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thpace
post Dec 21 2015, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 21 2015, 12:38 PM)
The problem is the government bussy scrapping money to pay 1mbddebts
Where got money but jets
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Depending who willing to offer the best deal.

Not to mention, any deal tat goes through most likely they will stop the 1mdb investigation. Either the europe or us, once the deal is striked, this matter will just sweep under carpet


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post Dec 21 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 21 2015, 12:40 PM)
But but those MIG21...ooopss... J17 cheap cheap wor
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For Strategic assets, the arm forces will prefer item from diff origin apart from who we might go against as well what restrictions might be imposed.

Same like the case of support ship, if we are getting the type 71, the rmn make it clear tat they will take the hull only with engine from mtu most likely and electronic and weapon system from else where apart from china. If and only if lah scenario


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post Dec 21 2015, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 21 2015, 12:40 PM)
But but those MIG21...ooopss... J17 cheap cheap wor
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Buy Kuwait f18 that even cheaper

QUOTE(thpace @ Dec 21 2015, 12:42 PM)
Depending who willing to offer the best deal.

Not to mention, any deal tat goes through most likely they will stop the 1mdb investigation. Either the europe or us, once the deal is striked, this matter will just sweep under carpet
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Money money.
Later but jet, barang naik again
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post Dec 21 2015, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 21 2015, 12:48 PM)
Buy Kuwait f18 that even cheaper
Money money.
Later but jet, barang naik again
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Might even give free if we join the fight against isis...

Money not even have for downpayment..
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post Dec 21 2015, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 21 2015, 12:48 PM)
Buy Kuwait f18 that even cheaper
Money money.
Later but jet, barang naik again
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Speaking of which... the Kuwaitis confirmed going for typhoon or superbug?
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post Dec 21 2015, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Dec 21 2015, 01:20 PM)
Might even give free if we join the fight against isis...

Money not even have for downpayment..
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Probably.

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 21 2015, 01:21 PM)
Speaking of which... the Kuwaitis confirmed going for typhoon or superbug?
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Typhoon and signed agreement and very expensive.
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post Dec 21 2015, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Dec 21 2015, 11:33 AM)
Mai gott... We've sunk down to buying Pakistani planes... to go with our top of the line F18s, SU30s and (fairly acceptable) Hawk 208s...

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JF17 (FC17) anyway still better than hawk 208, specially FC17 block 3 will include Aesa radar which currently in develop/test in china. even they target better than FA-50.

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post Dec 21 2015, 02:27 PM

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Selamat Jalan, Fulcrum? A Photo Tribute

Marhalim Abas December 21, 2015 Malaysia - RMAF

SHAH ALAM: SELAMAT jalan, Fulcrum? With less than 10 days to go before the new year, there is still no word from RMAF whether or not it will retire its Mig-29N Fulcrum fleet. We know however that there is no upgrade planned for the fleet which will extend their service lives.

With the defence budget coming under pressure due to the uncertain economic conditions, it is likely that RMAF had already made its choice. As I have written before due to the sensitivity of the issue no announcement will be made. As the old ballad says: “An old soldier never dies, they just fade away”.

And no, we are not buying the JF-17 from Pakistan, despite reports to the contrary.

As this a photo tribute, I am posting a slew of pictures of the Fulcrums. Some are from my own collection while others courtesy of many Google search especially the air-to-air ones of course.

During my research for this post, I found that many of the images of the Fulcrums on the Internet were the same ones. I cannot find any images of the tail number 17 and 07, which were lost in crashes in 1998 and 2004, respectively.

If you have them or know the link to the images and others not featured here namely 05,06,13,14 and 15, please do so in the comments section.

The Fulcrum with the most images on the Internet is of course the M43-03 as pictured above. I am not sure whether its the same air-frame through out the years. Perhaps it is a couple of Fulcrum air-frames marked as O3 along the years. I could be wrong though I must concede.

And last but not least, a picture of a Fulcrum flying with a US Navy Tomcat. The picture was probably taken in 2004 prior to the retirement of the latter.

For all the men and women who fly and maintained the Fulcrums, through-out the years, thank you for your service. As for the Fulcrums, Paka…


http://www.malaysiandefence.com/selamat-jalan-fulcrum/
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post Dec 21 2015, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Dec 21 2015, 02:00 PM)
JF17 (FC17) anyway still better than hawk 208, specially FC17 block 3 will include Aesa radar which currently in develop/test in china. even they target better than FA-50.
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PLAAF also dun wanna use it themselves.
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post Dec 21 2015, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 21 2015, 02:28 PM)
PLAAF also dun wanna use it themselves.
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JF17 is oversea Pakistan AF project, is fund by Pakistan Gov,
so not related to China airforce. sure china PLAAF not ordr it.
plus FC17 never design to meet spec PLAAF requirement in mind.
same to J-31/FC31, also not funding by PLAAF. just purely AVIC own project.
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post Dec 21 2015, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Dec 21 2015, 02:49 PM)
JF17 is oversea Pakistan AF project, is fund by Pakistan Gov,
so not related to China airforce. sure china PLAAF not ordr it.
plus FC17 never design to meet spec PLAAF requirement in mind.
same to J-31/FC31, also not funding by PLAAF. just purely AVIC  own project.
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In June 1999, the contract to jointly develop and produce the Chengdu FC-1/Super 7 was signed. The project was to be a 50:50 partnership; the air forces of both countries would be committed to ordering the fighter.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

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post Dec 21 2015, 02:56 PM

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Looks like Ukraine is having trouble supplying Thailand their T-84 Oplot-M. Thailand is now looking alternative MBT by visiting Norinco - China looking at the MBT-3000 MBT and also visiting Uralvagonzavod - Russia looking at the T-90 MBT.

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Thailand delegation at Norinco.


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Thailand delegation at Uralvagonzavod.


http://aagth1.blogspot.co.id/2015/12/blog-post.html
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post Dec 21 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 21 2015, 02:54 PM)
well oversea people just read wiki is not correct what china term.
is just chengdu aircraft sign with Pakistan,not even PLAAF present. chengdu aircraft company it self invest 50%, not related to China Gov or PLAAF
reality is every familiar with china military will know.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Dec 21 2015, 03:03 PM)
well oversea people just read wiki is not correct what china term.
is just chengdu aircraft sign with Pakistan,not even PLAAF present. chengdu it self invest 50%, not related to China Gov or PLAAF
reality is every familiar with china military will know.
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Those military talk (kok) show on TV in Taipei also say the same.... that its JV between the 2 gomen and paki tak syiok PLAAF not buying.
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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 21 2015, 02:56 PM)
Looks like Ukraine is having trouble supplying Thailand their T-84 Oplot-M. Thailand is now looking alternative MBT by visiting Norinco - China looking at the MBT-3000 MBT and also visiting Uralvagonzavod - Russia looking at the T-90 MBT.


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good move, we should get MBT-3000 too.
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post Dec 21 2015, 03:21 PM

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No, we should continue investing in ATGMs and put aside money for medium SAMs. The way its going, no offence but we can't rely on TUDM for air cover. And Syria and Yemen has shown that tank armour (well, excepting the full spec NATO/Russian armour) just can't beat ATGMs.

Speaking of tokok show... when I was in Beijing I had a look at their military channel... brainwash more than RTM mang
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:07 PM

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If they're going to buy up to 36 MRCA, I don't have problem with them retiring the Migs.

Rafale offer sounds good tbh. Not just we're going to get a navalized Rafale, but also M-346 for free (It's high time to retire the 108s anyway)
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Dec 21 2015, 11:33 AM)
Mai gott... We've sunk down to buying Pakistani planes... to go with our top of the line F18s, SU30s and (fairly acceptable) Hawk 208s...

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I don't suppose you know that we bought plenty of stuff from Pakistan.
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:16 PM)
I don't suppose you know that we bought plenty of stuff from Pakistan.
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Really what? *brace for impact*

QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Dec 21 2015, 04:07 PM)
If they're going to buy up to 36 MRCA, I don't have problem with them retiring the Migs.

Rafale offer sounds good tbh. Not just we're going to get a navalized Rafale, but also M-346 for free (It's high time to retire the 108s anyway)
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Bbbbut.... India Mindef says Rafale and Typhoon deal lebih kurang same price, when support etc all included...

I wants my Typhoons sad.gif
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post Dec 21 2015, 04:27 PM

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We bought our RPG-7, ATGM, Manpads, even MP-5 and MG-3 parts from Pakistan

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