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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) VI, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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nexona88
post Oct 9 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 9 2016, 04:38 PM)
updates,
today be able to top up total 10k. (at pantai timur) All done by last minute 3.5xpm biggrin.gif
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which fund?

and which state? icon_rolleyes.gif

anyhow congratz rclxms.gif thumbsup.gif

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post Oct 9 2016, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 9 2016, 04:43 PM)
which fund?

and which state?  icon_rolleyes.gif

anyhow congratz  rclxms.gif  thumbsup.gif
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thanks bro, it's at kt again.

AS1M 8
ASW 1
ASM 1

its' small amounts but largest (in single day) for me since I started invest in asnb. blush.gif

can't forget how hard for me to "open" 3 new accounts and those small amounts of top up in ASW.. sweat.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 9 2016, 04:42 PM)
good trick.. asg is unit trust  bruce.gif
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A poor non performing unit trust. sad.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 9 2016, 04:42 PM)
good trick.. asg is unit trust  bruce.gif
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 9 2016, 04:54 PM)
thanks bro, it's at kt again.

AS1M 8
ASW 1
ASM 1

its' small amounts but largest (in single day) for me since I started invest in asnb.  blush.gif

can't forget how hard for me to "open" 3 new accounts and those small amounts of top up in ASW..  sweat.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 9 2016, 04:55 PM)
A poor non performing unit trust. sad.gif
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remembered I was trying to buy this before? and you fortunately you told me it's a unit trust so I didn't naik kereta and change my boat into "real fp funds".. thanks bro notworthy.gif
but many aunt unker naik this ASG because of the ridiculous high interest rate of FD that bound with the ASG package...
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 9 2016, 04:56 PM)
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sry what I trying to say is variable price funds hehe blush.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 05:01 PM

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My 2 cents here as some are wandering which ASX to hunt for.

Rather than on gut feel, look at past performance and then throw your money at it! Ha.

Attached Image

AA First graph

To me, the 3 ASX are about the same visually.

What stands out for me is, these ASX were BETTER than EPF till the last 2 years.


BB Second graph

Standard deviation is a measure of variation/dispersion. Std/avg gives a better comparison.

For the past 6 years return averages, the order is

ASW
ASM
AS1M
EPF

In terms of variation, EPF & ASW have the highest, then ASM & AS1M.

Using std/avg comparison, EPF and ASW are the worst, then ASM and AS1M is the most consistent one.


So, if you want highest return, go for ASW. If you want consistency go for AS1M. Ha.

P/S I am not liable for your decision based on the above analysis! Ha.

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post Oct 9 2016, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2016, 05:01 PM)
My 2 cents here as some are wandering which ASX to hunt for.

Rather than on gut feel, look at past performance and then throw your money at it! Ha.

Attached Image

AA First graph

To me, the 3 ASX are about the same visually.

What stands out for me is, these ASX were BETTER than EPF till the last 2 years.
BB Second graph

Standard deviation is a measure of variation/dispersion. Std/avg gives a better comparison.

For the past 6 years return averages, the order is

ASW
ASM
AS1M
EPF

In terms of variation, EPF & ASW have the highest, then ASM & AS1M.

Using std/avg comparison, EPF and ASW are the worst, then ASM and AS1M is the most consistent one.
So, if you want highest return, go for ASW. If you want consistency go for AS1M. Ha.

P/S  I am not liable for your decision based on the above analysis! Ha.

Cheerio.
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no wonder why a lot people are hunting for ASW devil.gif beside sentimental value sweat.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2016, 05:01 PM)
My 2 cents here as some are wandering which ASX to hunt for.

Rather than on gut feel, look at past performance and then throw your money at it! Ha.

Attached Image

AA First graph

To me, the 3 ASX are about the same visually.

What stands out for me is, these ASX were BETTER than EPF till the last 2 years.
BB Second graph

Standard deviation is a measure of variation/dispersion. Std/avg gives a better comparison.

For the past 6 years return averages, the order is

ASW
ASM
AS1M
EPF

In terms of variation, EPF & ASW have the highest, then ASM & AS1M.

Using std/avg comparison, EPF and ASW are the worst, then ASM and AS1M is the most consistent one.
So, if you want highest return, go for ASW. If you want consistency go for AS1M. Ha.

P/S  I am not liable for your decision based on the above analysis! Ha.

Cheerio.
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very very well studies / analysis... thumbup.gif
no wonder it's so hard top in ASW bangwall.gif
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post Oct 9 2016, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2016, 05:01 PM)
P/S  I am not liable for your decision based on the above analysis! Ha.

Cheerio.
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Thanks for sharing the analysis
Take note tat past performance doesn't guarantee future returns
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post Oct 9 2016, 06:44 PM

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Below is my analysis:-

ASW
Returns since inception - 7.383%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.520%
Average returns for 10 yrs - 6.675%

ASM
Returns since inception - 6.793%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.560%
Average returns for 10 yrs - 6.633%

AS1M
Returns since inception - 6.469%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.480%
Average returns for 10 yrs - N/A
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post Oct 9 2016, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2016, 06:44 PM)
Below is my analysis:-

ASW
Returns since inception - 7.383%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.520%
Average returns for 10 yrs - 6.675%

ASM
Returns since inception - 6.793%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.560%
Average returns for 10 yrs - 6.633%

AS1M
Returns since inception - 6.469%
Average returns for 5 yrs - 6.480%
Average returns for 10 yrs - N/A
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U guys are GOOD ! Doing analysis on your investments ! notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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ASW2020 "Returns since inception" is highest because the first year dividend rate is 10.10sen. 2nd year is 9.80sen shocking.gif rclxm9.gif

compare with ASM & AS1M, which is way lower blush.gif

we needed to look at 5 year average. then only correct..
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2016, 06:28 PM)
Thanks for sharing the analysis
Take note tat past performance doesn't guarantee future returns
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Yes, agree that past performance does not guarantee future returns but I view it as a guide.

Say, X is very good in primary and secondary schools while Y is very poor in his studies.

X has a higher chance of doing well in uni than Y, though there is no guarantee that Y cannot do better than X later.

It does not guarantee but it is a good indication, provided the fundamentals are there and maintained.

Just my 2 cents ...
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post Oct 9 2016, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 9 2016, 03:51 PM)
Is the A = yearly expenses / net worth, given by the book ?

I think should replace the net worth by liquid asset excluding primary residence.  hmm.gif
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Good point on the liquid asset. Are rented houses considered as illiquid assets? If yes, then a landlord with many rented houses will give a false higher expenses/asset ratio than 0.03 as his houses are not counted.

I am thinking along this line. After using up all the assets except the house, one can still sell the house (if situation requires one to) and live in a rented house or hotel. Sell the house for RM1 million, stay at a hotel at RM150 per night with RM150 daily expenses, that can still last for 1 million/300 = 9 years!

Cannot remember whether the A thing is mentioned in the book. I read that some time ago. Likely yes as I think he explained the origin of 0.03 and that a 0.04-0.05 might be more suitable. Maybe that was from another book/article?

Sorry, sorry, sorry! Ha.

P/S OT here. So I better stop here.
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post Oct 9 2016, 09:39 PM

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I have registered AS1M via m2u by using old a/c no last yr
Can I top up AS1M now since ASNB have changed the old a/c to New a/c now?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 9 2016, 09:39 PM)
I have registered AS1M via m2u by using old a/c no last yr
Can I top up AS1M now since ASNB have changed the old a/c to New a/c now?
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Yes, very good point!

I think it is possible. I only updated my daughter's AS1M passbook a few days ago. Before that, I still managed to buy some online for her.

Maybe they have automatically corrected the online account? Hope so.

Will find out.
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post Oct 9 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2016, 09:48 PM)
Yes, very good point!

I think it is possible. I only updated my daughter's AS1M passbook a few days ago. Before that, I still managed to buy some online for her.

Maybe they have automatically corrected the online account? Hope so.

Will find out.
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Thanks for enlightening
I will try to top up RM100 tmrw
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online top up of AS1M is entitle to Labur Online 2016 contest.

non bumi winners would be given units in ASG or AS1M blush.gif rclxms.gif while bumi can be ASB, ASB2, ASG or AS1M rclxm9.gif

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