Military Thread V19
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 Dec 21 2015, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Dec 21 2015, 04:22 PM) Really what? *brace for impact* typhoon was originally designed to be air superiority only, the multirole capabilities were tacked on, while the rafale is more or less like the french F18.Bbbbut.... India Mindef says Rafale and Typhoon deal lebih kurang same price, when support etc all included... I wants my Typhoons   |
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Dec 21 2015, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Dec 21 2015, 04:28 PM) typhoon was originally designed to be air superiority only, the multirole capabilities were tacked on, while the rafale is more or less like the french F18. Typhoon Tranche 3 compared to Tranche 1 is like FA18 and F18, different beast. Anyway I'm joking, just fanboying over Typhoon... maybe we really should go Rafale its more developed and quite sexy tooQUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:27 PM) We bought our RPG-7, ATGM, Manpads, even MP-5 and MG-3 parts from Pakistan Its ok tu kira not Pakistan... like iphone is not Chinese  its just that Paki plane look weird next to these Russian/Western aircraft |
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Dec 21 2015, 04:56 PM
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JF-17 is also not pakistan product then. It was Chinese aircraft to begin with and what Pakistan did (other than funding) is localization (avionics, weapon suite,etc)
The engine is from russia, all critical components is from China. Pakistan only assemble them and modify to PAF requiremenr. |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:27 PM) We bought our RPG-7, ATGM, Manpads, even MP-5 and MG-3 parts from Pakistan Those are not big things like fighter jet |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:56 PM) JF-17 is also not pakistan product then. It was Chinese aircraft to begin with and what Pakistan did (other than funding) is localization (avionics, weapon suite,etc) if want to get jet from china, i prefer partner which china to get J-31 for our next generation figther, since SG-->F35 ，INDO--> KFX.The engine is from russia, all critical components is from China. Pakistan only assemble them and modify to PAF requiremenr. but then getiing JF-17 or J-31 more to international political issue, we are more allies to US/Euro hard for as use China top range weapon. same like if we buy China SAM bcos they will think our side to China and they will not happy. This post has been edited by waja2000: Dec 21 2015, 05:18 PM |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Dec 21 2015, 05:01 PM) Those are not big things like fighter jet That's not the point |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Dec 21 2015, 05:14 PM) if want to get jet from china, i prefer partner which china to get J-31 for our next generation figther, since SG-->F35 ，INDO--> KFX. Stealth is of secondary for RMAF requirement. What's more important is naval strike and night attack capability. Basically and upgrade to our F/A-18Dbut then getiing JF-17 or J-31 more to international political issue, we are more allies to US/Euro hard for as use China top range weapon. same like if we buy China SAM bcos they will think our side to China and they will not happy. |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Dec 21 2015, 05:01 PM) Those are not big things like fighter jet The ATGM, MANPADS, etc are chinese copy/license production. |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:51 PM
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LOST KURDISTAN QUOTE War in Syria has for the second time in the last 10 years breathed life into the Kurdish national movement in the countries of the Middle East (the first time it occurred was after the American invasion of Iraq in 2003). Inhabitants of Western Kurdistan (Syria) are mostly resisting Islamic fighters supported by Turkey, and the “southerners” (Iraq) are cooperating with these militants. The clans of the Iranian Kurds, who are continuing their long-term game under the name “negotiations with Tehran” are meanwhile in a holding position.  QUOTE The denial to Damascus of centralized control over territories of the Syrian Kurds has become an inspiring example for their fellow tribesmen in Turkey. It reached such an extent that Ankara announced negotiations with their “historical enemy”, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (in the person of its leader Abdullah Ocalan, leaving his life term in Turkish prison). At the same time the Turkish government has decisively quarreled with Baghdad which is extremely dissatisfied with the fact that Turks are buying oil from the Iraqi Kurds in an “unsanctioned” manner. QUOTE According to some information, 60% of black gold extracted in Iraq belong to Iraqi Kurdistan, as well as adjacent Kurdish areas which are nominally under direct jurisdiction of Baghdad, but actually under control of the authorities in the Kurdish “capital” of Erbil. According to Article140 of the Iraq constitution, the future of conflict regions will be defined after conducting local referenda. But due to administrative confusion and political instability in the country which has lasted past the period of American occupation, this will hardly occur very soon. QUOTE “Between the Syrian Kurds and Assad, there are certain private arrangements. In exchange for loyalty, the President permitted them to control “their own” areas. In the Middle East this has long been an open secret, says Dr. Koteysh from Lebanese State University. — And it is totally appropriate that Kurds from Syria and Turkey are cooperating between themselves. QUOTE An ancient Kurdish proverb says: “Pain in all the fingers is identical, even though they are all different”. http://southfront.org/lost-kurdistan/ |
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Dec 21 2015, 05:56 PM
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Iraqi Army Wins Back 60 Percent of Ramadi City  QUOTE "60 percent of Ramadi is now under the control of the Iraqi forces and it has been purged of Takfiri terrorists," Raje Barakat, member of Anbar governor office's security committee, said, Fars news agency reported. QUOTE The Iraqi forces also managed to raise the Iraqi flag over the city's liberated areas after 4 days of intensified airstrikes on the militants’ positions in Ramadi, the agency said. http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151220...di-advance.html |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:05 PM
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On Sale Now — A Civilian Squad Machine Gun  QUOTE For almost 30 years the M-249 Squad Automatic Weapon has been the go-to light machine gun for U.S. Army infantry squads — and Marine Corps squads, too, until recently. And now you can walk into your local gun shop and purchase a semi-automatic M-249S SAW, a replica of the fully-automatic M-249. QUOTE The semi-automatic M-249S is made of the same components and to the same specs as the fully-auto M-249 but features a closed rather than open bolt and has a much lighter trigger pull of no more than 6.5 pounds, compared to the auto’s 15.7 pounds. It accepts the same belt or magazine ammunition. QUOTE “The M249S might not be fully automatic … but it comes with a slew of goodies that should get military-firearms enthusiasts’ hearts pumping,” Elwood Shelton wrote in GunDigest.com. Nick Leghorn at TheTruthAboutGuns.com reported that the M-249S was the most popular gun at the NRA Annual Meeting when it was previewed there in April. “[T]he talk of the show is the semi-auto M-249.” But it ain’t cheap. The M-249S sells for $7,999. http://warisboring.com/articles/on-sale-no...ad-machine-gun/ |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:13 PM
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Who Is Militarizing the South China Sea?  QUOTE China’s Deputy Foreign Minister Liu Zhenmin said at the East Asia Summit “One should never link the military facilities with efforts to militarize the South China Sea. This is a false argument. It is a consistent Chinese position to firmly oppose the militarization of the South China Sea.” QUOTE What about the bigger picture regarding the meaning of the term “militarization”? The U.S. – unlike China – already has military “places” if not bases in Southeast Asia, in its military allies the Philippines and Thailand, and more recently in Malaysia and Singapore for its Poseidon sub-hunters and electronic warfare platforms. QUOTE It does not deny that its military will utilize the facilities on the features it has built up and upon. Indeed, Liu has said that “as those islands and reefs are far from China’s mainland, it is necessary to build and maintain military facilities.” But no other claimant and occupier has denied that their military uses their features. QUOTE Perhaps the U.S. is only “crying wolf” to scare the Southeast Asian countries into its political and military embrace. If so, this is a dangerous tactic that could backfire and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. QUOTE What is clear is that “militarization” means different things to different nations. Countries that accuse others of it should define specifically what they mean. http://thediplomat.com/2015/12/who-is-mili...outh-china-sea/ |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:21 PM
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Syrian Democratic Forces begin a major offensive to capture the Tishreen Dam in Al-Raqqa  The U.S. backed “Syrian Democratic Forces” (SDF) – alongside the People’s Protection Units (YPG) – have launched a fresh offensive in the Al-Raqqa Governorate’s western countryside to capture the Tishreen Dam that separates the aforementioned province and the Aleppo Governorate. The primary objective for the Syrian Democratic Forces and the People’s Protection Units might be to capture the Tishreen Dam; however, the short-term objective is to seize the town of Sarrin in the Al-Raqqa Governorate’s northwestern countryside. Assisting the YPG and SDF from the air will be the Russian and U.S. Air Forces that are searching for any convoys or military movements from the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) near the village of Sarrin, the Tishreen Dam, and the ISIS stronghold of Menbeij. If the Syrian Democratic Forces capture Sarrin and the Tishreen Dam, they will be in positions to strike the ISIS stronghold of Menbeij in eastern Aleppo, marking the first time in nearly two years that this city has come under attack from any military force. Currently, ISIS is feeling the heat on several fronts, including the eastern Aleppo countryside, where the Syrian Arab Army’s “Tiger Forces” are currently pushing their way to the other ISIS stronghold of Deir Hafer. http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian...am-in-al-raqqa/ |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:27 PM) We bought our RPG-7, ATGM, Manpads, even MP-5 and MG-3 parts from Pakistan Those items was bought in urgent and most are surplus paki stocksIt was mahathir time when the deal was struck. If can, we would prefer russian origin instead of paki copies. Then again, time was urgent plus paki was cheaper as it was their surplus. Why the urgency, let just say it have to deal with china. Why paki? Because we have good relationship with them as follow muslim country and the best weapon to use against aggressor is with their own weapon. |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(thpace @ Dec 21 2015, 06:27 PM) Those items was bought in urgent and most are surplus paki stocks I don't think so. It's true thst we bought pakistan-made weapon due to both being major muslim countries, but that doesn't means we bought surplus stock from them.It was mahathir time when the deal was struck. If can, we would prefer russian origin instead of paki copies. Then again, time was urgent plus paki was cheaper as it was their surplus. Why the urgency, let just say it have to deal with china. Why paki? Because we have good relationship with them as follow muslim country and the best weapon to use against aggressor is with their own weapon. Besides, some of these equipment has their own merit. Pakistan RPG-7v, for example, uses plastics instead of wood/Bakelite(which means it's lighter), while the optical system uses 2-AA battery instead russian battteries like the one used in PSO-1 scope. Being cheap compared to equivalent systems is a major point as well. |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 06:37 PM) I don't think so. It's true thst we bought pakistan-made weapon due to both being major muslim countries, but that doesn't means we bought surplus stock from them. Take it with a pinch of salt. Btw paki launcher which we bought still have the wooden grip. Later variant was only plasticBesides, some of these equipment has their own merit. Pakistan RPG-7v, for example, uses plastics instead of wood/Bakelite(which means it's lighter), while the optical system uses 2-AA battery instead russian battteries like the one used in PSO-1 scope. Being cheap compared to equivalent systems is a major point as well. Check a few photo and you still can see the brown portion on the launcher How u think we can get that much in less than a year. Even russian production is not tat fast |
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Dec 21 2015, 06:46 PM
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Wooden grip yes, I'm talking about the tube jacket. It was made from fiberglass afaik. That's why it's lighter than other RPG-7V
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Dec 21 2015, 06:55 PM
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Putin ‘Seducing’ Iraq’s Tribes  QUOTE “Russia is serious in fighting terrorism and wants to finish the war as soon as possible, unlike the U.S.,” Faisal al-Asafi, a Sunni sheikh in Iraq’s Anbar province who opposes ISIS QUOTE “The first, armaments, in which we have contracts with Russia. From time to time, they send batches of weapons, ammunition and military supplies on quite a regular basis. The second area that has been agreed upon is the exchange of intelligence within the Quartet, which includes Iran and Syria.” QUOTE The first is a location close to the Khuld Hall, where the so-called Suqor, or “Hawks,” cell operates. Here, Iraqi spies exchange intelligence with their Russian counterparts, especially any information relating to the senior leaders and commanders of ISIS. QUOTE The second venue is the National Information Center, run by Lieutenant General Hussein Alasady. The Russians, sources tell The Daily Beast, keep their own major general there as a representative and liaison. Finally, Moscow has a presence within the General Secretariat of the Council of Ministers building, which is the nerve center of all of Iraq’s national security operations. QUOTE Needless to add, all of these organs are thoroughly penetrated by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps, which is responsible for arming and training the Hashd al-Shaabi and, to a lesser or greater degree, running Iraq’s war. QUOTE Hakim al-Zamili is commander of the Saraya al-Salam militia within the Hashd al-Shaabi, or Popular Mobilization Units—Iranian-backed Shia paramilitary forces which have been responsible for the bulk of the ground war against ISIS in Iraq. QUOTE A small number of tribesmen are currently partnering with pro-Iraqi forces, including the Hashd al-Shaabi, in an ongoing and long-delayed operation to liberate Ramadi, the provincial capital of Anbar, which fell to ISIS last summer. As such, Moscow has been courting the Anbari tribes most assiduously. QUOTE As one U.S. official said, “If you get in bed with the Russians, it doesn’t always end well.” http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...q-s-tribes.html |
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Dec 21 2015, 07:17 PM
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Israel completes trial of David's Sling which can destroy missiles over enemy territory  QUOTE The system was described by defense officials on Monday as "new and revolutionary in the family of interceptors in the world," enabling greater efficiency in dealing with aerial threats, as part of a multi-layered defense coverage that includes Iron Dome, Arrow 2, and Arrow 3 air defense batteries. David's Sling multi-mission radar was developed by ELTA, an IAI subsidiary, and its fire control station, dubbed Golden Almond, was built by Elisra, a part of Elbit Systems. http://m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation...TIwMjQ5RkRENTY= |
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Dec 21 2015, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Dec 21 2015, 04:51 PM) Typhoon Tranche 3 compared to Tranche 1 is like FA18 and F18, different beast. Anyway I'm joking, just fanboying over Typhoon... maybe we really should go Rafale its more developed and quite sexy too if had to choose between rafale or typhoon, i would choose typhoon it can carry more anti ship missile than the rafale better suit to our requirement to have maritime strikeIts ok tu kira not Pakistan... like iphone is not Chinese its just that Paki plane look weird next to these Russian/Western aircraftwhile the price of both fighter almost the same, plus we dont have to go everything french btw hehe |
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