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Bombgen
post Feb 26 2016, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Feb 26 2016, 10:45 AM)
Stealthiness also depends on the plane's pitch, roll and yaw. In this position and with the weapon bay open, F-22 appears clearly on any radar system

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If that position perpendicular to radar wave no need weapon bay also can detect haha..
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post Feb 26 2016, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Feb 26 2016, 10:48 AM)
If that position perpendicular to radar wave no need weapon bay also can detect haha..
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Of course...it looks like a huge sail, but with the bay open, the stealthiness further degraded, because the interior of the bay has no RAM.

It's an extreme case of the "unstealthiness" of F-22
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post Feb 26 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(caksz @ Feb 26 2016, 10:48 AM)
CN-235 TUDM  crash sad.gif
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:03 AM

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RMAF aircraft crash lands along Kuala Selangor coastline

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A Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) aircraft crash landed along the Kuala Selangor coastline around 8.50am today. The CN235 transport plane, based in Subang, was carrying eight people. All eight on board were reported safe, after being assisted by local fishermen, said RMAF in a statement today.

It said the RMAF will establish an investigation team to identify the cause of the incident. "The RMAF will also conduct recovery efforts for the aircraft," it said. Kuala Selangor police had earlier said that the plane was a light aircraft and that it had crashed along the Kuala Selangor coastline. The Kuala Selangor Fire and Rescue Department received the emergency call at 8.40am.


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post Feb 26 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 26 2016, 11:03 AM)
RMAF aircraft crash lands along Kuala Selangor coastline

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post Feb 26 2016, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 26 2016, 10:03 AM)
RMAF aircraft crash lands along Kuala Selangor coastline

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glad to know that they had managed save ditching
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:15 AM

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Kopak nih ... kene beli lagi 5 .
All safe is a very good news.
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:25 AM

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alhamdullilah....no one is hurt
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Feb 26 2016, 12:27 PM)
Yes. There even passive radar, X-Wave radar, and many more that can easily detect "stealth" fighter. Haha.. Trillions dollar down the drain..or maybe, just maybe, there are actually an actual true stealth aircraft that we dont know..maybe next 20 year only they reveal..huhu
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it doesnt work that way... any weapon system there's surely a weakness... there's ultimate weapon... f-22s dont just go in alone blindly... any denial airspace would be taken out before these planes go in..
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post Feb 26 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 26 2016, 11:03 AM)
RMAF aircraft crash lands along Kuala Selangor coastline

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Glad that all crew & passengers are safe.

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post Feb 26 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(caksz @ Feb 26 2016, 11:15 AM)
Kopak nih ... kene beli lagi 5 .
All safe is a very good news.
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can get new CN-235 with glass cockpit ...... biggrin.gif
crew is safe is more importance ..





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post Feb 26 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 26 2016, 11:26 AM)
it doesnt work that way... any weapon system there's surely a weakness... there's ultimate weapon... f-22s dont just go in alone blindly... any denial airspace would be taken out before these planes go in..
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Go where liao? F-22 is for air superiority, not into deep enemy territory.

Yes they are not go alone, thats why I said trillions dollar down to the drain. Might as well re-equipped/re-modernized current aircraft to fit to such missions. (They are actually doing it now) , but still, trillions down to the drain rclxms.gif

I'm talking about cost effectiveness here. Even American agreed.

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post Feb 26 2016, 11:42 AM

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Russia’s 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade was responsible for MH17 disaster

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The Bellingcat team of investigative citizen journalists have published a new report into the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. The team concluded that the Buk unit that fired the missile was from Russia’s 2nd Battalion of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade.

In its 115-page report entitled “MH17 – Potential Suspects and Witnesses from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade”, the team identified dozens of officers and men from the unit, whom they believe will shed more clues on the incident.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-euro...53rd-report-en/

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post Feb 26 2016, 12:06 PM

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Semua 8 kru CN235 selamat - TUDM.

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post Feb 26 2016, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Feb 26 2016, 11:42 AM)
Russia’s 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade was responsible for MH17 disaster

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The Bellingcat team of investigative citizen journalists have published a new report into the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17. The team concluded that the Buk unit that fired the missile was from Russia’s 2nd Battalion of the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade.

In its 115-page report entitled “MH17 – Potential Suspects and Witnesses from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade”, the team identified dozens of officers and men from the unit, whom they believe will shed more clues on the incident.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-euro...53rd-report-en/
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Haha even Dutch investigative team cannot say for certain who MH17 shot down. And I would prefer their report over some random blogger's word. laugh.gif
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post Feb 26 2016, 12:29 PM

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post Feb 26 2016, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Feb 26 2016, 08:03 AM)
Russia’s newest fighter jet is fifth-generation ‘in-name-only’

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http://www.businessinsider.my/russias-newe...X3Tb3748iTCu.97
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Lol'ed
Have they done a throughly research before writing it.
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post Feb 26 2016, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 26 2016, 10:14 AM)
Well, actually its relatively possible to detect stealth technology. Certain wavelength of radar waves, using different radar transmitter and receiver stations all can possibly detect stealth aircraft.

You can also look for disturbances the aircraft causes in the atmosphere rather than looking for the aircraft itself. You can potentially use a Schlieren telescope to detect the movement of atmospheric disturbances as a stealth aircraft moves through the atmosphere.

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A photograph of a fighter jet's atmospheric disturbances taken from a Schlieren telescope

Basic radar computers and tech are also increasing in complexity and capability, so its entirely possible even basic modern radars can already detect older 1980's-level stealth technology.
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Stealth plane are not completely invisible on radar to begin with, most of the stealth tech are to reduce the radar optimal detection range on the aircraft.
The closer the distance btw stealth aircraft and radar the higher the chances it will be detected.
Even during ops desert storm having f117 going into mission required pain staking effort estimating radar coverage and finding best routes for minimal radar exposures.

The true stealth technology like plasma stealth and active radar cancellation technology are still not fully developed yet.

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post Feb 26 2016, 12:55 PM

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Test flight of the new CN-235 MPA for the Indonesian Air Force at PT DI facility. Credit to Rian Prasetyo.

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post Feb 26 2016, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Feb 26 2016, 11:36 AM)
Go where liao? F-22 is for air superiority, not into deep enemy territory.

Yes they are not go alone, thats why I said trillions dollar down to the drain. Might as well re-equipped/re-modernized current aircraft to fit to such missions. (They are actually doing it now) , but still, trillions down to the drain  rclxms.gif

I'm talking about cost effectiveness here. Even American agreed.
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honestly the current stealth tech is developed in the 80s and the 90s, so the tech is ady kinda outdated by the time it comes out of the factory floor


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