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post Feb 20 2016, 09:43 AM, updated 4y ago

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Link to v1 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/632630
Link to v2 : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1168880
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post Feb 20 2016, 09:46 AM

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Hi to all sifus, I am looking to purchase the SPK160, RX-V679, and possibly NS-SW300. Generally, I was looking around for a good bargain on yamaha systems. Any recommendations?
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post Feb 20 2016, 11:11 AM

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sw300 is not as good as it look
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post Feb 20 2016, 01:19 PM

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V679 is pretty good, yes to that.
Yamaha SPK160 is pretty decent too depending on the price, because there are options that are better than it at a lower price point.

Can't recommend the NS-SW300 (or even the smaller SW200). Very monotonous, there's depth but just doesn't scale well. Always sounding quite disconnected even with Yamaha's own speakers.
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Noted. Usually Yamaha sellers might bundle the V579/V679 with SPK160 at a lower price. So far these are the packages I have seen in Harvey Norman, Senheng, etc or online websites. Where else I might able to find Yamaha re-seller?
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Any comment for Yamaha s 501 or s 701 integrated amp ? Looking for stereo amp pair with Yamaha av receiver, and with by pass function when watching movie.
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post Feb 28 2016, 04:17 PM

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Hi all sifus. I encounter a problem with my receiver RX-V379 and Bluray player BDP-S370.

I can't seem to get the DTS-HD Master signal from my bluray player into my Yamaha receiver. The display on my receiver is always showing PCM.

I had done the necessary setting on my bluray player and tried many different settings but my receiver is always displaying PCM.

Does anyone here encounter the same problem as I do? If so, could you all enlighten me?
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Did you set the player to bitstream ?
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post Feb 28 2016, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Feb 28 2016, 08:43 PM)
Did you set the player to bitstream ?
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yup...make sure it is bitstream and no LPCM or auto mode
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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Feb 28 2016, 08:55 PM)
yup...make sure it is bitstream and no LPCM or auto mode
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Yes. I did the bitstream setting and my receiver displays only Dolby Digital but not DTS-HD. Wonder what's wrong.

My bluray disc has diff audio setting:

1)When i choose Dolby Digital the display will show Dolby Digital

2)When i choose DTS- HD Master audio the display changes to PCM

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post Feb 28 2016, 11:14 PM

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Ur bluray output i assume u hv checked to ensure bitstream right

What player r u using?

Local bluray disc or region A?
Sometimes d local copy got audio track issues
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post Feb 29 2016, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(ehklee @ Feb 28 2016, 10:31 PM)
Yes. I did the bitstream setting and my receiver displays only Dolby Digital but not DTS-HD.  Wonder what's wrong.
My bluray disc has diff audio setting:
1)When i choose Dolby Digital the display will show Dolby Digital
2)When i choose DTS- HD Master audio the display changes to PCM
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u use auto surround decoder?
try straight mode. solve a lot of kind issue
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post Feb 29 2016, 07:23 AM

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Is it every BD you tried had the same problem ?
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post Feb 29 2016, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(hushymushy @ Feb 28 2016, 11:14 PM)
Ur bluray output i assume u hv checked to ensure bitstream right

What player r u using?

Local bluray disc or region A?
Sometimes d local copy got audio track issues
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I bought the Bluray disc from Hong Kong. I assume it's region A?


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u use auto surround decoder?
try straight mode. solve a lot of kind issue
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Yes, I used straight mode. Then while I played the bluray disc, I tried to change the different Audio by pressing the Audio button on my Sony Bluray remote (the selection choices were already mentioned in my previous message).


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Is it every BD you tried had the same problem ?


I have yet to try my other Bluray disc. Will try it tonight.
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Sounds to me like your BDP is decoding the DTS/DD streams and then sending it out as PCM/LPCM to your receiver.
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post Feb 29 2016, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 29 2016, 02:20 PM)
Sounds to me like your BDP is decoding the DTS/DD streams and then sending it out as PCM/LPCM to your receiver.
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I set my surround as Straight. Then when I checked the Signal Info, it is getting the Dolby Digital signal.
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Hi sifus, currently. I'm. Using Yamaha YHT-S401(reveiver model sr-301), I would like to add a pair of speakers to it, mostly for music, any recommendations for speakers below rm800/ pair?
Thanks
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QUOTE(ehklee @ Feb 29 2016, 03:07 PM)
I set my surround as Straight.  Then when I checked the Signal Info,  it is getting the Dolby Digital signal.
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So DD works, but DTS is being decoded into PCM?

Okay, one other question; is the PCM stream in 2.0 or multi-channel LPCM? Because if it's the latter, you actually have nothing to worry about (as long as the multi-channel source is being played properly to the exact speakers).


QUOTE(rocktank @ Mar 2 2016, 11:02 AM)
Hi sifus, currently. I'm. Using Yamaha YHT-S401(reveiver model sr-301), I would like to add a pair of speakers to it, mostly for music, any recommendations for speakers below rm800/ pair?
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Sony SS-CS5, RM699

There's only a handfull of bookshelves available locally that performs as well at this price point.
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Hi guys, I have underutilized 15 years old Yamaha HTR-5230 bought by my dad back in 2001 with McLaren 5 channel speakers . Anyone know how to recabling this thing? It has been in storage room about 5 years already.

EDIT:

Ok, Now I know a little bit about Tag McLaren Audio. It's High-End HiFi Speaker around 1999-2003. Dayumm..

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QUOTE(kayro @ Mar 2 2016, 05:59 PM)
Hi guys, I have underutilized 15 years old Yamaha HTR-5230 bought by my dad back in 2001 with McLaren 5 channel speakers . Anyone know how to recabling this thing? It has been in storage room about 5 years already.

EDIT:

Ok, Now I know a little bit about Tag McLaren Audio. It's High-End HiFi Speaker around 1999-2003. Dayumm..
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put some pic of connction side will guide u better smile.gif

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 2 2016, 05:34 PM)
So DD works, but DTS is being decoded into PCM?

Okay, one other question; is the PCM stream in 2.0 or multi-channel LPCM? Because if it's the latter, you actually have nothing to worry about (as long as the multi-channel source is being played properly to the exact speakers).

How to check this? I'm still a newbie. Sorry for asking too many questions
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QUOTE(ehklee @ Mar 2 2016, 07:31 PM)
How to check this?  I'm still a newbie. Sorry for asking too many questions
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Shouldn't there be an info button or something that shows the basic audio/video formats being played? Check your manual.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 2 2016, 05:34 PM)

Sony SS-CS5, RM699

There's only a handfull of bookshelves available locally that performs as well at this price point.
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Sifu, i also noticed this, but do you know where can i get this?
i browsed Sony Malaysia website and its out of stock sad.gif
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QUOTE(rocktank @ Mar 2 2016, 11:14 PM)
Sifu, i also noticed this, but do you know where can i get this?
i browsed Sony Malaysia website and its out of stock  sad.gif
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Because they ARE out of stock. Has been selling like hot cakes since a few weeks ago.

New stocks should be coming in next week or so, basically by the end of the month.
I shouldn't have advertised them so much.
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post Mar 3 2016, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 3 2016, 12:02 AM)
Because they ARE out of stock. Has been selling like hot cakes since a few weeks ago.

New stocks should be coming in next week or so, basically by the end of the month.
I shouldn't have advertised them so much.
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No wonder la, under promotion sifu, sure become hot cakes lol
Anyway thanks sifu, I will keep on tracking this post for the update :-)
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post Mar 14 2016, 02:46 PM

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Got an A850 for a decent price as a secondary receiver for my secondary small bedroom setup, pairing it up with a SVS 5.1 Prime Satellites.

Did some half-assed YPAO without proper mic placement, only single point measurement instead of multi (didn't have time) and no bass traps put up yet. Pretty impressed with the result.

Hopefully have some time this week to tweak and optimize things more, but so far the A850 with the Prime Sats is pretty good combination.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 14 2016, 02:46 PM)
Got an A850 for a decent price as a secondary receiver for my secondary small bedroom setup, pairing it up with a SVS 5.1 Prime Satellites.

Did some half-assed YPAO without proper mic placement, only single point measurement instead of multi (didn't have time) and no bass traps put up yet. Pretty impressed with the result.

Hopefully have some time this week to tweak and optimize things more, but so far the A850 with the Prime Sats is pretty good combination.
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congrats on new machine. a850 has atmos
can post some pics smile.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 14 2016, 03:58 PM)
congrats on new machine. a850 has atmos
can post some pics smile.gif
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Yeah just waiting for currency to get better or when KLIAV 2016 comes around, then get the bookshelves + another SB1000. Will be doing a 5.2.2 setup for the secondary bedroom.

Will post pics later once the whole room is set up properly, it's quite incomplete now that I also malu to show it off.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 14 2016, 04:50 PM)
Yeah just waiting for currency to get better or when KLIAV 2016 comes around, then get the bookshelves + another SB1000. Will be doing a 5.2.2 setup for the secondary bedroom.

Will post pics later once the whole room is set up properly, it's quite incomplete now that I also malu to show it off.
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Congrats. You use Yamaha for main system as well ?
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 14 2016, 06:36 PM)
Congrats. You use Yamaha for main system as well ?
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Main system is an A2040 with KEF Q series setup (4xQ100 + Q200 + SVS PB1000), looking to change it for an Arcam 850. Too bad it costs more than a kidney and liver added together.

Then again, I'm also looking forward to this year's Yamaha flagship A3060 (presumably) which will definitely be cheaper than the Arcam 850, though not as good.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 14 2016, 06:54 PM)
Main system is an A2040 with KEF Q series setup (4xQ100 + Q200 + SVS PB1000), looking to change it for an Arcam 850. Too bad it costs more than a kidney and liver added together.

Then again, I'm also looking forward to this year's Yamaha flagship A3060 (presumably) which will definitely be cheaper than the Arcam 850, though not as good.
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Why you say that arcam is better ? What is the price for arcam?
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 14 2016, 07:14 PM)
Why you say that arcam is better ? What is the price for arcam?
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Many reasons, but the most obvious ones are:

1) Arcam doesn't cheap out on components, it's quality through and through.
2) They do very little of that bs overated power per channel nonsense like rating them at 10% THD or some so called "JEITA" spec.
3) Full fat, no-nonsense Dirac Live which blows the crap out of YPAO RSC with 3D angle management and Audyssey XT32. It's the next best thing to a manual tweak via miniDSP.

Price I was quoted is about 28k, thanks to ah jib.

That said, I still like Yamaha. I think they're the best balance in terms of price-performance-reliability. That's why I still wouldn't mind having my main system using a Yamaha flagship, even if I know I'd prefer the Arcam.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 14 2016, 07:39 PM)
Many reasons, but the most obvious ones are:

1) Arcam doesn't cheap out on components, it's quality through and through.
2) They do very little of that bs overated power per channel nonsense like rating them at 10% THD or some so called "JEITA" spec.
3) Full fat, no-nonsense Dirac Live which blows the crap out of YPAO RSC with 3D angle management and Audyssey XT32. It's the next best thing to a manual tweak via miniDSP.

Price I was quoted is about 28k, thanks to ah jib.

That said, I still like Yamaha. I think they're the best balance in terms of price-performance-reliability. That's why I still wouldn't mind having my main system using a Yamaha flagship, even if I know I'd prefer the Arcam.
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Yes Yamaha definitely is price per performance. I totally don't think is worth the money for the arcam. Seriously I think Arcam is good for audio but when come to HT, I don't feel the same
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I thought anything that is good for audio should be good for HT. However, not the other way round.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 15 2016, 09:00 AM)
I thought anything that is good for audio should be good for HT. However, not the other way round.
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Not exactly. The way the hardware is design and build for different purposes can be good only in 1 thing but not the other
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Hmmm... to me, anything that is good for music is good for movies/games.

TBH though, different receivers sound different because they use different room EQs and measurements. This is the most significant difference between them.

If you put 2 receivers from say Yamaha and Marantz side by side, set them in pure direct, the difference in sound quality is rather subtle. It's there definitely, but not significant enough to draw out a wide conclusion on which is better. After all, better on paper does not mean better to the ears, that's audio.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 15 2016, 09:00 AM)
I thought anything that is good for audio should be good for HT. However, not the other way round.
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amp that tuned to slow trancient speed cannot fit ht action movie right.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 15 2016, 04:49 PM)
Hmmm... to me, anything that is good for music is good for movies/games.

TBH though, different receivers sound different because they use different room EQs and measurements. This is the most significant difference between them.

If you put 2 receivers from say Yamaha and Marantz side by side, set them in pure direct, the difference in sound quality is rather subtle. It's there definitely, but not significant enough to draw out a wide conclusion on which is better. After all, better on paper does not mean better to the ears, that's audio.
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I found out that today avrs makes subtle differences when compared to some stereo int amps.

However, the significant could be found when compared to pre and power setup, especially the dynamics.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 15 2016, 05:14 PM)
amp that tuned to slow trancient speed cannot fit ht action movie right.
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I believe almost most amp tuned to cater high dynamic transient, the problem is the amp couldn't respond fast enough to those transient.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 14 2016, 06:54 PM)
Main system is an A2040 with KEF Q series setup (4xQ100 + Q200 + SVS PB1000), looking to change it for an Arcam 850. Too bad it costs more than a kidney and liver added together.

Then again, I'm also looking forward to this year's Yamaha flagship A3060 (presumably) which will definitely be cheaper than the Arcam 850, though not as good.
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Have you considered EMotiva XMC-1?
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i am new to receivers.

I am planning to get 1 unit of A850 at RM 3700. will use it to drive a pair of Dynaudio Focus 140. not sure if A850 has enough juice to drive this 4ohm 86dB speakers.

was considering A1050 if not for the price difference. after will use it mostly for stereo plus mid for movies, with future upgrade to satellites.

also considering V479 but reasearch shows A850 adventage uses better components rite and newer.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 15 2016, 09:40 PM)
Have you considered EMotiva XMC-1?
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I have actually and they're a good candidate as a pre/pro. Of course that means I'll be needing more than a single XPA-5 to complete an Atmos/DTSX setup. It's all about price at the end though.

I'm sure a Yamaha 3060 + Emotiva XPA5 (or 3) would be cheaper than a pre/pro + multi-amp setup, yet the sound quality difference wouldn't be significant. Different in signature yes.


QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 16 2016, 02:00 PM)
i am new to receivers.

I am planning to get 1 unit of A850 at RM 3700. will use it to drive a pair of Dynaudio Focus 140. not sure if A850 has enough juice to drive this 4ohm 86dB speakers.

was considering A1050 if not for the price difference. after will use it mostly for stereo plus mid for movies, with future upgrade to satellites.

also considering V479 but reasearch shows A850 adventage uses better components rite and newer.
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Should be adequate. If you were going to do pure stereo, wouldn't have suggest a receiver. Better to go for an integrated amp instead, but since your plan is to go surround then yeah, the A850 fits the bill as long as you understand that DTSX would not be an inclusion.

If you don't have enough power in the future, you can always get an extra amp for your fronts since the A850 has pre-outs.

The A550, 579, 479 and 379 shares the same power supply (360w IINM).
The 679, 779, A750 and A850 shares near identical power supply, with the A850 only having a 400w IINM.

Despite being called an Aventage, the A750 and A850 does not share many of the components found on the A1050, 2050 and 3050. The A850 is basically the top of the line no corners cut (interms of design within the category) for the mid-range market, everything else below it is trickled down with components and features.

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 16 2016, 02:00 PM)
i am new to receivers.
I am planning to get 1 unit of A850 at RM 3700. will use it to drive a pair of Dynaudio Focus 140. not sure if A850 has enough juice to drive this 4ohm 86dB speakers.
was considering A1050 if not for the price difference. after will use it mostly for stereo plus mid for movies, with future upgrade to satellites.
also considering V479 but reasearch shows A850 adventage uses better components rite and newer.
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that would depend u run as large (no crossover to subwoofer) or small (filter out bass to subwoofer).
large setting may require u enable biamp mode to fully push without affect the tweeter performance
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A3060 is out already?

Any price cut for A3040?
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 16 2016, 05:33 PM)
A3060 is out already?

Any price cut for A3040?
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Don't think there is A3060 yet. Current is still A3050
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 16 2016, 06:05 PM)
Don't think there is A3060 yet. Current is still A3050
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Hahaha... hope xx60 come out fast, so we can enjoy price cut on old models, especially at the AV show.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 16 2016, 06:09 PM)
Hahaha... hope xx60 come out fast, so we can enjoy price cut on old models, especially at the AV show.
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Yamaha had increase price about 20% for all models since last year end. Even the new model come out the price will be high
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 16 2016, 06:12 PM)
Yamaha had increase price about 20% for all models since last year end. Even the new model come out the price will be high
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 16 2016, 04:42 PM)
that would depend u run as large (no crossover to subwoofer) or small (filter out bass to subwoofer).
large setting may require u enable biamp mode to fully push without affect the tweeter performance
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mistake. A850 is RM 3450.

how to biamp ? need 2 units of A850 ?
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 16 2016, 06:41 PM)
mistake. A850 is RM 3450.

how to biamp ? need 2 units of A850 ?
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Yes
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Mar 16 2016, 06:19 PM)
Thank you Ah jib kor.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 16 2016, 06:41 PM)
mistake. A850 is RM 3450.

how to biamp ? need 2 units of A850 ?
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Are you sure RM3450? That was last year's price, this year is already RM36xx.

Just use the presence speakers output + front out into the speakers. You can't run 2 A850s side by side into a pair of speakers.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Mar 16 2016, 06:41 PM)
mistake. A850 is RM 3450.
how to biamp ? need 2 units of A850 ?
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its a function to assign unused speaker terminal.
so that tweeter has own amp, big cone has own amp independantly.
u need to remove the jumper link from speaker side, run extra 2 cable.
im using this method

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 16 2016, 09:32 PM)
Are you sure RM3450? That was last year's price, this year is already RM36xx.
Just use the presence speakers output + front out into the speakers. You can't run 2 A850s side by side into a pair of speakers.
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Too bad the Dynaudio is single speaker terminal.

I wonder how good is music cast speakers. is it able to keep up with long range and no lag ? is it reliable ?

does anyone use music cast for atmos ? if musicast requires power cable, might as well run speaker cables ?
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 16 2016, 10:40 PM)
its a  function to assign unused speaker terminal.
so that tweeter has own amp, big cone has own amp independantly.
u need to remove the jumper link from speaker side, run extra 2 cable.
im using this method
thank you sifu for pointing out the actual step thumbsup.gif
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Going to be doing some proper YPAO measurements today. Will compare it with manual tweaking consisting of REW + UMIK1 + Radioshack SPL Meter + Time tongue.gif


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Noted. Usually Yamaha sellers might bundle the V579/V679 with SPK160 at a lower price. So far these are the packages I have seen in Harvey Norman, Senheng, etc or online websites. Where else I might able to find Yamaha re-seller?
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For spk160 you can try vbiz.com if you can self-collect, otherwise the transport cost will significant. They sell a range of yamaha products. Just remember that the prices shown is before gst. Prices have gone up since I bought from them at RM2109.40 inc. gst.
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I wonder how much can my yamaha A2040 avr sell at present moment age around 1years+.tq
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Around 4-5k+ shouldn't be a problem?
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somebody using yamaha emx200vcd?
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anyone using as801? i know it's not avr but integrated stereo, but any sifus with experience with them?
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anyone using as801? i know it's not avr but integrated stereo, but any sifus with experience with them?
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Yamaha Announces New RXV81 Series:
http://www.ce-pro.eu/article/yamaha-launch...e-cinema-market

tldr; Atmos and DTS:X support on V581 series and up. That's pretty much the only major "improvement" over last year's models.
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Yamaha Announces New RXV81 Series:
http://www.ce-pro.eu/article/yamaha-launch...e-cinema-market

tldr; Atmos and DTS:X support on V581 series and up. That's pretty much the only major "improvement" over last year's models.
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next is wait aventage
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next is wait aventage
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Yeah well before all of that... they need to effin' release the the firmware update for the current models already. They said early March, now end of March. Bunyi pun tak ada. doh.gif


...AND it's up.

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Well just a quick update.
I don't have an A1050, A2050 or A3050. But the good news from those that I know who has either of them is that after the 1.77 update, their receivers can still choose DSU or DTS Neural X to up mix EITHER legacy Dolby or DTS formats.

This is quite a deal actually because Denon nor Marantz after their DTSX update were locked out of using their upmix mode of choice. So a DTS track can only use Neural X and not DSU, vice versa.

Great job Yamaha. This is why they're awesome.
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...AND it's up.
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I hav got the Yamaha A850 from CMY, including free delivery, setup and explanation PM me if u need contact.

got the airplay, internet radio and server working as my unit connected to synology music and movie server. it is smooth like a breeze.

on internet radio, I notice the malaysia station is lacking those popular channel like BFM or LITE. can I use Vtuner to add in the station or I just stick with whatever Yamaha put in the internet radio list ?

sound wise its ok the components use justify its price. if given a choice, I would go for A2050 and up.

can Anyone also share if they use music cast speakers ?
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anyone know what is the warranty period for yamaha RX-V model in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 1 2016, 08:09 AM)
I hav got the Yamaha A850 from CMY, including free delivery, setup and explanation PM me if u need contact.

got the airplay, internet radio and server working as my unit connected to synology music and movie server. it is smooth like a breeze.

on internet radio, I notice the malaysia station is lacking those popular channel like BFM or LITE. can I use Vtuner to add in the station or I just stick with whatever Yamaha put in the internet radio list ?

sound wise its ok the components use justify its price. if given a choice, I would go for A2050 and up.

can Anyone also share if they use music cast speakers ?
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Not sure about radio features, I haven't listened to radio in ages...

I tried Music cast with a Yamaha soundbar not too long ago, works as intended. Nifty feature if you need it.


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anyone know what is the warranty period for yamaha RX-V model in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 1 2016, 01:38 PM)
Not sure about radio features, I haven't listened to radio in ages...

I tried Music cast with a Yamaha soundbar not too long ago, works as intended. Nifty feature if you need it.
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Thanks mate, cause i checked and RX-V in US comes with 2 years warranty. Another thing is if you just got your AVR, you can register with yamaha malaysia within 60days to get additional 6 months warranty.

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QUOTE(silentsunami @ Apr 1 2016, 02:17 PM)
Thanks mate, cause i checked and RX-V in US comes with 2 years warranty. Another thing is if you just got your AVR, you can register with yamaha malaysia within 60days to get additional 6 months warranty.
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They have models that Malaysia don't have (RXV779 and RXA550 for example).
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I'm still playing with YPAO setting for my RXV679, one question here, you all let YPAO handle all EQ or using manual mode?
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I'm still playing with YPAO setting for my RXV679, one question here, you all let YPAO handle all EQ or using manual mode?
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I use YPAO as the base, then copy the filters to REW and go from there.

Important thing to note; your version of YPAO only has ONE-point measurement. So make absolutely sure your measuring methods are near perfect. Use a tripod for the mic, place it at ear height on your couch, but about 25cm away from the couch back to minimize reflection.

Then always double check results. Bass management is very important, so make sure everything is in order. Distance (delay) is usually correct, your sub may be adjusted farther away than it actually is but that's because the receiver has to take into account of the internal filters on the sub.
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aventege : has anyone flashed to the new firmeware 1.77. is it stable and will the radio station go away ?
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aventege : has anyone flashed to the new firmeware 1.77. is it stable and will the radio station go away ?
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Zero problems here with 1.77. I don't use the radio station, but testing it out everything works just as before.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 1 2016, 11:27 PM)
I use YPAO as the base, then copy the filters to REW and go from there.

Important thing to note; your version of YPAO only has ONE-point measurement. So make absolutely sure your measuring methods are near perfect. Use a tripod for the mic, place it at ear height on your couch, but about 25cm away from the couch back to minimize reflection.

Then always double check results. Bass management is very important, so make sure everything is in order. Distance (delay) is usually correct, your sub may be adjusted farther away than it actually is but that's because the receiver has to take into account of the internal filters on the sub.
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Sorry noob question here, how to you copy the REW file and which software u use to edit?

Another question, if i manually edit the distance, YPAO will take the manual edit distance or the one generated by YPAO? thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(silentsunami @ Apr 11 2016, 05:43 PM)
Sorry noob question here, how to you copy the REW file and which software u use to edit?

Another question, if i manually edit the distance, YPAO will take the manual edit distance or the one generated by YPAO? thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Quite long to explain, so check these 2 guides:
https://simplehomecinema.com/2014/10/09/yam...advanced-topic/
https://simplehomecinema.com/2014/11/14/yam...advanced-topic/


If you edit the distance after you did YPAO, then the receiver will just follow the edited distance. If you measured the distance before doing YPAO, then YPAO will correct it to what it thinks is correct.
Either way, the distance setting is actually "delays". Having an exact distance from your tape measure to your MLP is not always the best because you will have to account for internal filters, especially more so for the subs. YPAO takes these internal filters from your speakers and subs, then calculate the delays.

Of course if YPAO gives you something stupid like your center channel being 20 feet away when the actual distance is only 10 feet, then you know something is wrong. But if it's within the distance of 1-2 feet from your tape measure, I generally suggest to stick with the YPAO calculation instead.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 11 2016, 05:54 PM)
Quite long to explain, so check these 2 guides:
https://simplehomecinema.com/2014/10/09/yam...advanced-topic/
https://simplehomecinema.com/2014/11/14/yam...advanced-topic/
If you edit the distance after you did YPAO, then the receiver will just follow the edited distance. If you measured the distance before doing YPAO, then YPAO will correct it to what it thinks is correct.
Either way, the distance setting is actually "delays". Having an exact distance from your tape measure to your MLP is not always the best because you will have to account for internal filters, especially more so for the subs. YPAO takes these internal filters from your speakers and subs, then calculate the delays.

Of course if YPAO gives you something stupid like your center channel being 20 feet away when the actual distance is only 10 feet, then you know something is wrong. But if it's within the distance of 1-2 feet from your tape measure, I generally suggest to stick with the YPAO calculation instead.
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Going to be doing some proper YPAO measurements today. Will compare it with manual tweaking consisting of REW + UMIK1 + Radioshack SPL Meter + Time tongue.gif
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Sorry to disturb you again, can share where you get the UMIK-1 and Radioshack SPL meter? confused.gif confused.gif
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Sorry to disturb you again, can share where you get the UMIK-1 and Radioshack SPL meter?  confused.gif  confused.gif
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Radioshack SPL meter just go radioshack and buy.
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I am having some problem with my RXV 475.

I was using it with my HTPC to watch Netflix, Hulu and other downloaded media and the HTPC connects to the AVR and the AVR to the TV.

Previously, if i didn't turn on the AVR, i still can get stereo sound from the TV.

One day, something happened and i cannot get any signal to my TV, hence, i proceed to flash the RXV 475 to the latest firmware.

Problem was fixed and now i get back my picture and sound. However, if i turn off the AVR, there is no sound on the TV anymore (it doesn't passthrough).

Any help??

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Apr 13 2016, 03:26 PM)
I am having some problem with my RXV 475.

I was using it with my HTPC to watch Netflix, Hulu and other downloaded media and the HTPC connects to the AVR and the AVR to the TV.

Previously, if i didn't turn on the AVR, i still can get stereo sound from the TV.

One day, something happened and i cannot get any signal to my TV, hence, i proceed to flash the RXV 475 to the latest firmware.

Problem was fixed and now i get back my picture and sound. However, if i turn off the AVR, there is no sound on the TV anymore (it doesn't passthrough).

Any help??

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probably after flash with new firmware all setting is back to default,u need to configure hdmi passthrough again hmm.gif
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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:51 PM)
probably after flash with new firmware all setting is back to default,u need to configure hdmi passthrough again hmm.gif
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Hmm..i think you're right...i browse the manual again, it seem if the HDMI Control is turn "ON", the standby passthrough will be disabled, which is probably why i didn't notice this option earliar. Tonight i go back test and report back. Thanks!
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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Apr 13 2016, 03:51 PM)
probably after flash with new firmware all setting is back to default,u need to configure hdmi passthrough again hmm.gif
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Tested yesterday..no use, still the same, it's already have the STANBY PASSTHROUGH set to "ON". I have also turned off the "HDMI CONTROL" just to be sure....cry.gif
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Tested yesterday..no use, still the same, it's already have the STANBY PASSTHROUGH set to "ON". I have also turned off the "HDMI CONTROL" just to be sure....cry.gif
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 14 2016, 08:01 PM)
Time to send to Yamaha
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Where is Yamaha SC? Is it at Kelana Jaya?
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Where is Yamaha SC? Is it at Kelana Jaya?
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PROBLEM SOLVED. doh.gif

Apparently it has nothing to do with the YAMAHA....

My TV has this option "TV AUDIO INPUT", there's 2 options "HDMI/PC RGB7". I thought it was "HDMI" since it's connected to HDMI port 1. But apparently, HDMI port 1 is also linked to the VGA input, hence the correct option is "PC RGB7".

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I just rerun YPAO and in YPAO:FLAT setting, the frequency curve for Front left and right speaker are not in sync, aren't both Front speakers frequency curve supposed to be the same?

L Front band #1 is frequency 78.7hz and Gain +4.5dB, band #2 is 198.4hz and Gain +2.0. R Front band #1 62.5hz and Gain -3.0db, band #2 is at 125hz and Gain +3.0db

I'm just curious as my surround speakers frequency curve are quite similar, any sifu can help here? Should I be bother by this as the frequency <200hz is very much different for this two front speakers


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No it should not be in sync because you're not in a perfect symetrical or asymetrical room.
When you see frequency charts by manufacturers, they are measured in an anechoic chamber, not in a you know... practical room. So getting different measurements is absolutely normal.

Your graphs don't seem too bad, there aren't very huge 'hills' or 'valleys'. The whole band looks pretty gradual except for the roll off at the 200hz area. Should you be bothered? Well, ask your ears if it the EQ sounds bad or not first.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 17 2016, 03:36 AM)
No it should not be in sync because you're not in a perfect symetrical or asymetrical room.
When you see frequency charts by manufacturers, they are measured in an anechoic chamber, not in a you know... practical room. So getting different measurements is absolutely normal.

Your graphs don't seem too bad, there aren't very huge 'hills' or 'valleys'. The whole band looks pretty gradual except for the roll off at the 200hz area. Should you be bothered? Well, ask your ears if it the EQ sounds bad or not first.
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Great to hear that. I think for my beginner ear, it sound great...kekeke
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Hi guys, i have a unit of RX-V379 still remain unopen and im wondering which speaker i should match with. Can give me some advice?

i wondering is NS-P20 okay? or any other? although i have it remain unopen now.

my living room size about 6.4m x 4.5m and connecting to open area dining area about 3m x 3m. i guess it is big but i just sit on the sofa infront of my tv cabinet which shud be like 3m to 4m away from my TV and Speaker. please advise. thank you.

budget for speaker maybe below RM700, is it too low? i dunno which worth the value.

purpose shud be movies and some music. maybe gaming too by connecting laptop and using wireless keyboard and mouse.
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QUOTE(stanleyh86 @ Apr 19 2016, 12:35 PM)
Hi guys, i have a unit of RX-V379 still remain unopen and im wondering which speaker i should match with. Can give me some advice?

i wondering is NS-P20 okay? or any other? although i have it remain unopen now.

my living room size about 6.4m x 4.5m and connecting to open area dining area about 3m x 3m. i guess it is big but i just sit on the sofa infront of my tv cabinet which shud be like 3m to 4m away from my TV and Speaker. please advise. thank you.

budget for speaker maybe below RM700, is it too low? i dunno which worth the value.

purpose shud be movies and some music. maybe gaming too by connecting laptop and using wireless keyboard and mouse.
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If you absolutely need to go for a full set of budget speakers, then at the very least go for the NSP40. The P20 is very tinny sounding, even if your seating distance is only 3m.

RM700 is a bit too low for a decent quality 5.1 setup.
Why not just get a pair of speakers and do stereo first? Add more when you have a bigger budget. I've been recommending the Sony SSCS3 for a while now and I think they're still an extremely good price-performance floorstanders. A pair would cost RM1.2k, so if you can stretch that RM700 budget towards that, I absolutely recommend you do so.

Then in the future, get the center channel (CS8) and get a sub. A 3.1 setup is already pretty compelling as long as you have a decent set of front LCR speakers. ONLY then, you start to look at your other options.

A full set of NSP20 will sound like shit in comparison to a pair of Sony SSCS3 without a sub btw.
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Great to hear that.  I think for my beginner ear,  it sound great...kekeke
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it sounds more wide if front pair are match eq. i run pioneer mcacc symmetry mode to obtain the avg between left--right.

not good enough to beat audyssey multi seat calibration.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 20 2016, 03:30 AM)
If you absolutely need to go for a full set of budget speakers, then at the very least go for the NSP40. The P20 is very tinny sounding, even if your seating distance is only 3m.

RM700 is a bit too low for a decent quality 5.1 setup.
Why not just get a pair of speakers and do stereo first? Add more when you have a bigger budget. I've been recommending the Sony SSCS3 for a while now and I think they're still an extremely good price-performance floorstanders. A pair would cost RM1.2k, so if you can stretch that RM700 budget towards that, I absolutely recommend you do so.

Then in the future, get the center channel (CS8) and get a sub. A 3.1 setup is already pretty compelling as long as you have a decent set of front LCR speakers. ONLY then, you start to look at your other options.

A full set of NSP20 will sound like shit in comparison to a pair of Sony SSCS3 without a sub btw.
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Hi, thanks for your advise, appreciate that however now that i ady have the NS-P20 with me which still remain unopen like i said before. so if i really go for sony sscs3 then i have to sell this ns-p20. wad kind of price i can sell, it is totally new still in the box.

the thing is i still wish to get 5.1 which left right front speaker and back two surround + 1 subwoofer. If RM700 is too low but RM1200 only allow to get 2 floorstanders then how much i have to pay for a 5.1 speaker and match with RX-V379?


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QUOTE(stanleyh86 @ Apr 20 2016, 09:21 PM)
Hi, thanks for your advise, appreciate that however now that i ady have the NS-P20 with me which still remain unopen like i said before. so if i really go for sony sscs3 then i have to sell this ns-p20. wad kind of price i can sell, it is totally new still in the box.

the thing is i still wish to get 5.1 which left right front speaker and back two surround + 1 subwoofer. If RM700 is too low but RM1200 only allow to get 2 floorstanders then how much i have to pay for a 5.1 speaker and match with RX-V379?
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Not sure how much you'd be able to sell it. RM600 maybe? I don't really know.

I know you have a pretty decent space to setup a 5.1 system, but are you sure there aren't any boundaries to the SL/SR positions?
All these speaker matching with AVR talks is quite dumb to be very honest with you. What? Are they physical organic creatures that needs to mate with one another or something? If a pair of speakers is deemed "warm", does that mean one have to find an AVR that is not equally "warm" then? It's stupid audiophile talk. What matters is power, reliability, features and price.

You can use your NSP20 to get a 5.1 and you don't have to spend another dime than what you already have (okay maybe some cables and a pair of stands perhaps). It all depends on how picky you are with sound, how much better you want. For me personally, RM7-10k is about just enough for a decent 5.1 setup. So it varies from person to person.

My suggestion remains; get the best Left + Right + Center speakers you can get first, then get a competent sub (not a toy sub), THEN decide on the surround speakers.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 20 2016, 10:28 PM)
Not sure how much you'd be able to sell it. RM600 maybe? I don't really know.

I know you have a pretty decent space to setup a 5.1 system, but are you sure there aren't any boundaries to the SL/SR positions?
All these speaker matching with AVR talks is quite dumb to be very honest with you. What? Are they physical organic creatures that needs to mate with one another or something? If a pair of speakers is deemed "warm", does that mean one have to find an AVR that is not equally "warm" then? It's stupid audiophile talk. What matters is power, reliability, features and price.

You can use your NSP20 to get a 5.1 and you don't have to spend another dime than what you already have (okay maybe some cables and a pair of stands perhaps). It all depends on how picky you are with sound, how much better you want. For me personally, RM7-10k is about just enough for a decent 5.1 setup. So it varies from person to person.

My suggestion remains; get the best Left + Right + Center speakers you can get first, then get a competent sub (not a toy sub), THEN decide on the surround speakers.
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im trying to read some information about it few days ago from some of the website, below showing those i read:-

Power handling: An often misunderstood specification. Measured in watts, it is best represented by RMS (root means square.) This figure tells us how much power the speaker can comfortably handle for a sustained period of time. Also referred to as continuous, or nominal power.

Some speakers only list a peak power rating. This can be measured in many different ways. It’s essentially a rating for the mechanical limitations of the speaker, and often represents how much power a speaker can take before it produces audible distortion. Depending on the type of signal being played back, the speaker may reach its mechanical limits at well below its rated power - for example, bass-heavy movie soundtracks and extremely high frequencies will challenge a speakers mechanical ability. For this reason, power handling doesn’t necessarily translate as a speakers ability to produce sound as many would have you believe.

PMPO (peak music power output) is essentially the measure of the speaker operating at or near its absolute limits on the verge of serious damage. It is not a useful rating, and easy for manufacturers to inflate - so avoid it completely.

Often speakers will simply say "power handling" and a number measured in watts - this may mean peak or continuous. If you’re ever unsure, ask the manufacturer/sales person the question.

When power matching speakers to an amp, a good rule of thumb is to power them with a little more juice than they’re designed to handle - around 10% should do it. That way the amp doesn’t have to work as hard to drive the speakers to their full capacity, resulting in cleaner, more dynamic sound. Speakers are designed to handle fluctuations in power levels, so this extra bit of juice won’t cause any issues.

From this webiste:-http://www.gizmag.com/how-to-choose-the-right-speakers-for-your-amplifier-or-av-receiver/9737/


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QUOTE(stanleyh86 @ Apr 20 2016, 09:21 PM)
Hi, thanks for your advise, appreciate that however now that i ady have the NS-P20 with me which still remain unopen like i said before. so if i really go for sony sscs3 then i have to sell this ns-p20. wad kind of price i can sell, it is totally new still in the box.

the thing is i still wish to get 5.1 which left right front speaker and back two surround + 1 subwoofer. If RM700 is too low but RM1200 only allow to get 2 floorstanders then how much i have to pay for a 5.1 speaker and match with RX-V379?
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you may consider this 5.1 Jamo home theater set RM1450 below. you can do 0% installment as well and you don't need to folk out a big sum at one time for it. As for subwoofer you can do the same, some bigger audio shop do offer 0% instalment. Initially I also on the same path like you, looking for budget 5.1 speaker and finally I bought an onkyo 5.1 satellite speaker set to match with my entry level Yamaha avr. It sounded good initially without comparing but eventually I found that the sound quality wasn't really good at all like poor dialogues and sound effects on movies. My advise would be just sell off your NS-P20 and get a better 5.1 speakers preferably floorstand if budget allow.

http://www.senheng.com.my/in-love-with-pin...o-s426hcs3.html

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QUOTE(stilo10 @ Apr 20 2016, 11:47 PM)
you may consider this 5.1 Jamo home theater set RM1450 below. you can do 0% installment as well and you don't need to folk out a big sum at one time for it. As for subwoofer you can do the same, some bigger audio shop do offer 0% instalment. Initially I also on the same path like you, looking for budget 5.1 speaker and finally I bought an onkyo 5.1 satellite speaker set to match with my entry level Yamaha avr. It sounded good initially without comparing but eventually I found that the sound quality wasn't really good at all like poor dialogues and sound effects on movies. My advise would be just sell off your NS-P20 and get a better 5.1 speakers preferably floorstand if budget allow.

http://www.senheng.com.my/in-love-with-pin...o-s426hcs3.html
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after u all advise, i think temporary i cant squeeze sommore money out to buy that. maybe i tried the NS-P20 and if really not good then only i think about it to change. because if i get RM1450 without subwoofer means i need to buy the woofer. didnt have so much budget to play this thing now. bangwall.gif bangwall.gif

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Well if anything, you can always use the NSP20's L/R and SL/SR as front height presence and/or rear height presence in the future when you get a more comprehensive setup.
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QUOTE(stilo10 @ Apr 20 2016, 11:47 PM)
preferably floorstand if budget allow.
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this is misleading.

QUOTE(stanleyh86 @ Apr 21 2016, 10:14 AM)
after u all advise, i think temporary i cant squeeze sommore money out to buy that. maybe i tried the NS-P20 and if really not good then only i think about it to change. because if i get RM1450 without subwoofer means i need to buy the woofer. didnt have so much budget to play this thing now.  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif

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this is misleading.
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It's like saying a car is faster than a motorcycle, which is not true without knowing what models we're comparing. A monitor or bookshelf can beat a floorstander too.

Just listen to your speaker. If you like it, then stop chasing. If you wanna go down the rabbit hole, go ahead. You'll end with endless upgrade until you buy the best, which will cost a lot money.
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QUOTE(stanleyh86 @ Apr 21 2016, 10:14 AM)
after u all advise, i think temporary i cant squeeze sommore money out to buy that. maybe i tried the NS-P20 and if really not good then only i think about it to change. because if i get RM1450 without subwoofer means i need to buy the woofer. didnt have so much budget to play this thing now.  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif

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im trying to read some information about it few days ago from some of the website, below showing those i read:-
Power handling: An often misunderstood specification. Measured in watts, it is best represented by RMS (root means square.) This figure tells us how much power the speaker can comfortably handle for a sustained period of time. Also referred to as continuous, or nominal power.
Some speakers only list a peak power rating. This can be measured in many different ways. It’s essentially a rating for the mechanical limitations of the speaker, and often represents how much power a speaker can take before it produces audible distortion. Depending on the type of signal being played back, the speaker may reach its mechanical limits at well below its rated power - for example, bass-heavy movie soundtracks and extremely high frequencies will challenge a speakers mechanical ability. For this reason, power handling doesn’t necessarily translate as a speakers ability to produce sound as many would have you believe.
PMPO (peak music power output) is essentially the measure of the speaker operating at or near its absolute limits on the verge of serious damage. It is not a useful rating, and easy for manufacturers to inflate - so avoid it completely.
Often speakers will simply say "power handling" and a number measured in watts - this may mean peak or continuous. If you’re ever unsure, ask the manufacturer/sales person the question.
When power matching speakers to an amp, a good rule of thumb is to power them with a little more juice than they’re designed to handle - around 10% should do it. That way the amp doesn’t have to work as hard to drive the speakers to their full capacity, resulting in cleaner, more dynamic sound. Speakers are designed to handle fluctuations in power levels, so this extra bit of juice won’t cause any issues.
From this webiste:-http://www.gizmag.com/how-to-choose-the-right-speakers-for-your-amplifier-or-av-receiver/9737/
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u can read about at class a, class ab, class d & etc if u like complex stuffs.
pmpo?? i dont even... nvm sleep.gif

av receiver has 1 big transformer shared among the components. the more channels you run, the sooner distortion limit will reach.
so dont believe in 100w x 7.2 channels unless it is very expensive one.

i never read watt spec behind speaker unit because i know any amp can push it. just low ohm to worry its possible make amp over heat.
driver size, port, sound signature are more important than watt value

high watt amplifier give u the volume flexibility and headroom to play speaker unit before distort happen.
QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 22 2016, 01:57 AM)
this is misleading.
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is exactly the mistake i did long ago blush.gif
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I'm using pioneer AJ series speakers, quite decent for the price I have paid.
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I never ever mentioned that a floorstanders are better than a bookshelf! Actually, I was guided by some of the pros to use floorstanders for movies. So I went auditioned for the same series of bookshelf and floorstander speakers, I do indeed noticed that the soundstage was much wider by using floorstanders. Reviews and opinions are just guidelines, go for audition and judge by your own ears and if any speaker type sounded good to you, then just stick with it. I've tried using satellite, bookshelf and floorstander speakers by using the same avr and my personal preference would be floorstanders for movies.

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Which is better to have if I were to start 2 floor standing speaker (jbl arena 180 or sony ssc3) in a small room?
Yamaha A-S301 or RX-V479?

Listening to 95% music (ALAC file from my iphone) I have apple tv...

Home theatre sound is not important to me... But its ok to have... High quality audio for music is very important to me...

Advice please. Thank you
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QUOTE(Masculine @ Apr 24 2016, 08:46 AM)
Which is better to have if I were to start 2 floor standing speaker (jbl arena 180 or sony ssc3) in a small room?
Yamaha A-S301 or RX-V479?

Listening to 95% music (ALAC file from my iphone) I have apple tv...

Home theatre sound is not important to me... But its ok to have... High quality audio for music is very important to me...

Advice please.  Thank you
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Since you mainly for music than should get int amp and not avr
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Since you mainly for music than should get int amp and not avr
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QUOTE(stilo10 @ Apr 23 2016, 03:31 PM)
I never ever mentioned that a floorstanders are better than a bookshelf! Actually, I was guided by some of the pros to use floorstanders for movies. So I went auditioned for the same series of bookshelf and floorstander speakers, I do indeed noticed that the soundstage was much wider by using floorstanders. Reviews and opinions are just guidelines, go for audition and judge by your own ears and if any speaker type sounded good to you, then just stick with it. I've tried using satellite, bookshelf and floorstander speakers by using the same avr and my personal preference would be floorstanders for movies.
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It all depends on room size IMO.
Putting a 6 ft floorstander in a 10ft x 10ft with an 8 ft ceiling room is not going to sound better than using a pair of bookshelves in the same series.


QUOTE(Masculine @ Apr 24 2016, 08:46 AM)
Which is better to have if I were to start 2 floor standing speaker (jbl arena 180 or sony ssc3) in a small room?
Yamaha A-S301 or RX-V479?

Listening to 95% music (ALAC file from my iphone) I have apple tv...

Home theatre sound is not important to me... But its ok to have... High quality audio for music is very important to me...

Advice please.  Thank you
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If you have zero desire for HT in the future, get the intergrated amp + floor standers. But make sure your room accomodates the floorstanders, if not then go for a higher-end series of bookshelves instead.

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If you have zero desire for HT in the future, get the intergrated amp + floor standers. But make sure your room accomodates the floorstanders, if not then go for a higher-end series of bookshelves instead.
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QUOTE(Masculine @ Apr 24 2016, 04:07 PM)
It all depends on room size IMO.
Putting a 6 ft floorstander in a 10ft x 10ft with an 8 ft ceiling room is not going to sound better than using a pair of bookshelves in the same series.
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well, to elaborate it's not just about the room size, there's also other factors like whether the room is enclosed or an open space and etc... My point is on the emphasis of the characteristics of the floorstanders. The advantage of a floorstanders is not only in bass extension but in overall output even above the crossover frequency. The reason why some small subwoofer/satellite systems don’t sound full or well blended because lack of low enough extension to blend in with the sub at the crossover frequency and lack of sufficient output at and above the crossover frequency. Floorstanders also tend to offer increased sensitivity, meaning they play louder with the same applied wattage than their bookshelf counterpart (same series). The floorstanders will usually also have more output capability above the range where the subwoofer stops producing bass.

Go audition for a pair of bookshelf speakers and floorstanders of your liking side by side to determine that for yourself. It is most important that you choose a speaker that you feel sounds accurate and pleasing to you in your listening environment.

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QUOTE(stilo10 @ Apr 24 2016, 09:54 PM)
well, to elaborate it's not just about the room size, there's also other factors like whether the room is enclosed or an open space and etc... My point is on the emphasis of the characteristics of the floorstanders. The advantage of a floorstanders is not only in bass extension but in overall output even above the crossover frequency. The reason why some small subwoofer/satellite systems don’t sound full or well blended because lack of low enough extension to blend in with the sub at the crossover frequency and lack of sufficient output at and above the crossover frequency. Floorstanders also tend to offer increased sensitivity, meaning they play louder with the same applied wattage than their bookshelf counterpart (same series). The floorstanders will usually also have more output capability above the range where the subwoofer stops producing bass.

Go audition for a pair of bookshelf speakers and floorstanders of your liking side by side to determine that for yourself. It is most important that you choose a speaker that you feel sounds accurate and pleasing to you in your listening environment.
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Of course, the entire room dimensions and shape are important too. As is the room material, the floors, walls and ceiling.

My point stands, place properly sized speakers in its room counterpart. If money is no object and one would like to place 6ft high, 3 ft deep tower speakers in a 800 cubic ft. room when the MLP is like 4 ft away, well be my guest. In a more realistic world, that kind of stuff doesn't apply.

Everything else you said are very valid points however. But I'm just driving home my opinion that one should try to put speakers in a room where its size would make sense.
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In reality most people had limiTation of the size of the room or dimension of the room. So not much choice really.
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after weeks of using the Yamaha A850 adventage series, I am very satisfied with the sound quality. the stereo speaker is B&W 602 S2 and the surround is yamaha A194.

digital music ss served by synology DS416 via cat 6 and video by dedicated HTPC with graphics card. control via android galaxy.

the downside is only the speaker terminals which is barely desktop grades.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 26 2016, 09:33 PM)
after weeks of using the Yamaha A850 adventage series, I am very satisfied with the sound quality. the stereo speaker is B&W 602 S2 and the surround is yamaha A194.

digital music ss served by synology DS416 via cat 6 and video by dedicated HTPC with graphics card. control via android galaxy.

the downside is only the speaker terminals which is barely desktop grades.
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Same here. For my bedroom setup, the A850 has been pretty much awesome. I have some niggly nitpicks about it, but otherwise love it.

Passes 4k @ 4:4:4 at 60p, so it's been great for HTPC usage too for me.
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Apr 26 2016, 09:33 PM)
after weeks of using the Yamaha A850 adventage series, I am very satisfied with the sound quality. the stereo speaker is B&W 602 S2 and the surround is yamaha A194.

digital music ss served by synology DS416 via cat 6 and video by dedicated HTPC with graphics card. control via android galaxy.

the downside is only the speaker terminals which is barely desktop grades.
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means no way near to WBT grade. cant even slot in a spade. and the banana only accept smaller than normal size.
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means no way near to WBT grade. cant even slot in a spade. and the banana only accept smaller than normal size.
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WBT is a lot better. Is not fair comparison.
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Finally pulled a trigger on Yamaha AS301 and JBL arena 180.... Was waiting for SSCS3 but out of stock and my finger can't wait already...

Now finger cross... hopefully everything is ok
and buyer remorse seeping in....
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QUOTE(Masculine @ Apr 29 2016, 02:37 PM)
Finally pulled a trigger on Yamaha AS301 and JBL arena 180.... Was waiting for SSCS3 but out of stock and my finger can't wait already...

Now finger cross... hopefully everything is ok
and buyer remorse seeping in....
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All should be fine. Just remember not to put the JBL 180s too close to the back wall and sidewall. General rule of thumb is that you want around 2-3 feet off the side wall, about 1-3 ft' off the back.
Experiment with toe-in angle, you don't need to go crazy by toe'ing in all the way directly to your ears.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the 180s just fine.
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All should be fine. Just remember not to put the JBL 180s too close to the back wall and sidewall. General rule of thumb is that you want around 2-3 feet off the side wall, about 1-3 ft' off the back.
Experiment with toe-in angle, you don't need to go crazy by toe'ing in all the way directly to your ears.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the 180s just fine.
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Hi all sifus.  I encounter a problem with my receiver RX-V379 and Bluray player BDP-S370. 

I can't seem to get the DTS-HD Master signal from my bluray player into my Yamaha receiver.  The display on my receiver is always showing PCM. 

I had done the necessary setting on my bluray player and tried many different settings but my receiver is always displaying PCM. 

Does anyone here encounter the same problem as I do?  If so,  could you all enlighten me?
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Guys, after few months of trial. I finally got this resolved. Just wanted to share with you how I resolved this issue. At first I thought it's my Bluray player Bitstream setting. I did as per what recommended, but my Bluray player still transmit PCM audio quality to my receiver (for DTS -HD Master bluray). I tweaked the bitstream setting more than 10 times and tried on few Bluray discs, it was still the same outcome.

Yesterday, I gave it another trial. Careless me, I observed the Incoming HDMI Video Resolution from my Bluray is only 480p. I wondered why. Then I went back to my Bluray player Video setting then only realized the setting was locked to 480p. I immediately changed to Auto and tested. The video signal changed back to 1080p. I immediately replay the Bluray discs, finally my receiver managed to detect the DTS-HD Master audio signal.

Lesson learnt. I was too focus on the Audio Setting without going through the Video Setting. So the key take away is, Audio and Video settings come hand in hand. Im a happy man now. My next aim is to get a better quality Front speakers (as my receiver comes with free NSP20 speakers). cool2.gif
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QUOTE(ehklee @ May 5 2016, 09:50 AM)
Guys,  after few months of trial.  I finally got this resolved.  Just wanted to share with you how I resolved this issue.    At first I thought it's my Bluray player Bitstream setting.  I did as per what recommended, but my Bluray player still transmit PCM audio quality to my receiver (for DTS -HD Master bluray).  I tweaked the bitstream setting more than 10 times and tried on few Bluray discs,  it was still the same outcome. 

Yesterday,  I gave it another trial.    Careless me,  I observed the Incoming HDMI Video Resolution from my Bluray is only 480p.  I wondered why.  Then I went back to my Bluray player Video setting then only realized the setting was locked to 480p.    I immediately changed to Auto and tested.  The video signal changed back to 1080p.    I immediately replay the Bluray discs,  finally my receiver managed to detect the DTS-HD Master audio signal.   

Lesson learnt.  I was too focus on the Audio Setting without going through the Video Setting.    So the key take away is,  Audio and Video settings come hand in hand.  Im a happy man now.  My next aim is to get a better quality Front speakers (as my receiver comes with free NSP20 speakers).    cool2.gif
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QUOTE(ehklee @ May 5 2016, 09:50 AM)
Guys,  after few months of trial.  I finally got this resolved.  Just wanted to share with you how I resolved this issue.    At first I thought it's my Bluray player Bitstream setting.  I did as per what recommended, but my Bluray player still transmit PCM audio quality to my receiver (for DTS -HD Master bluray).  I tweaked the bitstream setting more than 10 times and tried on few Bluray discs,  it was still the same outcome. 

Yesterday,  I gave it another trial.    Careless me,  I observed the Incoming HDMI Video Resolution from my Bluray is only 480p.  I wondered why.  Then I went back to my Bluray player Video setting then only realized the setting was locked to 480p.    I immediately changed to Auto and tested.  The video signal changed back to 1080p.    I immediately replay the Bluray discs,  finally my receiver managed to detect the DTS-HD Master audio signal.   

Lesson learnt.  I was too focus on the Audio Setting without going through the Video Setting.    So the key take away is,  Audio and Video settings come hand in hand.  Im a happy man now.  My next aim is to get a better quality Front speakers (as my receiver comes with free NSP20 speakers).    cool2.gif
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Good that you finally figured it out.

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hmmm......that is tough. Maybe you can try second hand mission speakers
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Less than RM1k.
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ya maybe u can consider Mission Mx 1 or Mission Mx2 bookshelf both under 1k. You can match with Mxc2 center speaker which also under 1k. Both are Mission Mx series.
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...Or Sony SSCS5 and SSCS8. RM699 + RM499 respectively.
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Update:

Received my Yamaha AS301 and JBL Arena 180.... this is awesome...

Only thing is that my input is from my iMac and iPhone through appletv3... I think
the appletv is downsampling my ALAC file... if only I can get a CD player..hmmm
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Any idea how much is it selling now for Yam RXA2050 and RXA3050?
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A3050 is about RM6.9k
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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 10 2016, 08:26 PM)
A3050 is about RM6.9k
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Tq fyi bro! So 6.9k is the rrp?

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QUOTE(stilo10 @ May 10 2016, 09:08 PM)
Tq fyi bro! So 6.9k is the rrp?
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RRP I think is about RM7.5k
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RRP I think is about RM7.5k
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Ic... hopefully can get a good bargain at this coming KLIAV show. I think Yamaha will usually hold a warehouse sale annually but not sure these newer Aventage models will be on sale or not...

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Ic... hopefully can get a good bargain at this coming KLIAV show. I think Yamaha will usually hold a warehouse sale annually but not sure these newer Aventage models will be on sale or not...
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Usually high end model will not have discount but instead will have free gift
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Usually high end model will not have discount but instead will have free gift
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Ic... maybe should be able to get it lower than RM6.9k for RXA3050 at the coming KLIAV show... hopefully!

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Hi Sifu,
Just bought RX-V579, previously was using onkyo TX-SR Series (pair with Jamo s606), and using my PS3 to play bluray movies. I realize the AVR never show the DTS-HD indicator ? My ps3 had set to multi channel.... any idea ?
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Hi Sifu,
Just bought RX-V579, previously was using onkyo TX-SR Series (pair with Jamo s606), and using my PS3 to play bluray movies. I realize the AVR never show the DTS-HD indicator ? My ps3 had set to multi channel.... any idea ?
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What does it show? PCM?
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QUOTE(m3lover @ May 11 2016, 02:24 PM)
Hi Sifu,
Just bought RX-V579, previously was using onkyo TX-SR Series (pair with Jamo s606), and using my PS3 to play bluray movies. I realize the AVR never show the DTS-HD indicator ? My ps3 had set to multi channel.... any idea ?
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PS3 fat or PS3 slim?

Only PS3 slim and later models can support bitstream of DTSHD and DDTrueHD. You also make sure that you have to select bitstream, instead of LPCM.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 11 2016, 04:01 PM)
PS3 fat or PS3 slim?

Only PS3 slim and later models can support bitstream of DTSHD and DDTrueHD. You also make sure that you have to select bitstream, instead of LPCM.
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PS3 slim... when i check the audio status show multichannel from the PS3... is the AVR have the DTS indicator ? sorry 1st time using Yamaha AVR and im a beginner only smile.gif
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QUOTE(m3lover @ May 11 2016, 04:54 PM)
PS3 slim... when i check the audio status show multichannel from the PS3... is the AVR have the DTS indicator ? sorry 1st time using Yamaha AVR and im a beginner only  smile.gif
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I assume you're talking about movie.
It's been explained many times how to bitstream from the PS3 - http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/...-playstation-3/

Yes, if a DTS track is played, then the DTS indicator will show up on the AVR itself and on-screen if you have the GUI enabled.

Tip: Some blu-ray movies requires you to select the appropriate track from the menu before the audio format is changed.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 11 2016, 05:00 PM)
I assume you're talking about movie.
It's been explained many times how to bitstream from the PS3 - http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/...-playstation-3/

Yes, if a DTS track is played, then the DTS indicator will show up on the AVR itself and on-screen if you have the GUI enabled.

Tip: Some blu-ray movies requires you to select the appropriate track from the menu before the audio format is changed.
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Hi, thanks a lot for your reply.. i will try it tonight. Don't have the time really go and explore the AVR yet. So far i only use the YPAO to tune the speakers. During the YPAO process my subwoofer blast very loud but when playing movies i cant feel the power. I manually change the Crossover 80Hz, -2db.... the Front Left, Right, Center, & surround had set it to +2db or +3db. Any others setting that i need to take care beside this ?
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QUOTE(m3lover @ May 11 2016, 05:09 PM)
Hi, thanks a lot for your reply.. i will try it tonight. Don't have the time really go and explore the AVR yet. So far i only use the YPAO to tune the speakers. During the YPAO process my subwoofer blast very loud but when playing movies i cant feel the power. I manually change the Crossover 80Hz, -2db.... the Front Left, Right, Center, & surround had set it to +2db or +3db. Any others setting that i need to take care beside this ?
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What sub are you using?

No, you don't just set your volume levels + whatever and forget it. You use a SPL meter to double check the volume, so that all your speakers are within 0.5-1db difference if not the same. You +2, +3 like that and you'll eventually find out you'll have volume inbalance.

Yamaha receivers are famous for sending a low voltage from its sub pre-out. So you generally want to have a higher gain on the sub itself, then hopefully have YPAO give you a negative result on the sub level. Then after that, you + whatever db you want without going above 0db all the while making sure not to have the bass obnoxiously loud.

Remember, a good subwoofer will rarely exaggerate bass. If there isn't bass, then there isn't bass, end of story. Unlike the cheap toy subs where anything that has volume, it blasts away like a psycho on drugs.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 11 2016, 05:20 PM)
What sub are you using?

No, you don't just set your volume levels + whatever and forget it. You use a SPL meter to double check the volume, so that all your speakers are within 0.5-1db difference if not the same. You +2, +3 like that and you'll eventually find out you'll have volume inbalance.

Yamaha receivers are famous for sending a low voltage from its sub pre-out. So you generally want to have a higher gain on the sub itself, then hopefully have YPAO give you a negative result on the sub level. Then after that, you + whatever db you want without going above 0db all the while making sure not to have the bass obnoxiously loud.

Remember, a good subwoofer will rarely exaggerate bass. If there isn't bass, then there isn't bass, end of story. Unlike the cheap toy subs where anything that has volume, it blasts away like a psycho on drugs.
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I have a Jamo S606 + SUB250 Home Theater system connecting to Yamaha RX-V579 (previously was using Onkyo TX-SR508). Don't think so I'm that level yet to use SPL meter to measure those dB. For now whichever speakers that i fee not that loud i will manually adjusted. I also feel like my speakers were inbalance as when i was watching movie, i have to turn on the volume quite high only can hear the effect + voice. It is true, whatever movies or music that i played the bass was not that loud.
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QUOTE(stilo10 @ May 10 2016, 11:04 PM)
Ic... hopefully can get a good bargain at this coming KLIAV show. I think Yamaha will usually hold a warehouse sale annually but not sure these newer Aventage models will be on sale or not...
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The last warehouse sale in KJ a couple of months ago didn't see the Aventage on sale. Was told that the Aventage was a hot selling range hence no clearance. Only had the RX-V 3 and 5 series.
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QUOTE(m3lover @ May 11 2016, 05:40 PM)
I have a Jamo S606 + SUB250 Home Theater system connecting to Yamaha RX-V579 (previously was using Onkyo TX-SR508). Don't think so I'm that level yet to use SPL meter to measure those dB. For now whichever speakers that i fee not that loud i will manually adjusted. I also feel like my speakers were inbalance as when i was watching movie, i have to turn on the volume quite high only can hear the effect + voice. It is true, whatever movies or music that i played the bass was not that loud.
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An SPL app is free. An actual SPL meter is like RM60, there's no reason not to use it no matter if you're a beginner or a 40-years veteran in HT.

The problem with what you're doing by "I don't hear it loud enough, plus more db!" is that you're simply increasing volume yet the balance start to go way off because YPAO has already applied an EQ for your system. You may not hear it with the one source you try to "calibrate" your levels for, but then when you jump to another, all of a sudden there will be a drastic volume inbalance.

Also, are you sure you did YPAO correctly? May be stupid to ask, but how did you place the mic? Was the room as quiet as possible? Is the mic positioned at the MLP?

The problems you are describing sounds like a system which is inappropriately calibrated, from distance (delay) to levels to the sub trim.

Lastly, you have to remember that volume is not linear, it's logarithmic.


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If all else fails, then all I can think of is that your sitting position is in a null. You will have to do a subcrawl to find the best position for the sub then.

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If you want to adjust manually than don't do YPAO. EQ just let it be flat and adjust as you need
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Ic... maybe should be able to get it lower than RM6.9k for RXA3050 at the coming KLIAV show... hopefully!
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You can surely forget about it 😜
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QUOTE(tbcheese @ May 11 2016, 05:48 PM)
The last warehouse sale in KJ a couple of months ago didn't see the Aventage on sale. Was told that the Aventage was a hot selling range hence no clearance. Only had the RX-V 3 and 5 series.
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Thanks for sharing bro! So the warehouse sale at KJ you mentioned was on March rite? Then maybe will have to wait for the coming KLIAV show whether they will be any good deals on these Aventage models! Btw, are you planning to get one for yourself as well?
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You can surely forget about it 😜
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so no chance at all? then RM6.9k will be the best price at the moment?
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so no chance at all? then RM6.9k will be the best price at the moment?
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If lucky maybe can get 100-200 less. Other than that no chance at all
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This year Aventage receivers has one very redeeming update that I like though: sub-EQ down to 16hz.
It's the only reason why I won't go for a 3050 right now, unless it is like stupidly cheap. tongue.gif
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Thanks for sharing bro! So the warehouse sale at KJ you mentioned was on March rite? Then maybe will have to wait for the coming KLIAV show whether they will be any good deals on these Aventage models! Btw, are you planning to get one for yourself as well?
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Yeah it was end of March or early April. Nola, can't afford one now. Was in the area so helped a friend to check.

Which model are you looking for?
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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 11 2016, 07:29 PM)
If lucky maybe can get 100-200 less. Other than that no chance at all
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Slim chance since it was a hot selling model! bye.gif
so you owned RXA3050?


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This year Aventage receivers has one very redeeming update that I like though: sub-EQ down to 16hz.

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QUOTE(tbcheese @ May 11 2016, 08:10 PM)
Yeah it was end of March or early April. Nola, can't afford one now. Was in the area so helped a friend to check.

Which model are you looking for?
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Actually I'm still surveying, like RXA2050, Marantz SR6010 or maybe some other models that is good. Any idea on pricing for RXA2050?

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QUOTE(m3lover @ May 11 2016, 02:24 PM)
Hi Sifu,
Just bought RX-V579, previously was using onkyo TX-SR Series (pair with Jamo s606), and using my PS3 to play bluray movies. I realize the AVR never show the DTS-HD indicator ? My ps3 had set to multi channel.... any idea ?
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If want to force dtsma, just disable all 5.1 and 7.1 in manual setup, sound better than pcm process
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QUOTE(stilo10 @ May 11 2016, 11:23 PM)
Slim chance since it was a hot selling model!  bye.gif
so you owned RXA3050?
Interesting though!
Actually I'm still surveying, like RXA2050, Marantz SR6010 or maybe some other models that is good. Any idea on pricing for RXA2050?
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Yup bought the a3050 last year end
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what speakers did you use ?

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what speakers did you use ?
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B&W
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Yup bought the a3050 last year end
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pairing it with your b&w n pb13u must be brilliant! must come to your open house if you are holding one later!
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pairing it with your b&w n pb13u must be brilliant! must come to your open house if you are holding one later!
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Not yet try out. PB13U still in the box. Hopefully can try out on weekend. You are welcome to come over anytime. Don't need open house 😉
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B&W
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Bro b&w what model, i just got mine 3weeks ago at jaya one. Mine is the low range model 683 s2 but not bad matching my A2040
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Not yet try out. PB13U still in the box. Hopefully can try out on weekend. You are welcome to come over anytime. Don't need open house 😉
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Thanks bro! then will plan my time to cover over one day! At the mean time, just see some teaser shots of your new setup! drool.gif

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QUOTE(Dickong @ May 12 2016, 09:56 PM)
Bro b&w what model, i just got mine 3weeks ago at jaya one. Mine is the low range model 683 s2 but not bad matching my A2040
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Mine is the CM8. Bought from the same place as yours about 5 years ago
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Thanks bro! then will plan my time to cover over one day! At the mean time, just see some teaser shots of your new setup! drool.gif
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Awaiting!  :thumbsup:
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Cool setup there bro! The picture quality of your projector looks good even with some lights on and I suppose it must be a good model!
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Cool setup there bro! The picture quality of your projector looks good even with some lights on and I suppose it must be a good model!
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The projector is JVC x5000 and yes it is damn good. Now I had a problem with my Yamaha A3050. I am using dual HDMI from my OPPO 103D to my Yamaha. HDMI 1 output to projector and HDMI 2 output to Yamaha. With this setup the Yamaha could not detect the signal from OPPO and no sound. Tried different cables and different HDMI input on the Yamaha also the same issue. Anyone else has this problem ? I suspect is firmware issue as it was working fine before I upgrade the firmware for dts x

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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 15 2016, 06:49 AM)
The projector is JVC x5000 and yes it is damn good. Now I had a problem with my Yamaha A3050. I am using dual HDMI from my OPPO 103D to my Yamaha. HDMI 1 output to projector and HDMI 2 output to Yamaha. With this setup the Yamaha could not detect the signal from OPPO and no sound. Tried different cables and different HDMI input on the Yamaha also the same issue. Anyone else has this problem ? I suspect is firmware issue as it was working fine before I upgrade the firmware for dts x
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I think you need to enable some setting for HDMI2, if I remember correctly. The same thing happened to me.
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I think you need to enable some setting for HDMI2, if I remember correctly. The same thing happened to me.
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You mean enable in the avr ? OPPO is already enable all the time
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You mean enable in the avr ? OPPO is already enable all the time
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You mean enable in the avr ? OPPO is already enable all the time
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Make sure in HDMI set up menu on your receiver that the HDMI out is set to off. Otherwise, you audio will be sent to your TV.
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[quote=sonerin,May 15 2016, 06:49 AM]
The projector is JVC x5000 and yes it is damn good.

This X5000 delivers very good performance and came with HDMI 2.0a inputs, HDCP 2.2 and support for HDR. Very nice choice have there and I think it cost nearly RM20K or more maybe?
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Make sure in HDMI set up menu on your receiver that the HDMI out is set to off. Otherwise, you audio will be sent to your TV.
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Hmmmm.....something I didn't check. Need to have a look.
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[quote=stilo10,May 15 2016, 02:28 PM]
[quote=sonerin,May 15 2016, 06:49 AM]
The projector is JVC x5000 and yes it is damn good.

This X5000 delivers very good performance and came with HDMI 2.0a inputs, HDCP 2.2 and support for HDR. Very nice choice have there and I think it cost nearly RM20K or more maybe?
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Yes retail price about RM20k
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Yes retail price about RM20k
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You have some very cool gear av gear! :thumbsup:
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A3050!!! Cosy and spacious room! Wish I could have one someday! lust.gif thumbup.gif
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A3050!!! Cosy and spacious room! Wish I could have one someday!  lust.gif  thumbup.gif
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Go go go ..... This is my second yammy. Previous was A2030
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Not all the way. I prefer Anthem tbh, if only they aren't so freaking hard to get.

That said, I just wish Yammy fixes the niggly issues they still have lingering around like Dolby codecs having a 5db gain boost over DTS/LPCM, or like have their phono pre-outs sending a higher voltage, or like their surround pre-outs having a higher voltage output. Sub EQ down to 16hz for this year's Aventage models will be a Godsend though! thumbup.gif
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hi all sifus, when u setup the surround sound system, is it a must to buy original dvd/bluray in order to get the surround data from the disc itself.

if i connect to pc and play some .mkv, .avi, .rmvb file, would i still be able to get srround sound?
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QUOTE(WhiteFlag @ May 17 2016, 05:10 PM)
hi all sifus, when u setup the surround sound system, is it a must to buy original dvd/bluray in order to get the surround data from the disc itself.

if i connect to pc and play some .mkv, .avi, .rmvb file, would i still be able to get srround sound?
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Not a must, but the best audio comes from Blu-ray discs.
Of course you can find remux or pure iso rips on the internet, how or where that's up to you to figure out. No piracy talk here.

mkv, avi, and rmvb are just containers, not codecs. You can have an mkv file, but the content could only have PCM 2.0 audio mixed in. So it depends on which version you find. If you want surround, you obviously need to get one with DTS or DD encoded at the very least.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 17 2016, 05:30 PM)
Not a must, but the best audio comes from Blu-ray discs.
Of course you can find remux or pure iso rips on the internet, how or where that's up to you to figure out. No piracy talk here.

mkv, avi, and rmvb are just containers, not codecs. You can have an mkv file, but the content could only have PCM 2.0 audio mixed in. So it depends on which version you find. If you want surround, you obviously need to get one with DTS or DD encoded at the very least.
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Finally, 2016 Yamaha Aventage revealed.

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The new models all handle 4K Ultra HD video properly and feature HDMI 2.0a ports that offer high dynamic range (HDR) pass-through. Supported video features include: 3840 x 2160p resolution, up to 60 Hz high frame rates, coverage of the BT.2020 wide color gamut, 10 or 12-bit color, 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, and HDCP 2.2 copy protection.

Bob Goedken—the general manager of Yamaha America's AV division—is on the record stating that the "RX-A 60 Series AV receivers put the home theater enthusiast in the center of the action as never before. It provides the absolute cutting-edge in advanced audio technologies, truly lifelike musicality and the best wireless multiroom audio solution in the industry."

Aventage RX-A 60 Series AV receivers support the MusicCast wireless multiroom audio ecosystem from Yamaha, which the company claims "offers more flexibility than other wireless multi-room audio solutions with built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, for added connectivity to music services and to smartphones or tablets."

Beyond streaming, all of these new AVRs handle high-resolution audio files including: ALAC at 24-bit/96 kHz, WAV, AIFF, FLAC up to 24-bit/96 kHz, and DSD up to 5.6 MHz. Furthermore, models from the RX-A760 through the RX-A3060 feature a phono input. MusicCast even has the ability to send music from a turntable to MusicCast-enabled products in other rooms and it's all controllable using iOS or Android smart devices.

All of the RX-A 60 Series AVRs have YPAO room EQ built-in. Crucially, subwoofer EQ is supported in all RX-A 60 series models. Furthermore, from the RX-A760 model on up the subwoofer parametric EQ operates down to 15.6 Hz.

The Aventage RX-A660 is the base-level model this year. It sports 7.2-channel surround, four HDMI inputs and one output, compatibility with Dolby Atmos and DTS:X audio (5.1.2-channelS); built-in Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and YPAO room EQ. It outputs 80 watts per channel into 8-ohm loads.

Yamaha's Aventage RX-A760 features 7.2-channel surround with support for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X (in a 5.1.2-channel configuration). Alternately, it can output 5.1-channel audio plus Zone 2 stereo sound with auto switching. This model outputs 90 watts per channel and has six HDMI inputs (three with HDCP 2.2), one HDMI/HDCP 2.2 output, and also includes a phono input, Rhapsody plus SiriusXM Internet radio, YPAO with Reflected Sound Control (R.S.C.) and assignable amps.

Next up is the RX-A860, a 7.2-channel network AVR that also supports Dolby Atmos and DTS:X setups with a 5.1.2-channel speaker layout. It also offers 2-zone operation. Power output is a respectable 100 watts per channel. This model has eight HDMI inputs (three with HDCP 2.2) as well as dual HDMI/HDCP 2.2 outputs. Features include YPAO room EQ with R.S.C. and multipoint measurement.

Stepping up to the RX-A1060 still only gets you 7.2 channels, which is good enough for handling Dolby Atmos and DTS:X with a 5.1.2-channel speaker configuration. ALternately, this AVR can output 5.1 channels into Zone 1 and stereo into Zone 2 with auto-switching. Power output gets upped to 110 watts per channel versus the lesser models. The RX-A1060 sports eight HDMI inputs (seven with HDCP 2.2) and two HDMI/HDCP 2.2 outputs. This AVR also features symmetrical amp layout, and dual ESS Sabre DACs. YPAO room EQ supports R.S.C. as well as multipoint measurement and offers a 7.1-channel equalizer. Other features include HDMI zone switching along with various tweaks and enhancements that can be applied to Zone 2 content.

Stepping up to the Aventage RX-A2060 gets you a 9.2-channel network AVR. That means you can have Dolby Atmos and DTS:X speaker setups with 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 channels. Power gets a big boost versus the lower models with 140 watts per channel of output. Dual ESS Sabre DACs are included. YPAO room EQ features R.S.C. with 3D, multipoint and angle measurement plus a 9.2-channel equalizer.

Last but obviously not least is Yamaha's flagship Aventage RX-A3060. It features 11-channel processing which means it can support Dolby Atmos and DTS:X in setups of 5.1.4 channels, 7.1.2 channels, or 7.1.4 channels (by adding a 2-channel amp). Power output gets boosted to 150 watts per channel. It includes an ESS Sabre 32-bit DAC with fine-tuneable ultra-low jitter phase lock loop (PLL) mode. YPAO room EQ with R.S.C. and 3D, multipoint, 11.2-channel precision equalizer, and 64-bit resolution round out the some of the features offered by the top Aventage AVR.
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Sub-EQ down to 15.6hz is official, goodnight audyssey. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 18 2016, 10:00 PM)
Finally, 2016 Yamaha Aventage revealed.

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Sub-EQ down to 15.6hz is official, goodnight audyssey. tongue.gif
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Not much different with current 50 models
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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 18 2016, 10:17 PM)
Not much different with current 50 models
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Nope other than sub-EQ down to 15.6hz and having the option to apply DSPs to DTS:X and Atmos content (which only the CX5100 had), everything else is just marketing bs.

Let's face it, the A xx60 series are for A xx40 owners or older. For those owners, at least they have more substantial upgrades like proper 4k60hz at 4:4:4, HDR support, DTS:X and etc.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 18 2016, 10:32 PM)
Nope other than sub-EQ down to 15.6hz and having the option to apply DSPs to DTS:X and Atmos content (which only the CX5100 had), everything else is just marketing bs.

Let's face it, the A xx60 series are for A xx40 owners or older. For those owners, at least they have more substantial upgrades like proper 4k60hz at 4:4:4, HDR support, DTS:X and etc.
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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 19 2016, 07:07 AM)
That is true
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Still a bit sour that the 3D angle management YPAO thing is not active during Atmos/DTSX content playback. Welp, maybe next year's model then. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 19 2016, 03:52 PM)
Still a bit sour that the 3D angle management YPAO thing is not active during Atmos/DTSX content playback. Welp, maybe next year's model then. tongue.gif
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Both DTS X and atmos still quite new. I am sure when it gets more mature it will get better and change.
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Hi,

Anyone know the AVR specification on the link below? Tried to google but it only direct me back to Yamaha Malaysia web.

Yamaha package

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Hi,

Anyone know the AVR specification on the link below? Tried to google but it only direct me back to Yamaha Malaysia web.

Yamaha package
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You can go Yamaha kelana jaya directly to buy it
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QUOTE(capoi @ May 27 2016, 05:29 PM)
Hi,

Anyone know the AVR specification on the link below? Tried to google but it only direct me back to Yamaha Malaysia web.

Yamaha package
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That package consisted of RXV477 and speakers

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Hi guy,

What is the market price currently for yamaha A850?

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QUOTE(squall_12 @ May 28 2016, 10:26 PM)
Hi guy,

What is the market price currently for yamaha A850?

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Should be around 2.5k
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QUOTE(squall_12 @ May 28 2016, 10:26 PM)
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What is the market price currently for yamaha A850?

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RM3.3k from Desa HT.


QUOTE(sonerin @ May 28 2016, 11:29 PM)
Should be around 2.5k
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That's A750.
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For Yamaha desa is not the cheapest place to get
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QUOTE(sonerin @ May 29 2016, 04:52 PM)
For Yamaha desa is not the cheapest place to get
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Where then? Accoustique at Amcorp?