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post Sep 19 2007, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Sep 18 2007, 03:48 PM)
havent found buyers yet. still early. maybe in 3 mths time will start looking...
harnessing the energy he meant was relative. he meant using gravity and nature to get water to the tanks so save on utility.

actually its a good idea. but my pumps and filters are there for different reasons and the tanks do have a pipe.

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Once u got good product, dun worry about buyers smile.gif

If u say that ur pump is there to supply oxygen, consider adding more twist or maybe some stair case in the leading in water to create more swirl, it helps. Of course, mechanical pump is desire for constant supply, but I think your fish density is not tat high yet.

QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Sep 18 2007, 06:07 PM)
which picture are you referring to ?
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I think he means all the pic except the first one, why so milky ah? But as far as i know, in nature, water usually wont be crystal clear.
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post Sep 19 2007, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Sep 19 2007, 11:24 AM)
Once u got good product, dun worry about buyers smile.gif

If u say that ur pump is there to supply oxygen, consider adding more twist or maybe some stair case in the leading in water to create more swirl, it helps. Of course, mechanical pump is desire for constant supply, but I think your fish density is not tat high yet.

I think he means all the pic except the first one, why so milky ah? But as far as i know, in nature, water usually wont be crystal clear.
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yeah actually not worried about the market yet. more worried about the well being of the fish as i had only started for 1 month. will update when available.

actually there is a outlet to create whirlwind in the tank so its like going round and round.

for the picture the pump was not on 100% capacity thus you still find the water is bit murky but now its better. i just came back from place and the water is quite clear though obviously not crystal clear.

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This Patin died because it was CARNIVORED. sigh...add more feed to them.

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post Sep 19 2007, 08:59 PM

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Is anyone into goat farming?
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post Sep 19 2007, 11:48 PM

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Hello to all senior members. I am Beh. I breed Pet rabbit. I have involved in rabbitry since 2004. Now my farm in Semenyih.

I am interested in fish farming also.
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post Sep 20 2007, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 19 2007, 11:48 PM)
Hello to all senior members. I am Beh. I breed Pet rabbit. I have involved in rabbitry since 2004. Now my farm in Semenyih.

I am interested in fish farming also.
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welcome to the forum...

is your farm along the main road of Semenyih ?
opposite a drug rehab centre ?
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QUOTE(strace @ Sep 19 2007, 08:59 PM)
Is anyone into goat farming?
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Got a few articles about goat farming, interested? Basically if u are interested i have some contacts and so on here. Also refer to this following website, they just got updated quite recently, more info then my last visit a few months back.

http://jamnapari.com/index_e.html

Basically our gov is encouraging people to get into goat farm, as our mutton is mainly relying on import market(>97%), by getting into goat farm you have a few source of income:

Meat
Most of our mutton are relying on import stock, a whopping 97% of them(last year data), this implies a very big market potential for local market alone. Of course, your farm need to be efficient enough, and with the proper economical scale to really compete with imported cheap mutton.

Milk
1kg of goat milk is being sold for around RM20, but drinking goat milk is not as common as cow milk, this mean that the exsisting consumer market is small, but this also mean that the potential of goat milk is still have a lot of room to grow, hard work and dedication required, of course. Some nutritional facts about goat milk is those people who allergy to cow milk might be able to torelate goat milk, as it is a little bit easier to digest.

Breed
Breeding goat to sell to people who want to set up a goat farm or whatever purpose, usually selling kid(baby goat), adult goat for breeding purpose. They must be selected to ensure healthy and strong. Breed goats are very expensive, their kids is sort of like a side income thou.

Your farm can focus on any single topic above, for example, breed goat solely for milking. Or you can do everything above: sell weaker goats for meat, breed goats for sell or expand ur farm, milk those goats tat just had kids, etc.

Heres one case study about a guy who work on a cow farm, he buy in young cow and feed them for a few months, then sell off as meat cow. So he focus on feeding the cow and keep them clean only. This might apply on goats.

QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 19 2007, 11:48 PM)
Hello to all senior members. I am Beh. I breed Pet rabbit. I have involved in rabbitry since 2004. Now my farm in Semenyih.

I am interested in fish farming also.
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Great to have a rabbit expert here smile.gif Lets be reminded that pet market is also part of agriculture, be it pet fish, pet rabbig, hamster, pet frog, etc etc.

I know semenyih got a ostrich farm too. Near there? Pet rabbit means u r not supplying stocks to kajang satay biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by rexis: Sep 20 2007, 04:51 PM
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post Sep 21 2007, 03:09 AM

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[quote=ParaOpticaL,Sep 20 2007, 08:22 AM]welcome to the forum...

is your farm along the main road of Semenyih ?
opposite a drug rehab centre ?
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My farm is situated at Jalan Hulu Rinching2, is about 5 minutes from the town. My neighbour is a huge rabbit farm. They supply rabbit meat. I only breed pure breed for pet. You all are welcome to visit my farm.


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I know semenyih got a ostrich farm too. Near there? Pet rabbit means u r not supplying stocks to kajang satay biggrin.gif
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Not near the ostrich farm. My farm at Rinching. I am not breeding rabbit for meat. I breed rabbit for pet.

I am really happy that i can know you all are really support agriculture sectore. Now a day, not many young man interested to involve in agriculture.

This post has been edited by beh_yo_rabbitry: Sep 21 2007, 03:14 AM
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[quote=beh_yo_rabbitry,Sep 21 2007, 03:09 AM]
My farm is situated at Jalan Hulu Rinching2, is about 5 minutes from the town. My neighbour is a huge rabbit farm. They supply rabbit meat. I only breed pure breed for pet. You all are welcome to visit my farm.


Added on September 21, 2007, 3:12 am

I know semenyih got a ostrich farm too. Near there? Pet rabbit means u r not supplying stocks to kajang satay biggrin.gif
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[/quote]

Not near the ostrich farm. My farm at Rinching. I am not breeding rabbit for meat. I breed rabbit for pet.

I am really happy that i can know you all are really support agriculture sectore. Now a day, not many young man interested to involve in agriculture.
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hi is ur rabbit breeding ur main source of income? can describe abit about difficulty, experience , whether its a good prospect to venture into agri aqua , how much capital u put in ? thank u
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post Sep 21 2007, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 21 2007, 03:09 AM)

I am really happy that i can know you all are really support agriculture sectore. Now a day, not many young man interested to involve in agriculture.

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actually a lot of people are interested in the Agriculture n Aquaculture sector. but not much exposure and the info is NOT readily available. we have to go by trial and error.

hope the govt can change this so info can be readily available
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post Sep 21 2007, 10:37 AM

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Yeah, rabbitry guy, can provide some insights? Much appreciated! Btw, how good is rabbit droppings as fertilizer?

Gov websites play a vital role of providing information, but they are not that properly maintained, but still its better then nothing. For example it took 10mins just to load that sabah agriculture dept website, not much info inside, but got some financial plans and economics for planting certain types of crops, not sure if the content update enough to reflect nowadays price or not, but at least they give you some idea what you need to budget.

By simply putting up "agri is businss" banner wont help much, it is up to one person's initiative. If one is really interested about fish farm, he will not sit there and wait fish come to him, he will go out and find out about it.

May i ask, whats the difference of interest in agriculture or any field, and interest in money?

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Agriculture is business. So, hey, are you interested in the business part or the agriculture part?

Example, our thread host, paraOptical, I talked so much about chili, sweet corn, blah, hes determined to raise fish, I can see he is most interested in tat field.

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post Sep 21 2007, 11:41 AM

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thanks for the info rexis, looking through it now. but sometimes i dont get it, goat price is all jack up because of breeding demand is it? The price won't be as good after few years later I guess. I'm still not known of goat meat standard price yet. When I checked with http://www.flfam.org.my it doesn't include goat meat in the pricing.
Currently I'm looking more into Boer breed, Jamnapari a different breed because from what I noticed it looked like a llama than a goat when it is fully mature. Not much info from the internet for Jamnapari though, maybe I'll try with different keywords.
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post Sep 21 2007, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(strace @ Sep 21 2007, 11:41 AM)
thanks for the info rexis, looking through it now. but sometimes i dont get it, goat price is all jack up because of breeding demand is it? The price won't be as good after few years later I guess. I'm still not known of goat meat standard price yet. When I checked with http://www.flfam.org.my it doesn't include goat meat in the pricing.
Currently I'm looking more into Boer breed, Jamnapari a different breed because from what I noticed it looked like a llama than a goat when it is fully mature. Not much info from the internet for Jamnapari though, maybe I'll try with different keywords.
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Jamnapari afaik is a hybrid breed from indonesia, they grow bigger, faster, and can milk. I think they are expensive as they are still scarce and mainly for breeding purpose. For the goat meat price, if i were you, I will go to wherever you can find mutton to query for their supplier and from there you find out about their price. That would be mamak stall, western food, etc etc.

Goat price actually depends on the breed, if local 'kacang' breed, I thinkn it cost around RM40-70 each. And breeding goat of course cost more, as it takes longer for goats to mature then to reach marketable size. I hear say that gov will provide you goats(not thouse bizzare breed of course) if you willing to start a goat farm, but not sure about the details.

You didnt see a price for local goat meat there because really little people breed goat for meat locally, 97% rely on imports, what you think?

Internet... limited agriculture info, especially practical one, must go into field and get your hands dirty smile.gif

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post Sep 21 2007, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(kelvintan_mobile @ Sep 21 2007, 08:45 AM)
hi is ur rabbit breeding ur main source of income? can describe abit about difficulty, experience , whether its a good prospect to venture into agri aqua , how much capital u put in ? thank u
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Now, the rabbit farm is my part time only. Now i am expanding the farm, start import show quality buck and doe from over sea to breed.

Difficulty: not enough money. and our weather is really challenging.
I have invested more than 80k. Still putting in money.....
I involved in pet rabbit sector because not many people involved. My aim is the largest pure breed pet rabbit farm in Malaysia. Hope can achieve it.


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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Sep 21 2007, 08:47 AM)
actually a lot of people are interested in the Agriculture n Aquaculture sector. but not much exposure and the info is NOT readily available. we have to go by trial and error.

hope the govt can change this so info can be readily available
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My experience is we have to do own research by internet and books and try.
I have learnt a lot of farm management, animal nutrition and etc in university, mostly is poultry and dairy farm. Never learnt about rabbit. I went through many books and internet, see how oversea people breed the rabbit, how to build the farm house, what to feed and many more.
I also applied what i have learnt in university about poultry and dairy, modified a bit then applied in my farm.
Never depends on Government, better depends on ourself.

This post has been edited by beh_yo_rabbitry: Sep 21 2007, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 21 2007, 12:11 PM)
Now, the rabbit farm is my part time only. Now i am expanding the farm, start import show quality buck and doe from over sea to breed.

Difficulty: not enough money. and our weather is really challenging.
I have invested more than 80k. Still putting in money.....
I involved in pet rabbit sector because not many people involved. My aim is the largest pure breed pet rabbit farm in Malaysia. Hope can achieve it.
partime? so who take care of the daily affairs of this farm since u do it parttime? food for rabbit , cleaning, etc.. ?
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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 21 2007, 12:11 PM)
Now, the rabbit farm is my part time only. Now i am expanding the farm, start import show quality buck and doe from over sea to breed.

Difficulty: not enough money. and our weather is really challenging.
I have invested more than 80k. Still putting in money.....
I involved in pet rabbit sector because not many people involved. My aim is the largest pure breed pet rabbit farm in Malaysia. Hope can achieve it.
Ahh, a part timer. I know in KK, Sabah, the weekly market at Gaya Street there a lot of pet rabbit stall. No idea where they breed their rabbit, but perhaps you can have an idea where to look for interaction among local 'rabbitrier'.

I dont know too much about rabbit, but I do understand that the entire autralia continent do have rabbit problem and is one of their major agriculture pest(like mice problem in oil palm plantation), which started from some old time colony westerner that brought in rabbits as their hunting game, the rabbits escaped and over breed, autralia climate is somewhat hot and dry, perhaps you can look for some suitable breed from there?

Do Malaysia have any local rabbit species? Cross breed them smile.gif Or perhaps breed the rabbits for a few generation, their kids might be more torelate to malaysian climate. - Got this conclusion from an article about breeding earthworm tongue.gif

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post Sep 22 2007, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Sep 21 2007, 10:37 AM)
Yeah, rabbitry guy, can provide some insights? Much appreciated! Btw, how good is rabbit droppings as fertilizer?

Gov websites play a vital role of providing information, but they are not that properly maintained, but still its better then nothing. For example it took 10mins just to load that sabah agriculture dept website, not much info inside, but got some financial plans and economics for planting certain types of crops, not sure if the content update enough to reflect nowadays price or not, but at least they give you some idea what you need to budget.

By simply putting up "agri is businss" banner wont help much, it is up to one person's initiative. If one is really interested about fish farm, he will not sit there and wait fish come to him, he will go out and find out about it.

May i ask, whats the difference of interest in agriculture or any field, and interest in money?

Lets me tell a story..

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Agriculture is business. So, hey, are you interested in the business part or the agriculture part?

Example, our thread host, paraOptical, I talked so much about chili, sweet corn, blah, hes determined to raise fish, I can see he is most interested in tat field.
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Rabbit's feces is a very good organic fertiliser. It will encourage the growing of earthworm.


Added on September 22, 2007, 12:56 am
QUOTE(kelvintan_mobile @ Sep 21 2007, 12:46 PM)
partime? so who take care of the daily affairs of this farm since u do it parttime? food for rabbit , cleaning, etc.. ?
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Or I can say is i have two full time job. I am a tuition teacher and a rabbit farmer. I have a worker will do all the routine works. I only go there twice or three times a week.


Added on September 22, 2007, 1:12 am
QUOTE(rexis @ Sep 21 2007, 02:40 PM)
Ahh, a part timer. I know in KK, Sabah, the weekly market at Gaya Street there a lot of pet rabbit stall. No idea where they breed their rabbit, but perhaps you can have an idea where to look for interaction among local 'rabbitrier'.

I dont know too much about rabbit, but I do understand that the entire autralia continent do have rabbit problem and is one of their major agriculture pest(like mice problem in oil palm plantation), which started from some old time colony westerner that brought in rabbits as their hunting game, the rabbits escaped and over breed, autralia climate is somewhat hot and dry, perhaps you can look for some suitable breed from there?

Do Malaysia have any local rabbit species? Cross breed them smile.gif Or perhaps breed the rabbits for a few generation, their kids might be more torelate to malaysian climate. - Got this conclusion from an article about breeding earthworm tongue.gif
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In Australia and many other countries, wild rabbit is considered as pest. I have read from books, the government there purposely introduced virus in to wild rabbit/hare to kill them. But they still have pure breed as pet. They have rabbit show also.

From what i learnt, no any breed of rabbit originated from Malaysia.
From my opinion is, for pet purpose, mostly people prefer pure breed. Malaysia is quite hard to see pure breeds. There is 45 recognized breeds by ARBA. I have registered my farm and i as a member. So I can update myself.

Although our climate and weather is hot and humid, but once the imported breed adapted, then the problem is solved. This will take about 1 month times. Our climate is quite stable. The temperate country which has 4 seasons, there is extreme cold and hot. Heat stress is a mojor problem in animal farming. Thats why major poultry farm is using closed system.

If for meat production, you may crossbred the rabbit. Like what our goverment has done to cattle, fish, prawn, and some plants. But it cost a lot. But I have visited to 2 meat production farm. My view is the rabbit in their farm is too small/light. I think is about 3 to 4 kg only. It is not efficient enough. Rabbit have to spend about 5 months to achieve the mature size. I am not in meat production line, I really don't know when will they slaughter the rabbit.

This post has been edited by beh_yo_rabbitry: Sep 22 2007, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 22 2007, 12:54 AM)
Rabbit's feces is a very good organic fertiliser. It will encourage the growing of earthworm.
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So have you utilize this as a potential side income? How much for each unit weight of your rabbit feces? Or you just throw them away?
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QUOTE(rexis @ Sep 26 2007, 10:27 AM)
So have you utilize this as a potential side income? How much for each unit weight of your rabbit feces? Or you just throw them away?
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My landlord take the feces as organic fertilizer for their sugar cane.
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QUOTE(beh_yo_rabbitry @ Sep 28 2007, 02:58 AM)
My landlord take the feces as organic fertilizer for their sugar cane.
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so do ur landlord pay u money for da feces?

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