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 Speedrent, Guarantee Deposit Scheme (ask opinion)

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m0n0p0ly
post Feb 5 2020, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Feb 5 2020, 10:23 AM)
Mind to share what is the highest paid out so far by speedrent?
RM30k is the limit, assuming 2 months deposit the rental is worth rm15k permonth. From my quick browsing of speedrent, it seems I couldn't find any of these properties in speedrent.
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2months deposit also not able to pay, this kind of tenant big NO NO for me! Financially sure got issues! One thing I like about the speedhome platform is they provide actual photos for the unit.
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post Feb 5 2020, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 04:54 PM)
I beg to differ. Really. There is a lot of misconception about no deposit.

Yes, we do attract 'financially' bad tenants, but we also attract financially stable tenants. And we perform credit checking on every transaction, which means if tenants that are financially bad, they won't be accepted to rent through SPEEDHOME.

Put yourself in the shoe of tenant - even if you were able to pay deposit, would you like NOT to pay deposit if there is an option?
Put yourself in the shoe of tenant - you have just graduated, your saving in bank is low, unable to pay deposit, but does that mean you are financially bad?
Put yourself in the shoe of a property buyer - is downpayment hard? And if the prop developers gives 0 downpayment - would it suddenly become super easy to own a house? (that happened in 2009-ish, and that's why a lot of people 'got rich' with it). Same logic for 0 deposit for renting a house.

I presume you would understand the pain the tenant goes through. And understand that there tons of upside for owners to gain through enlarged tenant pool of choices, speedier because your neighbours want deposit, and you get insurance protection.

We should objectively analyse the situation, not just looking at one aspect of the situation without looking at other opportunities that arise from that.
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Curious to know how you do the credit checking for the people from United Nation such as Syrians, Iranian, African and Nigerians?

If fresh graduate or the one saving is low why choose to rent a house instead of a room?

Zero down? How many have strong holding power versus those can pay 10% down payment? Community for zero down better or those able to pay 10% down? Those tenant willing to pay 2months deposit usually responsibility take care of the house is higher and pocket at least deeper.

I think you should provide an option for landlord either zero deposit or 2 months deposit, it's their choice,and it doesn't affect the alliance insurance. From my pov your site didn't provide this option show the you guys only care about the quick commission brows.gif how many registered estate agent in your company?
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post Feb 5 2020, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 06:59 PM)
It's easy to think like that.

Trend:
1. BNM has surveyed that and 75% of Malaysians couldn't fork out RM1000 for emergency.
2. Gen Y/Z prefer spending on lifestyle to saving.
3. Even Mobile phones/Gadgets (only RM1-5k) can buy with installment instead of cash.

In early 1970s buy house is cash down, don't even have loan, so should we be thankful that now that we can get loan to buy house? Owners always think that tenant "oh 6k also don't have, don't rent laaa". Should property developers think "50k also don't have, don't buy house la"?

We would think logically prop owners are at the better end of income level (T10); hence has the capability to save RM50k. But on tenant side, they are generally at the lower end of income level, maybe M40. So different earning levels have different capabilities to save.

RM10k/mo is easier to save RM2k/mo than RM3k/mo to save RM2k/mo.

Is installment on phones bad? Well yes if you are not managing your debt ratio well. But does it helps drastically improve access to purchase? Yes. So long it's debt is managed properly, what's wrong with installment vs buy outright after all, a lot is going 0% installment anyway.
Waiver of downpayment/deposit = ease of purchase for you to buy and developer to sell / ease for tenant to rent, faster for you to transact.
Developer = owner. If developer is easy to sell, then owner can easily rent out.
Risk = Filtered through credit checking, and if checking failed, you have insurance to cover deposit. Risk is born by Allianz at the worst.

Take note that the insurance has 3 components:
1. Rental loss - if tenant default or early terminate and runaway - 2 months - that is equivalent to your traditional 2 months of deposit.
2. Inconvenience benefits (RM1000/RM2000 depending on insurance plan) - claims for cleaning / utility bills - that is equivalent to 0.5 - 1 month worth of deposit

1 + 2 is already sufficiently match what traditional deposit covers. But what's on TOP of your traditional deposit, the insurance also cover:

3. Damage or theft to household content - RM15k/RM30k depending on insurancep lan. Technically anything extra you claim from this portion is already better than deposit. Bonus.
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Your theory go to tell newbie maybe they will listen to you whistling.gif for those want to rent the unit less than RM1000 not able to pay deposit we understand, but those able to pay RM2-5k rental no money?! M40?

Developer offer you zero down or cash back once you sign the dotted line they still earn few hundred thousand, of course they encourage you buy, landlord din collect deposit, anything happen is negative, everything bear yourself! Wardrobe door hinges broken also consider wear and tear not able to claim right? And you haven't answer the questions above, of course you can choose not to answer it.

This post has been edited by m0n0p0ly: Feb 5 2020, 08:22 PM
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post Feb 5 2020, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(uamcy @ Feb 5 2020, 07:22 PM)
The reason I came here because I have registered on their website to advertise my property. There are few potential tenants requesting for view purposes. But I have yet to make a reply. Still worry of the risks. I think next time if you want to make a claim which is hard to prove and without a receipt, you have to make a lengthy argument in here for months, with heartbroken and all then only you will be reimbursed. sad.gif
Somemore if you look at the wear&tear sample shown on the website, it's quite unreasonable.

But the conventional way of getting a deposit, you can deduct from it for whatever defective items or damages in the property.

So what do you think?
You made me feel that it's your own company disbursement rather than from Allianz. That's why I asked if you can disclose some proof that it's indeed disbursement from Allianz. Because it's very unlikely that Allianz will pay in such circumstances that had been discussed in recent posts.
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The more they claim, the more profit comm allianz wil cut, u stil dun understand it?

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post Feb 6 2020, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 08:19 PM)
I'm sorry I haven't been able to convince you. And this is a forum where it is open for opinion and debate, and I admittedly said deposit has its pros, so is insurance. For further transparency.

Stats:
50th percentile - all claims* taken care by Basic package.
~85th percentile - all claims* can be taken care of with Extended package.
* means the submitted claim vs approved claim = 100% match.

Remaining 2% - Allianz approved less, we pay from our pocket to subsidize when we think it is reasonable for landlord to claim it.

We do what's right and fair, I'm a landlord as well, so I know the pain. And where ever Allianz didn't payout as much as landlord expected but we thought that it warrant assistance we subsidize, most if not all landlords were satisfied with the outcome. And those we subsidise is in excess of 2% sample size stated. So in other words, we will make sure landlord is better protected, and certainly making sure it has a better outcome than taking deposit. 

So you can choose to bombard on our extreme cases, which is super rare. When extreme cases happen to you when you take deposit, I'm absolutely 100% sure without a doubt that you will be better off with insurance. One way or another, Allianz or SPEEDHOME will make it right to you because we are here to protect both landlord and tenant.
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If your services really good, not necessary to convince people, sekali cuba, Hari Hari mau biggrin.gif we sure wil help you promote it...if your services hmmm... hmm.gif

I still prefer the conventional way to collect 2 months deposit plus buy my own household contents insurance, can sleep well at night..til your platform allow owner to collect deposits avoid the wear and tear arguments only wil consider your platform as up till today I stil believe 2months deposit can help me filter the bad paymaster tenant, ctos and others checking not so expensive and quite easy nowadays

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