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utaikamah
post Apr 20 2008, 03:29 PM

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wah kianwei8..where u buy the baby worm? how much ar? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2008, 03:32 PM

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omg , i want some worms too , mind to share where u get it ?
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post Apr 20 2008, 11:29 PM

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paiseh ,other ppl d, my one soon
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post Apr 22 2008, 12:39 AM

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Anyone got experience in opening a mushroom farm? Mind to share?
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post Apr 22 2008, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(jcvstlys @ Apr 22 2008, 12:39 AM)
Anyone got experience in opening a mushroom farm? Mind to share?
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hmm...mushroom? organic ones? I heard that mushroom will eat up loads of ur time sweat.gif


Added on April 22, 2008, 8:16 am
QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Apr 20 2008, 11:29 PM)
paiseh ,other ppl d, my one soon
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can u ask that someone how much he buy? can i buy from him the baby worm? plsssssssssssSSSSS? drool.gif

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post Apr 22 2008, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 19 2008, 10:30 AM)

These are IMHO, but I seriously thought that by getting salary from your company, is nearly as good as getting pocket money under the care of your parent.

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Nar Rexis, parents will bite their fingers and still give you the best when time's tough;
Your employer .... hohoho, will say Merry X'mas and Byebye to you.

On the part where you commented that everyone only looks at the numbers.

Hmm, well, most people are superficial, you can never please them alone by numbers.
Too little < they look down on you
Too much > they jealous and think you're a stuck up or they rush to suck your thumb

I always believe the desire for money can only go this far, but the desire to provide society's need is the more likely reason that fuel an endless cycle of innovation and wealth.


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post Apr 22 2008, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(jcvstlys @ Apr 22 2008, 12:39 AM)
Anyone got experience in opening a mushroom farm? Mind to share?
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No i dont have experience in mushroom farm, I am more like experienced with eating them biggrin.gif

However, growing mushroom is surprisingly easy. In the early days, a mushroom grower start up from his backyard and now operating a mushroom factory which chunk out tons of mushroom weekly. Theres also another example that a women who operated a mushroom factory(aka mushroom hut) and gain considerable success, with business volumes worth millions annually. These are the success stories.

The ingredients to grow mushroom
- growing material
- mushroom mycelium
- plastic bag
- pressure cooker
Fill plastic bags with growing material, disinfect the stuff in the pressure cooker, and then apply mycelium and keep it in a dark and cool warehouse and wait for mushroom. Of course, there are details like housekeeping, extend harvesting period, etc.

Typical return from a bag of growing material is about 200-300 grams of mushroom over 4 months, but another mushroom grower is reported being able to gather up to 1kg of mushroom over 6 months with better growing material and mushroom hut moisture and temperature control.

Wholesale price of oyster mushroom is about RM5.50-6.00, and supermarket sell them for about RMm8.00.

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Growing Material

They mainly consist of agricultural, timber, forestry waste products, such as saw dust, rice straw, rice bran, etc. In a typical oyster mushroom growing bag, there are about 90% of saw dust and 10% of rice bran, different origin of waste material contain different nutrition value(for mushroom)and could yield different result, some might work better then the other. I have read about a mushroom grower try mix corn flour in the bag and yield a slightly different taste mushroom.

Do note that since mushroom quality is directly influenced by the growing material, therefore any chemical, heavy metal residue on the planting material will directly pollute your mushroom.

You can either choose to mix your own growing material as well as bag, sterilize, plant the mushroom yourself, which required a large pressure cooker for this purpose as well as large mixer machine to stir up the materials. Its a lot of work and required plenty of capital.

Or you can purchase a sterilized mushroom bag from a mushroom grower/factory. All you need is a ventilated room with water sprayer fans to keep them.

Mycelium

Mycelium is the true body of mushroom, something like a root of a plant, but its not a root. You can choose to purchase mycelium of certain mushroom(oyster, straw, wood ear, ganoderma, etc)

It is possible to breed mycelium yourself but you required a lab to do so. Its tough to isolate a pure mycelium without being contaminated by wild fungus.

Plastic bags and pressure cooker

Plastic bags as well as a special cap(or simply a ring to hold an opening on the bag is being used to hold the planting material, while pressure cooker is important for wiping out all the rest of the alien spores and fungus so that nothing else will disturb your mushroom.

PS: dedicated discussion thread here

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post Apr 22 2008, 04:09 PM

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Thanks for the write up rexis. very detail. Anyway, anyone know where to take the course for this? Have been looking and all is located in pahang or kedah for the course. M hoping to get somewhere nearer since m still studying.
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QUOTE(jcvstlys @ Apr 22 2008, 04:09 PM)
Thanks for the write up rexis. very detail. Anyway, anyone know where to take the course for this? Have been looking and all is located in pahang or kedah for the course. M hoping to get somewhere nearer since m still studying.
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jcvstlys, the guide is quite brief, there are more details about what nutrient can be used for increase production, humidity and temperature control, how to clone and breed new breed, etc etc etc. The magazine Today Agriculture sometimes organize mushroom training course but its been more then 2 months since I read the magazine - not sure are they still operating. I know there is one mushroom farm that sometimes organize training course for whoever interested. And I am quite sure that whoever selling any mushroom substrate to you are willing to guide you as well.

Or since the method is pretty straight forward, you can choose to learn the details by doing it biggrin.gif I personally hv tried purchased some oyster mushroom from hypermarket and successfully(pure white silky thread) isolated some mycelium on a glass of jelly, all according to the guides found in the internet. Never planted the mycelium on any substrate thou, my apartment really too small for a mushroom hut.

Should you need any mushroom contacts, I can try dig dig my library.
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post Apr 23 2008, 12:18 PM

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Forget oil, the new global crisis is food

BMO strategist Donald Coxe warns credit crunch and soaring oil prices will pale in comparison to looming catastrophe

Wheat prices alone have risen 92% in the past year, and yesterday closed at US$9.45 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade.

At the centre of the imminent food catastrophe is corn - the main staple of the ethanol industry. The price of corn has risen about 44% over the past 15 months, closing at US$4.66 a bushel on the CBOT yesterday - its best finish since June 1996.

Food Crisis Feared as Fertile Land Runs Out
Maps show 40% of Earth's land is used for agriculture
Growing human 'footprint' a risk to the environment


Crisis= Chance
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post Apr 23 2008, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(kianwei8 @ Apr 23 2008, 12:18 PM)
- as above -
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FYI,
1 bushel of wheat is 60 lb or 27.2kg
1 bushel of shelled corn is 56 lb or 25.4kg

So,
US$9.45/bushel of wheat = US$347.43/tonne
US$4.66/bushel of corn = US$183.46/tonne

Did I get the figure wrong? I recalled that a few months back corn price was at over RM1000 per ton?
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post Apr 23 2008, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 23 2008, 04:02 PM)
FYI,
1 bushel of wheat is 60 lb or 27.2kg
1 bushel of shelled corn is 56 lb or 25.4kg

So,
US$9.45/bushel of wheat = US$347.43/tonne
US$4.66/bushel of corn = US$183.46/tonne

Did I get the figure wrong? I recalled that a few months back corn price was at over RM1000 per ton?
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Wanna know why? Cause alot of angmo start to eat rice...thanks to roti canai, capati, naan and tandoori...it was a big hit in Germany last 2 years.. thumbup.gif now the angmo dun wanna eat their spaghetti and bun and whatever they are eating...

and now thailand got cheat code to make paddy harvest-able in 90 days (if i'm not mistaken) perlis start project liao..whoever's kampung is planting paddy...better go back and plant..good money! brows.gif


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QUOTE(utaikamah @ Apr 23 2008, 11:32 PM)
Wanna know why? Cause alot of angmo start to eat rice...thanks to roti canai, capati, naan and tandoori...it was a big hit in Germany last 2 years..  thumbup.gif now the angmo dun wanna eat their spaghetti and bun and whatever they are eating...

and now thailand got cheat code to make paddy harvest-able in 90 days (if i'm not mistaken) perlis start project liao..whoever's kampung is planting paddy...better go back and plant..good money!  brows.gif
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Har serious in 90days? Where to get the info? I will need it...hehe. Family is planting paddy.
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post Apr 24 2008, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 24 2008, 01:33 AM)
Har serious in 90days? Where to get the info? I will need it...hehe. Family is planting paddy.
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where to get it? shocking.gif ngehehehe...thailand has that technology. Thats all I know. sweat.gif Infor? Simple. Have to find jalan from thailand people. brows.gif
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anyone can sell me 100 to 200 gram worm?i was thinking wan to bleed the worm myself..thanks..cos the seller i know need to sell at least 1 kg..
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QUOTE(utaikamah @ Apr 24 2008, 08:38 AM)
where to get it?  shocking.gif  ngehehehe...thailand has that technology. Thats all I know.  sweat.gif  Infor? Simple. Have to find jalan from thailand people.  brows.gif
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Harr....will thai people tell? The last time i read about them, they very protective of themselves and protects the local business from foreigners. OH well...... blink.gif
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QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM)
anyone can sell me 100 to 200 gram worm?i was thinking wan to bleed the worm myself..thanks..cos the seller i know need to sell at least 1 kg..
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I can share with you but that is only when I get my place ready, that is after next month I plan to rent another cheap apartment or room.
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There are source of fish filleting by product which is fresh water fish and also the water waste. But dunno how to deal with it. Normally js grind it to feed the fish. Even it can process to become fish mill but have been tried in kedah there they fail to process it due to high fat content. =.=

Is a good source of protein, calcium and phosphate. guys u all have any way out??

Beside that the water waste also high in nitrogen sources which suitable for fermentation. But i have no ideal to get buyer now we js treat it with aerobic bacteria to consume out the waste..... so dam waste...

Ya when processing we get lot of fish skin... u guy got any way out? may let me know may b we can co-operate for it.


Added on April 24, 2008, 10:32 pmaddition for it we get fish oil when cook it and got some buyer for it for crude oil. anyone here also intrested ? gv the better price wakakka

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QUOTE(friends!! @ Apr 24 2008, 10:29 PM)
There are source of fish filleting by product which is fresh water fish and also the water waste. But dunno how to deal with it. Normally js grind it to feed the fish. Even it can process to become fish mill but have been tried in kedah there they fail to process it due to high fat content. =.=

Is a good source of protein, calcium and phosphate. guys u all have any way out??

Beside that the water waste also high in nitrogen sources which suitable for fermentation. But i have no ideal to get buyer now we js treat it with aerobic bacteria to consume out the waste..... so dam waste...

Ya when processing we get lot of fish skin... u guy got any way out? may let me know may b we can co-operate for it.


Added on April 24, 2008, 10:32 pmaddition for it we get fish oil when cook it and got some buyer for it for crude oil. anyone here also intrested ? gv the better price wakakka
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i am sorry but i couldnt understand what you are trying to say ?
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Hmmm...

Sounds like our friend here has a fish fillet processing business that has a lot of by-products, i.e. fish skin, fish gut, bones etc. as well as the waste water from the whole process. What he had done before was to pulverize the waste and feed them to the fish. At one point, it was processed as fish meal in Kedah, but unfortunately it failed terribly due to the high fatty acid content. I believe he had sent the fish meal for analysis, which showed a high protein, calcium and phosphate content (consistent with skin, gut, and bone material).

So now, he's asking for solutions to all this waste. How to turn it into some value added material. The waste water has also been found to be highly nitrogenous, and suitable for fermentation(?), yet he has no ideal buyer of this waste material, so he just use aerobic fermentation processes to break it down.

The other thing he has is fish oil. Not sure if he's asking for better price for his oil, or if he's suggesting he would give a better price for anyone who wants to take it.

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