my mum's family was very poor, grandpa is a carpenter and can barely make enough to sustain the family(make RM10 daily, some 40 years ago). So grandma decide to do something to help things out, she started planting vegetables in front of the house, and discovered that she can make even more(RM10+ daily), and so she rented a small piece of land(unknown acre, likely 1-2 acres), work everything out by family labor, including clear land, make tillage, cangkul soil, etc. And they they start making a life by planting vegetables.

My grandma vegetables were selling very well in the local market - she sell them in her own stall and very often, her vege finished up early.

Grandma consistency and hard work has earn her enough not only to raised her family of 10 children, they are also able to purchase a land(the land lady see them doing very well in farming vegetables, and trying to raise their rental)and then later had enough to purchase construction material and they build their own house there(grandpa is a skillful carpenter), and then, grandpa obtain his driving license and since then they deliver the vege to the local market with a van.

My uncles including two investors, one lawyer, one ACCA, one GM, and I can say, MOST of the are millionaires. All came from a humble small farm.

The farm land is now a wire mesh factory, operated by my uncles, grandma no longer need to go into planting vegetables but enjoying her retirement.

And hence i absolutely convinced that farming with hard work and the right way will not only bring you a promising future, but it is a wealthy and promising future.

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post Apr 14 2008, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Apr 13 2008, 09:44 PM)
News: another type of Composting using Bacteria , was more faster
Coz Bacteria double X2 every 20min

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Two pounds of worms, approximately 2000 of them, will eat one pound of compost every 48 hours
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Bacteria is traditional composting method,which is command use now day. It very simple, but to maintain THAT bacteria to be active and ALIVE for composting, you need to flip your compost every other days, that call hot compost. No matter what method, eventually you will still have compost regardless of time = let material rot.


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Beautiful picture, those strawberry can only fruit in high land or coolest weather. If I stay in cameron, I AM SURE I WILL GROW lot of strawberry! thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 14 2008, 10:00 AM)
Yeah, there is another agri magazine recommend to compost with bacteria too rather with worms. I was trying to find out what is the difference between regular compost and worm compost(rather then having a bit of extra protein supply).

I have read about a method to cultivate vegetable on elevated bed/tray, the method is similar to the strawberry farms in cameron highland, but they put compost on the tray and even practice crop rotation on the elevated compost. It is said that by keeping away from the soil, you can prevent a number of diseases.

A friend has told me about a farmer from Kelantan "gantung" all his chili up, coz to prevent soil borne disease.
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Very true. Keep your crop from the soil can avoid many diseases especially on our climate. But that can be not true as well. But keep certain crop away from RAIN, is the best way from cotrolling disease. Most of the farmer will use rotation method to fix fertility of the soil, eg.some crop can fix the soil which is lack of N, but other will withdraw fully the N.

Those grow in tray/grow beg or compost media, they are very much well manage their NPK level for that particular crop, they not water just with plain water, they water compost tea or seaweed extract or worm casting tea.

Both bacteria and worms composting is really good for the soil, it just composting using bacteria need to be in HOT compost, not cold compost. Cold compost finishing will not have much nutritien value compare with hot compost.

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Mmm.... Just got back from Cameron Highlands. Was not very impressed with most of the farms. The only thing that really impressed me was how they managed to keep the hill zone farms functional despite the steepness of the slope. Oh, and also the orang asli village.

Interesting note about the rain borne disease part. Yet seeing how countries like Thailand, China, and Indon can produce high quality perishable produce with rain-feeding method tells somethings else... Well ya, they do use heavy amounts of chemicals, but that's what you get from the Green Revolution.

Strawberries... Not very true... Commercial trials have already shown success in cultivating strawberries in lowland areas. Kelantan has shown good results. Same thing with grapes. Almost anyone you ask would tell you grapes need to be cultivated under cooling weather, when in reality grapes has part of its cultivation origin traced to Egypt. I've grown both grapes and strawberries in Sepang on a hobby scale, and they have born good fruits. If anyone knows Sepang well enough, they would know how scorching hot it can be.

Speaking of the elevated bed/tray method, saw that too at Cameron. Vegetables looked really nice, but as bro Chinchillas pointed out, they really managed the inputs very well to get those results.

To me, I would be in favour of something like that. Not because of disease or anything like that, but more of control and management. It is far more easier and efficient to do quality control on your produce if done that way. Right from the start, you are delivering equal inputs to all your crops, assuming you're using crop of uniform profiles of course.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 15 2008, 12:57 AM)
Mmm.... Just got back from Cameron Highlands. Was not very impressed with most of the farms. The only thing that really impressed me was how they managed to keep the hill zone farms functional despite the steepness of the slope. Oh, and also the orang asli village.

Interesting note about the rain borne disease part. Yet seeing how countries like Thailand, China, and Indon can produce high quality perishable produce with rain-feeding method tells somethings else... Well ya, they do use heavy amounts of chemicals, but that's what you get from the Green Revolution.

Strawberries... Not very true... Commercial trials have already shown success in cultivating strawberries in lowland areas. Kelantan has shown good results. Same thing with grapes. Almost anyone you ask would tell you grapes need to be cultivated under cooling weather, when in reality grapes has part of its cultivation origin traced to Egypt. I've grown both grapes and strawberries in Sepang on a hobby scale, and they have born good fruits. If anyone knows Sepang well enough, they would know how scorching hot it can be.

Speaking of the elevated bed/tray method, saw that too at Cameron. Vegetables looked really nice, but as bro Chinchillas pointed out, they really managed the inputs very well to get those results.

To me, I would be in favour of something like that. Not because of disease or anything like that, but more of control and management. It is far more easier and efficient to do quality control on your produce if done that way. Right from the start, you are delivering equal inputs to all your crops, assuming you're using crop of uniform profiles of course.
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Ah... Then I wan to visit the strawberry farm in Sepang! See weather it taste sweet or sour.
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Strawberry farm in Sepang? Where got strawberry farm in Sepang? That is in Kelantan lar..... The Sepang one (Selangor) was my own hobby planting, and no they were not excessively sour, nor were they extremely sweet. Still good nonetheless.

The sweetness/quality of fruit can be manipulated under the right conditioning, eg. fertilizer inputs, soil pH, water KH, solar intensity etc. Of course, it is easier to cultivate certain crops if the right conditions are available at hand, then there are just a few parameters to play with. But if given no such easily available conditions, then the modern agriculturist has to get the crop to adapt, or adapt themselves to the conditions.

Just one example, cocoa. In the past, every planter swore that cocoa is a shade crop, requiring minimal shade reduction over time, and if exposed to too much sunlight, will not thrive. Why? Simply because cocoa was from the Amazon rainforest, and grew amongst the midland forest regions where light intensity was at median. However in Tawau, cocoa is planted bare, without shade trees, and yet they are one the highest cocoa producing places in the world, and they produce some of the finest cocoa in the world too. How could this be? The agriculturist who did it made the crop adapt; That same agriculturist also adapted as well.

Change is inevitable; to move forward, change must happen. Isaac Newton once stated that no one can be a mere observer, for even the observer is a participant of a given system. No one observes something without imprinting an effect on that thing, and thereby changing it.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 15 2008, 05:21 PM)
Change is inevitable; to move forward, change must happen. Isaac Newton once stated that no one can be a mere observer, for even the observer is a participant of a given system. No one observes something without imprinting an effect on that thing, and thereby changing it.
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I like this sentence, can I quote you and save this under my list of meaningful quotes?
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Sure brother, no prob at all... I'm just resonating the wisdom of those who came before me.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 15 2008, 05:21 PM)
Strawberry farm in Sepang? Where got strawberry farm in Sepang? That is in Kelantan lar..... The Sepang one (Selangor) was my own hobby planting, and no they were not excessively sour, nor were they extremely sweet. Still good nonetheless.

The sweetness/quality of fruit can be manipulated under the right conditioning, eg. fertilizer inputs, soil pH, water KH, solar intensity etc. Of course, it is easier to cultivate certain crops if the right conditions are available at hand, then there are just a few parameters to play with. But if given no such easily available conditions, then the modern agriculturist has to get the crop to adapt, or adapt themselves to the conditions.

Just one example, cocoa. In the past, every planter swore that cocoa is a shade crop, requiring minimal shade reduction over time, and if exposed to too much sunlight, will not thrive. Why? Simply because cocoa was from the Amazon rainforest, and grew amongst the midland forest regions where light intensity was at median. However in Tawau, cocoa is planted bare, without shade trees, and yet they are one the highest cocoa producing places in the world, and they produce some of the finest cocoa in the world too. How could this be? The agriculturist who did it made the crop adapt; That same agriculturist also adapted as well.

Change is inevitable; to move forward, change must happen. Isaac Newton once stated that no one can be a mere observer, for even the observer is a participant of a given system. No one observes something without imprinting an effect on that thing, and thereby changing it.
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Izzit? Never realized Tawau Cocoa so famous, but their products sure are good stuff, try if you can find some Hoko 3in1 coco drink in the supermarket, they pwned milo inside out in taste.

I do know agriculture play a great part in contributing to Tawau economy, most of them cash crops(Oil palm and Cocoa, etc), vegetable and fruit farmers do not have too many local demand, the population are quite low in Sabah.

Was classmate to the daughters from the family who operate the largest cocoa plantation and some oil palm plantation during highschool.

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Oh yes brother, it is very famous. The some of quality Tawau cocoa is much better than Ghana one even, which is the standard grading for high grade cocoa.

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Hi there, I've been reading about the worm breeding and I was wondering where to start? I have 2 frens going for the course, 1 on the 19th and 1 on the 22nd. But I would really like to have a look at the farm myself first to get a clearer picture? Anyone willing to let me see your earthworm farm. Kindly PM me your e-mail or contact number. I'm planning to start this project next week. The IT market is bad, why not we make our money in breeding worm, after all we don't have to monitor them 24/7 still got time to go leveling if anyone playing online game biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(utaikamah @ Apr 18 2008, 05:33 AM)
Hi there, I've been reading about the worm breeding and I was wondering where to start? I have 2 frens going for the course, 1 on the 19th and 1 on the 22nd. But I would really like to have a look at the farm myself first to get a clearer picture? Anyone willing to let me see your earthworm farm. Kindly PM me your e-mail or contact number. I'm planning to start this project next week. The IT market is bad, why not we make our money in breeding worm, after all we don't have to monitor them 24/7 still got time to go leveling if anyone playing online game biggrin.gif
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Hi there, I myself is also in the realm of IT, it is indeed good to take action for good purpose. But it is very important to do your homework. Keeping worm not as easy as it sound like, if you overfed the worm, you will find them overran you fruit fly maggots. And there is no hard and fast rules for breeding worms.

I am encouraging agriculture for the purpose of better quality and more rewarding life. Remember not too spend too much time in beating up dungeon monsters leveling all day once you decide to start any business, expect yourself to work 2x harder when running your own business.
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I'm from Tawau and i also dont know the cocoa is so good there.
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Hmmm.... Tawau cocoa is regarded the best in the Asian region lei.. i terms of production, it is ranked 3 after Cote d'Ivore and Ghana.

Maybe the reason why many Malaysians dont know the quality of Tawau cocoa is because it is largely used in high grade stuff, especially the cocoa butter.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 18 2008, 12:16 PM)
Hmmm.... Tawau cocoa is regarded the best in the Asian region lei.. in terms of production, it is ranked 3 after Cote d'Ivore and Ghana.

Maybe the reason why many Malaysians dont know the quality of Tawau cocoa is because it is largely used in high grade stuff, especially the cocoa butter.
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Fyi, Hoko is made in Tawau, and I think its quite good.

Just that they are more focusing in export market rather then doing much in local market. This is reasonable because Tawau has a low demand due to low population compare to city.

And hence thats why the cocoa estate company in Tawau is making billions.

We have plenty of world class products here in Malaysia, another example is in Sibu, Shell has a first in the world and once the largest in the world(now should be replaced by some middle east country) natural gas processing plant that produce liquid fuel with natural gas(GTL).

Not like some high profile white elephants, the best things work quietly in the background.

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