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post Dec 29 2011, 10:31 AM

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Hi, I'm new to this forum. I found this thread to be very interesting, been reading from page 1. I hope I can learn more from all the experience people from here on agriculture.

Anyone here has any experience on chili fertigation?
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post Jan 2 2012, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Dec 30 2011, 07:11 PM)
Hi M-century, welcome to our community.
Just curious, why chili and why fertigation? Do you have any personal experience / training?

I'm also a newbie, and a mong cha cha 1. Planted some chili, traditional way, on ground.


Added on December 30, 2011, 7:18 pm
HI chinyen, welcome back. Where's your new place? Can visit?  biggrin.gif
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Hi MrFarmer,

I don't have any practical experience at all except some research from internet and a visit to putrajaya MOA regarding this information.
Therefore I'm really looking forward to do it practically.
From MOA info, through fertigation has its advantages and disadvantages.

Advantages :
1) They says the crop yield would at least 2-3 times compare planting on ground. Long term ROI will be higher.
2) Reduces the risk of soil-borne diseases and pest.
3) More efficient and systematic irrigation and fertilization control, apparently less wastage and can eliminate irrigation problem.
4) Somehow better control (not really understand about this)
5) Overall it will give less problem.
6) Can also work for other plant like tomato and few others that I can't really remember should no longer want to plant chili

Disadvantages :
1) Very high investment needed to setup the system. MOA quote about RM20k expenditure just to setup 20' x 100'. In 1 acre alone assume land is square, can have 12 x (20' x 100'), which comes to total cost RM20k x 12 = RM240k!!. I have a partner from construction background, so I hope can significantly reduce the cost by at least 50% hopefully counting myself as labor to setup in order to save cost.
2) Such high investment require extreme dedication and real prudence. I do not want to screw up the whole thing and dissapoint my partner.
3) So the pressure is on despite the strong will to make it work.
4) Chili price has to remain high and higher to sustain the expected return on investment.
5) Any natural calamity will wipe out the heavy investment, so must take measure to evaluating risks such as flood, landslide, etc.

Many other information I have acquired from internet and word of mouth from other people as well. So I really need to have a look at the real working chili fertigation system.
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post Jan 4 2012, 12:59 AM

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After CNY, construction work will start on the land. Wish I know this hobby fertigation set earlier so I can try out but not enough time for it now. So I need to do as much homework as possible till the construction starts and start to do the planting. Really hope to visit an actual ongoing succesful commercial Chili fertigation system farming.

I've heard many failed stories of commercial chili farming, but I find those factors of risk could be reduce significantly or even eliminate it with some serious dedication.

I believe the bigger the problem you solve, the more money you can earn.
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post Jan 4 2012, 08:18 PM

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That's great, I live at Kajang too
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post Jan 4 2012, 10:03 PM

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The person who organize the course is the owner of his own farm?
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post Jan 4 2012, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(loongloong3 @ Jan 4 2012, 11:07 PM)
hi, i am new to this forum and i am interested to understand more about agriculture thingy. To my amaze this forum actually have lots of information regarding agriculture and aquaculture, and failure experience contribution that willing to share with us. good job there!

Ok, i am a greenhorn in this field and hope all of the pros can nourish me like plants. just kidding. Please give me advice as i am thinking whether or not into venturing agriculture line.
  Here is my story, i am not a farmer, and i`m currently working in other sector line which totally different from agri and i 'm base in pj. i'm currently thinking of purchasing an agriculture land using my lifetime saving. The reason i choose agriculture land instead of house is that, erm.... agri land cheaper than house in pj. =P and pj house i can't afford to buy too expensive and bank wont loan me that much.

  At first i think of just simpan the land and wait for land harga naik for long term. But this is not good coz i need to service bank loan and no rental income. Sumore earn salary just to service the loan for long period of years.haiz.. btw currently i'm looking at at 1-2 acre agriland.

  That's y i think its best to make use of the land to plant something rather than leaving there to rott. and i have full time job this makes more unfit to do farming.

All proffesional here please give me hint, guidance for what to do with the land? and i got some silly question to ask , hope all you all dont mind.

1. is there any fast growing plant that doesn't need to take care often?
  like 1 month see 1 time ? through browsing the post , i have come accross some plants like chili, serai, herbs(plenty of herbs there but which wan suits me best?)  and aka wood, or maybe some wormy business ^^ ?

2. if let say plant those crops that mention above, estimate what's the return ? erm.... i know it sounds silly thinking of harvesting already, but honest speaking i need to know what is the return so that i can plan what to plant for me to service the bank.

3. The maintenence of the plant. Well if got any plant which don't need constant care? But i willing to plant them first, and during harvesting i have some foreigner in my line which i can use as manpower but have to pay.

4. theft plantation? if i`m not there for 1 month will my corpse gone? any idea to prevent? i`m thinking if the aka wood thingy will be the best, but 6-10 years before can harvest *_*" i think i will being sued to bankrupt by bank.

Please please nourish me >.<"
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I am not someone qualify to say what is right or wrong because I do not have experience in agriculture either. Still doing my research and homework. But these are the mindset I'm going to instil myself with.

1) No shortcut mentality, go all out with 100% dedication fulltime untill desirable outcome.
2) Then refine the system for better efficiency on time spent and cost, while achieving higher yield.
3) The system can never be good enough, it's always and always will be the challenge to fine tune the system that work to make it work better and better.

Some of the homework that I did :-

1) Visit the retail market often including pasar, and hypermarket
2) Pay a visit to MOA at putrajaya (I buta buta go there myself) and yes info can get.
3) Ask around those who has experience (very important)
4) Internet research
5) Ask yourself how far are you willing to go to achieve what you want to achieve.
6) Do a proper planning

Finally...

ACTION!


Anymore direction that can be helpful in research and planning that all the sifu here can give more ?

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post Jan 10 2012, 02:19 AM

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Just 4 days, and there's already so much update.

The land clearing work will start after CNY holidays.

I'll post photo when the construction starts after clearing works.

MrFarmer, you are more than welcome to visit my farm, and also all the bros here are all welcome. Good to do sharing of knowledge and experience so everyone can improve. So far I only have the theories.
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post Jan 12 2012, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Jan 12 2012, 07:30 PM)
Anywhere in KL. Cheras can, Kajang also can (satay  brows.gif ) 17th onwards.
Who wants to volunteer to organize?

Attendance
1) Para
2) Kg_teratai
3) M-century (you in?)
4) Mr Farmer
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Count me in, I'm definitely up for any tea session. Preferably Sat and Sun though.
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post Jan 17 2012, 02:43 AM

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night, slightly later will be good, on 20th
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post Jan 19 2012, 03:29 AM

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add me
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post Jan 19 2012, 11:23 PM

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meet up still on/off?
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post Jan 20 2012, 10:46 AM

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If we can make it both on 20th and 1st Feb, then let's have both. The things is, is 20th Jan Old town 9pm on?


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post Jan 23 2012, 12:33 AM

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So who can make it on FT day same place for lunch?
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:26 PM

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No one else on on that day?

Para, I'm off that day so I'm good for lunch if ok with you

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post Oct 16 2012, 01:39 AM

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People in agriculture and aquaculture are noble people, I mean those who plant their crops and raised their livestock in ethical ways.

You could win a nobel peace prize by contributing to world food need.
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post Nov 6 2012, 11:12 PM

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Hi everyone,
Seems like everyone is making progress here.

I'm reporting in again this time.

My company now sell and distribute Tilapia fish feed pellet with small, medium and large size.

What my company offers?
1) high quality yet economical Tilapia fish feed

2) free consultation service on pond improvement and to those who wish to start up.

3) Guaranteed fish buy back with highest possible price (according to market price). Our buyback price only applicable if using our fish feed pellets. However, if you manage to find middleman that offer higher price than us, we would accept it too as its a free market. Because the quality, texture and flavor of the fish using our feed is highly in demand. Therefore, you won't have to worry no one to buy your fish.

4) Our feed had been tested and proven by the fish quality because we are using it ourself.

5) The success of our company rely on the success of our clients. We not only see our clients as customers, they are also our business partners as their success are crucial to us.

Here are some of the basic info I would like to share here rather than wall of text.

Whether you are already on tilapia farming that looking to optimize your profit or you plan to execute your plan but have tons of worries. You can just drop me an email at:
lichengmajutrading@gmail.com
Please drop me your name, location and your current status.

The best thing is there's more to come from us to assist tilapia fish farmers to maximise profits.

Good luck
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post Nov 19 2012, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(tskan @ Nov 16 2012, 04:48 PM)
Hi everybody! I am new here. My interest is in Soon Hock and have benefited reading the many tips members here have provided on the subject. Some questions I have hopefully some of u may know the answers of and they are:
1. Other than fr the wild malaysian soon hock farmers(say those in Johor) get their fingerlings from what reliable sources?
2. Is integrated soon hock/tilapia farming a reliable and significant source for fingerlings supply?
3. I was told there is an uncle in Kulai who is successful breeding and raising soon hock fingerlings in earthen ponds(the natural way) and is regular supplier of fingerlings to farms in Johor. Any body here can provide his address and contact number?
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For Soon Hock, I only know a way which is practically zero cost that can succeed, other ways I not too sure

For Tilapia, only advise I can provide is to get yourself a mentor, copy his/her model to get a feel of it. There are many ways that can work.
Any other questions, can ask me, I can help me a bit. I distribute Tilapia fish feed.


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post Nov 20 2012, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(tskan @ Nov 19 2012, 09:33 PM)
Hi and thank u for yr response.
Am interested to know more about yr way with soon hock.
Also I have tilapia wh I culture to feed my aros and soon hock.
Will want to know more about yr tilapia feed. Give me range of this and prices.
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I don't culture soon hock. Only tilapia.

From what I saw.
They place a flat altar like above water, using pond not the floating type.
Place all kinds of dead animals.
Let it rot, then the corpse worm will fall into water for the waiting soon hock. Mainly because soon hock don't swim around much. From there I didn't enquire much but I've been told its profitable.

If you plan to use tilapia feed for fingerling. Best to buy from nearest shop. Actually would save more from transport cost.

Unless you into tilapia farming, then you could consider to understand my feed.
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post Dec 7 2012, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(rockygai @ Nov 30 2012, 04:40 PM)
Hi all, I'm interested in Aquaculture ... rear fish and make some profit.... any Sifu can give me some guideline for a new enroll ?
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somehow you have to find ponds, rent or own land with good water source, water source is the most important.

Or you can use fibre tanks and cement ponds.

The many people here can give you good advice.

Don't even know what type of fish you looking to rear
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post Dec 10 2012, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Dec 8 2012, 08:12 PM)
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Not to be rude, but people now a days, want to do something (no plans, no direction, no experience) and want to make a profit. How to make a profit if everything is not in place? You'll be lucky if you don't loose all your capital/savings.
Planning
Budgeting
Site Selection
Trial Run
Mobilization
Production
Post Harvest Management
Logistic
Marketing
And very important, An Exit Plan
This is just something that I can thing of in this instant.
Sorry ah, please don't take this personally.  notworthy.gif
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Actually everything in agriculture and aquaculture can be profitable when doing it right.

Most important is to have a target. Choose one to start with and be good at that.

Because today Plant A is the most profitable, tomorrow Plant B or C will be the most profitable.

In the end, it's the knowledge and experience that will really make it profitable and lower the risks.

Simply, many people only think of easy way out to make quick $.

In agriculture, there's no shortcut.

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