ah_suknat:

Thank you for the invite, but unfortunately with the way things are going at my workplace, I won't be able to travel much for the rest of the year. I blame certain senior officers and their fickle-mindedness for all the mess.

Anyway, on duck feed. On average, you will need to feed about 180g of food per kg duck per day. Assuming each duckling weighs about 70g, you'd have about 28kg of duck there. So the feed is about 5kg per day. That'd be about right if you have week-old ducklings.

Ducks ARE big eaters, and messy too. They consume about 30g extra feed per kg live weight on average compared against chickens. They love to mix water into their food, so quite a bit tend to get lost if they are fed too close to the pond. I assume you're using feed troughs. But you can reduce the feed cost by using forage crops.

Ubi and corn are not bad, so would duckweed or water millfoils. But ducks need good protein sources. Slugs, snails, earthworms etc all make good sources of protein for ducks. Also insects like crickets, grasshoppers, or mealworms would be great. If you find a place with excess water hyacinths (keladi bunting), they make good feeds also.

Also do bear in mind that for egg production, you need to add some calcium into their diet. Again, snails are great sources, but other edible calcium sources would do just well (bonemeal etc.).


As for marketing, unfortunately this is really dependent on the farmer. If you have to go to each and every single kedai runcit, then you have to do it. Start small; with your few hundred ducks, you should eventually be looking at 400 eggs a day. Build the reputation, develop the networking, and gradually grow your business.

The other way is to target markets that have yet to be tapped into. Like supermarkets, chain pastry businesses (those making Chinese sweet pastries), maybe even frozen food businesses (like frozen curry puff businesses) etc. Heck, you may even target those Nyonya kuih businesses since some of the best kuihs require the use of duck eggs.


On the vet assistance part, can't really blame them although they should have explained instead of outrightly saying "no". The fact is, there is a severe shortage of vets, even in private practice. Not many people today fancy the idea of sticking their arm into the ass of a cow/pig/goat, nor are many keen about walking ankle deep in muck visiting farms. To make things worse, the curriculum for vets in Malaysia is so changed, that many of the vet grads in this country don't really know what they're doing. They may know how to treat a cat or dog, but give them a chicken or a goat, and they draw a blank expression.

I speak of this from experience, as there are 3-4 livestock companies under the organization I'm working with. None of them could get qualified/proper vets to work with them, and had to import the experts from Indonesia.

This post has been edited by Michael J.: Aug 27 2012, 04:30 PM

The quality of some tree germinated from Musang king seed or D2 seeds. The trees are not growing very well.



Other trees show growing a little bit well, however, I don't know why the leaf show yellowish.



Metalazyl is on the way. My musang king tree, please don't give up.



Hi MJ,

I support the home growing idea which I am started also. currently I am growing some chilli padi in front of my house.

Hi guys I am interested to do hydroponic farming on a a commercial scale. Meanwhile I have started a little drip system at my home.

Why is it that hydroponic in Malaysia is not popular, even on this forum not many are talking about it.

The other thing is once I produce the fruit or vege how do I go about marketing it? Thanks all!

thanks for the replies. I bought the ducklings at rm2.5 from jabatan vetenari, they are low on stocks so only manage to get 100, I bought the 300 from private at rm4 each, you think the price reasonable?

Aas food cost is the main cost, what is the best way to feed them with the lowest cost possible? without compromising their egg laying performance? Do you think left over food I get from schools and restaurant is ok for them?

are you experience with large scale duck farming? what is the best shelter layout design to build? with the land that I draw, what would you advice on the layout of the farm?

thanks again

Hi Binyamin,
I guess hydroponic is not commercially feasible yet (here), but I guess some day it shall be. Malaysia still has lots of land for agriculture. Had did some reading on hydroponic, but am not ready for it yet as I'm also new in planting. Am learning the traditional way first, planting in soil and finding it very challenging.

Market Farm produce is just like any other marketing. Only that most are perishable / semi-perishable (do your initial study well). Your logistic has to be right. Firstly identify your market. Distribution, wholesale, retail. Also you need to look at the volume that you are producing or targeting. Initially you'll need to do lots of running around, just like any other products. Persistence shall make the day.

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Added on August 27, 2012, 7:40 pmHi ah_suknat,
Say, you in Sabah?
Did some study on duck rearing but did not venture into it as
1) Very heavy eater
2) Limited market (meat)
3) My Land not suitable (water)
Spoke with a couple of people who had done / doing duck (meat), Keningau area. All of them says that the ducks has huge appetite. Manage the food and you should make it feasible. Those that had stopped also say that the feed is too high.

I guess duck eat many things, but feeding them left over, you need to process it. Also you do not have much control (on the left over). Oils, Bones etc.

If you are in Peninsular, you can see a lots of large scale duck farm on the KL-Ipoh Old road, near Kampar, Gopeng on those ex-mining pools.

I spoke with my son, culinary arts students, he say cake / pastry house uses lots of duck eggs. You may also consider Century egg? (the black 1). Do make sure the source of water, you mentioned river, you'll need to make sure it ever dries up. Quality of the water?


This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Aug 27 2012, 07:40 PM

Wow.... Sudden spike in activity.

As always, my computer system here seems to recognize Photobucket and Flickr as a security threat, so I can't view any pictures loaded up on those kind of picture viewers.

Anyway, onto the questions:

Binyamin:

Hydroponics used to be quite popular during the 1990s. But to produce cost effective hydroponic crops requires huge scales, and the huge scale of producing hydroponic crops costs too much.

To put into perspective:
1 acre of hydroponic system with PU sheds and systems will be in the range of about RM1 million easily. This does not include the cost of the land itself, or the overheads, which would increase the total initial capital outlay to RM1.5 million easily.

For conventional farming on 1 acre of land, the normal capital outlay is about RM150,000 or less, including the acquisition of land. Here I'm assuming heavy agri machines are rented, not owned.

The amount of crop produced in a 1 acre hydroponics facility is roughly 4 times the yield of conventional farming. So if 1 acre can produce about 30,000kg of crop per year using conventional method, hydroponics would give 120,000kg.

Now let's calculate the revenues.

If 1kg of crop averages about RM5 per kg, conventional farming would yield RM150,000 a year. After amortization of land costs, the farmer could see a nett profit of around RM30,000- RM50,000. With hydroponics, the revenue would be about RM600,000; net revenue would be in the range of RM130,000 or so.

Although hydroponics is 4.33 times greater than conventional farming, the initial capital outlay is 10 times as much. Keep in mind that in any business, be it farming or food peddling, there is a minimal scale of sale needed to break even, so with costlier equipment, higher efficiency is required to offset its cost.

Aside from this, do bear in mind the vicious cycle of agriculture output. To put it simply, more does not necessarily mean better. Producing 4.33 times the yield of conventional farming would look good on paper, but would it cause an oversupply in the marketplace, and hence a price crash? I remember that at one point, Cameron Highland farmers literally dumped tons of cabbages on the doorsteps of their local DOA after influx of foreign cabbages led to prices plummeting from RM2.00 per kg to RM0.40 per kg within a month.

Farming is not just about biology. It is also about marketing and economics. In other words, it's a multidisciplinary subject, which is often not emphasized.

You can market through FAMA, but I don't like them very much. In my opinion, they haven't been doing a good job. You can get a wholesaler to buy up your crop, especially if you have large scale. But honestly, you'd get more value for your produce if you sold them yourself.

ah_suknat:

RM2.50 per duckling is very cheap; RM4 is the standard resale price.

You can use feeding troughs, but you will need to find a suitable one. Rain gutters are a good choice. As for feed, free range them. Ducks are natural foragers, and they will eat what they need. Think of them as the goats of the poultry world.

A less desirable, but economically sound way is to use bulkers in their feed. This include things like coconut crumbs, ground up vegetable refuse, self caught small fish, ground up fish guts/bones/skins/scales etc. Be sure to fine grind them though. Just make sure that if you do this, the food is free from bacteria (like salmonella) since you're targeting eggs. Don't want contaminants from the feces infecting the eggs. You can add other nutrients separately using vitamins.

Just for information sake, it takes about 2.4kg of feed to get 1kg of duck eggs (roughly 14 eggs) IF you're having Khaki Campbells or Indian Runner ducks, and you free range them. Other duck breeds would take up around 4.5kg of feed to produce the same. For Khaki Campbells that are battery farmed (confined), they will consume a lot more food to produce 1kg eggs, about 3.1kg of feed in fact.

I don't support factory farming, I'm afraid. So no, I do not associate myself with battery farms for poultry or livestock.

This post has been edited by Michael J.: Aug 28 2012, 11:33 AM

Hi Mrfarmer,
Yes I am in Sabah, the farm is in Ranau to be exact.
1) yeah true they are big eater, head ache! that why I am trying to find ways in reducing the cost of feed.
2)I do not plan to sell it for the meat, but more for the eggs. I read an article said 90% of poultry industry actualy do not major in producing broiler, but major in eggs producing and only sell the meat as by product.
3) I thought water is a big plus for duck rearing? since ducks LOVE water.

that what I am trying to target as well, I will try to speak with hotels and bakeries to supply them fresh ducks eggs. but cost by cost, is it more profitable then selling salted egg & century egg? those have higher margin but the low demand off set it. I wonder where I can sell salted eggs and century eggs other than super markets.

its not really river per se, more like water ways supplied for the paddy field near by. water quality is ok, gets slight muddy during heavy rain, main concern is the water might gets poisoned during paddy season, so plain to have a seperate pipe to link the clean water source to the ponds.

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Added on August 28, 2012, 2:42 pmHi, Michael J,
suddenly I have a thought on rearing catfish as their source of protein and calcium, but cost to cost, which is more profitable? reducing food cost by rearing cat fish to feed the ducks, or rearing cat fish to sell for money? my mom told me the market prce for cat fish is RM7 per kg. the plus side in rearing catfish is they grow up fast ( 3 month?) and rather cheap to buy the bibit, plus I dont have to worry about their food as they can get it from duck manure.(if I build pen on top of the ponds), the down side is they will hide in the mud and hard to catch . if I were to sell it, is it easier to sell compare to tilapia? I sledom go to the wet market but I dont even remember the last time I ate a catfish

If my mom eventually manage to get left over food from schools and restaurants, are they safe to consume for the ducks later? what do I need to take into consideration?
1) how to make sure the left over food are free from backeria? should I mixed anti biotic with it?
2) if they eat porks, will it make the duck eggs not halal?

is it good to feed them powdered bones for their source of calcium?(gonna get them from KFC left over )
you also mentioned duckweed and watermillfoils, how do I grow them? do they just grow itself? are they fesible in large scale?

I can see that you are very good at pofitability calculation and project feasibility for an agriculture project, may I ask you what are main concern I need to know in starting a duck eggs production in terms of costing, how much money do I need and where does the money goes? assuming I start from sratch.

If my ultimate goal is to rear up to 10k ducks, which is better? buy the ducklings or hatch them myself? I do not plan to sell ducklings.

if I cant source the ducklings locally, is it possible to have ducklings SHIP all the way from peninsular to Sabah?

what is meant by intensive, non intensive?

thank you very much!

This post has been edited by ah_suknat: Aug 28 2012, 11:46 PM

Thanks for your answer, it is very detailed with everything I want answered. Wow I didn't know hydroponic need that large amount of capital! I suppose it will be cheaper if you build the system yourself out of things like PVC pipes than to import a whole set for 1 million per acre . If I am going to produce crops I would need to know at what point of my production level will it effect market price and by how much. I suppose it is hard to ascertain the answer. Or is it?

Check these out.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/176372...-the-dream-farm

how I wish I can do this here,,,,is there any medium like this here in Malaysia that I can try to collect funds...?

hi fellas,

i'm doing some studies about fish farming at the moment, Tilapia farming to be exact.

a friend of mine is interested actually, and though i dont really share his enthusiastic, i do believe he has overlook certain aspect of risk when it comes to starting new business.

anyhow, the 1st time that came to my mind was diseases;

1) what sort of diseases are there when it comes to Tilapia farming, and how do we identify/prevent them.

2) what is the occurring rate of these diseases, and the cause?

hopefully this could help him.

if u happened to be in KL, and enjoy coffee and discussion in the afternoon, let me know. =)

I guess it's difficult as too many red tapes here in Malaysia. ah_suknat, when I started on planting 2 years ago, I have this idea of putting up my trees for adoption. Where a donor, supporter, financer pledge / donate to support a tree, and we up date them on the progress. But my idea were shot down many times. Was thinking if this works, then all the people in the world can help green the earth, by keeping our land green.

hey! thats adoption is actually a good idea!

I have been thinking If I were to ask for fund in the kick start program, what should I offer the investors, now that perhaps an adoption for a duck is probably a good one!

ak_suknat & binyamin:

I'm gonna have to get back to both of you much later. Am rushing on the whole Bioeconomy thing the government wants to unleash end of the year.

sure, take your time, thanks for letting us know
keep us update with the government project

You can boil the left over to high temperature to kill the bacteria. They do this for the pig feed. Higher tech shall be pressure cooker.

There is 2 big chicken farm near my area. They still buy the chicks rather than hatching themselves.

Bringing animals from peninsular legally, needs to go thru' Veterinarian Department and need to go thru' quarantine. Same for plants.

What's wrong with my Lime trees? Have 3 of these and all have this problem.

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Added on September 16, 2012, 9:21 pmCitrus Leaf Miner and or Red Mites?
Now looking for ways to treat it.

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Sep 16 2012, 09:21 PM

Hi guys..

Anyone knows where to get cheap bamboo? I am in Negeri Sembilan. So far the cheapest i can get is 1 ringgit per feet.. which is also quite costly cause i have to purchase alot for organizing a camp.. would appreciate for any guidance.. =)

Halo ppl, im searching for composting earthworms and black soldier flies larvae. Please pm me if u have any. Thanks!

Hallo,

Been busy last few weeks. only manage to visit the farm on Malaysia Day. There will be another minor durian session in my kampong on Oct.

I need to check with sifu here what is the solution for these problem.


This tree looks like it is lack of nutrients, however, I already put the fertilizer 1 month ago. What can it be the issue that the leaf look yellowish and small?



attacked by cracker? recently just apply racun, lets see how is the progress.



this buggies have attack a lot of my cempedak tree. Some of it already dig very deep into the tree. What is solution for it?