Stealth plane are not completely invisible on radar to begin with, most of the stealth tech are to reduce the radar optimal detection range on the aircraft.
The closer the distance btw stealth aircraft and radar the higher the chances it will be detected.
Even during ops desert storm having f117 going into mission required pain staking effort estimating radar coverage and finding best routes for minimal radar exposures.

The true stealth technology like plasma stealth and active radar cancellation technology are still not fully developed yet.

Keyword, as the article says, is getting targeting locks. But WIB say anything about F35 don't need need hear IMO...

I thought current stealth is to reduce radar signature and give back wrong info..but the more signatures of such planes are collected through time, the more update the radar software can be updated to ID it.

No plane is radar proof right?

Soviet and China style air forces are very big on ground radar-controlled fighter deployments. So they have the advantage of having a bigger picture than individual fighter squadrons acting on it alone without AWACS. So ground controller can potentially 'see' better and have a clearer view of the situation than its fighters the air and guide them to their targets accordingly.

History has shown many examples of 'obsolete' fighters taking on state-of-the-art fighters and shown at least parity with them, with the help of ground controllers.

Soviet and China style air forces are very big on ground radar-controlled fighter deployments. So they have the advantage of having a bigger picture than individual fighter squadrons acting on it alone without AWACS. So ground controller can potentially 'see' better and have a clearer view of the situation than its fighters the air and guide them to their targets accordingly.

History has shown many examples of 'obsolete' fighters taking on state-of-the-art fighters and shown at least parity with them, with the help of ground controllers.

Currently hardly any stealth fighter/bomber going to be first to attack.
It usually start with a massive ew and cruise missile spamming for sead ops.
But than again these strategy only work against smaller country.
How well it will perform against russian and china is a big question.

Yup currently all known plane is no radar proof.
Yes stealth technology is to reduce rcs by the means of using shape designed, radar absorbance material, reduce heat signature and reduce electronic emissions.
Rather than giving back wrong info, it rather avoid and divert radar wave away but it still can be detect if get close enough.
Sure you can collect signature of such planes but the problem is you can only detect it if was close enough to your radar. But with signit and proper mission planning the aircraft would just slip through your radar system and all sort of early warning system.
For example a visby class stealth ship it have been said radar can only detect it within a range of 50km.

Currently hardly any stealth fighter/bomber going to be first to attack.
It usually start with a massive ew and cruise missile spamming for sead ops.
But than again these strategy only work against smaller country.
How well it will perform against russian and china is a big question.

Good thing for China is that they are (for now) limiting their battlefield only up to the second island chain. This is so they can better concentrate its resources to deploy to that space intsead of being spread out over a wider area. They probably have zeroed every long-range weapon they have onto that sector.



People have wondered why they haven't spread out into a more global role. I say they currently feel they are still not ready, so for now they are concentrating everything they have in that relatively small part of the pacific ocean. When they have better equipment and more numbers, I'll bet they will spread out then.

why not? just back to Cold War ops.

damnit, our quiet corner of the world suddenly not so quiet

Lol'ed
Have they done a throughly research before writing it.

Haha even Dutch investigative team cannot say for certain who MH17 shot down. And I would prefer their report over some random blogger's word.

Lol'ed
Have they done a throughly research before writing it.

Friday, 26 February 2016 | MYT 2:00 PM

Cops: Engine failure forced RMAF plane to make emergency landing

by nicholas cheng

KUALA SELANGOR: A case of engine failure forced the crashed Royal Malaysia Air Force (RMAF) aircraft to attempt an emergency landing on a swampy beach here Friday morning, say police.

The twin-engine plane left the Subang Air Force Base at about 8.30am for a routine training session and issued a mayday about 10 minutes into the flight.

The crew, led by pilot Major Mohd Azri Yacob, 41, then made an emergency landing in shallow waters in a swampy beach area near Taman Malawati Utama.

A fire broke out in the mid-section of the light plane upon impact.

Co-pilot Major Ahmad Syazwan Mohammed, 32, broke his left arm during the incident, while the rest of the crew escaped without major injuries.

Kuala Selangor OCPD Supt Ruslan Abdullah said that a fisherman drowned while trying to help them out of the CN235 aircraft.

He said that the fisherman, part of a group around the area at the time who rushed to give help, drowned because his foot got stuck in the mud.

Those on the plane were Major Muhamed Afizan Jaafar, 32; Capt Nurul Azrie Rofdi, 32; Leftenan Meor Ahmad Ali Meor Abdul Wahab, 26; Warrant Officer 2 Muhd Sayfull Neezam Abdul Manan, 35; Sergeant David Tonge, 35 and Sergeant Suhaila Pathil, 33.

The crew and the deceased fisherman were brought to the Tanjong Karang Hospital and the RMAF officers were flown back to the Subang base.

"RMAF are investigating the cause of the accident and will remove the plane from the crash site, which has become stuck in the sand.

"It could take up to two days. The police and Bomba will remain here to render any help to RMAF," Supt Ruslan said.

Taman Malawati Utama resident Zulkifli Mat Sakam, who lives about 500m from the crash site, said RMAF jets flying over his neighbourhood was a common sight.

"I was in my house at about eight in the morning when I heard a very strange noise – not an explosion but more like an object hitting the ground.

"Then I went out and I saw a lot of smoke coming from there.

"I was shocked when I heard it was a plane! They fly here everyday – even when it is raining – and there have never been any accidents before," said the 36-year-old teacher.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...rgency-landing/

^^^ Condolences to the fisherman's family.

I think...I agree with the article. PAK FA can get its 5th status when it has used izdeliye 30 engine and Byelka radar

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...rgency-landing/

^^^ Condolences to the fisherman's family.

A new missile frigate named Xiangtan was commissioned by China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) on Wednesday in the east China island city of Zhoushan.

Xiangtan is a new-generation missile frigates designed and made by China. With the hull number 531, Xiangtan is 140 meters long and 16 meters wide, and its displacement is more than 4,000 tonnes.

The missile frigate is one of PLAN's new generation main battle warships. It can attack enemy ships and submarines alone or in coordination with other naval forces. It has strong remote surveillance and anti-aircraft combat abilities.

China continues to arm all of the bases they have reclaimed in the South China Sea, they will change the operational landscape in the region," Harris told Pentagon reporters.

"Short of war with the United States, China will exercise de facto control of the South China Sea."

Beijing appears to be preparing what is known as an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the entire South China Sea

"It's very clear to me that those capabilities that are being developed are intended to limit our ability to move into the Pacific or to operate freely within the Pacific, and we call that anti-access, aerial-denial capabilities," Dunford told the US House Appropriations Committee.

"Old allies, like Japan, South Korea, Australia and the Philippines, and then new partners, like Vietnam and India, that are working with us increasingly,"

Many attacks have used Paveway guided bombs and Hellfire missiles, while advanced Brimstone missiles - which cost more than £100,000 each and which Prime Minister David Cameron said would make a "meaningful difference" - have been used sparingly.

“As of 18 February there have been 33 successful strikes,” she said. “Our tasking and targeting is led by the coalition. The Americans are in charge of the task list – they assign tasks to coalition members to ensure maximum effectiveness.

The Brimstone is expensive and it is a good thing that it's being used sparingly - I don't think profligate use would indicate seriousness of intent or prudent strategy."