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da_devil
post Jan 10 2008, 05:46 PM

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just wanna ask
if i buy chilli seeds and other agro stuff from ebay or oversea do i need to apply any permit?
because im quite scared if the customs hold the shipment and accused me of smuggling or somethin like that

any help would be apreciated
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post Jan 15 2008, 04:41 PM

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for chilli seeds imo u can get a good one here, no need to buy from oversea. pm me what u require n i'll try to assist u smile.gif
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QUOTE(da_devil @ Jan 10 2008, 05:46 PM)
just wanna ask
if i buy chilli seeds and other agro stuff from ebay or oversea do i need to apply any permit?
because im quite scared if the customs hold the shipment and accused me of smuggling or somethin like that

any help would be apreciated
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By law you do required to apply for permit. It should be apply thru customs for quarentein clearance. Or contact customs and they should have some idea about who you should speak to.

But people do able to "smuggle" in foreign life form via mail packages, sometimes customs will confestigate it, sometime the packages will just got thru. I do recall that there was a group of uni researchers that ordered some earthworms thru the internet, and they got it thru mail. Another famous example is that our rubber trees are actually smuggled in from brazil during the early days in the form of rubber seed, and hence we have all our rubber trees.

So, if you really want to order chili seeds from oversea, its better that you apply for permit first. As quality chili seeds usually cost as much as real gold by weight. Dont do something like me - send a mooncake box to hometown and it never arrive.

Mind tell us why you dont order from local provider? They are reputable and readily available, sometimes they can even provide technical assistance.


Added on January 18, 2008, 4:58 pmLately I was having some very informative chatting with Michael J.. We have been talking about mushroom seedings, plant cloning, and then oil palm.
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da_devil
post Jan 19 2008, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Jan 16 2008, 01:52 PM)
By law you do required to apply for permit. It should be apply thru customs for quarentein clearance. Or contact customs and they should have some idea about who you should speak to.

But people do able to "smuggle" in foreign life form via mail packages, sometimes customs will confestigate it, sometime the packages will just got thru. I do recall that there was a group of uni researchers that ordered some earthworms thru the internet, and they got it thru mail. Another famous example is that our rubber trees are actually smuggled in from brazil during the early days in the form of rubber seed, and hence we have all our rubber trees.

So, if you really want to order chili seeds from oversea, its better that you apply for permit first. As quality chili seeds usually cost as much as real gold by weight. Dont do something like me - send a mooncake box to hometown and it never arrive.

Mind tell us why you dont order from local provider? They are reputable and readily available, sometimes they can even provide technical assistance.


Note: Prickly Pear Cactus was brought into australia to plant around a farm as a living fence. However the Australia weather condition is so suitable to the cactus and soon it grown out of control and form an outbreak, covering significant area of farm lands and rendering they unusable therefore badly affecting food production.

Later they brought in a Moth species from where the cactus came from, and the Moth's caterpillar basically ate all the cactus and fixed the problem.
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im lookin for red savina habanero chili seeds
anyway i just cant find these seeds from local provider
all they provide is kulai,bird's eye and other hybrid such as F1,kulai king

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QUOTE(da_devil @ Jan 19 2008, 03:15 PM)
im lookin for red savina habanero chili seeds
anyway i just cant find these seeds from local provider
all they provide is kulai,bird's eye and other hybrid such as F1,kulai king
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hmm, lemme see, Red Savina Pepper is the 2nd hottest chili in the world.

Why picking this breed? Isnt it that it is better to plant something that is in demand? Not just Red Savina, we can barely see people selling cherry chili in local market.
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post Jan 30 2008, 09:04 PM

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yeah i would also like to know your reason in picking this kind of chilli.

is there a demand in the local market for it?
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post Jan 31 2008, 09:03 AM

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Maybe he is not looking at the local consumer market lei....?

Red Savina has excellent eating qualities even though it is really damn hot. A popular way of eating it is to make Chilli Poppers (ie remove seeds from ripe chilli core and fill it with melted cheese). On the international market, as well as local niche markets, the Red Savina does make its presence known.

I'm looking for African Bird's Eye chilli... Anybody knows anyone who supplies seeds in pulp?


Added on January 31, 2008, 9:05 amOh ya... Red Savina is no longer the 2nd hottest chilli.... The first is the Dorset Naga at 950,000 Scovilles, and second is the Joloika Naga at 850,000 Scovilles. Red Savina ranks 3rd at the latest poll, at a mere 350,000 Scovilles. I'll try to get a proper ranking print out and post it here.


Added on January 31, 2008, 10:18 amhttp://www.scovilleinstitute.com/periodic_table_071607.jpg

Note: The Dorset Naga has not yet been added to the table. To read about the Dorset Naga, read the following article:

http://www.dorsetnaga.com/

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Whats so particular about african bird's eye anyway?

I has communicated with da_devil and he mentioned that he is looking at Red Savina because its rare in Malaysia, can save cost coz no need to put too many due to its extreme hot. Sort of like opening up new market thingy.

I only know they use red savina to make pepper spray.

Better go for common crops if doing commercial farming, maybe plant red savina in small batch, test the market first, use your common crops as the backbone then slowly branch into unexplored market.

But if for gardening or home farming, no problem biggrin.gif
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post Jan 31 2008, 11:08 PM

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Haha... yea lar... niche market lor... I unfortunately happened to eat one when doing food tasting at Marriot... If you do eat one unknowlingly, don't drink water... take something dairy, like milk... The casein melds with the capsaicin well, reducing the heat greatly.

African Bird's Eye chilli ah? That's what Peri-Peri Sauce is made of... haha... I got the recipe for it... so thought of planting a few bushes just to get a good crop to make a few batches. Maybe I should improvise and use Malaysian Bird's Eye, or Thai Bird's Eye instead... See the result first...
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post Feb 7 2008, 11:12 PM

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hi guys, im new in this section, im actually interested in this agri biz, i was thinking of oil palm, but the thing is i dont have knowledge on these things, i know ppl working in this biz b4, shuld i ask them on the whole process or is there any other ways to learn all this ?? hope i can get some guidance from here.. thankx..
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post Feb 8 2008, 10:16 PM

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You can ask them, and if they are willing to tell then ok lor... otherwise you may get information from really good books about OP like Pigout's Oil Palm Plantation Management, or the more scientific sort like Corley and Tinker's The Oil Palm... Pigout's should suffice, but to really develop and get good crops, you do need some hands-on experience. Trust me, nothing beats hands on experience. What you read in the literature can differ greatly when put into practice, hence the value of the senior planters.


Added on February 8, 2008, 10:22 pmOn a different note, I've managed to get my hands on some Hungarian Cherry Chilli seeds, and some of them have begun to germinate finely. Has only been 5 days since first sowing and results are showing.

I've also planted some selected Tabasco Chillies, but unfortunately my gardener killed two of the important seedlings along with all my mint plants with weedicide. Now it figures why all my garlic, onion and potatoes have failed. Gonna put up a warning sign tomorrow, and if still my plants get killed, I'm gonna sack the gardener.

Anyone has Annaheim Chilli by chance?

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post Feb 13 2008, 08:30 PM

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Hello all,

Im an executive for an aquaculture farm using technologies derived from australia. Currently our company has a fully owned facility in Kuching Sarawak producing upt o 120mT/year of Barramundi (Siakap) and Jade Perch (New sp. to M'sia).

I would like to ask you all for information, do you guys know of any institute which provide classes/clinics/seminars on fish breeding/seeding?

Reason why is, we are planning on opening up our own SPF (Specific pathogen free) hatchery and we need to train our workers. Currently, we are importing fries from Australia and with the currency playing, its getting too expensive.

Please if any of you could provide me of any information on this or if you could direct me to the right person. Mail me biggrin.gif

Best Regards,

Darkus.
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hi, i am interesting in aqua business. I would like to ask how much model i need if i plan to start a fish farm?


i thinking of starting to build using paraoptical breeding model which used reinforce fiber plastic and a excellent quality pump which could graduately reduce amonia level in water (don't know how much).

I thinking of breeding all the high end sea water fish such as humpback grouper ( kerapu tikus), 7 star grouper ("ci sing pan") and many more.

I heard from another than this fish fry is very costly so breeding in a control water can increase survival rate ( >95%) thus offset the high building cost for the fish farm.

And one more thing, Is there any strong market demand for this high price sea fish? How about the marketing for this kind of business venture?



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QUOTE(Darkus @ Feb 13 2008, 08:30 PM)
Hello all,

Im an executive for an aquaculture farm using technologies derived from australia. Currently our company has a fully owned facility in Kuching Sarawak producing upt o 120mT/year of Barramundi (Siakap) and Jade Perch (New sp. to M'sia).

I would like to ask you all for information, do you guys know of any institute which provide classes/clinics/seminars on fish breeding/seeding?

Reason why is, we are planning on opening up our own SPF (Specific pathogen free) hatchery and we need to train our workers. Currently, we are importing fries from Australia and with the currency playing, its getting too expensive.

Please if any of you could provide me of any information on this or if you could direct me to the right person. Mail me  biggrin.gif

Best Regards,

Darkus.
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may i ask what technology are you using from Australia and which company is it from? thanks would love to know more...
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Lets bring back some passion, heres something interesting that brought up by one of our agri thread reader smile.gif rclxms.gif

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Vanilla's sweet taste of profits

KOTA KINABALU: A project to help the hard-core poor could make Malaysia one of the leading producers of vanilla. Rentak Timur Sdn Bhd is teaming up with the Rural Development Corporation(KPD) under the Sabah Agriculture and Food Industries Ministry, to encourage poor farmers to cultivate vanilla orchid.

Rentak Timur Sdn Bhd chief executive officer Syed Isa Syed Alwi said the plant could be produced in large quantities on small plots of land. And it is a lucrative crop, selling for up to RM380 per kg on the international market.

With 60 per cent of the global share, Madagascar is the biggest producer of vanilla.

Malaysia produces high quality vanilla and can over take Indonesia, which as second largest producer has 21% of the world market share.

"Our goal is to plant five million vanilla seedlings in the country by 2009. As of April, we have 120,000 vanilla seedlings planted in Peninsular Malaysia and the figure will increase with the expansion to Sabah." said Syed Isa at the signing of the memorandum of understanding wigh KPD.

Rentak Timur, which has a RM14 million processing factory in Pahang, said it was the sole commercial producer of vanilla in the country. Under the joint project, KPD will identify hard-core poor farmer and bring them together with Rentak Timue, which will sell them the plants at RM14.50 per plant and buy back the crop.

"A quarter hectare can carry about 1000 vanilla plants. Each plant produces up to 5kg of vanilla pods, which we will buy back at RM30 to RM50 per kg for processing." said Syed Isa. Agriculture and Food Industries Minister Datuk Abdul Rahim Ismail said " We will identify which family qualify for the contract farming under the hard-core poor scheme KPD has identified 25ha in Lumadan, Beaufort as the site for the pilot project."

The US, France, Germany and the UK are the biggest consumers of vanilla in the world. World demand for vanilla flavouring is about 4,500 tonnes a year.


The economics provided here is:

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1/2 acres for 1000 plants
crops take 3 years to grow(according to the website)
up to 5kg green pods per plant(assume they mean annual production)
buy back program for RM30-50 per kg

1000 plants = 5000kg annual production
5000kg x RM((30+50) / 2) = RM200,000 annual income

or RM16666.67 monthly
It might sound a little too good to be true here, take note that you have to bear with the labor cost, maintenance, wait 3 years for first fruiting, wait ?? years for it to hit 5kg per plant, etc etc.

But even if the net profit is 1/10 of the above figure, it is still worth considering.

Note: a green pod is fresh unprocessed vanilla pod, only the final product of properly cured and dried vanilla beans has the vanilla favor and will fetch the price of RM380.

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Vanilla grows as a vine, climbing up an existing tree, pole, or other support. It can be grown in a wood (on trees), in a plantation (on trees or poles), or in a "shader", in increasing orders of productivity. Left alone, it will grow as high as possible on the support, with few flowers. Every year, growers fold the higher parts of the plant downwards so that the plant stays at heights accessible by a standing human. This also greatly stimulates flowering.

The distinctively flavoured compounds are found in the fruit, which results from the pollination of the flower. One flower produces one fruit. Vanilla planifolia flowers are hermaphroditic: they carry both male (anther) and female (stigma) organs; however, to avoid self-pollenization, a membrane separates those organs. Such flowers may only be naturally pollinated by a specifically equipped bee found in Mexico. Growers have tried to bring this bee into other growing locales, to no avail. The only way to produce fruits is thus artificial pollination.

A simple and efficient artificial pollination method was introduced in 1841 by a 12-year-old slave named Edmond Albius on Réunion: a method still used today. Using a beveled sliver of bamboo,[2] an agricultural worker folds back the membrane separating the anther and the stigma, then presses the anther on the stigma. The flower is then self-pollinated, and will produce a fruit. The vanilla flower lasts about one day, sometimes less, thus growers have to inspect their plantations every day for open flowers, a labour-intensive task.

The fruit (a seed capsule), if left on the plant, will ripen and open at the end; it will then release the distinctive vanilla smell. The fruit contains tiny, flavourless seeds. In dishes prepared with whole natural vanilla, these seeds are recognizable as black specks.

Like other orchids' seeds, vanilla seed will not germinate without the presence of certain mycorrhizal fungi. Instead, growers reproduce the plant by cutting: they remove sections of the vine with six or more leaf nodes, a root opposite each leaf. The two lower leaves are removed, and this area is buried in loose soil at the base of a support. The remaining upper roots will cling to the support, and often grow down into the soil. Growth is rapid under good conditions.


According to the Malaysia Vanilla website, in order to get vanilla orchid to produce vanilla pods, plenty of labor is required for pollination, and it takes 9 months for the plant to form the pods. After harvesting the green pods, we need to go thru the following steps into sellable vanilla beans, which has the legendary vanilla flavor.


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Rentak Timur only required you to have 1/2 an acre for the buy back partnetship and a mere RM21k for setting up the land, it looks like an ideal crop for people who has a piece of idle land nearby where they live.

(PS: Vanilla Coke is made of natural vanilla? not synthetic?)

(A hat-tip to amirbashah!)

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Anyone heard of Gold Strike Hybrid corn? Trying to research how good this seed is. Anyone know of any seed companies selling this variety?


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Bro, RM20000 nett is not really worth it lar... For the same amount of labour and time consumed, there are other crops that would give better returns.

As a rule of thumb, follow the 80:20 Rule... Around 20% cost of production to 80% profit taking; About 20% of customer buying 80% of your products; 20% time needed to acheive 80% optimal production capacity. Otherwise it is not very sustainable lei...

When I first wrote my paper on vanilla production for my college thesis, what was found was that although Malaysia is tropical like Brazil, Tahiti and Madagascar, our climate is largely not suitable for vanilla to flower. Only the areas closer to the highlands can actually get the thing to optimal flowering. A single node on the vanilla vine can easily produce 15 to 20 pods at optimal flowering and pollination, but so far, few successes in the low-land areas. By the way, 15 processed pods equals to a kilo for grade A in Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, and Tahiti.

I've seen the processed pods from the supplier, and the plants themselves. This is my own opinion, and I've no scientific backing to this, but the plants worry me. I was quite surprised that the pods were tiny in comparison to even those from India, Indonesia and Africa. The standard grading is 20cm minimum, and those I've seen are only about 15cm. In terms of intensity of flavour, I find it barely matching the standard either.

Now I'm not saying that the vanilla industry is not profitable... Clearly it is, but what I'm pointing out is that there are many factors to consider. (I) Clearly, not everywhere in Malaysia can the crop be planted
(II) Labour problem; Famlily enterprize not great model unless you have 6-7 members in your family or so for every acre of land.
(III) High initial cost of production, coupled by high maintenance costs over the intervening years; can be offset by GAP

There are some more points, but I'm in a hurry now. You may like to read up on India's and PNG's vanilla industry. That should give a good example of what possible scenarios may take place.


Added on February 21, 2008, 4:02 pmBro, RM20000 nett is not really worth it lar... For the same amount of labour and time consumed, there are other crops that would give better returns.

As a rule of thumb, follow the 80:20 Rule... Around 20% cost of production to 80% profit taking; About 20% of customer buying 80% of your products; 20% time needed to acheive 80% optimal production capacity. Otherwise it is not very sustainable lei...

When I first wrote my paper on vanilla production for my college thesis, what was found was that although Malaysia is tropical like Brazil, Tahiti and Madagascar, our climate is largely not suitable for vanilla to flower. Only the areas closer to the highlands can actually get the thing to optimal flowering. A single node on the vanilla vine can easily produce 15 to 20 pods at optimal flowering and pollination, but so far, few successes in the low-land areas. By the way, 15 processed pods equals to a kilo for grade A in Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, and Tahiti.

I've seen the processed pods from the supplier, and the plants themselves. This is my own opinion, and I've no scientific backing to this, but the plants worry me. I was quite surprised that the pods were tiny in comparison to even those from India, Indonesia and Africa. The standard grading is 20cm minimum, and those I've seen are only about 15cm. In terms of intensity of flavour, I find it barely matching the standard either.

Now I'm not saying that the vanilla industry is not profitable... Clearly it is, but what I'm pointing out is that there are many factors to consider. (I) Clearly, not everywhere in Malaysia can the crop be planted
(II) Labour problem; Famlily enterprize not great model unless you have 6-7 members in your family or so for every acre of land.
(III) High initial cost of production, coupled by high maintenance costs over the intervening years; can be offset by GAP

There are some more points, but I'm in a hurry now. You may like to read up on India's and PNG's vanilla industry. That should give a good example of what possible scenarios may take place.

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18-01-2008: ECER plants corn hybrid for 85% jump in returns
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KUALA TERENGGANU: A new breed of high-yielding corn, which is tagged the Gold Strike sweet corn that brings 85% more return on investment (ROI), is being introduced by the Hulu Terengganu Department of Agriculture as part of an agriculture initiative under the East Coast Economic Region (ECER).

Earmarked to be farmed at a 200-hectare site in Kuala Berang, corn farming formed a dominant part of the self-sustaining Bachok-Besut-Setiu-Kuala Berang Agro Valley for vegetables and short-term corps, ECER Secretariat said in a statement yesterday.

It said the estimated cost of planting the hybrid sweet corn was at RM4,832 per hectare with expected income of RM12,600 per hectare per season, while the estimated cost of planting Thai super sweet (TSS) corn was RM3,352 with estimated income of RM5,500 per hectare per season.

ECER said the initial plantation phase, starting December 2007, would cover 58 hectares of land involving 144 farmers.

The Gold Strike sweet corn was selected by the Agriculture Department based on a study which showed the new hybrid to be most resistant to plant diseases. The study also showed the hybrid produces higher ears of corn.

Corn plantation efforts are expected to reduce the import of agriculture goods. In 2006, Malaysia imported 200 tonnes of corns worth US$200,000 (RM683,000) from China, followed by New Zealand with 140 tonnes worth US$170,000.

Malaysia also imports 100 tonnes from Thailand worth US$50,000 and 70 tonnes from the US worth US$80,000.
Ow, that one, it sounds like Gold Strike is a brand, and this is the hybrid corn as one of their product, as I can find Gold Strike hybrid pumpkin too, on google.

The corns imported in the end of the article should refer to sweetcorn, but I have a confusion here, is the whole purpose of the plantation plan is to replace that mere RM1.2mil of import goods while spending 100s of millions on other import food? And do we import any significant sweetcorn at all that worth our attention?

They might have an idea where to find that seed, seeds suppliers:
Leckat Corp: 03-6280 2620
Sin Seng Huat Seeds: 03-8060 9921
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QUOTE(rexis @ Feb 21 2008, 04:25 PM)
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Ow, that one, it sounds like Gold Strike is a brand, and this is the hybrid corn as one of their product, as I can find Gold Strike hybrid pumpkin too, on google.

The corns imported in the end of the article should refer to sweetcorn, but I have a confusion here, is the whole purpose of the plantation plan is to replace that mere RM1.2mil of import goods while spending 100s of millions on other import food? And do we import any significant sweetcorn at all that worth our attention?

They might have an idea where to find that seed, seeds suppliers:
Leckat Corp: 03-6280 2620
Sin Seng Huat Seeds: 03-8060 9921
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Awesome information! Thanks bro.

Yup, this is the same Gold Strike i'm talking about... have seen this article and it's really recent. but... i'm thinking...hmmmm... should i wait and see how this Gold Strike fare....? hmm...tought decision.... hmm.gif
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Hi MichaelJ.,

since you are an expert on oil palm. i would like to ask a question

the waste from Oil Palm when their oils are extracted, what can be done about the waste ?

any commercial purpose for the waste ?

thanks


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