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post Feb 5 2020, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 09:19 PM)
I'm sorry I haven't been able to convince you. And this is a forum where it is open for opinion and debate, and I admittedly said deposit has its pros, so is insurance. For further transparency.

Stats:
50th percentile - all claims* taken care by Basic package.
~85th percentile - all claims* can be taken care of with Extended package.
* means the submitted claim vs approved claim = 100% match.

Remaining 2% - Allianz approved less, we pay from our pocket to subsidize when we think it is reasonable for landlord to claim it.

We do what's right and fair, I'm a landlord as well, so I know the pain. And where ever Allianz didn't payout as much as landlord expected but we thought that it warrant assistance we subsidize, most if not all landlords were satisfied with the outcome. And those we subsidise is in excess of 2% sample size stated. So in other words, we will make sure landlord is better protected, and certainly making sure it has a better outcome than taking deposit. 

So you can choose to bombard on our extreme cases, which is super rare. When extreme cases happen to you when you take deposit, I'm absolutely 100% sure without a doubt that you will be better off with insurance. One way or another, Allianz or SPEEDHOME will make it right to you because we are here to protect both landlord and tenant.
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Honestly, your argument is weak. Your wear&tear samples are unreasonable as well.

If a landlord is taking the conventional way of getting 2.5months of deposit, I am sure extreme cases are super rare too and hence insurance is not necessarily needed.

Also, your argument of the figures was not supported by any evidence.
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post Feb 5 2020, 09:53 PM

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Hehe... perhaps we should appoint an auditor to audit this figure?

I think we will do just that. I'll ask my finance to ask the auditor to do this special audit. I hope by the time we release the report, there won't be comments on "oh this is not from PwC, Deloitte, E&Y...". I'm all ready to prove that.

Like I said, the insurance is certainly better than the 2.5 months deposit. It's not even comparable, only it's furnishing documents that's a little leceh, but as mentioned too, 60% of claims approved within 5 business days. 96% within 15 business days.


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post Feb 5 2020, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 5 2020, 09:43 PM)
Honestly, your argument is weak. Your wear&tear samples are unreasonable as well.

If a landlord is taking the conventional way of getting 2.5months of deposit, I am sure extreme cases are super rare too and hence insurance is not necessarily needed.

Also, your argument of the figures was not supported by any evidence.
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My personal experience.. The deposit will not help if you encounter problematic tenants. There are professional tenants out there. Hopefully when tenant act come in, all these can be weed out.

If refer to extreme scenario for both.
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post Feb 5 2020, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Feb 5 2020, 09:57 PM)
My personal experience.. The deposit will not help if you encounter problematic tenants. There are professional tenants out there. Hopefully when tenant act come in, all these can be weed out.

If refer to extreme scenario for both.
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It depends on what is stated in the contract. Take all the pictures of your whole house. If the damages incurred more than the deposit amount, you can file the case to the court to claim from him. And also viral the case online so no one will rent to him anymore.



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post Feb 5 2020, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 09:53 PM)
Hehe... perhaps we should appoint an auditor to audit this figure?

I think we will do just that. I'll ask my finance to ask the auditor to do this special audit. I hope by the time we release the report, there won't be comments on "oh this is not from PwC, Deloitte, E&Y...". I'm all ready to prove that.

Like I said, the insurance is certainly better than the 2.5 months deposit. It's not even comparable, only it's furnishing documents that's a little leceh, but as mentioned too, 60% of claims approved within 5 business days. 96% within 15 business days.
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Again no point of mentioning something which cannot be supported by evidence. But it's a fact that wild_card case has not been settled for months. If not because you have lost your argument with me, I doubt that you will immediately bank-in to wild_card for damage control brows.gif I can see through you brows.gif

So coincidence ah Allianz approved the claim yesterday at 4pm? Or you approved yourself? brows.gif
If you can show proof Allianz approved the claim, I will apologize to you here. brows.gif

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 5 2020, 10:24 PM
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post Feb 5 2020, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 5 2020, 10:10 PM)
It depends on what is stated in the contract. Take all the pictures of your whole house. If the damages incurred more than the deposit amount, you can file the case to the court to claim from him. And also viral the case online so no one will rent to him anymore.
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Good luck bro. Unless your losses is running to more than rm50k, otherwise it is good money chasing bad money.

But I will applause you for the principle seeking justice.

This post has been edited by gks: Feb 5 2020, 11:49 PM
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post Feb 6 2020, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 5 2020, 10:10 PM)
It depends on what is stated in the contract. Take all the pictures of your whole house. If the damages incurred more than the deposit amount, you can file the case to the court to claim from him. And also viral the case online so no one will rent to him anymore.
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Just to share with u, wear n tear is hard to justify in the event u wanna price it to go thru legal way to make a claim fr ur tenant.

Small amount is oso hardly worth the time n effort to file to court. If the amount is huge tat can reach the 50k bankruptcy threshold then I blif the deposit part is not a small amount to begin with.

Anw there isn't any number given in ur above post so I'm just sharing my experience. Dun mind me as I'm alwiz wrong wan 🤭☺️😉
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post Feb 6 2020, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 08:19 PM)
I'm sorry I haven't been able to convince you. And this is a forum where it is open for opinion and debate, and I admittedly said deposit has its pros, so is insurance. For further transparency.

Stats:
50th percentile - all claims* taken care by Basic package.
~85th percentile - all claims* can be taken care of with Extended package.
* means the submitted claim vs approved claim = 100% match.

Remaining 2% - Allianz approved less, we pay from our pocket to subsidize when we think it is reasonable for landlord to claim it.

We do what's right and fair, I'm a landlord as well, so I know the pain. And where ever Allianz didn't payout as much as landlord expected but we thought that it warrant assistance we subsidize, most if not all landlords were satisfied with the outcome. And those we subsidise is in excess of 2% sample size stated. So in other words, we will make sure landlord is better protected, and certainly making sure it has a better outcome than taking deposit. 

So you can choose to bombard on our extreme cases, which is super rare. When extreme cases happen to you when you take deposit, I'm absolutely 100% sure without a doubt that you will be better off with insurance. One way or another, Allianz or SPEEDHOME will make it right to you because we are here to protect both landlord and tenant.
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If your services really good, not necessary to convince people, sekali cuba, Hari Hari mau biggrin.gif we sure wil help you promote it...if your services hmmm... hmm.gif

I still prefer the conventional way to collect 2 months deposit plus buy my own household contents insurance, can sleep well at night..til your platform allow owner to collect deposits avoid the wear and tear arguments only wil consider your platform as up till today I stil believe 2months deposit can help me filter the bad paymaster tenant, ctos and others checking not so expensive and quite easy nowadays

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post Feb 6 2020, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Feb 5 2020, 11:45 PM)
Good luck bro. Unless your losses is running to more than rm50k, otherwise it is good money chasing bad money.

But I will applause you for the principle seeking justice.
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The majority of the people are lazy and ignorant of the law. Still, by getting a 2.5months deposit and a good contract, the likelihood that he will damage your property is not high.

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Feb 6 2020, 07:10 AM)
Just to share with u, wear n tear is hard to justify in the event u wanna price it to go thru legal way to make a claim fr ur tenant.

Small amount is oso hardly worth the time n effort to file to court. If the amount is huge tat can reach the 50k bankruptcy threshold then I blif the deposit part is not a small amount to begin with.

Anw there isn't any number given in ur above post so I'm just sharing my experience. Dun mind me as I'm alwiz wrong wan 🤭☺️😉
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No such thing as hard to justify. If the bed frame is broken, it definitely will minus from the deposit. You check everything before signing the contract. Inside the contract have listed down the prices and everything.

Not worth your time and effort then that's your problem, not my problem what. I am telling you the better way of claiming damages from your tenant for extreme cases. If you lazy what to do? It's still better than the CEO giving you all sorts of figures but in fact, never supported by any evidence right?

If you look at Wild card case, he had wasted months on the CEO and finally only received the money for damage control. Somemore have to wait for the adjuster to come and in the meantime, you cannot rent out your house.

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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 6 2020, 12:43 PM)
The majority of the people are lazy and ignorant of the law. Still, by getting a 2.5months deposit and a good contract, the likelihood that he will damage your property is not high.
No such thing as hard to justify. If the bed frame is broken, it definitely will minus from the deposit. You check everything before signing the contract. Inside the contract have listed down the prices and everything.

Not worth your time and effort then that's your problem, not my problem what. I am telling you the better way of claiming damages from your tenant for extreme cases. If you lazy what to do? It's still better than the CEO giving you all sorts of figures but in fact, never supported by any evidence right?

If you look at Wild card case, he had wasted months on the CEO and finally only received the money for damage control.  Somemore have to wait for the adjuster to come and in the meantime, you cannot rent out your house.
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simple je bang... u already so in doubt with this service already... just move on with the conventional renting method je... so far i always collect 3 months deposit from my tenants... I'm sure its workable anyway despite what everyone mentioned about the market... its just mean that speedrent is not meant for everybody je... all these arguments with the CEO are not reducing your doubts anyhow... haha
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post Feb 6 2020, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Feb 6 2020, 12:57 PM)
simple je bang... u already so in doubt with this service already... just move on with the conventional renting method je... so far i always collect 3 months deposit from my tenants... I'm sure its workable anyway despite what everyone mentioned about the market... its just mean that speedrent is not meant for everybody je... all these arguments with the CEO are not reducing your doubts anyhow... haha
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This service is only good for those rich fags that not depending much on rental income. If you look at their extended plan, it's 1.5 months commission+6%sst and RM10. Since the tenant doesn't need to pay any deposit to the landlord, they can just stay a few months and cabut. Even if you sign 6 months or 1-year contract will not make a difference because they still can cabut.

The commission is counted based on each contract. Let say tenant keeps on cabut and you sign 3 times contract with him, it means one year also you lose 4.5 months of the rental income to him. And not includes the risks of getting damages on your property. Not everyone will have the time like wild card to arguing here for months.

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 08:44 AM)
Allianz approved the claim yesterday around 4pm. Today we will disburse it to you.
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Thank you. My wife has prepared the required (final?) paperwork and sent it in yesterday.
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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 6 2020, 12:43 PM)
The majority of the people are lazy and ignorant of the law. Still, by getting a 2.5months deposit and a good contract, the likelihood that he will damage your property is not high.
No such thing as hard to justify. If the bed frame is broken, it definitely will minus from the deposit. You check everything before signing the contract. Inside the contract have listed down the prices and everything.

Not worth your time and effort then that's your problem, not my problem what. I am telling you the better way of claiming damages from your tenant for extreme cases. If you lazy what to do? It's still better than the CEO giving you all sorts of figures but in fact, never supported by any evidence right?

If you look at Wild card case, he had wasted months on the CEO and finally only received the money for damage control.  Somemore have to wait for the adjuster to come and in the meantime, you cannot rent out your house.
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Feb 6 2020, 12:57 PM)
simple je bang... u already so in doubt with this service already... just move on with the conventional renting method je... so far i always collect 3 months deposit from my tenants... I'm sure its workable anyway despite what everyone mentioned about the market... its just mean that speedrent is not meant for everybody je... all these arguments with the CEO are not reducing your doubts anyhow... haha
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This approach not suitable for you, you may find other method that fit you...
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Speedrent charge 1.5 multiplier for 6 months stay, this is much too high
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post Feb 6 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Feb 6 2020, 04:10 PM)
Speedrent charge 1.5 multiplier for 6 months stay, this is much too high
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Oh ya, the promo has ended. 1.5 is exorbitant.
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QUOTE(lausimmei78 @ Feb 6 2020, 05:42 PM)
oh they increased the commission??? mine was only 1 month rental last 2 yrs
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did you still continue with speed rent nowadays?
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post Feb 11 2020, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(lausimmei78 @ Feb 10 2020, 09:41 AM)
nope coz managed to find tenant myself
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so you need to prepare your own tenency agreement yourself right?
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post Feb 11 2020, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Feb 6 2020, 04:10 PM)
Speedrent charge 1.5 multiplier for 6 months stay, this is much too high
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This is for the tenant to pay, not landlord.
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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 11 2020, 05:03 PM)
This is for the tenant to pay, not landlord.
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Please correct me if I am wrong.

The 6 months paid by tenant to SpeedHome IS rental for the landlord under conventional circumstances.

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