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 AV Receivers/ Speakers/ Subwoofers, Discussion & Opinion

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post Apr 18 2016, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 18 2016, 06:48 PM)
It depends. There's no one size fit all crossover freq. for everyone.
There are just too many variables, but the good starting point is 80hz if you have a sub. But since you're using your front towers as the low-end, then you'll need to experiment a bit.

Personally I'd suggest getting a sub would if movies/games are your main content sources. I'm not sure how strong that power supply is in your HK amp, so driving all your speakers full range is not really a good idea in the first place anyways.
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The default was Large and 100Hz. I experimented with Small, 80Hz and Small, 60Hz...I found Small, 60Hz was giving more bass. All these is without subwoofer.

I will try again tonight smile.gif

Update: It's Large and 100Hz now. Mainly into movies, the sub should do good sad.gif

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post Apr 18 2016, 10:32 PM

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Anyone here have 9 surround speakers? hmm.gif
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post Apr 18 2016, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ Apr 18 2016, 10:32 PM)
Anyone here have 9 surround speakers?  hmm.gif
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I have;

7.2 + Front Heights = 9 channels.
5.2.4 = 9 channels.
5.2 + Front and Rear Heights = 9 channels.

What about it?
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post Apr 18 2016, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 18 2016, 10:59 PM)
I have;

7.2 + Front Heights = 9 channels.
5.2.4 = 9 channels.
5.2 + Front and Rear Heights = 9 channels.

What about it?
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Wow! Is it possible to get a glimpse of your HT room with some pictures? (if you don't mind!) wub.gif
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post Apr 18 2016, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ Apr 18 2016, 11:27 PM)
Wow! Is it possible to get a glimpse of your HT room with some pictures? (if you don't mind!)  wub.gif
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I think I worded it wrongly... sweat.gif

What I actually meant was I have at some point listened to all 3 configurations for extensive periods of time. Currently I'm only doing a 5.1 setup in a bedroom.
I'm under the process of planning my HT room, hopefully can start building in the later end of the year.

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post Apr 19 2016, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 18 2016, 11:37 PM)
I think I worded it wrongly... sweat.gif

What I actually meant was I have at some point listened to all 3 configurations for extensive periods of time. Currently I'm only doing a 5.1 setup in a bedroom.
I'm under the process of planning my HT room, hopefully can start building in the later end of the year.
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OIC. No worries bro. Just curious about 9 surround speaker effects added with Dolby Atmos. Must be breathtaking!



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post Apr 19 2016, 06:53 AM

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I am currently doing 7.1.4 will take some snapshots in about next week when all speakers are install
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post Apr 19 2016, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(jovigrunge @ Apr 19 2016, 12:17 AM)
OIC. No worries bro. Just curious about 9 surround speaker effects added with Dolby Atmos. Must be breathtaking!



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post Apr 19 2016, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 18 2016, 07:25 PM)
The default was Large and 100Hz. I experimented with Small, 80Hz and Small, 60Hz...I found Small, 60Hz was giving more bass. All these is without subwoofer.

I will try again tonight smile.gif

Update: It's Large and 100Hz now. Mainly into movies, the sub should do good sad.gif
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Since it's large , and you don't have a sub, does it matter what Hz you crossover ?
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post Apr 19 2016, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Apr 19 2016, 08:51 AM)
Since it's large , and you don't have a sub, does it matter what Hz you crossover ?
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I don't' really know.

The frequencies basically just gives louder/more bass at a lower volume only I guess. By the way, I can't really switched on a louder volume when I watch the movies 😅...Directive from the Home Minister

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post Apr 19 2016, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 09:10 AM)
I don't' really know.

The frequencies basically just gives louder/more bass at a lower volume only I guess. By the way, I can't really switched on a louder volume when I watch the movies 😅...Directive from the Home Minister
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Without a Sub :-

1) When you set your Speakers to large, all frequencies are directed to your Speakers. So your Speakers get the full range. However the very low Bass (.1-LFE channel from 5.1 movies) which is exclusive to only a SUB will be missing. That's why you are missing the Oomph you mentioned.

2) When you set to Small, Whatever Hz you set will be directed to your Sub and cut-off from your Speakers. So you won't get the full range from your speakers. And since you don't have Sub, those frequencies will be completely missing from your hearing. Not to mention, the .1 LFE will be missing as well. Double Oomph gone.

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post Apr 19 2016, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Apr 19 2016, 10:06 AM)
Without a Sub :-

1) When you set your Speakers to  large, all frequencies are directed to your Speakers. So your Speakers get the full range. However the very low Bass (.1-LFE channel from 5.1 movies)  which is exclusive to only a SUB will be missing. That's why you are missing the Oomph you mentioned.

2) When you set to Small, Whatever Hz you set will be directed to your Sub and cut-off from your Speakers. So you won't get the full range from your speakers. And since you don't have Sub, those frequencies will be completely missing from your hearing. Not to mention, the .1 LFE will be missing as well.  Double Oomph gone.
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Wow.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Question, assuming the movie files are small, 700mb-ish, which are mainly 2ch 720p, I guess the sound quality is terrible to begin with. Any suggestions? thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif
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post Apr 19 2016, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 03:32 PM)
Wow.

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Question, assuming the movie files are small, 700mb-ish, which are mainly 2ch 720p, I guess the sound quality is terrible to begin with. Any suggestions?  thumbsup.gif  thumbsup.gif
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Those are mainly 2ch AAC which shows up as PCM in your AVR. You can't do much about the sound quality as they come form all types of questionable sources, a lot of phone camera recordings even.

If the sound is too soft you could try to pre-amplify the sound by using the Manual Vol control of your Media Player device, before outputting to the AVR.

Or if your your HK speakers are full 5 pc set. then you can simulate 5.0 channels with one of your AVR Virtual surround modes like DPL II etc. Only by trial and error will you know they sound better or worse.

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Apr 19 2016, 08:19 PM)
Those are mainly 2ch AAC which shows up as PCM in your AVR. You can't do much about the sound quality as they come form all types of questionable sources, a lot of phone camera recordings even.

If the sound is too soft you could try to pre-amplify the sound by using the Manual Vol control of your Media Player device, before outputting to the AVR.

Or if your your HK speakers are full 5 pc set. then you can simulate 5.0 channels with one of your AVR Virtual surround modes like DPL II etc. Only by trial and error will you know they sound better or worse.
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Yeah, sound quality is nothing great even though they are Bluray rips blush.gif

HK have the Logic 7 sound simulation, or I can use the DPL II. Cheers. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 19 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 09:25 PM)
Yeah, sound quality is nothing great even though they are Bluray rips  blush.gif

HK have the Logic 7 sound simulation, or I can use the DPL II. Cheers.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If BD ripped as iso you will get the same as playing back from BD. Of course the file size will be like 35GB for 1 movie
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QUOTE(sonerin @ Apr 19 2016, 09:52 PM)
If BD ripped as iso you will get the same as playing back from BD. Of course the file size will be like 35GB for 1 movie
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Yes, if they are ISO files. I normally go for compressed files (YIFY, etc) blush.gif
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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 10:05 PM)
Yes, if they are ISO files. I normally go for compressed files (YIFY, etc)  blush.gif
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Well as yourself is compressed file so can't complaint
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post Apr 19 2016, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 10:05 PM)
Yes, if they are ISO files. I normally go for compressed files (YIFY, etc)  blush.gif
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Before I forget, your HK AVR might have the feature to send the lfe channel to the front L/R. Make sure you set your Subwoofer to None and your Speakers to large, if you have not already done so.
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QUOTE(Ngto @ Apr 19 2016, 10:17 PM)
Before I forget, your HK AVR might have the feature to send the lfe channel to the front L/R. Make sure you set your Subwoofer to None and your Speakers to large, if you have not already done so.
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It's always been that way icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 19 2016, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(OPT @ Apr 19 2016, 10:23 PM)
It's always been that way  icon_rolleyes.gif
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But then you are watching only Stereo movies, which won't have the Lfe, so won't make a diff.

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