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SUSgogo2
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Jan 7 2007, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jan 7 2007, 12:58 PM) Then how come u said your Philip TV can play 1080p?  Ok, the whole story is like this: Philip TV can accept 1080p but only through component. Legally (means according to law), HD signal must be used through HDMI/DVI with HDCP (protected mode). Eventhough component can carry 1080p (eventhough noisy), but major DVD player maker cannot make a DVD player that output 1080p through component. If they do, maybe they'll be sued. So there's no DVD player can output 1080p through component legally.
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ryansia
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Jan 7 2007, 01:37 PM
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I've got my LG 42LC2R delivered yesterday at the cost of RM6k.. Dead pixel and light leakage free but with minor uneven backlight (only obvious when no signal). patiently set my HTPC output to 1360x 768, then plug in DVI to HDMI cable to the TV and reboot... vola....perfect 1:1 pixel mapping at HDMI port!!!!!! damn chun, with the tears of joy and the feeling is like first time making love....kakakaka...
very satisfied with this purchase and it's really value for money. Tv reception seems to be good. need time to calibrate and will do a short review if i'm free....too busy with the TV.
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piscesguy
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Jan 7 2007, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 7 2007, 01:03 PM) Ok, the whole story is like this: Philip TV can accept 1080p but only through component. Legally (means according to law), HD signal must be used through HDMI/DVI with HDCP (protected mode). Eventhough component can carry 1080p (eventhough noisy), but major DVD player maker cannot make a DVD player that output 1080p through component. If they do, maybe they'll be sued. So there's no DVD player can output 1080p through component legally.  It is not practical to make a TV that can accept 1080p without a HDMI or DVI input. Even though component can carry 1080p signal, it's not a pure digital signal.
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SiriuslyCold
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Jan 7 2007, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE("piscesguy") Even though component can carry 1080p signal, it's not a pure digital signal. what do you mean by "it's not a pure digital signal" it's pointless telling someone who already owns a TV that can display 1080p without HDMI that "its not practical to make" Wouldn't it be possible for you to visit him and look at the TV yourself, or download specs/manual from the web
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jchong
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Jan 7 2007, 03:33 PM
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Thanks for the input. Yeah, it takes two to tango, so I don't understand why my TV is ready for 1080i/720p yet only has component input at best. As piscesguy said, not really practical this way. They should include HDMI or DVI input if they're really serious with high-def. Oh well...
gogo2, if you find a source for HD850 or Oppo let me know.
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piscesguy
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Jan 7 2007, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ Jan 7 2007, 03:23 PM) QUOTE("piscesguy") Even though component can carry 1080p signal, it's not a pure digital signal. what do you mean by "it's not a pure digital signal" it's pointless telling someone who already owns a TV that can display 1080p without HDMI that "its not practical to make" Wouldn't it be possible for you to visit him and look at the TV yourself, or download specs/manual from the web What I meant was Manufacturers should not produce a TV capable of handling 1080p without digital input. I consider 1080p is a HDTV mode. In order to carry HD signal, TV must have pure digital video signal such as HDMI/DVI.
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SUSgogo2
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Jan 7 2007, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jan 7 2007, 03:58 PM) What I meant was Manufacturers should not produce a TV capable of handling 1080p without digital input. I consider 1080p is a HDTV mode. In order to carry HD signal, TV must have pure digital video signal such as HDMI/DVI. Who said cannot? Here is the proof: http://www.hdtvsupply.com/coca10te1.htmlFaster buy now: http://www.hdtvsupply.com/coca72tecl.htmlRM80 only This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 7 2007, 04:07 PM
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piscesguy
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Jan 7 2007, 04:18 PM
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Yes, you can choose to use component to carry HD signal but don't forget that component is an analogue video cable.  You will NEVER get TRUE 1080p PQ.
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TStimothyy
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Jan 7 2007, 04:21 PM
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Get the samsung DVD player that allows component output at 720p or I am not sure whether this works but what if you get a HDMI amp that can convert it for you? You all taiko... is this possible?
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SUSgogo2
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Jan 7 2007, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jan 7 2007, 04:18 PM) Yes, you can choose to use component to carry HD signal but don't forget that component is an analogue video cable.  You will NEVER get TRUE 1080p PQ. We don't expect 1080p PQ like LCD. We're using CRT. We know the limitation We're just asking where to get DVD player that send 1080p/1080i over component.  is that a hard question? or u dun have the answer and try too hard to answer This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 7 2007, 04:35 PM
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SiriuslyCold
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Jan 7 2007, 09:08 PM
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I contend that 1080p is an analog description.
if you were talking digital it will be XXXpixels x YYYpixels
anyway, my CRT is 1200 lines, so how?
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sunauto
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Jan 7 2007, 09:20 PM
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That's possible via an amp but it will be more expensive than getting a dvd player that can send HDTV signals via component video or alternatively, you can get a video scaler to do this job, again not a feasible solution too because it's pricey. CRT tvs are phasing out anyway and no longer in production in most developed countries and prices of LCD and Plasma tvs are falling so eventually, you'll own one in the future. People will be using HDMI instead and no doubt, HDMI is always better than component video anytime at any resolution unless you own something like a PS2, XBOX or Gamecube, then the best available output will be via component video. QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 7 2007, 04:21 PM) Get the samsung DVD player that allows component output at 720p or I am not sure whether this works but what if you get a HDMI amp that can convert it for you? You all taiko... is this possible?
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highlander8
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Jan 7 2007, 11:00 PM
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Getting Started

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Sorry to off track the discussion.
What I learnt from this forum is SONY DVD player NS76 is the right choice for HDMI interface which make me to consider as well.
Can someone share whether when you buy the SONY player, does it bundle with HDMI cable or you have to purchase separately?
Thank for your response
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TStimothyy
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Jan 8 2007, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE(highlander8 @ Jan 7 2007, 11:00 PM) Sorry to off track the discussion. What I learnt from this forum is SONY DVD player NS76 is the right choice for HDMI interface which make me to consider as well. Can someone share whether when you buy the SONY player, does it bundle with HDMI cable or you have to purchase separately? Thank for your response Sony NS76H is acceptable for low end HDMI player. Higher end is not. Most might want to get a 3930 or at least 2930 Denon. Sony NS76H does not come with a HDMI cable. Nope! But its considerably cheap nowadays. I might be able to get some gold plated tip 2m & 3m HDMI cable for sale. Anyone interested?
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SUSMatrix
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Jan 8 2007, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(ryansia @ Jan 7 2007, 01:37 PM) I've got my LG 42LC2R delivered yesterday at the cost of RM6k.. Dead pixel and light leakage free but with minor uneven backlight (only obvious when no signal). patiently set my HTPC output to 1360x 768, then plug in DVI to HDMI cable to the TV and reboot... vola....perfect 1:1 pixel mapping at HDMI port!!!!!! damn chun, with the tears of joy and the feeling is like first time making love....kakakaka... very satisfied with this purchase and it's really value for money. Tv reception seems to be good. need time to calibrate and will do a short review if i'm free....too busy with the TV. Congrats bro. Just don't let ur wife know about the making love part....women can never understand men and their electronic toys...ha-ha...
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ryansia
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Jan 8 2007, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2007, 09:53 AM) Congrats bro. Just don't let ur wife know about the making love part....women can never understand men and their electronic toys...ha-ha... this one for sure!!! for the reason that my first time was not her!
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mikelee
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Jan 8 2007, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 8 2007, 09:16 AM) Sony NS76H is acceptable for low end HDMI player. Higher end is not. Most might want to get a 3930 or at least 2930 Denon. Not sure this has been asked before but what is the RRP for Denon 2930 and 3930? I am curious. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On another note, Pioneer released a new HDMI DVD player (DV-400V). 1080p upscalling for a sweet USD$99. Pioneer DV-300V and DV-400VNot sure whether this can be compared to Pioneer DV-490V-S or not? Seems like DV-400V is an old model according to the numbering.
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TStimothyy
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Jan 8 2007, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(mikelee @ Jan 8 2007, 11:04 AM) Not sure this has been asked before but what is the RRP for Denon 2930 and 3930? I am curious. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On another note, Pioneer released a new HDMI DVD player (DV-400V). 1080p upscalling for a sweet USD$99. Pioneer DV-300V and DV-400VNot sure whether this can be compared to Pioneer DV-490V-S or not? Seems like DV-400V is an old model according to the numbering.  Denon 2930 around RM3000. Never asked on the 3930. But Pioneer 989 is around 3k+ touching 4k. If you asked me, its not worth spending so much when we most of the time watch ahem DVDs
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mikelee
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Jan 8 2007, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jan 8 2007, 12:12 PM) Denon 2930 around RM3000. Never asked on the 3930. But Pioneer 989 is around 3k+ touching 4k. If you asked me, its not worth spending so much when we most of the time watch ahem DVDs WOW unbelievable price there. Yeah you are right, most of the time are ahem disc and R1 discs here are too expensive to collect. Anyway one question here, the Sony NS76H doesn't upscale the Divx playback on 720p right? If no, is there any player which can perform this?
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AlamakLor
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Jan 8 2007, 01:00 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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Spending on expensive [DVDp + DVD] vs [HD DVD/BD player + HD DVD/BD] nowadays is almost like buying a [Meridian CDp + CD] vs [SACDp + SACD] only that PQ is not as subjective as SQ. I wonder if it is worth spending that much on DVDp now since sooner or later, HD DVD/BD will replace DVD anyway. Pirated DVD is not a reason to invest in a good DVDp if anybody is thinking of this reason.
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