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terence_nwb
post Nov 16 2016, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(NLTR @ Nov 16 2016, 02:18 PM)
Sorry for late reply.
I wish to play those games smoothly, not necessarily in 1080p:

Tale of Wuxia
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377530/?...1_7_7_151_150_1

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
http://store.steampowered.com/app/212480/?snr=1_237_238_

Final Fantasy X HD Remastered

Street Fighter IV and V (V not sure can run or not)

Dota 2

LOL

Diablo 3
Is NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 compatible with my current MOBO?
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It is compatible but GTX560 is nowhere to be found now (unless used unit), same goes to Core 2 Quad.

A complete overhaul will require a larger amount of budget, so try to search for used Core 2 Quad CPU, should be around RM 150 (depends on which variant and version you found), then the rest of the budget can be used to get a 120GB SSD (for OS and a more responsive system) and new GPU.

Something like this will do:
1. Used Core 2 Quad (~ RM 150)
2. 120GB SSD (~ RM 200)
3. GTX750Ti (example, ~ RM 500)

Add another 4GB RAM if needed (recommended, 4GB is barely enough nowadays with Chrome and Firefox being a memory hogger sweat.gif )


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post Nov 16 2016, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 16 2016, 03:17 PM)
It is compatible but GTX560 is nowhere to be found now (unless used unit), same goes to Core 2 Quad.

A complete overhaul will require a larger amount of budget, so try to search for used Core 2 Quad CPU, should be around RM 150 (depends on which variant and version you found), then the rest of the budget can be used to get a 120GB SSD (for OS and a more responsive system) and new GPU.

Something like this will do:
1. Used Core 2 Quad (~ RM 150)
2. 120GB SSD (~ RM 200)
3. GTX750Ti (example, ~ RM 500)

Add another 4GB RAM if needed (recommended, 4GB is barely enough nowadays with Chrome and Firefox being a memory hogger  sweat.gif )
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I see. Can I add another 4GB RAM to my MOBO? If not mistaken, my MOBO can support maximum only 4GB.

I had a check at Etech Lelong page:

GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 750TI OC 1GB GDDR5 128BIT (N75TOC-1GI) - RM472
PALIT GEFORCE GTX 1050 STORMX 2GB GDDR5 128BIT - RM579

Is 450W enough to power them? Thanks laugh.gif
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post Nov 16 2016, 09:39 PM

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Hi all, my budget is RM 2 k.

Please sugggest me the best spec for a very light editing (adobe illustrator & photoshop) and also can play game (not really high game but atleast can play game with low reso also can)....MOSTLY for light editing and web browsing.

Just the CPU (excluding monitor, keyboard and mouse)

Thank you

This post has been edited by azu_omame: Nov 16 2016, 09:40 PM
LuRu
post Nov 16 2016, 10:15 PM

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Hi to all sifus!

Recently been thinking of upgrading my GPU and getting a 144hz monitor as well.
So I was thinking that I might as well get a Free sync monitor to boot because G-Sync is.. erm.. expensive sad.gif

Budget : 2.0 - 2.5k (for both card + monitor)

Current Rig :

Asrock H97M Pro 4
i5 4440
Corsair, 8gb ram
1TB HDD
240 GB Intel 530
GTX 750 Ti
FSP 550W PSU
Cooler Master K380

So I was thinking that I should get an RX 480 and perhaps AOC 24” G2460PF from E-Tech?
Or should I get a different card?
What about G-Sync? Is it really the bomb and I should just suck it and pay more for it?

Thanks in advance!

This post has been edited by LuRu: Nov 17 2016, 07:15 AM
IceXenz
post Nov 16 2016, 11:46 PM

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Hey guys, been lurking around this forum for a while and would appreciate some feedback on this build. Mainly going to use it for gaming, 2d art, torrenting & surfing the net)

(CPU) Intel Core i5 6500
(mobo) Gigabyte B150M
(HDD) WD Blue 1TB
(SDD) Kingston SSDNow UV400 240SSD
(PSU) Superflower Leadex Gold 550W
(RAM) ?
(GPU) ?
(Chassis) ?

I haven't exactly included a budget ballpark figure as I don't really know how much I ought to be targeting and as you might've guessed, I'm still undecided about the last three. Also, since this is my very first time attempting to build a PC, I have a few questions that hopefully somebody could help me out with:

1. will I need any additional components to connect to my home wifi?

2. just wondering how it will compare to a laptop? i'm using an i7 16gb dell xps 13. haven't really played around with many desktops so i'm curious.

3. i've been reading up that i'll probably only need a screwdriver and some thermal paste to build the PC. am i missing out anything crucial?

4. the area i live in is quite prone to lightning. would it be advisable for me to get some power surge plug for the PC?

5. i'll be in and out of the country intermittently and the PC might not be switched on for 2 months at a time. would this potentially slow down/ spoil it?

6. is it worth it even building with these stats or would it be more economical for me to buy a premade PC?

7. okay, last question. would it make sense if i opted for a Dell U2515H or U2715H monitor? i have this idea of using the monitor interchangeably for this PC and as a second screen for my laptop (depending on which one i'm using at the moment). is it even feasible for me to use a monitor like this?

Sorry if some of these questions are in the wrong thread (I hope they aren't!), I'd appreciate tons if somebody pointed me in the right directions, and of course, many thanks for even reading through this post!
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post Nov 17 2016, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(NLTR @ Nov 16 2016, 07:01 PM)
I see. Can I add another 4GB RAM to my MOBO? If not mistaken, my MOBO can support maximum only 4GB.

I had a check at Etech Lelong page:

GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 750TI OC 1GB GDDR5 128BIT (N75TOC-1GI) - RM472
PALIT GEFORCE GTX 1050 STORMX 2GB GDDR5 128BIT - RM579

Is 450W enough to power them? Thanks laugh.gif
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Oops, sorry, I overlooked the specs, 4GB seems to be the maximum supported memory size sweat.gif

Yes your current 450W PSU is able to power them up, GTX1050 seems more worth in this case biggrin.gif
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post Nov 17 2016, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(azu_omame @ Nov 16 2016, 09:39 PM)
Hi all, my budget is RM 2 k.

Please sugggest me the best spec for a very light editing (adobe illustrator & photoshop) and also can play game (not really high game but atleast can play game with low reso also can)....MOSTLY for light editing and web browsing.

Just the CPU (excluding monitor, keyboard and mouse)

Thank you
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Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 488
ASRock H110M-HDV - RM 245
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 218
Zotac GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 579
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
Corsair VS450 - RM 162
Tecware F3 - RM 119

Total: RM 2026 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

If you need SSD, then you can swap the GPU with GTX750Ti and use the money to get a entry level 120GB SSD.

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post Nov 17 2016, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 08:38 AM)
Oops, sorry, I overlooked the specs, 4GB seems to be the maximum supported memory size  sweat.gif

Yes your current 450W PSU is able to power them up, GTX1050 seems more worth in this case  biggrin.gif
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Thanks for your advice.
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post Nov 17 2016, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(LuRu @ Nov 16 2016, 10:15 PM)
Hi to all sifus!

Recently been thinking of upgrading my GPU and getting a 144hz monitor as well.
So I was thinking that I might as well get a Free sync monitor to boot because G-Sync is.. erm.. expensive  sad.gif

Budget : 2.0 - 2.5k (for both card + monitor)

Current Rig :

Asrock H97M Pro 4
i5 4440
Corsair, 8gb ram
1TB HDD
240 GB Intel 530
GTX 750 Ti
FSP 550W PSU
Cooler Master K380

So I was thinking that I should get an RX 480 and perhaps AOC 24” G2460PF from E-Tech?
Or should I get a different card?
What about G-Sync? Is it really the bomb and I should just suck it and pay more for it?

Thanks in advance!
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They both are having similar purposes which is to reduce input lag, smooth out the gameplay etc but GSync is expensive due to "proprietary" technology status.

If you want to fit both requirements in your budget then AMD is the only way to go.

QUOTE(IceXenz @ Nov 16 2016, 11:46 PM)
Hey guys, been lurking around this forum for a while and would appreciate some feedback on this build. Mainly going to use it for gaming, 2d art, torrenting & surfing the net)

(CPU) Intel Core i5 6500
(mobo) Gigabyte B150M
(HDD) WD Blue 1TB
(SDD) Kingston SSDNow UV400 240SSD
(PSU) Superflower Leadex Gold 550W
(RAM) ?
(GPU) ?
(Chassis) ?

I haven't exactly included a budget ballpark figure as I don't really know how much I ought to be targeting and as you might've guessed, I'm still undecided about the last three. Also, since this is my very first time attempting to build a PC, I have a few questions that hopefully somebody could help me out with:

1. will I need any additional components to connect to my home wifi?

2. just wondering how it will compare to a laptop? i'm using an i7 16gb dell xps 13. haven't really played around with many desktops so i'm curious.

3. i've been reading up that i'll probably only need a screwdriver and some thermal paste to build the PC. am i missing out anything crucial?

4. the area i live in is quite prone to lightning. would it be advisable for me to get some power surge plug for the PC?

5. i'll be in and out of the country intermittently and the PC might not be switched on for 2 months at a time. would this potentially slow down/ spoil it?

6. is it worth it even building with these stats or would it be more economical for me to buy a premade PC?

7. okay, last question. would it make sense if i opted for a Dell U2515H or U2715H monitor? i have this idea of using the monitor interchangeably for this PC and as a second screen for my laptop (depending on which one i'm using at the moment). is it even feasible for me to use a monitor like this?

Sorry if some of these questions are in the wrong thread (I hope they aren't!), I'd appreciate tons if somebody pointed me in the right directions, and of course, many thanks for even reading through this post!
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1. Yes, you need either PCIe WiFi adapter or USB WiFi adapter to connect to your own WiFi AP.

2. Well, many benefits by going for desktop path. Better specs, upgrade room, aesthetic, fancy accessories etc rclxm9.gif
If you are a gamer and want to have the best level of gaming graphics details and high frame rate then desktop grade GPU is the only way to go at much affordable price (10 series GPU on laptop is a good idea overall but the price is a let down for almost every gamer, GTX1060 on laptop will cost at least 6k and you can already get GTX1080 with this amount of money).

3. Screwdriver (yes), thermal paste (not really needed as the new CPU does come with thermal paste pre-applied unless you plan to use 3rd party thermal paste).

4. If you don't mind spending your cash for it then it would be a good addition/protection to your hardware biggrin.gif

5. No, just don't install water cooler in your rig for potential liquid leak, but bear in mind you will get huge amount of Windows Update after you leave your rig unattended for over a very long period of time which may slow down the performance of the PC when they are being installed into your PC (unless you disable Windows Update and other background/software updates etc but not recommended).

6. Prebuilt OEM PC is just a rip-off, the specs are nowhere close with a custom build PC shakehead.gif

7. Dell UltraSharp monitors are really eye candy especially the thin bezel and good color calibration/reproduction, I am an UltraSharp user as well for quite a few years already and I love it very much, look for U2717D instead of U2715H, it is a new model with a better design overall.
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post Nov 17 2016, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 09:11 AM)
7. Dell UltraSharp monitors are really eye candy especially the thin bezel and good color calibration/reproduction, I am an UltraSharp user as well for quite a few years already and I love it very much, look for U2717D instead of U2715H, it is a new model with a better design overall.
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Bro... the u2717d is RM2300 leh... thats why until now I havent upgrade my old samsung p2770h.... cannot see myself paying 2300 for a monitor when a 42" 4k smart TV is only goign for 3k ish... sad.gif

If there is any decent buy for say under 1.5k then I would seriously consider lor...
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post Nov 17 2016, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 09:11 AM)
1. Yes, you need either PCIe WiFi adapter or USB WiFi adapter to connect to your own WiFi AP.

2. Well, many benefits by going for desktop path. Better specs, upgrade room, aesthetic, fancy accessories etc  rclxm9.gif
If you are a gamer and want to have the best level of gaming graphics details and high frame rate then desktop grade GPU is the only way to go at much affordable price (10 series GPU on laptop is a good idea overall but the price is a let down for almost every gamer, GTX1060 on laptop will cost at least 6k and you can already get GTX1080 with this amount of money).

3. Screwdriver (yes), thermal paste (not really needed as the new CPU does come with thermal paste pre-applied unless you plan to use 3rd party thermal paste).

4. If you don't mind spending your cash for it then it would be a good addition/protection to your hardware  biggrin.gif

5. No, just don't install water cooler in your rig for potential liquid leak, but bear in mind you will get huge amount of Windows Update after you leave your rig unattended for over a very long period of time which may slow down the performance of the PC when they are being installed into your PC (unless you disable Windows Update and other background/software updates etc but not recommended).

6. Prebuilt OEM PC is just a rip-off, the specs are nowhere close with a custom build PC  shakehead.gif

7. Dell UltraSharp monitors are really eye candy especially the thin bezel and good color calibration/reproduction, I am an UltraSharp user as well for quite a few years already and I love it very much, look for U2717D instead of U2715H, it is a new model with a better design overall.
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Awesome! Thank you so much for replying. Aha, think I'll have to work my way up to "fancy" accessories since everything is really expensive lately. rclxub.gif

Anyway, think I've decided on the components. What do you think?
(CPU) Intel Core i5 6500
(mobo) Gigabyte B150M
(HDD) WD Blue 1TB
(SDD) Kingston SSDNow UV400 240SSD
(PSU) Superflower Leadex Gold 550W
(RAM) Kingston 8GB
(GPU) MSI GTX1060
(Chassis) Tecware

I'm not sure if I ought to get 16GB RAM since I'm one of those who ends up with 60 browser tabs without realising, with multiple apps open. Not sure if its worth it. Maybe I should just kick the habit instead and learn minimalism lol.

Also, slightly confused by all the different brands. Are there any benefits to sticking with a particular brand for parts or can I just get the cheapest around (e.g. Kingston vs MSI vs Gigabyte)?

Help much appreciated (seriously, thanks again man!!)
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post Nov 17 2016, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Nov 17 2016, 10:36 AM)
Bro... the u2717d is RM2300 leh... thats why until now I havent upgrade my old samsung p2770h.... cannot see myself paying 2300 for a monitor when a 42" 4k smart TV is only goign for 3k ish...  sad.gif

If there is any decent buy for say under 1.5k then I would seriously consider lor...
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Well you cannot compare a PC monitor with TV though, they are aiming at different customers, resolution is not the only thing that matters.

Not everyone is looking to browse FB/Lowyat Forum on a 42" TV, it is just too big and uncomfortable to me, and 4K is an insane resolution to drive even with GTX1080/Titan Pascal tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Nov 17 2016, 10:36 AM)
Bro... the u2717d is RM2300 leh... thats why until now I havent upgrade my old samsung p2770h.... cannot see myself paying 2300 for a monitor when a 42" 4k smart TV is only goign for 3k ish...  sad.gif

If there is any decent buy for say under 1.5k then I would seriously consider lor...
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Ah ic, would there be any particular brand in the market now you'd recommend instead? if it's 27 inches but cheaper :S
I'm mainly looking for something that's more accurate colourwise because I'm planning to use it for art and some minor photo editing. Doesn't matter as much with gaming.
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QUOTE(IceXenz @ Nov 17 2016, 11:00 AM)
Ah ic, would there be any particular brand in the market now you'd recommend instead? if it's 27 inches but cheaper :S
I'm mainly looking for something that's more accurate colourwise because I'm planning to use it for art and some minor photo editing. Doesn't matter as much with gaming.
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When you start talking about art/photo and colour accuracy... time to stack on the $$$... a little improvement in those area equates to a huge increase in price...
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Nov 17 2016, 11:03 AM)
When you start talking about art/photo and colour accuracy... time to stack on the $$$... a little improvement in those area equates to a huge increase in price...
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Alright, got it. Thanks! I guess it's time to eat maggi for a few months..
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 10:59 AM)
Well you cannot compare a PC monitor with TV though, they are aiming at different customers, resolution is not the only thing that matters.

Not everyone is looking to browse FB/Lowyat Forum on a 42" TV, it is just too big and uncomfortable to me, and 4K is an insane resolution to drive even with GTX1080/Titan Pascal  tongue.gif
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Its like saying a Merc S600 is too big so must stick with a C200 even if its more expensive dry.gif

Anyway, I agree for monitor due to its close proximity PPI might be more of a consideration then just 4K... I need to get 800mm depth just for the 27" monitor (also I like to rest my entire forearm on the table for comfort).

so i guess my pipe dream of upgrading my monitor remains that... especially with our awesome ringgit
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QUOTE(IceXenz @ Nov 17 2016, 10:57 AM)
Awesome! Thank you so much for replying. Aha, think I'll have to work my way up to "fancy" accessories since everything is really expensive lately.  rclxub.gif

Anyway, think I've decided on the components. What do you think?
(CPU) Intel Core i5 6500
(mobo) Gigabyte B150M
(HDD) WD Blue 1TB
(SDD) Kingston SSDNow UV400 240SSD
(PSU) Superflower Leadex Gold 550W
(RAM) Kingston 8GB
(GPU) MSI GTX1060
(Chassis) Tecware

I'm not sure if I ought to get 16GB RAM since I'm one of those who ends up with 60 browser tabs without realising, with multiple apps open. Not sure if its worth it. Maybe I should just kick the habit instead and learn minimalism lol.

Also, slightly confused by all the different brands. Are there any benefits to sticking with a particular brand for parts or can I just get the cheapest around (e.g. Kingston vs MSI vs Gigabyte)?

Help much appreciated (seriously, thanks again man!!)
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QUOTE(IceXenz @ Nov 17 2016, 11:00 AM)
Ah ic, would there be any particular brand in the market now you'd recommend instead? if it's 27 inches but cheaper :S
I'm mainly looking for something that's more accurate colourwise because I'm planning to use it for art and some minor photo editing. Doesn't matter as much with gaming.
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Go for 16GB RAM in this case, but due to our weak RM currency and stock shortage, DDR4 RAM price has gone up hill, up to 50% increment in the past few weeks doh.gif

Brand doesn't matter as they can work with communicate with each other without any issue, if you are looking to save as much money as possible, just grab the cheapest one.

Stick with Dell UltraSharp if you are going for photo editing which requires accurate color calibration, BenQ also comes out with few 99% sRGB professional CAD/Adobe Suite monitors but quite pricey too.
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QUOTE(IceXenz @ Nov 16 2016, 11:46 PM)

2. just wondering how it will compare to a laptop? i'm using an i7 16gb dell xps 13. haven't really played around with many desktops so i'm curious.

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Assuming your laptop is the 2016 model,
your CPU is most likely going to be a i7-6560U, which is 2C, 4T, max speed 3.2ghz
A desktop cheapest i3 6100 will beat your laptop i7 in terms of pure cpu performance, it has 2c, 4t, and runs at 3.7ghz

also your laptop uses DDR3, desktop will be using DDR4

But your laptops 512 GB NVMe Samsung PM951 SSD is very fast, beats normal Desktop ssd anyday
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 11:13 AM)
Go for 16GB RAM in this case, but due to our weak RM currency and stock shortage, DDR4 RAM price has gone up hill, up to 50% increment in the past few weeks  doh.gif
SPot on for the RAM... I got the Avexir 16GB DDR4 2400mhz @ RM400 2 days ago... was RM389 last week...
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Nov 17 2016, 10:59 AM)
Well you cannot compare a PC monitor with TV though, they are aiming at different customers, resolution is not the only thing that matters.

Not everyone is looking to browse FB/Lowyat Forum on a 42" TV, it is just too big and uncomfortable to me, and 4K is an insane resolution to drive even with GTX1080/Titan Pascal  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Nov 17 2016, 11:13 AM)
Its like saying a Merc S600 is too big so must stick with a C200 even if its more expensive  dry.gif

Anyway, I agree for monitor due to its close proximity PPI might be more of a consideration then just 4K... I need to get 800mm depth just for the 27" monitor (also I like to rest my entire forearm on the table for comfort).

so i guess my pipe dream of upgrading my monitor remains that... especially with our awesome ringgit
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i too though about getting a 42 4k tv for a monitor,
there the thing, monitors are usually placed just over 2 feet away, about a arms length,
with a 42 inch monitor you need to put it about 4-5 away thats if you have the space.
set the screen resolution to run at 1080 or just over that, dont set it to 4k else everything is too tiny to see.

i find reading a distance of 2 arms lengh is much easier compared to 1 arms length, as your eyes focus point is far and relaxed.

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