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SSJBen
post Mar 23 2016, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 23 2016, 06:54 AM)
What you using for main system ?
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Used to be a A2040 with KEF Q series setup (4xQ100 + Q200 + SVS PB1000). Now dismantled already as I'm in the process of planning to build a proper room for HT usage. Maybe much later in the year before I can complete the plans and what not.

Also looking to add another pair of prime sats as height/overhead speakers into my current 2nd room setup to do 5.2.2. But first need to try and mate both the SB and PB1000. Finding space for the latter is difficult lol.

QUOTE(bad2928 @ Mar 23 2016, 12:11 PM)
must be scary setup with multiple monster sub and mini dsp drool.gif
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Not scary la, dismantled liao. Heck it was a modest KEF Q series setup only. tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2016, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 23 2016, 06:53 AM)
Any DIY shop or even hyper markets
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But I'm not using those RCA type.
My connector at the back are screw in wire type n
Can use RCA direct plug?
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post Mar 23 2016, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(stevenycs @ Mar 23 2016, 12:49 PM)
But I'm not using those RCA type.
My connector at the back are screw in wire type n
Can use RCA direct plug?
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No, you cannot use RCA pins into a 5 way binding posts. You need banana plugs, spade lugs or just bare wire screw in.

You can get speaker wire in many places, they're really just copper strands inside. The important thing is that you make sure it is oxygen free and the length you are going for is appropriate for the cable's gauge.

I still have a remaining roll of oxygen british cables (about 18 meters left) if you want, can sell to you cheap cheap.
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post Mar 23 2016, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(stevenycs @ Mar 23 2016, 12:49 PM)
But I'm not using those RCA type.
My connector at the back are screw in wire type n
Can use RCA direct plug?
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oh, loose cut spk cable can buy from car audio shop. usually start from rm5 per meter onwards, aim for more copper strands 铜丝 if budget allow.

recently i bought norstone 1.5mmsq from hifi shop was charged rm10 per meter. sound not nice so avoid this.
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post Mar 23 2016, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 23 2016, 01:25 PM)
oh, loose cut spk cable can buy from car audio shop. usually start from rm5 per meter onwards, aim for more copper strands 铜丝 if budget allow.

recently i bought norstone 1.5mmsq from hifi shop was charged rm10 per meter. sound not nice so avoid this.
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Ok cause I tried looking online but can't find.
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post Mar 23 2016, 03:30 PM

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Can try acoustique systems in amcorp mall, price reasonable
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post Mar 23 2016, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 23 2016, 12:29 PM)
Used to be a A2040 with KEF Q series setup (4xQ100 + Q200 + SVS PB1000). Now dismantled already as I'm in the process of planning to build a proper room for HT usage. Maybe much later in the year before I can complete the plans and what not.

Also looking to add another pair of prime sats as height/overhead speakers into my current 2nd room setup to do 5.2.2. But first need to try and mate both the SB and PB1000. Finding space for the latter is difficult lol.
Not scary la, dismantled liao. Heck it was a modest KEF Q series setup only. tongue.gif
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KEF.......ah. I use to have KEF but sold it off. It is a good speaker but I jump ship into SVS prime bookshelf. I am using the bookshelf as surround. I did thought of the satellite but kind of small so go with prime bookshelf. I assume you using the A2040 for the room setup.

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 23 2016, 03:35 PM)
KEF.......ah. I use to have KEF but sold it off. It is a good speaker but I jump ship into SVS prime bookshelf. I am using the bookshelf as surround. I did thought of the satellite but kind of small so go with prime bookshelf. I assume you using the A2040 for the room setup.
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is RXA850 aventage
btw, i would like the q100 if he planning to sell

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post Mar 23 2016, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 23 2016, 03:35 PM)
KEF.......ah. I use to have KEF but sold it off. It is a good speaker but I jump ship into SVS prime bookshelf. I am using the bookshelf as surround. I did thought of the satellite but kind of small so go with prime bookshelf. I assume you using the A2040 for the room setup.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 23 2016, 04:39 PM)
is RXA850 aventage
btw, i would like the q100 if he planning to sell
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Ktek bro is right. I bought an A850 for the bedroom. Selling off the A2040 to get this year's A3060 (or something else, will see how first). May seem weird why didn't I just use the 2040 for the room instead, but I got the A850 for a very good price and selling off the 2040 gave me some extra funds to get some other stuff for the time being since I'm not exactly sure when I'll be completing the HT room.

Yeah I mean, I love KEF and their uni-q drivers but... I don't know, they have this very nice wide and enticing soundstage. But the mids always sounded a little constrained to me, it doesn't have enough energy when transitioning into the high frequency ranges, as a result it can sometimes be a little 'boxy'.

My target is the Ultra bookshelves + ultra center + prime sats as surrounds + dual PB2000 or PC2000. Still need more evaluation on the subs part. PC vs PB, dang.

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Sold both pairs liao. Only left the Q200c now, pending the buyer.

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post Mar 23 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 23 2016, 06:43 PM)
Ktek bro is right. I bought an A850 for the bedroom. Selling off the A2040 to get this year's A3060 (or something else, will see how first). May seem weird why didn't I just use the 2040 for the room instead, but I got the A850 for a very good price and selling off the 2040 gave me some extra funds to get some other stuff for the time being since I'm not exactly sure when I'll be completing the HT room.

Yeah I mean, I love KEF and their uni-q drivers but... I don't know, they have this very nice wide and enticing soundstage. But the mids always sounded a little constrained to me, it doesn't have enough energy when transitioning into the high frequency ranges, as a result it can sometimes be a little 'boxy'.

My target is the Ultra bookshelves + ultra center + prime sats as surrounds + dual PB2000 or PC2000. Still need more evaluation on the subs part. PC vs PB, dang.

@ktek
Sold both pairs liao. Only left the Q200c now, pending the buyer.
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Didn't know that there is A3060 incoming. SVS is definitely very nice HT.
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 22 2016, 07:00 PM)
Directly to the sides? It usually does sound bad because this position is usually too distinctive (this is also why you have a hole on the back). Poor tweeter design will also make everything sound very artificial and harsh. Direct side positions should only be used for dipole/bipole speakers and even then they need to be about 3ft at least higher than the MLP.

The idea surround location for monopole (which are satellites or bookshelves) is about 2ft. behind (or more, depending on the size of the room of course), 20-30 degrees angled. Alternatively, you can just place the surround speakers directly at the back.

For reference, this is my secondary bedroom setup:

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So you see, even with a bed right next to my couch, I managed to have a cohesive soundstage just with some logical  adjustments despite the setup not being "correct" or "optimized".
My LR speakers on this may look more toed-in than it seems, but it's just the angle of the picture btw.
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What's the height of the speaker stand? How much is that 5.1 setup?
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post Mar 23 2016, 10:02 PM

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Well, 3060 is just my expectation. Past few years, Yamaha announce their receiver line up around June. So just expecting their flagship will be called 3060 this year. Kinda stupid of them if they decide to change name again.

SVS is great. Only gripe I have about the satellites is that they are not energetic enough at the top end, not enough bite. Obviously they don't go very low either, but that's what the sub is for and boy the puny looking Sb1000 beats louder than its size suggests.

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QUOTE(Kelv @ Mar 23 2016, 10:00 PM)
What's the height of the speaker stand? How much is that 5.1 setup?
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30" Sanus NF stands. Its real height is actually 28" though.

Total cost of the setup is around 7.9k.

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post Mar 24 2016, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 23 2016, 10:02 PM)
Well, 3060 is just my expectation. Past few years, Yamaha announce their receiver line up around June. So just expecting their flagship will be called 3060 this year. Kinda stupid of them if they decide to change name again.

SVS is great. Only gripe I have about the satellites is that they are not energetic enough at the top end, not enough bite. Obviously they don't go very low either, but that's what the sub is for and boy the puny looking Sb1000 beats louder than its size suggests.
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I see. Don't think Yamaha will come out anything new for now. Is true sat has limitation. Bookshelf will nicer that is why choose the prime instead to have fuller sound for the surround. SVS sub totally no doubt about it
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 23 2016, 10:25 PM)
30" Sanus NF stands. Its real height is actually 28" though.

Total cost of the setup is around 7.9k.
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Where you bought the SANUS stand?
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post Mar 24 2016, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 24 2016, 06:55 AM)
I see. Don't think Yamaha will come out anything new for now. Is true sat has limitation. Bookshelf will nicer that is why choose the prime instead to have fuller sound for the surround. SVS sub totally no doubt about it
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99% certain Yamaha will announce all their 2016 models in June or the latest July.

Not sure what I want to do yet, maybe spring for the ultra bookshelves + ultra center or prime tower + ultra center. The sats are perfect for surrounds because of their imaging, I kidd you not its imaging is as good if not even better than the Prime Tower.


QUOTE(Kelv @ Mar 24 2016, 10:27 AM)
Where you bought the SANUS stand?
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Lazada.

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post Mar 24 2016, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 24 2016, 01:06 PM)
99% certain Yamaha will announce all their 2016 models in June or the latest July.

Not sure what I want to do yet, maybe spring for the ultra bookshelves + ultra center or prime tower + ultra center. The sats are perfect for surrounds because of their imaging, I kidd you not its imaging is as good if not even better than the Prime Tower. 
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I will always prefer the tower speaker
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post Mar 24 2016, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 24 2016, 02:38 PM)
I will always prefer the tower speaker
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That's what I thought. I've heard both the Prime Towers and Ultra Bookshelf.

Prime Towers + Prime Center + Prime Sats setup is at Actcessory SS14.
Ultra Bookshelf + Ultra Center + Prime Sats at a friend's place.

Granted, the listening conditions were different (size of room also different), different subs setup. But tonality wise, I prefer the Ultra Bookshelf. It was more resolving, has more energetic and sparkle in the trebles, there was also that mid-bass that I crave: punchy and impactful, with tactile response.

The Prime Tower couldn't achieve the same response, it does have more low end impact but everything else... it's just one step behind the UB.
Of course, I couldn't compare pure dynamics nor could I do a 1-to-1 comparison in the detail retrieval. That's the only reason why I'm pondering between either of them.

Ringgit getting better now, so hopefully prices start to come down to more sane levels, will hope for some decent deals in KLIAV 16'.

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Ultra is still the top of SVS so I will think it will be better than prime.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 23 2016, 10:25 PM)
30" Sanus NF stands. Its real height is actually 28" though.

Total cost of the setup is around 7.9k.
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From the picture, the height looks perfect. Mind to share how much u bought the speaker stand?

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