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 Speedrent, Guarantee Deposit Scheme (ask opinion)

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SUSuamcy
post Jan 31 2020, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 24 2020, 12:20 PM)
The claims were made totally according to the instructions by SpeedRent, including all the paperwork, photos, and police report. For example SpeedRent asked us to provide online photos and snapshot of the item in the online marketplace which we did, of the same-description item (for example, a 32" tv) including the price of the item. All these items we found online are of current prices as SpeedRent claims that they can substitute the historical invoices which not every one keeps.

SpeedRent was NEVER clear from the get-go about the documents required for the claims to be made. In their marketing they kept talking about the "peace of mind" as if the claims process were going to be super easy. The realities are not, you would need do so many things including providing documents that you may or may not have at the point of the claims. Why didn't SpeedRent mention this when they were courting for our business? Why didn't they mention the process and difficulty of the claims from inception? That would have been useful for us when deciding between using the conventional route(deposit taking) vs using SpeedRent.

We did exactly as instructed by SpeedRent, and they even sent the adjuster to take the photos and write a report about the damages.

And 57 days now and they are still dragging their feet, even their CEO is engaging their own customers passive-agressively suggesting that their customers are taking advantage of the insurance. What do you mean take advantage btw? The insurance was bought through your agency, and now we are trying to make a claim as per your instructions and we are labelled as the bad guy by the CEO?

Ok. Be careful guys, just lie still, don't fight for your rights as a SpeedRent customer and let him do whatever to you unless you want to be chided by the CEO

Happy holidays you all
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Bro, only can tell you it's too good to be true. If nothing is stated clearly in the contract, don't expect that you will get the compensation from them. Even they claimed to compensate 800k I am not sure oo.

Getting insured from the insurance company for house rental already quite illogical because it's very hard to prove that the items had been damaged maliciously by the tenants. If so easy, then you also can break the furniture and then make a claim. Sound silly right? There is no way to prove, bro.

By the way, after your tenant had left the house, I thought speedhome will continue to pay you rental for the next 2 months as stated on the first page of this thread? Or they changed policy already?
SUSuamcy
post Feb 4 2020, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 4 2020, 08:19 AM)
That claim figure was released by Allianz. It's not released by us.

Generally, there is fraud prevention in place, although not bulletproof, it is good enough to detect most. Illogical to insure house rental is akin to say why don't we get our car into total loss and claim the whole car again? Why don't we burn the house down and claim for fire insurance?

There are frauds in burning furniture storeroom, car workshop tries to create a car accident. But in general - how often these happen, and there is a process in place to check and balance for this.

My team is still supporting Faiz on his claim, and as he mentioned, it's RM30k. I don't know how much of it would be approved or not, but I've told my team to work closely with Allianz. So let's see what comes out of it.

Personally, I would like Allianz to reimburse as much as possible because after all if Faiz deserves it, Allianz will pay for it - period.
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Car insurance is totally different scenario because the insurance companies have billions ringgit of car insurance premium to make investment and to cover all the claims. And do you know what is a total loss? If you purposely bang your car to claim total loss without risking your lives, then I want to congratulate you. doh.gif So it's silly for you to compare a car with furniture at home

Even if you want to burn down your house, the police/adjuster will also investigate as cheating for insurance and burning your house will land you in jail. and it normally will take months or more than a year to complete investigation depends on the sum insured.

But home rental insurance is just illogical as how many insurance companies have offered such insurance? And also your standard of deciding on what is wear&tear is quite unreasonable too. If the bed frame got broken, it could be due to the real wear&tear, malicious damage by anyone or the tenant is too heavy weighing 150kg until broken the frame. So all these we won't know and no way to investigate.

Your wordings are so misleading too to misled people like wild_card_my to think that the claim process is very easy and fast.

SUSuamcy
post Feb 5 2020, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 08:44 AM)
Allianz approved the claim yesterday around 4pm. Today we will disburse it to you.
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Do you mind to show proof that Allianz has approved the insurance claim for wild_card_my?

I know you will answer " due to privacy issue, we are forbidden to disclose the documents" doh.gif

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 5 2020, 07:51 PM
SUSuamcy
post Feb 5 2020, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(m0n0p0ly @ Feb 5 2020, 08:17 PM)
Your theory go to tell newbie maybe they will listen to you whistling.gif for those want to rent the unit less than RM1000 not able to pay deposit we understand, but those able to pay RM2-5k rental no money?! M40?

Developer offer you zero down or cash back once you sign the dotted line they still earn few hundred thousand, of course they encourage you buy, landlord din collect deposit, anything happen is negative, everything bear yourself! Wardrobe door hinges broken also consider wear and tear not able to claim right?
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The reason I came here because I have registered on their website to advertise my property. There are few potential tenants requested for viewing purposes. But I have yet to make a reply. Still worry about the risks. I think next time if you want to make a claim which is hard to prove and without a receipt, you have to make a lengthy argument in here for months, with heartbroken and all then only you will be reimbursed. sad.gif
Somemore if you look at the wear&tear samples shown on the website, it's quite unreasonable.

But the conventional way of getting a deposit, you can deduct from it for whatever defective items or damages in the property.

So what do you think?

QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 08:07 PM)
It's certainly more than traditional deposit, but I won't disclose.
We transferred to him already. And as for the total disbursement, if Faiz wants to disclose - he will. But like I said, it's more than a traditional deposit already.
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You made me feel that it's your own company disbursement rather than from Allianz. That's why I asked if you can disclose some proof that it's indeed disbursement from Allianz. Because it's very unlikely that Allianz will pay in such circumstances that had been discussed in recent posts.

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 5 2020, 08:26 PM
SUSuamcy
post Feb 5 2020, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 09:19 PM)
I'm sorry I haven't been able to convince you. And this is a forum where it is open for opinion and debate, and I admittedly said deposit has its pros, so is insurance. For further transparency.

Stats:
50th percentile - all claims* taken care by Basic package.
~85th percentile - all claims* can be taken care of with Extended package.
* means the submitted claim vs approved claim = 100% match.

Remaining 2% - Allianz approved less, we pay from our pocket to subsidize when we think it is reasonable for landlord to claim it.

We do what's right and fair, I'm a landlord as well, so I know the pain. And where ever Allianz didn't payout as much as landlord expected but we thought that it warrant assistance we subsidize, most if not all landlords were satisfied with the outcome. And those we subsidise is in excess of 2% sample size stated. So in other words, we will make sure landlord is better protected, and certainly making sure it has a better outcome than taking deposit. 

So you can choose to bombard on our extreme cases, which is super rare. When extreme cases happen to you when you take deposit, I'm absolutely 100% sure without a doubt that you will be better off with insurance. One way or another, Allianz or SPEEDHOME will make it right to you because we are here to protect both landlord and tenant.
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Honestly, your argument is weak. Your wear&tear samples are unreasonable as well.

If a landlord is taking the conventional way of getting 2.5months of deposit, I am sure extreme cases are super rare too and hence insurance is not necessarily needed.

Also, your argument of the figures was not supported by any evidence.
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post Feb 5 2020, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Feb 5 2020, 09:57 PM)
My personal experience.. The deposit will not help if you encounter problematic tenants. There are professional tenants out there. Hopefully when tenant act come in, all these can be weed out.

If refer to extreme scenario for both.
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It depends on what is stated in the contract. Take all the pictures of your whole house. If the damages incurred more than the deposit amount, you can file the case to the court to claim from him. And also viral the case online so no one will rent to him anymore.



SUSuamcy
post Feb 5 2020, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Feb 5 2020, 09:53 PM)
Hehe... perhaps we should appoint an auditor to audit this figure?

I think we will do just that. I'll ask my finance to ask the auditor to do this special audit. I hope by the time we release the report, there won't be comments on "oh this is not from PwC, Deloitte, E&Y...". I'm all ready to prove that.

Like I said, the insurance is certainly better than the 2.5 months deposit. It's not even comparable, only it's furnishing documents that's a little leceh, but as mentioned too, 60% of claims approved within 5 business days. 96% within 15 business days.
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Again no point of mentioning something which cannot be supported by evidence. But it's a fact that wild_card case has not been settled for months. If not because you have lost your argument with me, I doubt that you will immediately bank-in to wild_card for damage control brows.gif I can see through you brows.gif

So coincidence ah Allianz approved the claim yesterday at 4pm? Or you approved yourself? brows.gif
If you can show proof Allianz approved the claim, I will apologize to you here. brows.gif

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 5 2020, 10:24 PM
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post Feb 6 2020, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ Feb 5 2020, 11:45 PM)
Good luck bro. Unless your losses is running to more than rm50k, otherwise it is good money chasing bad money.

But I will applause you for the principle seeking justice.
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The majority of the people are lazy and ignorant of the law. Still, by getting a 2.5months deposit and a good contract, the likelihood that he will damage your property is not high.

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Feb 6 2020, 07:10 AM)
Just to share with u, wear n tear is hard to justify in the event u wanna price it to go thru legal way to make a claim fr ur tenant.

Small amount is oso hardly worth the time n effort to file to court. If the amount is huge tat can reach the 50k bankruptcy threshold then I blif the deposit part is not a small amount to begin with.

Anw there isn't any number given in ur above post so I'm just sharing my experience. Dun mind me as I'm alwiz wrong wan 🤭☺️😉
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No such thing as hard to justify. If the bed frame is broken, it definitely will minus from the deposit. You check everything before signing the contract. Inside the contract have listed down the prices and everything.

Not worth your time and effort then that's your problem, not my problem what. I am telling you the better way of claiming damages from your tenant for extreme cases. If you lazy what to do? It's still better than the CEO giving you all sorts of figures but in fact, never supported by any evidence right?

If you look at Wild card case, he had wasted months on the CEO and finally only received the money for damage control. Somemore have to wait for the adjuster to come and in the meantime, you cannot rent out your house.

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 6 2020, 12:48 PM
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post Feb 6 2020, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Feb 6 2020, 12:57 PM)
simple je bang... u already so in doubt with this service already... just move on with the conventional renting method je... so far i always collect 3 months deposit from my tenants... I'm sure its workable anyway despite what everyone mentioned about the market... its just mean that speedrent is not meant for everybody je... all these arguments with the CEO are not reducing your doubts anyhow... haha
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This service is only good for those rich fags that not depending much on rental income. If you look at their extended plan, it's 1.5 months commission+6%sst and RM10. Since the tenant doesn't need to pay any deposit to the landlord, they can just stay a few months and cabut. Even if you sign 6 months or 1-year contract will not make a difference because they still can cabut.

The commission is counted based on each contract. Let say tenant keeps on cabut and you sign 3 times contract with him, it means one year also you lose 4.5 months of the rental income to him. And not includes the risks of getting damages on your property. Not everyone will have the time like wild card to arguing here for months.

This post has been edited by uamcy: Feb 6 2020, 04:33 PM
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post Feb 6 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Feb 6 2020, 04:10 PM)
Speedrent charge 1.5 multiplier for 6 months stay, this is much too high
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Oh ya, the promo has ended. 1.5 is exorbitant.

 

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