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yanziqiang
post Oct 15 2012, 01:58 PM

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Hi Michael J, really liked what you suggested in [i] and [ii] below.
I'm an electronics engineer in my day job and a horticulturist [nooby] in my freetime. I got interested in horticulture mainly due to the food crisis reason as you said.

As this thread is lively and participated by quite a few experts like yourself, I would like to post some questions about Aquaponics business here in KL Malaysia.:
a. Do we need a certification / license / permit to sell the vegetable produce of such farming technique?
b. Do we need license / permit if we farm Tilapia and sell it in such technique? What if these farmed fishes are only for self-consumption / donation?
c. Do we need license / permit if such farm is in upper floors of shoplots?
d. Are there potential in such farming technique, especially economically?
e. What are the complications / consequences of such farming technique?

Those are the questions that I can think of, appreciate any sifu here to share answers or other insights / opinions.

Many thanks.
YzQ


QUOTE(Michael J. @ Aug 23 2012, 04:09 PM)


Added on August 23, 2012, 5:24 pm
It's really scary to read about the looming food crisis... I guess it is understandable why so many people are turning to crime and illegal activities. Obviously, that does not mean it is justified.

But seriously, the percentage of people not being able to afford food in developed countries is on the rise. Just taking the United States of America as example, about 18.2% people there are not able to afford the food they need. I'm not talking about hardcore poor here, although they certainly make up a significant portion of that figure; the figure includes families from middle-class, fixed-income groups.

To put this into perspective, 1 in 4 people in the US cannot afford the food they need. The food they need to survive does not include bread, cheeses, fresh fruits etc., but staples like grains/cereals, milk, vegetables, etc. And the No. 1 thing most from this group can't afford is: Meat.

Yes, meats like beef, mutton, fish, chicken, etc. They cannot afford it anymore.

Is this a good or bad thing? Bear in mind, this is only the US we're talking about here; we haven't even begun looking at the EU, or Latin America, or even Asia.

And the news just gets worse. 2 in every 100 Chinese citizen cannot find a job. This may not look bad, after all it's like only 2%. But bear in mind, China has a working-age population of nearly 660,000,000; so that works up to 26,000,000 people. That means 26 million people who are competiting with the rest of the world for jobs.

We all know that without a stable income source, it is quite difficult to gain ends meet. Which makes the food crisis problem all the more dangerous. Less food available equals to higher food costs, which could lead to many other undesirable effects within society.
Let us open up this thread for discussion. Does anyone have any genuine idea of how to mitigate this problem? No need to find a solution which works on a global/national scale; even a solution that would result in a reduced household food bill would have a tremendous impact on society.

My first suggestion(s):

i. Home growing - To educate people to grow their own food in their homes. And not just simple container growing for novelty sake. I do mean growing sufficient veg and animal proteins to offset about 10%-15% of the monthly family food bill at least.

ii. Community farm plots - Where a group of people pool their resources and time to tend a shared plot of land used to grow vegetables/fruits/animal protein for the group. All members will have to contribute their inputs, and not just monetary, but most crucially the time and labor needed. Community farm plots should ideally off-set about 20%-25% of the family food bill each month.

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MrFarmer
post Oct 15 2012, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(yanziqiang @ Oct 15 2012, 01:58 PM)
Hi Michael J, really liked what you suggested in [i] and [ii] below.
I'm an electronics engineer in my day job and a horticulturist [nooby] in my freetime. I got interested in horticulture mainly due to the food crisis reason as you said.

As this thread is lively and participated by quite a few experts like yourself, I would like to post some questions about Aquaponics business here in KL Malaysia.:
a. Do we need a certification / license / permit to sell the vegetable produce of such farming technique?
b. Do we need license / permit if we farm Tilapia and sell it in such technique? What if these farmed fishes are only for self-consumption / donation?
c. Do we need license / permit if such farm is in upper floors of shoplots?
d. Are there potential in such farming technique, especially economically?
e. What are the complications / consequences of such farming technique?

Those are the questions that I can think of, appreciate any sifu here to share answers or other insights / opinions.

Many thanks.
YzQ
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Just my thoughts
a. You'll need business license to sell your produce (officially). If you are on a small scale, then you'll most probably get away with it. Me, I had not registered a business license yet, but planning to do it latter. After that you'll need to look into Inland Revenue Income taxes....

b. If on a big scale, yes. Own consumption / donation, no need.

c. Most probably yes, if you do it on a shop lot. I think you'll gonna need lots of approval, including Municipal, Bomba, etc...I think too much red tapes and may not be feasible. Things like load bearing (depending on how many floors / size of pools) and water proofing and other issues.

d. Any 1?

e. Any 1?

Hey, I read & practiced electronics too, but that was ages ago. Welcome.
yanziqiang
post Oct 15 2012, 10:59 PM

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Hi MrFarmer, thanks for the reply.
I guess the electronics industry just couldn't make ours ends meet sooner or later huh.... hehe, for me it's part of the reason...

a. Business license with R.O.B. aside, do we need other permits from DOA?
b. I supposed on big scale / commercial, we would need permits from the Gov's Fisheries Department?
c. I wonder if the approval from Municipal, Bomba will be the same as in an Aquarium and/or pet shop?
May be I should have said that the fishes are side-income, bred mainly for the fertilization part of this closed loop technique and will be sold when population density ratio is imbalanced. Probably then, the load bearing on the shop floor will not be a question?
d. I'm trying to conduct growth rate analysis firstly but I'm convinced by the evidences found online that it's at least doubly faster. Also, if this can be done, it'll be urban farming, closer to demand that will lessen transportation perishing / cost?
Also, if done indoors, we'll have better control over weather / pest destructions and will mean less / no pesticide usage?
e. For leafy vegetables, I only know of Iron deficiency but can be easily resolved by a suitable grow medium / fish feed? More blood worms to fishes perhaps or as simply as putting a steel rebar into the system?

Alright, wait for replies from anyone here....
Thanks.
M_century
post Oct 16 2012, 01:39 AM

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People in agriculture and aquaculture are noble people, I mean those who plant their crops and raised their livestock in ethical ways.

You could win a nobel peace prize by contributing to world food need.
MrFarmer
post Oct 19 2012, 07:10 PM

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For those interested in agriculture, do make a date with Maha 2012, there is a lot to see in this expo.
http://www.maha.gov.my/2012/what%27s-new-in-maha2012.html

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post Oct 26 2012, 11:05 AM

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Sorry for the late edition of the Newsletter

Here it is...

http://www.mediafire.com/?lvm2h0t8fxw7rbg

Agri & Aqua Newsletter for October 2012
ahteck88
post Oct 30 2012, 03:52 AM

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what is this about ??got any career offer ?
MrFarmer
post Oct 31 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(ahteck88 @ Oct 30 2012, 03:52 AM)
what is this about ??got any career offer ?
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Well ahteck88, I'm sure you can build a career in Agriculture.
Me, I'm trying too, work hard for a few years, then hope to "enjoy the fruits of labor" later on. Also hoping to pass on what I had nurture to the next generation (as some agriculture is long term).
TSParaOpticaL
post Nov 1 2012, 01:36 PM

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anyone heading out to MAHA 2012 ???
MrFarmer
post Nov 1 2012, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Nov 1 2012, 01:36 PM)
anyone heading out to MAHA 2012 ???
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I'm going. Most probably 23rd, 1st day, biggrin.gif
Very excited about it, can't wait!
See you there.
Kg Teratai
post Nov 2 2012, 10:21 AM

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I mostly will go at second day 24th or 25th Oct.
chinyen
post Nov 2 2012, 11:11 AM

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anybody also can go? need to register?
MrFarmer
post Nov 2 2012, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(chinyen @ Nov 2 2012, 11:11 AM)
anybody also can go? need to register?
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Oh yes.
You can also per-register online.
So many things to see.


Added on November 2, 2012, 6:20 pm
QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Nov 2 2012, 10:21 AM)
I mostly will go at second day 24th or 25th Oct.
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Hi Teratai, you go 24th, catalogs all no more lor, I grab all jor tongue.gif

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Nov 2 2012, 06:20 PM
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post Nov 3 2012, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Nov 2 2012, 06:08 PM)
Oh yes.
You can also per-register online.
So many things to see.


Added on November 2, 2012, 6:20 pm
Hi Teratai, you go 24th, catalogs all no more lor, I grab all jor  tongue.gif
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ok thanks
Kg Teratai
post Nov 5 2012, 10:53 AM

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Hi Farmer,

I have no choice, I will need to work at Friday, only free at Saturday.

Now the oil palm also no price, small potato like me really no eye see already.
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post Nov 5 2012, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Nov 5 2012, 10:53 AM)
Hi Farmer,

I have no choice, I will need to work at Friday, only free at Saturday.

Now the oil palm also no price, small potato like me really no eye see already.
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Hi Kg Teratai,
In agriculture, good price or low price, you'll just need to carry on. It's on a long term, averaging. From my conversation with some friends here, still ok wor. Still got profit.

Rubber also having problems.
You are not alone, stay motivated. Price shall raise again, and you can go singing karaoke. biggrin.gif
Kg Teratai
post Nov 6 2012, 10:13 AM

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Hi Farmer,

The price is still survivable at this moment provided it is not down trend again.
Like you mention, low price or high price, we will still need to continue to yield.
I wish that situation can turn into better side. You may heard that oil palm buyer from farm will charge rm40 in order to safeguard their profit. This is a very ridiculous policy. I am not sure if they will really go ahead with this policy. Price of fertilizers and other necessities for the farming have been increasing. These are the negative factors that will discourage us.

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QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Nov 6 2012, 10:13 AM)
Hi Farmer,

The price is still survivable at this moment provided it is not down trend again.
Like you mention, low price or high price, we will still need to continue to yield. 
I wish that situation can turn into better side.  You may heard that oil palm buyer from farm will charge rm40 in order to safeguard their profit. This is a very ridiculous policy. I am not sure if they will really go ahead with this policy. Price of fertilizers and other necessities for the farming have been increasing. These are the negative factors that will discourage us.
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Here, most of the small holders sent their oil palm to the collection center.
Not to mention the minimum wages. New medical insurance scheme for foreign labors.
Cost of doing business is definitely going up.


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post Nov 6 2012, 11:12 PM

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Hi everyone,
Seems like everyone is making progress here.

I'm reporting in again this time.

My company now sell and distribute Tilapia fish feed pellet with small, medium and large size.

What my company offers?
1) high quality yet economical Tilapia fish feed

2) free consultation service on pond improvement and to those who wish to start up.

3) Guaranteed fish buy back with highest possible price (according to market price). Our buyback price only applicable if using our fish feed pellets. However, if you manage to find middleman that offer higher price than us, we would accept it too as its a free market. Because the quality, texture and flavor of the fish using our feed is highly in demand. Therefore, you won't have to worry no one to buy your fish.

4) Our feed had been tested and proven by the fish quality because we are using it ourself.

5) The success of our company rely on the success of our clients. We not only see our clients as customers, they are also our business partners as their success are crucial to us.

Here are some of the basic info I would like to share here rather than wall of text.

Whether you are already on tilapia farming that looking to optimize your profit or you plan to execute your plan but have tons of worries. You can just drop me an email at:
lichengmajutrading@gmail.com
Please drop me your name, location and your current status.

The best thing is there's more to come from us to assist tilapia fish farmers to maximise profits.

Good luck
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post Nov 8 2012, 12:59 AM

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Hi everyone,
does anyone have the good ideas how to harvest vermicast?

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