i dont know wether this is the place for me to ask but i want to know where can i get wheat bran for animal feeding ??

in other country , they can get it from feed store but i dont know where to get it here..

any help please ??

hi,

i think this info can get from the state pertanian office. which state are you in ?

Hi people,

another update from me... 24/10/2007

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These buggers have really grown in size


This is what is fed to them 2-3 times a day


Feeding Frenzy - which is a good thing


Feeding Frenzy 2- which is a good thing

Heyy, para your fish are kicking there!

ow yes this is some place you can ask, I just happened to have a grain trader contact

07-2385218 - Min Tien Grain Importer / Distributor

Ask them are who can you talk to regarding what they are selling.

They are trading all kind of grain, including grains like maize for animal feed, there is a good change that you will find information from them.

...but, what are you feeding anyway? If its just one or two bird or a can of mealworms, I think a grain trader is not what you are looking for(unless you are buying a few tons of them). No harm trying thou.

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In Malaysia we do not plant wheat, and we need to import most of our animal feed grain. Therefore, our choice might not be that complete. Wheat bran is like a by product from wheat processing, what we have is like rice bran, oil palm seed cake...

This post has been edited by rexis: Oct 24 2007, 05:23 PM

yea.. im actually finding those for my mealworms..
i did emailed them but no reply so far.. lol..

erm.. anyone knows are there other alternatives to feed my mealworms ??
i need alot to feed them and those oats available in grocery store cost too much..

actually when i see those guys on a feeding frenzy i get really excited. its so good to see them healthy...

para.. you called my friend yet?

did he help you?

brother...

sorry havent gotten the time to call Rocky .. maybe in a week or 2 cause have been travelling recently...

Woooow, cool thread. I really didn't know this thread existed. Well, a bit of introduction of myself. My name is Amir and I'm 24 years old. Soon to be working as a PTD officer. I have 7 acres of land in Sungai Merab (Near to Bandar Baru Bangi and Putrajaya) which before this I didn't know what to do with it. My friend introduced me to Agarwood/Gaharu a few weeks ago and I started to do a lot of research on it. In my opinion, I think it has a lot of potential to make money.Currently I have 10 trees which I recently bought (No money yet ) and would buy more trees soon.Maybe next month I will start to plant 1000+ trees on my land.Well if anyone interested or currently planting these trees, do inform me. Maybe we could work together.

Check out my thread in finance and business section.

Bila menyebut gaharu, ramai di antara kita yang membayangkan harganya yang begitu mahal sehingga ada yang mengatakan ia lebih bernilai dari emas. Harganya boleh mencecah sehingga RM14,000 - RM20,000 sekilogram untuk kepingan gaharu yang bermutu tinggi. Namun, semua hasil ini diambil dari hutan dan kini realitinya, pokok karas diancam kepupusan.Tanpa kesedaran untuk penanaman semula, negara kita mungkin tidak lagi dapat mengeksport hasil gaharu yang begitu tinggi permintaannya ke negara-negara Timur Tengah dan juga negara lain seperti Taiwan, Jepun dan sebagainya. Mungkin kita patut menoleh ke negara jiran yang lain seperti Indonesia, Thailand dan Myamar, mereka sudah jauh meninggalkan kita dari segi teknologi dan perladangan.
Mungkin, kekurangan sumber maklumat yang tepat dan juga permulaan modal yang tinggi untuk diusahakan secara komersil menjadi faktor ia kurang diminati. Wajar, agensi - agensi kerajaan yang ada memainkan peranan dalam menyalurkan fakta yang lengkap dan perkembangan teknologi harus dicapai dalam usaha menjadikan ia sebagai industri direalisasikan.Ramai di antara kita yang tidak sedar, usaha penanaman pokok karas sudahpun dilakukan oleh beberapa agensi yang ada di beberapa tempat di negara kita, juga penyelidikan dalam penghasilan gaharu melalui kaedah suntikan dan inokulasi juga giat dijalankan.Namun, kurangnya pendedahan dan pengumpulan maklumat, ia kurang memberi impak dalam pelaksanaannya.Untuk mereka yang berminat dalam penanaman pokok karas, mungkin ada berita gembira. Mulai tahun hadapan (2007), teknologi dalam penghasilan gaharu akan dibawa masuk ke negara kita. Usaha menjemput Prof. Blanchette oleh satu agensi kerajaan adalah sangat tepat pada masanya. Namun, jika kita tidak menanamnya, teknologi tiada makna.Berbalik kepada usaha penanaman pokok karas secara ladang, beberapa faktor harus dipertimbangkan seperti pemilihan anak benih, jarak tanaman, kaedah tanaman, kaedah suntikan dan pasaran. Ia harus dinilai untuk meminimakan risiko yang ada dan mendapat hasil yang maksima selepas 7 tahun pelaburan.Pertamanya, pemilihan anak benih sering menjadi persoalan. Ada yang mengatakan spesis A lebih baik dari spesis B dan ada yang sebaliknya kerana ia lebih cepat membesar dan lebih mahal. Seharusnya kita meneliti semula beberapa kajian, pokok karas sebenarnya mempunyai method yang berbeza dengan pokok lain. Pokok yang sihat dan membesar dengan cepat menghasilkan resin gaharu yang sedikit berbanding pokok yang sakit dan diganggu. Ia sebenarnya selari dengan kejadian semulajadi gaharu di dalam hutan, pokok yang berada di kawasan berbatu dan mengalami tindakbalas kecederaan yang teruk menghasilkan gaharu yang lebih bermutu. Kita juga harus melihat kepada permintaan pasaran, spesis manakah yang menjadi pilihan pembeli dan mempunyai harga yang tinggi. Spesis Aquilaria Malaccencis adalah merupakan salah satu spesis yang mempunyai nilai komersil yang tinggi.Manakala kaedah penanaman, jarak penanaman 6"x6" atau 10"x10" menghasilkan jumlah tanaman pada 430 pokok atau 1,000 pokok seekar. Penanaman secara intergrasi adalah lebih meminimunkan risiko, malahan memberi pulangan jangka pendek yang boleh menampung kos keseluruhan. Sulaman boleh dilakukan dengan tanaman herba dan tanaman kontang. Penjarakkan yang sesuai harus dilihat. Selepas pokok karas mencapai usia 5 tahun, suntikan sejenis enzim dilakukan untuk penghasilan gaharu dan dibiarkan selama 2 tahun sebelum mendapat hasil. Perlu diingatkan, tanpa teknologi ini pokok karas tidak akan membentuk gaharu di dalamnya. Berbeza dengan semulajadi, gaharu terbentuk pada usia pokok 20 - 40 tahun melalui gangguan oleh fizikal atau microrganisme.
Banyak laporan di dada akhbar dan laman web, menyatakan setiap pokok menghasilkan gaharu bernilai sehingga RM14,000 - RM18,000. Tetapi, kita perlu menilai setiap aspek dan risiko. Mungkin tidak keterlaluan jika kita meletakkan RM1,000 sahaja untuk sepokok yang menghasilkan gaharu. Bayangkan anda menanam 1,000 pokok dan anda tentu dapat mengira angkanya. Malahan jika hanya 50% sahaja yang menjadi, jumlah pendapatannya masih tinggi! Oleh itu, amat penting untuk kita semua memperolehi sebanyak mungkin maklumat untuk merealisasikan penanaman pokok karas secara ladang. Diharapkan ada agensi yang bertindak sebagai pemantau dan dapat menyimpan data semua ladang karas di negara kita. Maklumat sebegini amat berguna untuk rujukan dimasa akan datang.


Anggaran Kos Permulaan Penanaman (Kelantan) bagi Seekar Tanah


1)Membersih tanah- RM500.00

2)Anak Pokok 10 Bulan (RM5.00 x 430 pokok)- RM2150.00

3)Baja C.I.R.P (RM0.50 x 430 ketul)- RM215.00

4)Kos penanaman (RM1.00 x 430 pokok)- RM430.00

5)Sistem siraman (anggaran polypaip untuk seekar)- RM3500.00

6)Kayu penegak / buluh (RM0.50 x 430 batang)- RM215.00

JUMLAH- RM7,010.00


Anggaran Kos untuk 7 tahun Seekar Tanah


1)Kos penanaman awal- RM7,010.00

2)Pembajaan C.I.R.P (3 x 3 tahun x RM0.50 x 430 pokok)- RM1,935.00

3)Penjagaan / pembersihan kawasan (RM 200 x 7 tahun)- RM1,400.00

4)Kos suntikan/ inducement pada tahun ke - 5 (RM50 x 430 pokok)- RM21,500.00

5)Kos penebangan pokok dan kutipan hasi- RMl3,500.00

6)Lain-lain kos (pagar / jagaan dsbnya)- RM5000.00

JUMLAH- RM41,345.00


GAHARU - Anggaran Hasil

Anggaran hasil minimun RM 1,000.00 sepokok.

Seekar (430 pokok)

- 100% RM 430,000.00

- 80% RM 344,000.00

- 50% RM 215,000.00


Jadual Gred di Pasaran/Agarwood Pricing


Buat masa ini tiada gred yang seragam dan selalunya berbeza mengikut negeri. Berikut adalah gred yang dikeluarkan oleh JPSM dalam Bengkel Penyeragaman Penggredan Gaharu di Semenanjung Malaysia pada awal bulan Jun 2007 yang lalu di Kuala Lipis Pahang.

Harga (perkilogram)/ Price (perkilogram)

Gred Super A-RM 25,000 ke atas

Gred A-RM 20,000

Gred B-RM 18,000

Gred C-RM 15,000

Gred D-RM 8,000

Gred E-RM 3,000

Lain-lain Gred-RM 500 - RM 1,000

Gred Kayu untuk Minyak-RM 5 - RM 100

Minyak Gaharu-RM 300 - RM 350/ tola (12gm)



Sorry guys,I dont have the English version.Hope this is ok.

Could someone please teach me how to put pictures in posts?

This post has been edited by amirbashah: Oct 30 2007, 12:02 PM

hi amir,

welcome to the thread.

what is a PTD Officer ? please enlighten us. thanks

about posting pictures you can go to sites like ImageShack to open an account and upload your picture there. Then get a link and paste it here so people can access it. thanks

wow
i really interested in agriculture & aquaculture
i planning to join this business on next year
ya i know...still need to learn many things
then next few years...i slowly converted to full-time businessmen
tired with office life already

PTD stands for Pegawai Tadbir dan Diplomatik. I work for the government. So what do you honestly think about this agarwood business? Does it have any potential? And one more thing, could you please give me some suggestions on what other plants, tress or livestocks which have potential to make money. I'm currently planting agarwood but to avoid risk, I have to diversify. In my opinion planting chilies or other vegetables require a lot of work. Livestocks as well. So I'm really interested in something that doesn't require a lot of effort or less training. I want YOUR SUGGESTIONS. Thanks for teaching me on how to upload pictures.

This post has been edited by amirbashah: Oct 31 2007, 12:13 PM


Attached thumbnail(s)

sorry i am using PhotoBucket. not too sure about Image Shack. try it and tinker about it.

PTD of which department ?

about your agarwood business definitely the figures looks inviting but have you surveyed enough about it and its market. sometimes the report or news can say alot of wonderful wonderful things but it aint to be. i hope you can do more research.

for the plants or livestocks, suggest you go for cash crops like 4-6 mths crops that would be faster. actually agriculture need lots of work. so you cant be lazy and take the easy way out...

This post has been edited by ParaOpticaL: Oct 31 2007, 12:13 PM

Actually I haven't start working and don't know which department yet. I'll start working in 2 weeks time. Going to Sungai Petani for training.

About agarwood, I only heard a lot of good news but I think there are drawbacks as well. That's why I'm looking for another business too. To minimize risk. I still haven't stop doing research.

Not lazy, just I couldn't monitor my plants/livestocks as often as I could because of my job commitment in the future. I'm not a full time business man as you are.

Could you please explain to me about your business? How much capital needed? What kind of training I have to go through? How much does a kilo of those fish cost in the market (The pricing)? And anything that would interest me. Cakap Melayu lagi senang.

do keep us updated on which dept you would be heading might be of help later.

continue your research on agarwood and enlighten us.

if you are not full time then you need to hire someone to tend to your cash crop if not then no point in planting anything. sure need maintenance one.

i am doing fish farming in fibre glass tanks. its well documented in the thread. just take your time to go through it. training wise just go for course either by private or govt organised then would be ok.

Just to let you guys know, there's this one old guy planting gaharu on his 30 acres land. A Japanese investor wants to buy the trees for RM60 million.


RM60,000,000.

This post has been edited by amirbashah: Oct 31 2007, 07:49 PM

You should really find cheaper alternative for cost effective mealworm production, there are many things you can consider other then oat, I suggest you call them personally and they are willing to talk to you. There should be some grain distrubutor in yellow pages.

How much mealworms you are breeding anyway O.o" commercial scale?

There are many things you can utilize as well, and free:
- milked santan, a waste product, you can go to whever ever processing/selling santan
- coffee ground, from all coffee shop
- soy bean pulp(whatever they left after using the beans)
- fruit pulp from juice stall
Sun dry all the ingrediants above, preferbly microwave for 3 mins/steam for 1 hours before using to prevent any unwanted lifeform

Make sure, make sure, make sure... pesticide free, otherwise the result is devastating, I hv 4 huge caterpillars here die for nothing eating pesticided vege... bugs stand no change to pesticide. (oh ya, i tends to keep some of my discoveries while im processing my meal)

Feel the same here, I am really tired of this office prison and undergoing my prison breaking now.

Hello amir
I am delighted to read about your post regarding agarwood, you hv opened up a new topic in this thread, and what you considered has went thru my mind as well, I dont hv time to stay in farm all day, is there anything passive I can plant?

I am thinking about tree nursery, while yet to find too much information about it, but as you said, it shouldn't need as much care as a short term farm.

Can you give me the contact about where did you get those small agarwood seedlings?

To post picture in forum you can host them in http://imageshack.us/ and put the link here using LYN "IMG" button.

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Added on November 7, 2007, 10:30 amAt first glance, I have some thought about your fragrance tree project:

- Allocate more space for your trees, there has been cases that people trying to farm hardwood in high density but end up getting a bunch of worthless tall and thin trees. Indeed, you can plant a high density and chop off whichever trees that is not doing so well after they grow big to maximize production, but this means more work, more cost. So, utilize 10'x10 or even 12'x12' space

- Make sure you get the technology correct, the article mentioned about injecting an enzime to the trees after 5 years, do you where to get those? And are you sure they worked? Its unlikely we wait it for 20 years so the trees develop naturally.

- Given the price the end harvest will fetch as you posted, you dont expect that they will sit there safely waiting you to chop them anytime, proper monitoring should be given and perhaps you need to pagar the place as well. Someone on site full time is helpful.

- Do intercropping, get a partner and establish a mutual agreement, I am sending you a porposal so part of the fertilizer and goodness applied intercropping will benefit your trees as well, and the land will be properly managed so tall grasses wont outgrow your trees, they are the thing that can suck up most of the nutrients. After the trees grow up, you can rear cow/goats among them, they can use the shade.

- Build a small house there so you can spend a nice weekend there once a while! Or drop an old container there like our tread starter for this purpose

. . . .

BTW, can post a link to your B&F thread?

This post has been edited by rexis: Nov 7 2007, 10:30 AM

wah so fast getting a proposal done ar ?

below is a news about Agarwood.

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Have research site for agarwood, state urged

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wed...2078859/Article

DUNGUN: Turn the Karas plantation in the Merchang reserve forest here into a research site for agarwood.
This was the call made by the Peninsular Malaysia Fores-try Department to the state government.

The agarwood or gaharu from the Aquilaria malaccensis tree, a local species also known as the Karas tree, can grow more than 36 metres in height, is threatened by extinction due to illegal collection.

It has several benefits including medicinal properties such as a cure for fever, stomach pains and body aches. It also has anti-cancer properties.

According to a report by the Convention on International Trade, Peninsular Malaysia exported 450 tonnes of gaharu between 1995 and 1999 to countries such as Hong Kong, India, Japan, Egypt, Oman and Saudi Arabia.
The department's director-general, Datuk Seri Azahar Muda said that with a research site, the country would be able to tap into this potential.

"Currently, there aren't any detailed studies on the species. The information we have is very general.

"This is why it is important we have a site to do further research, especially since the interest in gaharu has ballooned in recent years.

"The information gleaned from the research can then be used as a guide for parties interested, especially private companies, in exploiting its potential," he said after visiting the site on Monday.

The 47-hectare site for the pilot project -- previously covered with the highly invasive Acacia mangium -- is planted with 39,500 trees.

Azahar also urges states in the peninsula to plant the Karas tree on vacant land due to its commercial value. On average, an adult tree can bring in up to RM18,000 after harvesting.

So far there are two plantations, one in Kuala Lipis and one in Raub, Pahang owned by a private company.

Reposted from another agriculture thread.

Repost from another thread.

This post has been edited by ParaOpticaL: Nov 19 2007, 11:00 AM