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post Jun 14 2024, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 13 2024, 09:07 PM)
Correct me if I’m wrong, typically dead pixels show up/develop within the first few hundred hours of use right? Does extended warranty really safeguard against it? Also don’t they have like a threshold of number of pixels per square inch to qualify for replacements?
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It can happen within first few months say within 6 months or prolong use like more than 1 or 2 years.
So it is wise to get extended warranty for a peace mind.
Standard warranty covers dead pixels so extended warranty should cover it too.


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post Jun 14 2024, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jun 13 2024, 11:30 AM)
Dead pixels is quite common on OLED TV.
Better buy extended warranty for peace of mind to cover dead pixels.
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How do I buy the warranty if I'm purchasing the TV online? The shop does not sell it.
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post Jun 14 2024, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 14 2024, 09:02 AM)
How do I buy the warranty if I'm purchasing the TV online? The shop does not sell it.
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Can check with the manufacturer if it offer extended warranty.
I bought Panasonic tv and check with them. So they advised me to go to which Panashop to buy extended warranty.
It is better to get it directly from the manufacturer because of better services and original parts replacements.
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post Jun 14 2024, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 12 2024, 10:17 PM)
Nice! How much did it run you? I almost picked it up.will be getting mine later this month when I move to the new place.
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RM15800 with free delivery.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 13 2024, 01:25 AM)
Why didn't just go for G3? Pretty sure the price difference between the both isn't very significant.
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G3 was an extra RM6K++, which was beyond my budget.
I was originally hoping to budget for a G4 next year, but after my E6 died my timetable had to be moved up, which also limited my budget.
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post Jun 14 2024, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(munchoong @ Jun 14 2024, 12:48 PM)
RM15800 with free delivery.
G3 was an extra RM6K++, which was beyond my budget.
I was originally hoping to budget for a G4 next year, but after my E6 died my timetable had to be moved up, which also limited my budget.
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Really such a significant difference now? Last I checked prior to getting my own G3 77", the C3 77" was only RM2.5k less at HVN.
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post Jun 14 2024, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 14 2024, 03:30 PM)
Really such a significant difference now? Last I checked prior to getting my own G3 77", the C3 77" was only RM2.5k less at HVN.
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Highly dependant on stock and timing. They are clearing the stock to make way for the 2024 models.

15.8 is pretty close to as low as I was able to find too for the 77. It’s a good deal. For g3 - the value sweet spot might be the 83 g3 rather then 77 at around 24-25. But was told there are only like less than 5 units left at LG.
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post Jun 14 2024, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 14 2024, 10:09 PM)
Highly dependant on stock and timing. They are clearing the stock to make way for the 2024 models.

15.8 is pretty close to as low as I was able to find too for the 77.  It’s a good deal. For g3 - the value sweet spot might be the 83 g3 rather then 77 at around 24-25. But was told there are only like less than 5 units left at LG.
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Uh... I bought my G3 last year July lol. It just launched about a month in Msia at the time.

Last when I checked the C3 price because I was scouting for a 55" to put in the bedroom, I was told the C3 77" was only RM2.5k cheaper than G3 77". That was in January of this year.
There is no "stock clearing" prices at the timeline I purchased my G3 and C3.

Oh and btw there is no reason to buy an 83" G3 because it lacks MLA, might as well just get a C3 83" and save the money.
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post Jun 15 2024, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 14 2024, 10:23 PM)
Uh... I bought my G3 last year July lol. It just launched about a month in Msia at the time.

Last when I checked the C3 price because I was scouting for a 55" to put in the bedroom, I was told the C3 77" was only RM2.5k cheaper than G3 77". That was in January of this year.
There is no "stock clearing" prices at the timeline I purchased my G3 and C3.

Oh and btw there is no reason to buy an 83" G3 because it lacks MLA, might as well just get a C3 83" and save the money.
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I don’t know where you were looking for the TV or what that price was, but the small price diff you’re quoting to me just sounds like the c3 was too expensive back then. The bigger gap now just means the c3 is priced a lot lower for clearance purposes. It’s not rocket science.

Yeah as for c3 vs g3, yea g3 83 lacks MLA but is still 30% brighter than their C compared to the roughly 50-60% with MLA I think. Unless you’re in a very bright room - obsessing over brightness is overkill. Just spec sheet numbers.


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post Jun 15 2024, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 15 2024, 10:05 AM)
I don’t know where you were looking for the TV or what that price was, but the small price diff you’re quoting to me just sounds like the c3 was too expensive back then. The bigger gap now just means the c3 is priced a lot lower for clearance purposes. It’s not rocket science.

Yeah as for c3 vs g3, yea g3 83 lacks MLA but is still 30% brighter than their C compared to the roughly 50-60% with MLA I think. Unless you’re in a very bright room - obsessing over brightness is overkill. Just spec sheet numbers.
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Price was from HVN @ IOI mall putrajaya.
In fact I'm going to go there tomorrow to check the price difference between a C3 and G3, along with picking up a 48" as an editing display.

About the brightness thing, you're just regurgitating what normal peeps on the internet says. The typical you don't need any brighter if your room ain't bright and it's overkill.
Well, let me just tell you that nothing is overkill once you've seen a dolby pulsar monitor. If you understood dynamic range, you wouldn't even have said that to begin with.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 15 2024, 04:55 PM)
Price was from HVN @ IOI mall putrajaya.
In fact I'm going to go there tomorrow to check the price difference between a C3 and G3, along with picking up a 48" as an editing display.

About the brightness thing, you're just regurgitating what normal peeps on the internet says. The typical you don't need any brighter if your room ain't bright and it's overkill.
Well, let me just tell you that nothing is overkill once you've seen a dolby pulsar monitor. If you understood dynamic range, you wouldn't even have said that to begin with.
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I think anyone shopping in the c3/g3 bracket and expecting studio quality performance is probably delusional - akin to paying proton money for Ferrari performance. As a home enthusiast, most (myself included) are served 98% fine with the c series - having owned a c9 65 since 2019 and a 77 gx since 2020 (handed over to my parents) I frankly couldn’t tell much of a difference - which is why I’ve just gone for the c3 and decided to size up instead. I classify myself above the average consumer with regards to tolerance for image quality and did the basics of getting the TVs professionally calibrated and doing some basic tv room layout and setup to avoid unnecessary glare and exterior light bleed.

Hey, it’s your money. Buying into marketing hype and buying more than you probably actually need is damn straight within your right. Just don’t kid yourself thinking your requirements is the be all end all of what constitutes a good tv or bad. Pretty short sighted if you do.

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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 15 2024, 05:35 PM)
I think anyone shopping in the c3/g3 bracket and expecting studio quality performance is probably delusional - akin to paying proton money for Ferrari performance. As a home enthusiast, most (myself included) are served 98% fine with the c series - having owned a c9 65 since 2019 and a 77 gx since 2020 (handed over to my parents) I frankly couldn’t tell much of a difference - which is why I’ve just gone for the c3 and decided to size up instead. I classify myself above the average consumer with regards to tolerance for image quality and did the basics of getting the TVs professionally calibrated and doing some basic tv room layout and setup to avoid unnecessary glare and exterior light bleed.

Hey, it’s your money. Buying into marketing hype and buying more than you probably actually need is damn straight within your right. Just don’t kid yourself thinking your requirements is the be all end all of what constitutes a good tv or bad. Pretty short sighted if you do.
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The only one delusional here is you.

If you think I'm buying into marketing hype without actually even knowing what I do, that pretty much confirms what I've thought of you all this while looking at your previous posts. I won't say it because you'll get offended.

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post Jun 15 2024, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 15 2024, 06:13 PM)
The only one delusional here is you.

If you think I'm buying into marketing hype without actually even knowing what I do, that pretty much confirms what I've thought of you all this while looking at your previous posts. I won't say it because you'll get offended.

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Hey dude, I didn’t mean any offence. Sorry if it came across as such.

I wasn’t trying to tell you what you do or don’t know. Just saying there’s more to a persons decision making than just numbers on a spec sheet.

Like I said, I’m nothing more than a regular enthusiast. Keen to learn more that’s all. We cool man.
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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 15 2024, 10:05 AM)
Yeah as for c3 vs g3, yea g3 83 lacks MLA but is still 30% brighter than their C compared to the roughly 50-60% with MLA I think. Unless you’re in a very bright room - obsessing over brightness is overkill. Just spec sheet numbers.
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Higher brightness TV will tone map 1000/4000/10000 nits content better. Especially for content mastered at 1000 nits and if you TV is capable of doing over 1000 nits @ 10% window, bright highlights detail will be finer and stand out more.
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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 15 2024, 07:28 PM)
Hey dude, I didn’t mean any offence. Sorry if it came across as such.

I wasn’t trying to tell you what you do or don’t know. Just saying there’s more to a persons decision making than just numbers on a spec sheet.

Like I said, I’m nothing more than a regular enthusiast. Keen to learn more that’s all. We cool man.
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Apologies on my part as well, I sounded rude.

The point I'm making though is that there's more to just peak overall brightness. Most movies are mastered at 4000 nits these days on a UHD disc, some studios that are on the lazy/quick-buck side just blanket maxes a movie's peak luminance @ 10,000 nits which only a dolby pulsar monitor can reproduce faithfully. Fortunately the lazy approach isn't too common in recent times since all the major streaming platforms requires some level of standard for mastering of a studio's content before being published (although Disney has taken some shortcuts as well, it's a bit hypocritical but that's a different topic).

So the whole "spec sheet" thing isn't just there to appease some numbers from the marketing team of LG (or Panasonic, Sony, Philips etc.). The capability of a higher peak luminance reproduction from a display isn't just there to "make things look brighter in a bright room", that's just a byproduct (or a bonus). The true reason for needing brighter displays is so that content can be tonemap better and therefore a more faithful reproduction that represents a creator's intent.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 15 2024, 10:32 PM)
Apologies on my part as well, I sounded rude.

The point I'm making though is that there's more to just peak overall brightness. Most movies are mastered at 4000 nits these days on a UHD disc, some studios that are on the lazy/quick-buck side just blanket maxes a movie's peak luminance @ 10,000 nits which only a dolby pulsar monitor can reproduce faithfully. Fortunately the lazy approach isn't too common in recent times since all the major streaming platforms requires some level of standard for mastering of a studio's content before being published (although Disney has taken some shortcuts as well, it's a bit hypocritical but that's a different topic).

So the whole "spec sheet" thing isn't just there to appease some numbers from the marketing team of LG (or Panasonic, Sony, Philips etc.). The capability of a higher peak luminance reproduction from a display isn't just there to "make things look brighter in a bright room", that's just a byproduct (or a bonus). The true reason for needing brighter displays is so that content can be tonemap better and therefore a more faithful reproduction that represents a creator's intent.
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Ahhhh that makes sense, it’s like the holy grail of reproducing “creators intent”! 😝

Thanks for the breakdown dude. 👍🏼


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QUOTE(Rammygn @ Jun 16 2024, 11:40 AM)
Ahhhh that makes sense, it’s like the holy grail of reproducing  “creators intent”! 😝

Thanks for the breakdown dude. 👍🏼
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It's only been since last couple of years where we're getting consumer OLED displays that can fully reproduce HDR10 (static metadata of 1000 nits). We're still a long ways off from the industry standard of 4000 nits with dynamic metadata aka Dolby Vision (although that goes up to 10,000 nits).

Hopefully MicroLEDs can reach prime time soon.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 16 2024, 08:22 PM)
It's only been since last couple of years where we're getting consumer OLED displays that can fully reproduce HDR10 (static metadata of 1000 nits). We're still a long ways off from the industry standard of 4000 nits with dynamic metadata aka Dolby Vision (although that goes up to 10,000 nits).

Hopefully MicroLEDs can reach prime time soon.
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What about those OLED tv that support Dolby Vision in the market now?

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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jun 16 2024, 09:53 PM)
What about those OLED tv that support Dolby Vision in the market now?
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Most of the OLED TVs that don't have MLA or heatsink tops out at around 800 nits (LG C3, C4). Those with heatsink can reach 1000 nits (Panasonic MZ1500). Then those with MLA can hit up to 1400 nits.

Those are average figures, obviously there's panel lottery and they are non-calibrated values.

My own LG G3 after calibration hits about 1350 nits.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 16 2024, 10:33 PM)
Most of the OLED TVs that don't have MLA or heatsink tops out at around 800 nits (LG C3, C4). Those with heatsink can reach 1000 nits (Panasonic MZ1500). Then those with MLA can hit up to 1400 nits.

Those are average figures, obviously there's panel lottery and they are non-calibrated values.

My own LG G3 after calibration hits about 1350 nits.
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So most LG Oled tv models are fake dolby vision?
Only your LG G3 and panasonic oled are capable for true dolby vision?
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QUOTE(pokemon @ Jun 16 2024, 10:52 PM)
So most LG Oled tv models are fake dolby vision?
Only your LG G3 and panasonic oled are capable for true dolby vision?
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I wouldn't use the word "fake dolby vision" on a public forum. Let's just say for TVs with <1000 nits peak there will need to have a roll off on PQ EOTF to retain specular highlights (and of coure more tonemapping is needed for midtone and shadow details) details as opposed to a TV with >1000 nits peak doing a hard clip for 1000 nits content.

https://professionalsupport.dolby.com/s/art...?language=en_US

These are the requirements for mastering Dolby Vision Content. Tier 2 would fall under the "Grade 1 HDR Mastering Monitor" except the >1000 nits peak brightness requirement.

https://professional.dolby.com/content-crea...tent-creators/2

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