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TSwil-i-am
post Dec 2 2015, 09:19 AM, updated 10y ago

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v1 : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3461956/+2500
v2 : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3704916

2014
8/9/2014 - 3.1740
2/12/2014 - 3.4240
31/12/2014 - 3.4965

2015
2/1/2015 - 3.5160
31/3/2015 - 3.7035
30/6/2015 - 3.7730
31/7/2015 - 3.8245
28/8/2015 - 4.2000
8/9/2015 - 4.3385 (v2 commenced)
30/9/2015 - 4.3955
30/10/2015 - 4.2960
30/11/2015 - 4.2640
2/12/2015 - 4.2325 (v3 commenced)
16/12/2015 - 4.3250
17/12/2015 - 4.3135 (US Fed Reserve increase int rate)
31/12/2015 - 4.2935

2016
4/1/2016 - 4.3490
29/1/2016 - 4.1550
29/2/2016 - 4.2050
31/3/2016 - 3.9020
29/4/2016 - 3.9035
31/5/2016 - 4.1290
30/6/2016 - 4.0225

*29/9/2015 - 4.4565 (Highest)

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post Dec 2 2015, 10:21 AM

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real value is dropping these days by the bombs
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(justaregularjoe @ Dec 2 2015, 10:21 AM)
real value is dropping these days by the bombs
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You talking about RM or USD dropping?
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:52 AM

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anyway RM is increasing abit la!! it take time.. our economy will be better at 2016.
I guess najib had fullfil his promise.. give him 6 month period on June
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 2 2015, 10:41 AM)
You talking about RM or USD dropping?
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i am talking about both currency, look at how yuan is entering sdr and the brics nation buying tonnes and tonnes of gold. this will do no good for the future for the U.S. luckily our leader sapu all, we have lots of deal with china too, this might be better for rm for the long run, but who knows when the next 1mdb will come and price of goods and services will just keep increasing.
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:57 AM

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this is why whatever you earn will just eat up by inflation day by day. (thus real value of money goes down) (even yearly increments can beat the real inflation and not to mention those idiots who have tonnes of liablity thinking it is asset, when the shit falls everyone is going to wake up)
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post Dec 2 2015, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(norasarah @ Dec 2 2015, 10:52 AM)
anyway RM is increasing abit la!! it take time.. our economy will be better at 2016.
I guess najib had fullfil his promise.. give him 6 month period on June
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maybe 1mdb asset sale to foreigners explained rm 4.3->4.2 = 2.3%.

if did nothing but just go, recovery could have doubled or tripled.

QUOTE(justaregularjoe @ Dec 2 2015, 10:55 AM)
i am talking about both currency, look at how yuan is entering sdr and the brics nation buying tonnes and tonnes of gold. this will do no good for the future for the U.S. luckily our leader sapu all, we have lots of deal with china too, this might be better for rm for the long run, but who knows when the next 1mdb will come and price of goods and services will just keep increasing.
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not sure what u are proposing or just venting. biggrin.gif

all currencies depr over time against a basket of goods for consumption - that's an inherent part of our man-made capitalist system can sustains on growth and inflation.

gold and diamonds are no guarantee as we have seen enough.

stocks and bonds have risks.

can't be overly depressed.... just have to keep going, try to incr earnings and diversify as much as possible.



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post Dec 2 2015, 12:41 PM

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ForexTime Ltd, an international foreign exchange broker, has suggested Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) increase its interest rates to encourage more investors to hold more money in the market and strengthen the ringgit.

Vice President of Corporate Development and Chief Market Analyst, Jameel Ahmad, said once the ringgit rebounded, it could limit the pressure on the currency, the local economy and make goods importation cheaper.
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post Dec 2 2015, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 2 2015, 04:00 PM)
ForexTime Ltd, an international foreign exchange broker, has suggested Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) increase its interest rates to encourage more investors to hold more money in the market and strengthen the ringgit.

Vice President of Corporate Development and Chief Market Analyst, Jameel Ahmad, said once the ringgit rebounded, it could limit the pressure on the currency, the local economy and make goods importation cheaper.
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that makes economic sense but not political sense as millions of voting m'sians have hundreds of billions of debt to repay.

everything here now is driven by politics. so, will not happen.

meaning the rm is going nowhere. 4.20-4.30.

until fed hike becomes reality and/or oil price moves dramatically.
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post Dec 2 2015, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 2 2015, 06:28 PM)
that makes economic sense but not political sense as millions of voting m'sians have hundreds of billions of debt to repay.

everything here now is driven by politics. so, will not happen.

meaning the rm is going nowhere. 4.20-4.30.

until fed hike becomes reality and/or oil price moves dramatically.
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yeah, true. Malaysian have one of the highest household debt flex.gif

looks like kinda hard to go below 4.20 sad.gif
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post Dec 2 2015, 09:42 PM

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BNM closing rate on 1/12 n 2/12 is the same @ 4.2325
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post Dec 2 2015, 11:45 PM

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Morgan Stanley forecasts that USD/MYR will hit 5.0 in 2016 shocking.gif ohmy.gif

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post Dec 3 2015, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 2 2015, 11:45 PM)
Morgan Stanley forecasts that USD/MYR will hit 5.0 in 2016  shocking.gif  ohmy.gif
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in a perfect storm, yes.

crude 35, fed rate hike(s), low gdp growth, int rate cut, incr budget deficit, more debt, more wastage, more songlap... tongue.gif



crude now about to crash below 40.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 2 2015, 11:45 PM)
Morgan Stanley forecasts that USD/MYR will hit 5.0 in 2016  shocking.gif  ohmy.gif


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Looks like MYR is the worst. We will see if forecast is spot on in 4weeks time. Baht is stable.
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post Dec 3 2015, 09:48 AM

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...abilise-ringgit

I bet that China will get the HSR project too. Would that help too?
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post Dec 3 2015, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 3 2015, 12:03 PM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...abilise-ringgit

I bet that China will get the HSR project too. Would that help too?
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I wud reckon HSR project is a given to China
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post Dec 3 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 02:31 AM)
in a perfect storm, yes.

crude 35, fed rate hike(s), low gdp growth, int rate cut, incr budget deficit, more debt, more wastage, more songlap... tongue.gif
crude now about to crash below 40.
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Time to long USD
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 3 2015, 12:03 PM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...abilise-ringgit

I bet that China will get the HSR project too. Would that help too?
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heard they ask for 50 years concession without any gomen funding / guarantee hmm.gif
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2015, 06:46 PM)
heard they ask for 50 years concession without any gomen funding / guarantee  hmm.gif
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I think China will 'sapu' all major projects including the GeMAS-JB double-track, Nuclear power plant. tongue.gif

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RM appreciates from last week's closing price

Something is happening behind the scene. Or it must be some magic in play rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 3 2015, 12:03 PM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...abilise-ringgit

I bet that China will get the HSR project too. Would that help too?
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redshirts approve or not? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM)
I think China will 'sapu' all major projects including the GeMAS-JB double-track, Nuclear power plant. tongue.gif
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Nuclear power plant I can guarantee.

u think why they bought over Edra Energy sweat.gif
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post Dec 3 2015, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM)
Oil 39.94

RM appreciates from last week's closing price

Something is happening behind the scene. Or it must be some magic in play  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Illusion is in progress brows.gif
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post Dec 3 2015, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM)
redshirts approve or not? tongue.gif
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if can save Bolehland economy. why not blush.gif

PRC ke arah kuasa besar dunia flex.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM)
Oil 39.94

RM appreciates from last week's closing price

Something is happening behind the scene. Or it must be some magic in play  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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no la.. crude now 40.50, brent 43.40.

we'll have to see post dec 4 opec meeting outcome.

for now, that is remnant effect of 1mdb power asset sale to foreigner, will be there until cash is received in jan... march?

can sell more prime assets like that to any foreigner, rm will surely improve.

which one is next up for sale "save them"?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 07:03 PM)
that is remnant effect of 1mdb power asset sale to foreigner, will be there until cash is received in jan... march?

can sell more prime assets like that to any foreigner, rm will surely improve.

which one is next up for sale "save them"?
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Bandar Malaysia?

2 foreign parties & 1 GLC in final bidding blush.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2015, 07:06 PM)
Bandar Malaysia?

2 foreign parties & 1 GLC in final bidding  blush.gif
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actually can sell more, anything, big chance now.


support very good, new draconian laws as silencer.

all are happy, only pendatangs complaining. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 2 2015, 11:45 PM)
Morgan Stanley forecasts that USD/MYR will hit 5.0 in 2016  shocking.gif  ohmy.gif

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The table actually shows the USD strengthening against most of the currencies really.
Not sure how accurate a one year forecast would be though.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 06:53 PM)
redshirts approve or not? tongue.gif
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They will approve anything cos they only see moolah in the pocket, other factors are just excuse.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...rns-in-malaysia

Invasion of the Reds.

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2 Dec 2015 12:50 UTC - 3 Dec 2015 12:56 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.21599 low:4.21469 high:4.26173

Gonna test 4.20 tomorrow
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 3 2015, 06:57 PM)
Illusion is in progress  brows.gif
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Really cannot brain tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 07:03 PM)
no la.. crude now 40.50, brent 43.40.

we'll have to see post dec 4 opec meeting outcome.

for now, that is remnant effect of 1mdb power asset sale to foreigner, will be there until cash is received in jan... march?

can sell more prime assets like that to any foreigner, rm will surely improve.

which one is next up for sale "save them"?
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Just when I thought RM has correlation to certain commodity and news, it worked just the other way round tongue.gif

I have seen many economists from different banks telling the same reason previously, but when their theory doesn't work, they come up with another theory to justify the direction. Those bankers really SKL tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 3 2015, 09:02 PM)
Just when I thought RM has correlation to certain commodity and news, it worked just the other way round  tongue.gif

I have seen many economists from different banks telling the same reason previously, but when their theory doesn't work, they come up with another theory to justify the direction. Those bankers really SKL  tongue.gif
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Most of the time, market forces overwrite fundamentals
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 3 2015, 09:06 PM)
Most of the time, market forces overwrite fundamentals
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Ya. Most of the time market reacts the opposite. If not, economists will be the richest person tongue.gif
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now good time to change some usd to myr?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 3 2015, 09:02 PM)
Just when I thought RM has correlation to certain commodity and news, it worked just the other way round  tongue.gif

I have seen many economists from different banks telling the same reason previously, but when their theory doesn't work, they come up with another theory to justify the direction. Those bankers really SKL  tongue.gif
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just shout when i can buy usd1 with rm4.15.

on standby. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 10:42 PM)
just shout when i can buy usd1 with rm4.15.

on standby. laugh.gif
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Y shout when can PM tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 10:42 PM)
just shout when i can buy usd1 with rm4.15.

on standby. laugh.gif
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rm4.15 is becoming reality soon blush.gif
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Hope can go back to RM3.80
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2015, 10:49 PM)
rm4.15 is becoming reality soon  blush.gif
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Shhh. Don't say anything. Last time we say RM4.10, straight away go up
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 3 2015, 11:04 PM)
Shhh. Don't say anything. Last time we say RM4.10, straight away go up
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yeah. so true cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(techmania @ Dec 3 2015, 10:59 PM)
Hope can go back to RM3.80
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well I also hope the same thing.

actually tat the "true value" of myr, but because of some "scandals" & "issues", it went beyond rm4 mad.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 3 2015, 11:04 PM)
Shhh. Don't say anything. Last time we say RM4.10, straight away go up
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Did u capitalize?
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Did u capitalize?
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I don't do forex or hold US notes. What I did was quickly do my online US shopping. rclxms.gif biggrin.gif
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don't buy fx, keep rm - the banks are really keen to have yr money.

fd rates going higher!

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(1) Affin 15 months at 4.6% - valid until end of Dec
(2) OCBC 12 months at 4.5% - valid until end of Dec
(3) UOB 12 months at 4.4% - valid until end of Dec
(4) RHB 15 months at 4.4% - valid until March 2016
(5) Public Bank 12 months at 4.3% - valid until end of Dec

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 11:40 PM)
don't buy fx, keep rm - the banks are really keen to have yr money.

fd rates going higher!
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Do u think the stated int rate can beat inflation rate?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2015, 11:40 PM)
don't buy fx, keep rm - the banks are really keen to have yr money.

fd rates going higher!
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if not mistaken, someone mention deposit growth rate is lower than loans. thus now the rush to secure deposits blush.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 3 2015, 11:48 PM)
Do u think the stated int rate can beat inflation rate?
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no, i don't think so.

but that's not the point. biggrin.gif

the point is... if you serioulsy think rm will strengthen good, put in fd with 4.5% now.

rm strengthen, you can buy more usd in a yr's time.

compared to buying now, pay more rm and get no int, correct? tongue.gif
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USD/MYR close:4.20497 low:4.20400 high:4.26002

Gonna break 4.20 resistance soon...

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 4 2015, 08:11 AM)
3 Dec 2015 00:00 UTC - 4 Dec 2015 00:07 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.20497 low:4.20400 high:4.26002

Gonna break 4.20 resistance soon...
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I am betting it will run out of steam soon as seen previously. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 4 2015, 08:29 AM)
I am betting it will run out of steam soon as seen previously. sad.gif
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looks like around 4.15-4.2 is somewhere the limit for now..can't go any further until bijan has more plan
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ringgit-to-halt-decline-in-2016-say-forex-experts

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...y-forex-experts

Lets say USD/MYR ding-dong around ~4.40 for the next couple of years, better to keep MYR in FD than USD?

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 4 2015, 08:38 AM)
looks like around 4.15-4.2 is somewhere the limit for now..can't go any further until bijan has more plan
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yeah.. Kinda hard to reach 4.10 level
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 4 2015, 08:49 AM)
ringgit-to-halt-decline-in-2016-say-forex-experts

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...y-forex-experts

Lets say USD/MYR ding-dong around ~4.40 for the next couple of years, better to keep MYR in FD than USD?
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If that's the case, better but usd when it's 4.1 and sell when it's 4.4. (talking about cash). Can make a gain of about 6% each time. If it happen 2x/year, one gains 12% just by doing that
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 4 2015, 08:29 AM)
I am betting it will run out of steam soon as seen previously. sad.gif
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Past trend is not an indicative of future trend brows.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 4 2015, 09:31 AM)
Past trend is not an indicative of future trend  brows.gif
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Usd-rm hovering around 4.4-4.1
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 4 2015, 09:12 AM)
If that's the case, better but usd when it's 4.1 and sell when it's 4.4. (talking about cash). Can make a gain of about 6% each time. If it happen 2x/year, one gains 12% just by doing that
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hmm better to do tis kind of 'trading'. More profit. Hehehe
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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 4 2015, 08:49 AM)
ringgit-to-halt-decline-in-2016-say-forex-experts

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...y-forex-experts

Lets say USD/MYR ding-dong around ~4.40 for the next couple of years, better to keep MYR in FD than USD?
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while waiting for rm to go to 4.10 or 4.40, don't lose sight of the broader markets if investing in foreign equities.

european bourses, dow, japan, china all in a rout last night/today - developments in ecb and fed.

if the rout continues, getting cheaper fx but losing in these equities is bad news while paying a bit more in fx to buy them at good discounts can be rewarding in the end.
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USD/MYR close:4.21533 low:4.19711 high:4.24905

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 4 2015, 10:55 AM)
while waiting for rm to go to 4.10 or 4.40, don't lose sight of the broader markets if investing in foreign equities.

european bourses, dow, japan, china all in a rout last night/today - developments in ecb and fed.

if the rout continues, getting cheaper fx but losing in these equities is bad news while paying a bit more in fx to buy them at good discounts can be rewarding in the end.
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Those interested in the Aussie may want to read this:

Draghi Pulls the Rug from Under Aussie Banks






•Where do banks get money to loan?
•Debt deflation on the edge of Europe
•An affront to nature


By Greg Canavan in Albert Park

--Investing in a world of interventionist central bankers is fraught with danger. You never know what these clowns will come up with.

--Last night, European Central Bank boss Mario Draghi disappointed the speculators. He ‘only’ dropped the benchmark interest rate by 10 basis points (to minus 0.3%) and ‘only’ extended the €60 billion per month QE program by six months.

--Given Draghi spent the prior month talking up his fight against deflation, the market had already priced in a much stronger announcement. They left disappointed.

--The German stock market, the Dax, plunged. It fell 400 points, or 3.6%. The Dow and S&P 500 fell sharply too, with both markets down nearly 1.5%. That means the Aussie market will have a nasty day today.

--But this time, it’s the banks that will more than likely lead the market lower. (I say ‘likely’ because I’m writing this before the market has opened.) That’s because they’ve been stealth beneficiaries of Draghi’s coming QE hype.

--I’ve written to subscribers of Crisis & Opportunity about this in recent weeks. The aim was to sound a warning about the recent bank rally. I didn’t want my readers to mistake the share price rally for a sign of fundamental improvement in the sector.

--The link between European QE and Aussie banks might seem like a tenuous one. But as Europe is one of the world’s biggest savers, and therefore a creditor to debtor nations like Australia, it makes sense that the prospect of poorer returns on savings in Europe would send more capital to Australia.

--And who are Australia’s largest borrowers? The banks, of course!

--When you go to borrow money from a bank to buy a house, the bank approves the loan, but then it has to get the money from somewhere. Australia is a debtor nation, meaning we consume more than we produce. That means we have to borrow the difference from offshore.

--Banks borrow in the wholesale debt markets, and Europe is an important source of funds. So when Europe’s money becomes ‘easier’, the benefits flow on to our banks. Here’s what I wrote to subscribers on Wednesday…


‘…the ECB is giving our banks a major leg up by promising another round of QE when they meet on Friday Aussie time.

‘The important thing to watch for is the market’s reaction after the ECB announcement. It could be a ‘buy the rumour, sell the news event’. In other words, because of the strong rally on the expectation of stimulus, you may see profit taking and a sell-off at the time of the actual announcement.

‘Despite the recent strong rally, I’m still cautious on the banks. There are significant fundamental headwinds for the Aussie banking sector — the need for more capital, a slow growth economy, and a slowdown in housing investment lending…to name a few.

‘And the charts still point to the sector being in a downtrend.

‘Given the less than robust fundamentals for the sector, this makes me cautious on the ability for banks to sustain this rally.

‘The next test will come after Friday’s ECB meeting and the market’s reaction to it. The bank stock rally may run out of fizz in two days.’

--The good old ‘buy the rumour, sell the news’ trade is a reliable one. Central banks talk a big game, but they find it harder to put these words into action. That’s because they know it’s more about confidence than anything else.

--I mean, really, does anyone think that a little more QE is going to help the real economy or spur inflation? Of course it won’t. It will just create greater financial market volatility as speculators rush from one side of the boat to the other.

--So expect a bit of reality to come back into the Aussie banking sector today.

--And anyway, the last thing Australia needs is more cheap capital flowing in. It’s ruining our economy.

--Let me explain…

--In yesterday’s Daily Reckoning, I showed you how the mining sector ‘rescued’ the Aussie economy in the September quarter. A big increase in production led to ‘net exports’ providing a big boost to economic growth.

--I also explained how misleading this was, and that the headline number didn’t take into account the prices actually received for this increase in export volumes.

--Yesterday’s release of October trade figures reinforced this view. The trade deficit came in a $3.3 billion for the month. This was a 38% deterioration on the September deficit of $2.4 billion.

--Thank goodness for the mining production boom, eh?

--All those hundreds of billions of dollars of investment led to an increase in production that is…still generating massive monthly trade deficits.

--The miracle in all this is just how the Aussie dollar is holding up? The fact that it has actually increased since the late August low around US$0.69 is impressive.

--It tells you that despite our ongoing trade, current account and government budget deficits, we’re still pulling in ample money from offshore. The Financial Review has a decent explanation for what might be propping the Aussie up right now.


‘Corporate deals, driven partly by the weakness of the Australia dollar, have also helped the currency defy the relentless slump in commodity prices, according to Westpac.

‘The bank's global head of market strategy Robert Rennie said foreign interest in Australian companies, recently shown again in last week's $10.3 billion takeover of the NSW electricity grid Transgrid by a foreign-led consortium, was one of the factors offsetting the drag on the local unit by slumping iron ore and coal prices.

‘Another is a surge in demand for Australian government debt because of the securities' yield spread over returns on most other advanced countries' debt.’

--If that’s the case, this is only a short term boost. Expect the Aussie to start falling again soon.

--And it makes you wonder at what point lower interest rates might start to damage Australia. I mean, we’re only attracting offshore capital because of the healthy interest rate differential.

--If the RBA cuts rates again next year, at what point would foreigners say Aussie rates no longer entice us? It’s an interesting question to ponder for a housing addicted, debtor nation like Australia.

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For The Daily Reckoning


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see how similar rm is with aud?! tongue.gif

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 4 2015, 11:14 AM)
--Yesterday’s release of October trade figures reinforced this view. The trade deficit came in a $3.3 billion for the month. This was a 38% deterioration on the September deficit of $2.4 billion.

--Thank goodness for the mining production boom, eh? (o&g/plantations/1.5mil banglas)

--All those hundreds of billions of dollars of investment led to an increase in production that is…still generating massive monthly trade deficits. (msia deficits too)

--The miracle in all this is just how the Aussie dollar is holding up? The fact that it has actually increased since the late August low around US$0.69 is impressive. (since aud/rm is pretty constant, can say rm4.20 is impressive)

--It tells you that despite our ongoing trade, current account and government budget deficits, we’re still pulling in ample money from offshore. The Financial Review has a decent explanation for what might be propping the Aussie up right now. (bils in donations, some rm coming back)

‘Corporate deals, driven partly by the weakness of the Australia dollar, have also helped the currency defy the relentless slump in commodity prices, according to Westpac. (china deals, china promises)

‘The bank's global head of market strategy Robert Rennie said foreign interest in Australian companies, recently shown again in last week's $10.3 billion takeover of the NSW electricity grid Transgrid by a foreign-led consortium, was one of the factors offsetting the drag on the local unit by slumping iron ore and coal prices. (imdb power asset sale)

‘Another is a surge in demand for Australian government debt because of the securities' yield spread over returns on most other advanced countries' debt.’

--If that’s the case, this is only a short term boost. Expect the Aussie to start falling again soon. (really?!)

--And it makes you wonder at what point lower interest rates might start to damage Australia. I mean, we’re only attracting offshore capital because of the healthy interest rate differential. (mgs is good demand at 4.2% yield)

--If the RBA cuts rates again next year, at what point would foreigners say Aussie rates no longer entice us? It’s an interesting question to ponder for a housing addicted, debtor nation like Australia. (will debtor nation msia start to cut int rates soon?)

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 4 2015, 11:25 AM)
see how similar rm is with aud?!  tongue.gif
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Yeah

We are the terrible twin of Aus! biggrin.gif

However, our GDP growth figures are better than Aus. How ar?
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However, our GDP growth figures are better than Aus. How ar?
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must look at inflation figures too.

i have not looked closely - aussie lower growth accompanied by lower and more accurate inflation?
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must look at inflation figures too.

i have not looked closely - aussie lower growth accompanied by lower and more accurate inflation?
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Aus CPI is approx 2.1%

http://www.rba.gov.au/inflation/measures-cpi.html
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just shout when i can buy usd1 with rm4.15.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 4 2015, 04:57 PM)
1.00 USD  =  4.21496 MYR  yawn.gif  yawn.gif
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see how similar rm is with aud?!  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 4 2015, 05:54 PM)
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Well we have to accept the fact that myr ran out of steam. There's no strong factor to push the RM. Unless people start questioning US debts again. whistling.gif
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any chance of us returning to USD/MYR = 3.00 by the end of next year?

what are the analysts outlook?
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any chance of us returning to USD/MYR = 3.00 by the end of next year?

what are the analysts outlook?
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I think myr 3 kind hard.. myr 3.50 maybe can.. Very low chance.. Most wud be 4 to 4.50 level
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Oil prices fell on Friday after sources said OPEC had agreed to roll over its policy of maintaining crude production in order to retain market share and raise its output ceiling.
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Awaiting US payrolls data n outcome of OPEC meeting today
Tis will dictate the movement of MYR next week
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Oil prices fell on Friday after sources said OPEC had agreed to roll over its policy of maintaining crude production in order to retain market share and raise its output ceiling.
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yesterday I heard some source say they wanna cut some output, now say maintain shakehead.gif more oversupply flood the market doh.gif
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Awaiting US payrolls data n outcome of OPEC meeting today
Tis will dictate the movement of MYR next week
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Earlier, stock futures edged higher after the 8:30 a.m., ET, November jobs report beat headline expectations with creation of 211,000 and showed an increase in wages and continued low unemployment, as expected. The number of jobs created in October and September were also revised higher.

good jobs data = market confidence or fed rate hike or both? biggrin.gif

dow +160.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 4 2015, 10:40 PM)
yesterday I heard some source say they wanna cut some output, now say maintain shakehead.gif  more oversupply flood the market  doh.gif
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hard to cut... who wants to cut and lose revenue?

iran coming onstream soon with 1 mil bpd, indonesia rejoins opec with 780 kbpd - output ceiling has to be increased.

enjoy cheap petrol for some more months. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 4 2015, 10:53 PM)
hard to cut... who wants to cut and lose revenue?

iran coming onstream soon with 1 mil bpd, indonesia rejoins opec with 780 kbpd - output ceiling has to be increased.

enjoy cheap petrol for some more months. biggrin.gif
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more bad news for gomen & petronas blush.gif
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more bad news for gomen & petronas blush.gif
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no problem - borrow, raise gst, sell land, no resistance. tongue.gif
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no problem - borrow, raise gst, sell land, no resistance. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 4 2015, 10:53 PM)
Earlier, stock futures edged higher after the 8:30 a.m., ET, November jobs report beat headline expectations with creation of 211,000 and showed an increase in wages and continued low unemployment, as expected. The number of jobs created in October and September were also revised higher.

good jobs data = market confidence or fed rate hike or both? biggrin.gif

dow +160.
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DJIA up 369 or 2.12%
Oil tumble 0.94 or 2.29% to 40.14
Next week will b interesting for MYR

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no problem - borrow, raise gst, sell land, no resistance. tongue.gif
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Record low commodities (e.g oil, iron ore, coal, etc) is great news for g7 economy. Time to relocate investment portfolio.

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DJIA up 369 or 2.12%
Oil tumble 0.94 or 2.29% to 40.14
Next week will b interesting for MYR
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with opec stand, crude is heading below 40.

with last jobs data, dec 16 is almost sure of seeing a rate hike.

but i still see rm sticking around 4.2-4.3.

until some new and major development.

i don't how what is best to invest in for now... but for sure, not o&g counters in bursa. tongue.gif


QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 5 2015, 07:58 AM)
Plus increase price n remove current subsidies
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 11:05 AM)
with opec stand, crude is heading below 40.

with last jobs data, dec 16 is almost sure of seeing a rate hike.

but i still see rm sticking around 4.2-4.3.

until some new and major development.

i don't how what is best to invest in for now... but for sure, not o&g counters in bursa. tongue.gif
i will not be surprised if new taxes get introduced in 2016.
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Those bought o&g counters in bursa during the last dead cat bound are in for a long haul.

There is endless possibilities in kangkong paradise, tax increments, new tax, end of subsidy, etc is not a surprise.

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While we talk about this as jokes, but "someone" actually think so and sleep very well with a fat woman beside him  tongue.gif
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in coming sedisi act for making fun to certain people! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 11:05 AM)
with opec stand, crude is heading below 40.

with last jobs data, dec 16 is almost sure of seeing a rate hike.

but i still see rm sticking around 4.2-4.3.

until some new and major development.

i don't how what is best to invest in for now... but for sure, not o&g counters in bursa. tongue.gif
i will not be surprised if new taxes get introduced in 2016.
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Despite the certainty in rate hike, most economist/fund mgr/analyst have 80% confidence level ony
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Just for info, I hang out in some international forums, even Canadian are complaining of the strong USD. Even they are looking whether US will increase rates.

So by increasing the rates > USD will increase > USD become too expensive > less demands > bad for economy?

I am still thinking and hoping US will just maintained. How many times they cry wolf already.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 5 2015, 12:25 PM)
Just for info, I hang out in some international forums, even Canadian are complaining of the strong USD. Even they are looking whether US will increase rates.

So by increasing the rates > USD will increase > USD become too expensive > less demands > bad for economy?

I am still thinking and hoping US will just maintained. How many times they cry wolf already.
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Finally Janet remove procrastination from the dictionary  brows.gif
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If still cry wolf how?
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If still cry wolf how?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 5 2015, 12:25 PM)
Just for info, I hang out in some international forums, even Canadian are complaining of the strong USD. Even they are looking whether US will increase rates.

So by increasing the rates > USD will increase > USD become too expensive > less demands > bad for economy?

I am still thinking and hoping US will just maintained. How many times they cry wolf already.
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canadian $ is whacked big time like aud and rm - because the canadian economy is commodity based too - oil, minerals with little else to export.

usd is strong and "expensive" because of the confidence it commands as the #1 currency, with no near #2. the euro is next big but is in worse shape than usd.

there is a massive problem brewing - years of easing and cheap debt, i.e. near zero interest rates. this is good to keep the broader economy going but... very high risks now for junk bonds and other high leverage biz. and some sectors are suffering, .e.g pension funds and insurance cos. that rely on fixed income. if a couple of these big ones fail, it will roil markets and threaten the economy, like the lehman collapse in 2008. the longer they "cry wolf", the less time than they have to normalize rates in time so as not to risk some major failure and meltdown that will spread to rest of the globe.

it is not a easy job for yellen and fed. still, the job nos. can't get better, inflation will not go much higher. it is almost certain rate will be hiked on dec 16. question is if it will be 25bps and what comments follow.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 01:40 PM)
canadian $ is whacked big time like aud and rm - because the canadian economy is commodity based too - oil, minerals with little else to export.

usd is strong and "expensive" because of the confidence it commands as the #1 currency, with no near #2. the euro is next big but is in worse shape than usd.

there is a massive problem brewing - years of easing and cheap debt, i.e. near zero interest rates. this is good to keep the broader economy going but many sectors are suffering - junk bonds, high leverage biz and... pension funds and insurance cos. that rely on fixed income. if a couple of these big ones fail, it will roil markets and threaten the economy, like the lehman collapse in 2008. the longer they "cry wolf", the less time than they have to normalize rates in time so as not to risk some major failure and meltdown that will spread to rest of the globe.

it is not a easy job for yellen and fed. still, the job nos. can't get better, inflation will not go much higher. it is almost certain rate will be hiked on dec 16. question is if it will be 25bps and what comments follow.
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What do you mean by less time to normalise rates?
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What do you mean by less time to normalise rates?
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it is a huge economy. they don't raise rates piecemeal as and when they like.

there is a plan to go from A to B to C to D within X years or Y months, i.e. targets.

google bloomberg, cnbc... there are many articles with charts and dots that explain what the fed targets are.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 01:47 PM)
it is a huge economy. they don't raise rates piecemeal as and when they like.

there is a plan to go from A to B to C to D within X years or Y months, i.e. targets.

google bloomberg, cnbc... there are many articles with charts and dots that explain what the fed targets are.
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Normalise rates = increasing rates?

So if they increase rates, USD sure will go up and MYR sure will drop right? Will the effect be permanent (remain high) like few years or just a few days like what happen to MYR strengthening power (increase and decrease quickly)?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 5 2015, 12:25 PM)
Just for info, I hang out in some international forums, even Canadian are complaining of the strong USD. Even they are looking whether US will increase rates.

So by increasing the rates > USD will increase > USD become too expensive > less demands > bad for economy?

I am still thinking and hoping US will just maintained. How many times they cry wolf already.
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US people earn USD, whether it rises or drop against other currency, it doesn't matter when the goods is quoted in USD.
An Iphone cost $549, will still cost $549, whether the USD is at RM3.30 or RM4.20.

But for in term of pricing RM, it is not the same case.


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US people earn USD, whether it rises or drop against other currency, it doesn't matter when the goods is quoted in USD.
An Iphone cost $549, will still cost $549, whether the USD is at RM3.30 or RM4.20.

But for in term of pricing RM, it is not the same case.
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The thing is not only us are feeling the strength of the USD. Even Canadian people. And that forum was a computer forum.
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Normalise rates = increasing rates?

So if they increase rates, USD sure will go up and MYR sure will drop right? Will the effect  be permanent (remain high) like few years or just a few days like what happen to MYR strengthening power (increase and decrease quickly)?
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"normalized" means a balanced int rate regime in a growing sustainable economy. it is a target, a moving target.

how usd fares with other currencies is relative.

at this time, commodities prices (oil, gas, iron ore, copper, even milk) are at multi year lows, china can't buy more to make more to sell more.

so, commodity export dependent currencies continue to get hammered. non-commodity but consuming countries are enjoying strong currencies - thailand, japan, even singapore.

as the oil rout continues, even saudi is now said to be considering a lower peg of the riyal to the usd. also, will see if brunei can hold the peg to the sgd.


if fed keeps hiking rates to normalize as per plan... the rm will be expected to go down, of course. add low oil/palm oil prices, continued big spending/wastage and incr debt, u already know the direction.

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The thing is not only us are feeling the strength of the USD. Even Canadian people. And that forum was a computer forum.
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Everyone feeling the USD strength, no escape from it.

But US people earn USD, aka US consumers can buy more goods from others due to its strength.

Currency is traded in pair, when one currency rise, another must drop. If not how can it rises?



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US people earn USD, whether it rises or drop against other currency, it doesn't matter when the goods is quoted in USD.
An Iphone cost $549, will still cost $549, whether the USD is at RM3.30 or RM4.20.

But for in term of pricing RM, it is not the same case.
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Stronger USD mean cheaper import for u.s, higher corporate profit and consumer spending; more export from EU and Japan, good news all round.

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as an salaried worker and a consumer, i want as strong a currency as possible - greatest purchasing power. but my employer may restrain my wage increase.

as an exporter, i want a weak currency to beat my competitors but that makes me lazy, since there is no need to improve on productivity and costs.

as a gomen, i want a balance but very often, i can't do it or don't know. so f it! laugh.gif



really, why is it so darn easy for a currency to fall and so darn hard for it to rise?

because even lazy idiots know how to make currencies fall whereas it takes smart responsible brains to make a currency strong and yet sustainable.

that can only be true because if the reverse is true, there is no need for good brains and good governance. we go back to the dark ages. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 07:26 PM)
as an salaried worker and a consumer, i want as strong a currency as possible - greatest purchasing power. but my employer may restrain my wage increase.
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Purchasing power of salaried worker will b lesser next yr as a lot of Co freeze increment cry.gif
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Purchasing power of salaried worker will b lesser next yr as a lot of Co freeze increment  cry.gif
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where u get the indications?

u mean private sector?

since public sector already said x% up, bonus, etc...?

if private sector, that's very bad.

purchasing power already destroyed by weak rm and high inflation.

lagi no gaji naik? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 07:52 PM)
where u get the indications?

u mean private sector?

since public sector already said x% up, bonus, etc...?

if private sector, that's very bad.

purchasing power already destroyed by weak rm and high inflation.

lagi no gaji naik? shakehead.gif
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M refer to private sector employees
In addition, a lot of Co didn't declare Bonus too tis yr
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M refer to private sector employees
In addition, a lot of Co didn't declare Bonus too tis yr
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if that will be true, chance of recession in 2016.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 07:26 PM)
as an salaried worker and a consumer, i want as strong a currency as possible - greatest purchasing power. but my employer may restrain my wage increase.

as an exporter, i want a weak currency to beat my competitors but that makes me lazy, since there is no need to improve on productivity and costs.

as a gomen, i want a balance but very often, i can't do it or don't know. so f it! laugh.gif
really, why is it so darn easy for a currency to fall and so darn hard for it to rise?

because even lazy idiots know how to make currencies fall whereas it takes smart responsible brains to make a currency strong and yet sustainable.

that can only be true because if the reverse is true, there is no need for good brains and good governance. we go back to the dark ages. tongue.gif
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That is very true thumbup.gif

To keep the economy and RM at healthy level, it takes a lot of effort. To destroy it, we just need some idiots, as proven tongue.gif
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some companies I know gonna pay 1mth bonus tis year. better something than nothing right blush.gif
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US WTI Crude Oil officially traded < USD40 mark
Last traded at 39.97, down 1.11 or 2.70%

In addition, Brent Crude Oil down 0.84 or 1.92% to USD43
Our Govt have assume USD48 in the 2016 Budget which was tabled on 23rd Oct 2015
Will the Govt revised the 2016 Budget in the near future to reflect the reality of the market?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 08:03 PM)
if that will be true, chance of recession in 2016.
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Jom tanam jagung kangkung di rumah laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 5 2015, 08:03 PM)
if that will be true, chance of recession in 2016.
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The current climate is definitely far from ideal, but to go from 4.7 % GDP growth in Q3 2015 to a recession (i.e. 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth) in 2016 seems a little extreme, doesn't it ?

Of course, never say never laugh.gif
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Jom tanam jagung kangkung di rumah laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Dec 6 2015, 12:04 PM)
The current climate is definitely far from ideal, but to go from 4.7 % GDP growth in Q3 2015 to a recession (i.e. 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth) in 2016 seems a little extreme, doesn't it ?

Of course, never say never  laugh.gif
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Agree with you. We will still experience growth but not at the rate of growth that we have come to expect for next year.
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Next week would be interesting for MYR  sweat.gif
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Why? What's happening?
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Today, rm will most likely drop like a stone. Hence "interesting"
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Today, rm will most likely drop like a stone. Hence "interesting"
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Your confidence level seems very high brows.gif
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Your confidence level seems very high  brows.gif
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1.00 USD = 4.21000 MYR
US Dollar ↔ Malaysian Ringgit
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Not dropping like a stone?
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Not dropping like a stone?
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Noler

Floating very well..... biggrin.gif
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not 4.19725???
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USD/MYR close:4.20097 low:4.18944 high:4.21250

Managed to hang on at 4.20 level despite bad news
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The international reserves of Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) has climbed 0.74% to US$94.6 billion (RM420.1 billion) as at Nov 30, from US$93.9 billion (RM417.2 billion) on Nov 13.

In a statement today, the central bank said the reserves position is sufficient to finance 8.6 months of retained imports and is 1.1 times the short-term external debt.

Short-term external debt refers to short-term offshore borrowing, non-resident holdings of short-term ringgit debt securities, non-resident deposits with the banking system, and other short-term debt, according to the statement.

On month-on-month (m-o-m) basis, the foreign reserve was up 0.64% or US$600 million to US$94.6 million (RM420.1 billion), from US$94 million (RM396.7 million) as at Oct 30.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 7 2015, 02:24 PM)
6 Dec 2015 06:20 UTC - 7 Dec 2015 06:21 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.20097 low:4.18944 high:4.21250

Managed to hang on at 4.20 level despite bad news
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no hope for those hoping 4.0 or 4.5.

just accept 4.2-4.3.

that's not what i am saying, just what the world financial markets are saying. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 7 2015, 07:56 PM)
no hope for those hoping 4.0 or 4.5.

just accept 4.2-4.3.

that's not what i am saying, just what the world financial markets are saying. tongue.gif
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sadly u are right sad.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 7 2015, 07:56 PM)
no hope for those hoping 4.0 or 4.5.

just accept 4.2-4.3.

that's not what i am saying, just what the world financial markets are saying. tongue.gif
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Tis is the range Ppl r willing to trade regardless whether the underlying currency is under/over value
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Tis is the range Ppl r willing to trade regardless whether the underlying currency is under/over value
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right, do not underestimate the power of open market forces.

do not overestimate the power of small time conjuring or weak black magic. laugh.gif
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US market buka and shot up laugh.gif
let's see what's the closing today
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crude crashed 6%, now at 37.60.

rm may be >4.3 tmrw.
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Dec 8 2015, 12:38 AM)
US market buka and shot up laugh.gif
let's see what's the closing today
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Sad to note it down 0.66%
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 02:20 AM)
crude crashed 6%, now at 37.60.

rm may be >4.3 tmrw.
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Both WTI Crude n Brent Oil tank 5% + to 37.63 n 40.70
MYR was last traded at 4.2774
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It will be a down down day for RM?

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MYR depreciated from 4.2150 to 4.2595 now
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wah looks like it gonna be MYR 4.30 yawn.gif
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Sad to note it down 0.66%
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I mean USD up.
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I mean USD up.
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USD went up from 4.21 to 4.27 now
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4.27 is not bad.

holding better than colombia but not as well as brazil or mexico or aud.

chance of crude falling further to 35 before stabilizing.



there will be another round of commodity currencies hammering if fed hike rates on dec 16.
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BNM international reserves up USD 700 mil to USD94.6 bil as compared to earlier data.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 11:26 AM)
4.27 is not bad.

holding better than colombia but not as well as brazil or mexico or aud.

chance of crude falling further to 35 before stabilizing.
there will be another round of commodity currencies hammering if fed hike rates on dec 16.
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Fall short of your expectation @ 4.30
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Fall short of your expectation @ 4.30
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well... the day is not over. tongue.gif
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Next Malaysian Central Bank governor possible candidates sweat.gif

1. Awang Adek Hussin, ambassador to the U.S

2. Mohd Irwan Serigar Abdullah, Finance Ministry's top bureaucrat

3. Deputy Governor Muhammad Ibrahim

4. Deputy Governor Nor Shamsiah Mohd Yunus

5. Deputy Governor Sukhdave Singh

6. Abdul Wahid Omar, Government Minister and Former Banker

7. Ismee Ismail, Pilgrims’ fund CEO and 1MDB director

8. Noor Azlan Ghazali, Monetary Policy Committee member

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/2015/12...ble-candidates/

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 8 2015, 01:19 PM)
Next Malaysian Central Bank governor possible candidates sweat.gif

1. Awang Adek Hussin, ambassador to the U.S

2. Mohd Irwan Serigar Abdullah, Finance Ministry's top bureaucrat

3. Deputy Governor Muhammad Ibrahim

4. Deputy Governor Nor Shamsiah Mohd Yunus

5. Deputy Governor Sukhdave Singh

6. Abdul Wahid Omar, Government Minister and Former Banker

7. Ismee Ismail, Pilgrims’ fund CEO and 1MDB director

8. Noor Azlan Ghazali, Monetary Policy Committee member

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/2015/12...ble-candidates/
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no.7 seems perfect for the job brows.gif brows.gif
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no.7 seems perfect for the job brows.gif  brows.gif
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well for me.

better give to any of the Deputy Governor. they know best icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 8 2015, 01:52 PM)
well for me.

better give to any of the Deputy Governor. they know best  icon_rolleyes.gif
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we all knows who is the best
the upper one all are the best
PM though dnt care who is the best for the job but who is the best for him brows.gif brows.gif
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PM though dnt care who is the best for the job but who is the best for him brows.gif  brows.gif
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no brainer.

from the choice of igp and a-g, we already know the profile of the next bnm governor.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 02:37 PM)
no brainer.

from the choice of igp and a-g, we already know the profile of the next bnm governor.
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mesti ada link sikit supaya senang approve money transfer aka donation brows.gif
#janjisemuaorangsaya laugh.gif
#loyaltyoversmart
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 02:37 PM)
no brainer.

from the choice of igp and a-g, we already know the profile of the next bnm governor.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 8 2015, 02:43 PM)
mesti ada link sikit supaya senang approve money transfer aka donation brows.gif
#janjisemuaorangsaya  laugh.gif
#loyaltyoversmart
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1, 6 or 7? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 8 2015, 03:53 PM)
1, 6 or 7?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 8 2015, 01:19 PM)
Next Malaysian Central Bank governor possible candidates sweat.gif

1. Awang Adek Hussin, ambassador to the U.S

2. Mohd Irwan Serigar Abdullah, Finance Ministry's top bureaucrat

3. Deputy Governor Muhammad Ibrahim

4. Deputy Governor Nor Shamsiah Mohd Yunus

5. Deputy Governor Sukhdave Singh

6. Abdul Wahid Omar, Government Minister and Former Banker

7. Ismee Ismail, Pilgrims’ fund CEO and 1MDB director

8. Noor Azlan Ghazali, Monetary Policy Committee member

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/2015/12...ble-candidates/
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Nazir Razak is not a potential candidate ? hmm.gif
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Nazir Razak is not a potential candidate ? hmm.gif
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who knows the actual one chosen on even in the list I posted & it could be jibby bro blush.gif
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who knows the actual one chosen on even in the list I posted & it could be jibby bro  blush.gif
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Yup we never know for sure.

For such a critical function in a critical govt agency, the succession planning should have been done years ago.
Looks like Zeti will be leaving at a very delicate time for the economy and the ringgit.
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Fall short of your expectation @ 4.30
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not quite 3.0. biggrin.gif

7 Dec 2015 11:45 UTC - 8 Dec 2015 11:58 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.28519 low:4.22450 high:4.28691


if crude rebound later, rm will gain.

so, 4.20-4.30, no extremes, no chance for speculators.

maybe zeti magic will keep it stable until she leaves. tongue.gif

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Watch out on 17/12/2015...
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never say never...

7 Dec 2015 13:20 UTC - 8 Dec 2015 13:25 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.30300 low:4.23183 high:4.30379

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 09:28 PM)
never say never...

7 Dec 2015 13:20 UTC - 8 Dec 2015 13:25 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.30300 low:4.23183 high:4.30379

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wah already boken 4.30 mark wor ohmy.gif shocking.gif
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wah already boken 4.30 mark wor  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif
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becos crude diving, 36.70. brent below 40.


our wallets kena whacked hard soon, more to come. keep supporting u know who.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...icity-next-year
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becos crude diving, 36.70. brent below 40.
our wallets kena whacked hard soon, more to come. keep supporting u know who.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...icity-next-year
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ices-next-year/
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Watch out on 17/12/2015...
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It will b a non event n bau
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Watch out on 17/12/2015...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 09:28 PM)
never say never...

7 Dec 2015 13:20 UTC - 8 Dec 2015 13:25 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.30300 low:4.23183 high:4.30379

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 8 2015, 10:49 PM)
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no. biggrin.gif

happiness would be to see extremes like 4.0 or 4.50 but that's not happening, no luck. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 10:57 PM)
no. biggrin.gif

happiness would be to see extremes like 4.0 or 4.50 but that's not happening, no luck. laugh.gif
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U prefer north or south?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 8 2015, 10:59 PM)
U prefer north or south?
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either way is ok... rm weaker i gain something.

rm stronger, i buy fx.

becos next few years, rm is not going anywhere pretty.

there has been nothing substantial being invested now that will bring big $ benefits in the years to come.

talents leaving, fdi no confidence, non-functioning gomen.

selling prime land, other assets and more debt won't help the rm.

oil/gas prices will stay low for 2-3 years, imo.



4.2-4.3 like now, i do nothing, even.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 8 2015, 11:11 PM)
either way is ok... rm weaker i gain something.

rm stronger, i buy fx.

becos next few years, rm is not going anywhere pretty.

there has been nothing substantial being invested now that will bring big $ benefits in the years to come.

talents leaving, fdi no confidence, non-functioning gomen.

selling prime land, other assets and more debt won't help the rm.

oil/gas prices will stay low for 2-3 years, imo.
4.2-4.3 like now, i do nothing, even.
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If steady within 4.20 to 4.30, tis will b very Boring
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 8 2015, 11:25 PM)
If steady within 4.20 to 4.30, tis will b very Boring
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if that will be, this thread will go ice cold in 3 months. biggrin.gif
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well AVFAN u were right. No post for more than 12hours tongue.gif

1.00 USD = 4.27750 MYR yawn.gif
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QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Dec 8 2015, 08:47 PM)
Watch out on 17/12/2015...
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Just curious, why 17/12/2015?
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QUOTE(david888 @ Dec 10 2015, 11:34 AM)
Just curious, why 17/12/2015?
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tis thread is really "dead" yawn.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 10 2015, 11:43 AM)
tis thread is really "dead"  yawn.gif  sweat.gif
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small ups and downs not much to talk about.

will probably be like that until dec 16/17.

meanwhile, if u have electrical/IT stuff to buy, think better buy now! tongue.gif

rm is more like russian and brazilian, not like viet, india or thai.

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The sharp drop in currencies in Brazil and Russia appears set to claim an unlikely victim: appliance sales.

Market researcher Euromonitor expects this year's consumer appliance sales globally will grow only around 2 percent in retail volume terms, largely driven by sharp slumps in Brazil and Russia.

Major appliance sales in Russia and Brazil are expected to drop 28 percent and 6 percent respectively this year, Euromonitor said.
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Another bright spot: sales of dishwashers in Asia, particularly in China, Vietnam, India and Thailand, are expected to show solid growth.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/10/brazil-russ...appliances.html

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No One Knows How Messy the Fed Increase Could Get

The greatest monetary-easing cycle in the history of the U.S. has left a mind-boggling amount of cash floating around in the economy. Banks hold $2.5 trillion in excess reserves -- money they essentially don’t know what to do with -- at the Federal Reserve.

So as the Fed prepares to raise interest rates from near zero as soon as next week, bond investors are on edge. Beyond all the "is-this-the-right-move" questions that surround every increase, there’s a logistical concern: With so much cash sloshing around, will Fed officials be able to nudge rates as high as they want? Will the new-fangled tools they’ve created to engineer the move work, or instead sow the kind of confusion that can dent the Fed’s credibility and spur a broader market selloff?

Many investors are taking no chances.
They’re piling into the safest, most liquid securities available, or those that move them as far away from the epicenter of the U.S. financial system as possible. James Camp at Eagle Asset Management is buying Treasuries and unloading debt linked to credit, such as corporate bonds. Peter Yi, director of short-term fixed income at Northern Trust Corp. is stockpiling cash. Jerome Schneider, head of short-term strategies at Pacific Investment Management Co., is diversifying into securities such as debt in foreign currencies. In a sign of the search for liquidity, U.S. money funds have cut the average maturity of their assets to the lowest since 2006.

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“You just stay away from this one,” said Camp, director of fixed-income at Eagle Asset, which manages $30.6 billion in St. Petersburg, Florida. “You just let this play out. It’s OK to wait and see, and see how risk markets react. I love Treasuries here.”
In the lead-up to the Fed decision, investors are the most bullish on Treasuries since 2013, according to a JPMorgan Chase & Co. survey of clients on Monday. A rout last week that drove two-year yields to a five-year high helped lure buyers anticipating that the Fed will stick to a gradual pace of rate increases. Wall Street’s consensus is that the Fed will lift its target by a quarter-percentage point on Dec. 16, to a range of 0.25 percent to 0.5 percent.
Camp boosted Treasuries holdings by 20 percent in the last six months, most recently adding seven- to 10-year maturities. He sees government debt offering shelter in case the Fed’s tightening leads investors to shun riskier assets, such as high-yield securities, and prefers longer maturities that would be less influenced by turbulence in shorter-dated obligations.

‘Be Prudent’

Yi at Chicago-based Northern Trust, which manages $946 billion, has cash and securities maturing within five days as much as 15 percent above levels of prior years in the short-term funds he oversees. He’s focused on boosting holdings that are easy to sell in the event he faces withdrawals.
"We need to be prudent about any interest-rate exposure," said Pimco’s Schneider, who manages about $250 billion of short-term assets at the Newport Beach, California-based firm. "We’re looking for ways to diversify our liquidity risk in high-quality assets, and doing so with the view that rates are going higher."
At issue is the Fed’s balance sheet, which ballooned as it bought bonds to pump cash into the economy and support faltering growth. Policy makers need new methods to drain that money and push rates higher in an interbank lending market, known as fed funds, that has become harder to influence now that cash-heavy banks rely on it infrequently.

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Some investors see the volatility around the Fed liftoff as a temporary disturbance with a limited ripple effect during the year-end period.
“Any noise that comes about related to the mechanics of the rate rise is likely to be in the very, very front-end and for a short period of time,” said Brett Wander, chief investment officer for fixed income in San Francisco at Charles Schwab Investment Management Inc., which oversees $267 billion.

Repo Outlet

Yet others are watching how the Fed handles the mechanics of the move. Camp at Eagle Asset and strategists at TD Securities say policy makers will need to more than triple the size of its daily reverse-repo program -- where they drain money from the financial system by temporarily lending out securities -- to at least $1 trillion. Expanding the program, which officials began in September 2013, would help anchor the fed funds rate. Yet the Fed may balk at the move because officials have signaled they’re wary of playing too big a role in money markets.
In previous tightening cycles, there were less reserves sloshing around in the financial system. That made it a lot easier for policy makers to hit their desired rate.

New Wrinkle

In the coming exit, the Fed hopes to keep the fed funds effective rate -- the average for money-market trades -- in a range, rather than at a specific level. The peak of the band is set by the interest rate the Fed pays banks on excess reserves, while the bottom comes from its reverse-repo rate. Presently, the IOER, as the top rate is called, is at 0.25 percent, and the RRP, as the repo facility is known, is at 0.05 percent. The effective rate, which is reported daily by the New York Fed, was 0.14 percent Wednesday.
The RRP program brings another wrinkle: For the first time in a monetary policy move, the Fed will tap an expanded pool of counterparties, including investment companies such as BlackRock Advisors LLC, Federated Investors Inc. and Fidelity Investments. It used to just deal with primary dealers, a group that currently numbers 22

“This is new territory for investors,” said Yi at Northern Trust. “We are all hoping it works, but can’t rule out a possibility that it’s not perfect. Our expectation is that it is probably going to be initially pretty sloppy.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...rs-seek-shelter
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crude at 36.50 and below may push the rm >4.30 before dec 16/7.

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KUALA LUMPUR: Andrew Colquhoun, Fitch Ratings’ head of Asia Pacific sovereign ratings, believes the real risk in Malaysia was that the government would be forced into populist moves and thereby relax its fiscal discipline, according to Bloomberg News. Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak has already been handing out cash handouts to the poor via BR1M (Bantuan Rakyat 1Malaysia).
Colquhoun thinks the government’s fiscal-deficit target, as one result, may be “a bit higher” than 3.1 per cent. Najib aims to cut the budget shortfall to 3.2 of GDP this year and 3.1 per cent in 2016.
The 29 per cent drop in Brent crude prices this year is the single biggest factor hitting the Malaysian economy as 22 per cent of the Federal Government’s revenue comes from oil-related sources.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-risks-in-msia/


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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 11 2015, 05:38 PM)
USD1 = 4.3022
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Quite close to BNM rate of 4.2925 @ 5pm
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Oil slump now biggest risk for Malaysia debt as 1MDB mess fixed
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“Malaysia is hardly out of the woods,” Nicholas Spiro, a London-based managing director at Spiro Sovereign Strategy, said in a Dec 9 e-mail interview. “The 1MDB asset sales will do little to help bolster growth given the bleak external backdrop of a rapidly slowing Chinese economy and the persistent weakness in commodity markets.”

“While the sale of assets by 1MDB should be viewed as a positive development, there remains uncertainty on the resolution of the 1MDB issue and political pressures for a leadership change,” said Ng Kheng Siang, head of Asia Pacific fixed income at State Street Global Advisors, the asset-management business of State Street Corp. overseeing US$2.2 trillion.

Five-year credit-default swaps on Malaysian government bonds have dropped 42 basis points since Sept 30 to 190, down from a six-year high of 247 in September, CMA prices show. 1MDB’s progress may help improve sentiment in the debt-insurance market but the key driver still remains risk aversion, especially for commodity exporters like Malaysia, according to AllianceBernstein LP.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/o...?type=Corporate
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10 yr mgs 4.34%.

10 Dec 2015 13:00 UTC - 11 Dec 2015 13:02 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.32758 low:4.24706 high:4.32999
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Brent Crude Oil tank 3% to USD38.5 now
MYR may need to say Hello to 4.35 soon
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next week the very important week for MYR tongue.gif
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guys, I'm extremely cautious on the MYR, SGD, USD and Euro movements.
but I'm no expert.

I'm going to Europe for about 6months on the second half of next year. So yeah I'll need a lot of Euro. What should I do in order to hedge the currency exposure/MYR volatile movement?

Too much information available
- Fed meeting
- Euro QE
- Weak crude ~ ringgit
- Big bank's forecast [and they forecasted USD at MYR2.9 one year ago sad.gif mad.gif ]

Deposit SGD, the stable currency of all? or the strengthening USD?
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QUOTE(@secret@ @ Dec 12 2015, 09:27 PM)
I'm going to Europe for about 6months on the second half of next year. So yeah I'll need a lot of Euro. What should I do in order to hedge the currency exposure/MYR volatile movement?
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if u r sure u will need euro, a dual currency account may fit yr needs.

i do not use it but i think it should be useful in yr case. not useful for speculation or have no intention to spend a particular foreign currency.

there is thread on that, search for it.
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Hold on tight n b prepare for volatility, if any
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 12 2015, 10:13 PM)
if u r sure u will need euro, a dual currency account may fit yr needs.

i do not use it but i think it should be useful in yr case. not useful for speculation or have no intention to spend a particular foreign currency.

there is thread on that, search for it.
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i'll look into that. thanks smile.gif
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We needed to watch the movement next week.. Guess could even reach 4.50 if bad situation..
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We needed to watch the movement next week.. Guess could even reach 4.50 if bad situation..
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Reach 4.44 i will remit another USD10k back to malaysia. hopefully the FED will raise rate this week and this will pressure BNM to raise the OPR. Then we will have chance to see bank promo FD at 5%! rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 13 2015, 12:59 PM)
Reach 4.44 i will remit another USD10k back to malaysia. hopefully the FED will raise rate this week and this will pressure BNM to raise the OPR. Then we will have chance to see bank promo FD at 5%! rclxm9.gif
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I dun think BNM will raise OPR soon as Bee End is facing difficulty to maintain or grow GDP next yr
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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 13 2015, 12:59 PM)
Reach 4.44 i will remit another USD10k back to malaysia. hopefully the FED will raise rate this week and this will pressure BNM to raise the OPR. Then we will have chance to see bank promo FD at 5%! rclxm9.gif
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gomen say tenkiu for the usd 10k biggrin.gif well I guess any changes to OPR only in Q2 onwards yawn.gif
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where the quote again in December 2015 will drop till 4.8?
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where the quote again in December 2015 will drop till 4.8?
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lol now tat u mention, unker Dreamer mia so long.. no post from him so long. I'm kinda miss the posting biggrin.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 13 2015, 11:02 AM)
We needed to watch the movement next week.. Guess could even reach 4.50 if bad situation..
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shocking.gif really... why you say so?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 13 2015, 05:07 PM)
shocking.gif  really... why you say so?
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Fed meeting.. even lower oil price can decide myr..
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4.50 is very possible if fed hike rates and crude price go to 32-33 by dec 31.

5.0... will take a lot more - low gdp growth, big budget deficit requiring more and fast debt to fund budget overruns, incr in br1m. and maybe a cut in int rates to promote gdp growth. not likely in early in 2016 but u never know what our gomen is capable of when it comes to spending/throwing money to sustain itself.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 13 2015, 06:06 PM)
4.50 is very possible if fed hike rates and crude price go to 32-33 by dec 31.

5.0... will take a lot more - low gdp growth, big budget deficit requiring more and fast debt to fund budget overruns, incr in br1m. and maybe a cut in int rates to promote gdp growth. not likely in early in 2016 but u never know what our gomen is capable of when it comes to spending/throwing money to sustain itself.
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hope the 'hidden hands' still there to stabilize RM. if not, gonna be a gloomy 2016
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Ringgit Halts Three-Week Rally as Oil Decline Clouds Outlook
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-clouds-outlook

Maybank n Standard Chartered predict 4.20 n 4.45 by year end
Wat is your prediction?

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wow 4.40 myr coming ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 14 2015, 07:05 PM)
wow 4.40 myr coming  ohmy.gif
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Why wow? Morgan Stanley gives estimate 4.56 for Q4 right? Long way to go... blush.gif
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As per BNM website, USD/MYR depreciated by 0.77% to 4.3255 which is deem within tolerance
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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 14 2015, 08:35 PM)
Why wow? Morgan Stanley gives estimate 4.56 for Q4 right? Long way to go... blush.gif
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i now start to think 4.56 is very possible by dec 31.

brent <37, crude <35.

msia is a large exporter of natural gas, in the top 10 in the world.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...e-2002-ii5rba6f


short of tens of billions in gomen revenue, u think putrajaya will raise gst first or cut budget expenses first?

answer is probably neither - just borrow more and quick!

so, what happens to the rm? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 14 2015, 08:44 PM)
so, what happens to the rm? tongue.gif
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Can keep as 1st day cover icon_idea.gif
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Can keep as 1st day cover  icon_idea.gif
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You made me nervous whether still want to remit my usd back to malaysia rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by ikanbilis: Dec 14 2015, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 14 2015, 09:02 PM)
You made me nervous whether still want to remit my usd back to malaysia  rclxub.gif
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Just remit on piecemeal basis as nobody can predict Exact landing
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You made me nervous whether still want to remit my usd back to malaysia  rclxub.gif
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juz chill biggrin.gif remit back when reach 4.50 tongue.gif yawn.gif
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With the Brent and natural gas plunging there's got to be a miracle to prevent the RM from dropping as well.


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With the Brent and natural gas plunging there's got to be a miracle to prevent the RM from dropping as well.
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Oil price won’t sink below US$40, says Ahmad Maslan – Bernama

I LOLed
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no worry PRC help on the way to save BolehLand  flex.gif
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In exchange for the HSR project ? smile.gif

QUOTE(orangbulu @ Dec 14 2015, 10:12 PM)
I wonder if these guys ever review what they say in public
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Oil prices continues to drop....

Habislah.... RM.....





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I wonder if these guys ever review what they say in public
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review in private... get promotion.

in other countries, the finance minsters get booted within days.

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QUOTE(orangbulu @ Dec 14 2015, 10:12 PM)
His remark was on 28/1/2015
Nobody know it will sink until USD36 now
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His remark was on 28/1/2015
Nobody know it will sink until USD36 now
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same with "rm will not sink below 3.80".

never say never if one has no control over it. tongue.gif
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In exchange for the HSR project ? smile.gif
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aud is gaining big against rm - 3.17.

bad news for parents paying kid fees in aud...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 14 2015, 11:19 PM)
aud is gaining big against rm - 3.17.

bad news for parents paying kid fees in aud...
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aud is gaining big against rm - 3.17.

bad news for parents paying kid fees in aud...
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also not cheap.

think pre-u +3 yr degree easily rm100k in fees only?

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lots of oversea program offered her and still paying local currency
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Will Singapore raise their interest rate?

If they do, will it be Rm 3.10 to SGD 1?
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also not cheap.

think pre-u +3 yr degree easily rm100k in fees only?
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well I guess that's the range..

but still cheaper than studying in Aussie blush.gif
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well I guess that's the range..

but still cheaper than studying in Aussie  blush.gif
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of course.

100k also cannot go abroad these days.

with current fx rates, even india and bangladesh will now cost a lot more; only russia is now cheaper.

unless yr parents are loaded, higher education now probably comes with a new dimension - debts at early age.


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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 15 2015, 02:43 AM)
of course.

100k also cannot go abroad these days.

with current fx rates, even india and bangladesh will now cost a lot more; only russia is now cheaper.

unless yr parents are loaded, higher education now probably comes with a new dimension - debts at early age.
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USD/MYR close:4.34580 low:4.31722 high:4.37476

Heading towards 4.35?
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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Dec 14 2015, 11:48 PM)
Will Singapore raise their interest rate?

If they do, will it be Rm 3.10 to SGD 1?
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Singapore dont control their monetary policy with interest rates.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 14 2015, 11:19 PM)
aud is gaining big against rm - 3.17.

bad news for parents paying kid fees in aud...
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so now is time to change MYR to usd to hedge against MYR and USD?
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so now is time to change MYR to usd to hedge against MYR and USD?
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I guess now is a bit late. Should have change when it dropped below 4.2 the other day.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 15 2015, 09:16 AM)
I guess now is a bit late. Should have change when it dropped below 4.2 the other day.
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change MYR to AUD to hedge against MYR and USD
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Will Singapore raise their interest rate?

If they do, will it be Rm 3.10 to SGD 1?
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The chance is almost near zero

1. Inflation is subdue in Sg. In fact, it is on deflation territory with CPI registered negative number for some months already.

2. Growth is mild, and with strong Sgd, there is no reason to raise rate.
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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Dec 14 2015, 11:48 PM)
Will Singapore raise their interest rate?

If they do, will it be Rm 3.10 to SGD 1?
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singapore does not control interest rates like most other countries.

it basically manages its exchange rate vs major partners within a band.

interest rates are left to find its way in an open market but will usually go in tandem with usa rates.

if usa raise rates, sg rates should go up too.

there will be pressure to keep the sgd from getting too strong against china and msia currencies as these are also major trading partners. keep in mind gdp growth in sg has been low with low inflation, bad news for its economy if sgd is too strong.

3.10 was seen in sep, no surprise if it gets there again.

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3. HOW DOES MAS MANAGE ITS MONETARY POLICY?

Most countries, including the United States and China, adopt an interest rate policy where central banks raise or cut interest rates.

Singapore is the only major economy in the world to use the exchange rate, guiding the Singdollar higher or lower.

MAS says the exchange rate is the best tool for a small, open economy like Singapore. It is a more effective way to manage inflation, as much of the country's consumer goods are imported.

4. SO IF MAS DOES NOT SET INTEREST RATES IN SINGAPORE, WHO DOES?

MAS has effectively given up control of domestic interest rates. Instead, borrowing costs are largely determined by US interest rates and investors' expectations of the future movement of the Singapore dollar.

5. HOW DOES MAS' EXCHANGE-RATE POLICY WORK?

MAS lets the Singdollar rise or fall against an undisclosed basket of currencies of its main trading partners, intervening when needed to keep the exchange rate within its unspecified target band.

To deter speculation and be more effective, MAS does not disclose what is in its basket of currencies or specify its trading band.

It adjusts the pace of appreciation or depreciation of the Singdollar by changing the slope, width and centre of this trading band.

The exchange rate that MAS targets is trade weighted such that the currencies of Singapore's larger trading partners bear more weight. This trade-weighted exchange rate is known as the Singapore dollar nominal effective exchange rate or S$NEER.

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/econo...monetary-policy


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fed hike, then what?

what possible surprises?

this is a good read for vested parties:

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The US Rate Decision - What Every Trader Should Know
https://pepperstone.com/en/client-resources...decision#part-3


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The final countdown is getting closer n closer
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 15 2015, 04:12 PM)
what happen to unker Dreamer  hmm.gif  long time to see He post about USD/MYR  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif  blush.gif
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he will reappear with a grand entrance once usd 1 = rm4.6 / 4.7 at the end of the month
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he will reappear with a grand entrance once usd 1 = rm4.6 / 4.7 at the end of the month
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 15 2015, 04:18 PM)
1.00 USD  =  4.31346 MYR  whistling.gif
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budget 2016 used oil price at 48.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...8-says-minister

analysts say petronas breakeven 45.
http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Petronas-c...oil-price-slump

brent (tapis is equivalent) is now <39.

without the planned oil dividends, where is money going to come from if crude price stays at this level?

rm 4.315. how can it fly under current conditions?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2015, 03:13 AM)
budget 2016 used oil price at 48.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...8-says-minister

analysts say petronas breakeven 45.
http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Petronas-c...oil-price-slump

brent (tapis is equivalent) is now <39.

without the planned oil dividends, where is money going to come from if crude price stays at this level?

rm 4.315. how can it fly under current conditions?
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Tats y Plus wanted to increase toll rate cry.gif
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1.00 USD = 4.31767 MYR

not much movement even with super low crude price? blink.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 16 2015, 03:39 PM)
1.00 USD  =  4.31767 MYR

not much movement even with super low crude price?  blink.gif
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it's all relative.

do not just look at usd-rm.

rm has to rise or fall against other currencies too.

look at russian, canadian, aussie, sgd, rupee, rupiah, baht, etc..

in the last one month of falling crude prices, rm has gained over russian, canadian and south african.

lost to all the rest or flat.

there is no black magic... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2015, 03:56 PM)
it's all relative.

do not just look at usd-rm.

rm has to rise or fall against other currencies too.

look at russian, canadian, aussie, sgd, rupee, rupiah, baht, etc..

in the last one month of falling crude prices, rm has gained over russian, canadian and south african.

lost to all the rest or flat.

there is no black magic... tongue.gif
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but our trade are mostly in USD sweat.gif

or we trade using respective countries currency hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 16 2015, 04:02 PM)
but our trade are mostly in USD  sweat.gif 

or we trade using respective countries currency  hmm.gif
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we don't trade in isolation.

major countries trade with all nations although msia trades with less.

all currencies are linked, except maybe n korea.
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The Federal Reserve is set to lift interest rates for the first time in over nine years on Wednesday at 2 p.m. Eastern.

The announcement, scheduled to come out of what’s called the Federal Open Market Committee, will be followed by a news conference with Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, who will speak at 2:30 p.m.

Current USD1 = RM4.306. Let's see any impact on RM?

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 16 2015, 03:13 AM)
budget 2016 used oil price at 48.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...8-says-minister

analysts say petronas breakeven 45.
http://www.theantdaily.com/Main/Petronas-c...oil-price-slump

brent (tapis is equivalent) is now <39.

without the planned oil dividends, where is money going to come from if crude price stays at this level?

rm 4.315. how can it fly under current conditions?
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pushing us closer to 10% gst.

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The Federal Reserve is set to lift interest rates for the first time in over nine years on Wednesday at 2 p.m. Eastern.

The announcement, scheduled to come out of what’s called the Federal Open Market Committee, will be followed by a news conference with Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, who will speak at 2:30 p.m.

Current USD1 = RM4.306. Let's see any impact on RM?
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QUOTE(kit2 @ Dec 16 2015, 09:06 PM)
pushing us closer to 10% gst.
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fed hike... like many expected, it's all expected, priced in.

comments, yellen speech - dovish.

seems no big effect on stocks or fx.

so, relax... buy or sell yr rm like any day tmrw. biggrin.gif

stocks markets probably relieved it has finally come, can rally now. laugh.gif
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An expected Christmas present by Janet
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“It is probably the beginning of the last phase of EM selloff, but there’s a lot more to go,” said Bhanu Baweja, UBS’s head of emerging-market cross asset strategy in London who correctly predicted this year’s rout in developing nations. He spoke in an interview before Wednesday’s announcement from the Fed. “It’s like boiling a frog: it’s slowly and but increasingly turning the heat on the EM assets.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...merging-markets

A fallout of fed lift off.

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Did the MYR tanked further?
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Did the MYR tanked further?
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apparently no?
it's 4.3105 now.
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Hurray now that the US Rate is input. What next ?
Malaysia still in the gloom market and down and still under ?
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apparently no?
it's 4.3105 now.
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Good. Just hope it won't go down further
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our menteris will be fuming over this...

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Weak Countries
Those losers include Turkey, South Africa, Malaysia and Colombia, which either have large current-account deficits or have accumulated too much dollar debt, according to Capital Economics.
With higher U.S. borrowing costs, it’s more expensive for emerging markets to refinance their $3.3 trillion dollar debt, threatening to increase default rates and suppress economic growth.
Lending is starting to dry up. Issuance by emerging-market borrowers slumped 98 percent to a net $1.5 billion in the third quarter, from the second quarter, according to the BIS.


stable, 4.33.
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our menteris will be fuming over this...
stable, 4.33.
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16 Dec 2015 03:50 UTC - 17 Dec 2015 03:53 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.33941 low:4.28060 high:4.33941

Slowly going up
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 17 2015, 11:56 AM)
16 Dec 2015 03:50 UTC - 17 Dec 2015 03:53 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.33941 low:4.28060 high:4.33941

Slowly going up
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if brent goes nearer to 37, 4.40 is likely.



but this round, rm is not asian champion.

nzd is, followed by aud.
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latest relevant articles:

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The Fed hike will hit these two currencies

Currencies in Indonesia and Malaysia have already taken a beating over the past year, and the interest rate increases in the U.S. are set to deal them another blow.

"These two are a little bit more vulnerable to Fed hikes, tightening in dollar liquidity (and) capital outflows," Mitul Kotecha, head of Asia foreign-exchange at Barclays, told CNBC Thursday. "Both currencies may be more susceptible to weakness as we go into next year."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/17/fed-interes...ah-ringgit.html

...

Asia Welcomes Fed Move as Policy Makers Warn of Outflow Risks

The Philippines, Indonesia and Taiwan will be the first Asian central banks to react to the Fed’s move, with economists expecting the Southeast Asian nations to remain on hold while about half the analysts surveyed by Bloomberg predict a cut in Taiwan. Increasing U.S. borrowing costs may be closing the window for Asian central banks to shore up their economies with rate cuts, which could spur capital flight from emerging markets.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...f-outflow-risks


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latest relevant articles:
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Despite US Fed Reserve hike int rate, MYR continue to appreciate by 0.27% to 4.3135
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Despite US Fed Reserve hike int rate, MYR continue to appreciate by 0.27% to 4.3135
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effect was probably much priced in; brent price recovered a bit today.

what happens next?

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Malaysia to review Budget 2016 if oil prices continue to stay low - See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/mala...h.QWdDbqgy.dpuf

Oil-Squeezed Malaysia Seen Selling Sukuk as $1.2 Billion Matures
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...billion-matures



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effect was probably much priced in; brent price recovered a bit today.

what happens next?
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Next year Budget assume Oil @ USD48
Now trading @ USD37+
I suppose Bee End need to revise 2016 Budget by Q1/2016 as the USD10 gap is too wide
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MYR will drop and depreciate...plz buy more USD or SGD also good.

Nx year 1 USD = MYR5 and above.

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MYR will drop and depreciate...plz buy more USD or SGD also good.

Nx year 1 USD = MYR5 and above.
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seriously ohmy.gif shocking.gif

now want to reach 4.50 myr also so hard blush.gif
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rm vs other currencies will start to move too as other central banks take action:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/17/fed-hike-sp...k-activity.html
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 18 2015, 12:10 AM)
seriously  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif

now want to reach 4.50 myr also so hard  blush.gif
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Ya lor, i still waiting to TT my USD back to M'sia at 4.44 so that the gomen can send me a tenkiu note. yawn.gif

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Ya lor, i still waiting to TT my USD back to M'sia at 4.44 so that the gomen can send me a tenkiu note. yawn.gif

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biggrin.gif gomen send tenkiu note. in dream lah tongue.gif
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Market have priced in US Fed Reserve int rake hike
Thus, MYR will trade within 4.30 +/- 1% provided there is no major surprise
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Market have priced in US Fed Reserve int rake hike
Thus, MYR will trade within 4.30 +/- 1% provided there is no major surprise
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Oil dropping?
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Oil dropping?
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No implication unless Brent drop to USD33.60 from USD36.54 now
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 19 2015, 12:20 AM)
1.00 USD  =  4.28030 MYR  whistling.gif
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look like going to drop to 4.20 again and then go up to 4.3x again.
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QUOTE(csting87 @ Dec 19 2015, 10:44 AM)
look like going to drop to 4.20 again and then go up to 4.3x again.
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that is possible with major development.

i think the next big factors affecting the rm/usd would be:

.. price of crude (brent now at 36.60)
.. actual budget 2015 deficit
.. gdp data for 4q2015
.. what changes to budget 2016 gomen will made

besides all the on-going politics, of course.
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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 17 2015, 03:11 AM)
Woohoo! 25 basis points raised by the FED!
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Will BNM hike interest rate too?
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Will BNM hike interest rate too?
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Perhaps Zeti is deliberating right now brows.gif
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QUOTE(csting87 @ Dec 19 2015, 10:44 AM)
look like going to drop to 4.20 again and then go up to 4.3x again.
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With the FED rate just hiked in & WTI breaking below 36.00 (35.95) currently; it is frankly rather hard to see (in a logical manner) how the RM can get stronger in the coming week...

USD should also "technically" be strengthening due to the FED rate-hiked as well...

According to sources, the USD is set to continue strengthening against all of the other major currencies for now...
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Well next week should be intresting for myr.. Towards 4.20 & lower or 4.30 & higher tongue.gif
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Some research house still predicts MYR to close @ 4.40 by tis yr end
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Dec 13 2015, 03:57 PM)
where the quote again in December 2015 will drop till 4.8?
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Unker dreamer101 has extended his prediction to Jan 2016 when TPPA is scheduled to sign (according to him). Don't know whether TPPA is still relevant to RM or not now. But let's give unker benefit of doubt

On hindsight, looks like those who stick to ASx in Sept/Oct made a good decision to stay put. If they ditched RM and invest in US$, they would have bought at the peak and made a loss of about -3.3% in 3 months.

Again, there should be timeframe to a prediction. Only then we can judge the prediction is good or bad like in this case
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Rupiah Set to Reclaim Worst Asian Currency Mantle From Ringgit
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...le-from-ringgit

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 21 2015, 09:19 AM)
Rupiah Set to Reclaim Worst Asian Currency Mantle From Ringgit
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...le-from-ringgit

Consolation prize for Bee End
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u call it consolation prize
but BN will light up fire work and put up banner and shout it like they won grand prize
bijan : ringgit malaysia still better than rupiah...you'll see this word appearing in news all the time if it happens laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 21 2015, 09:19 AM)
Rupiah Set to Reclaim Worst Asian Currency Mantle From Ringgit
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...le-from-ringgit

Consolation prize for Bee End
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really?

6-7months ago 1myr = 3500idr.

now 1myr=3200idr.
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QUOTE(kit2 @ Dec 21 2015, 11:21 AM)
really?

6-7months ago 1myr = 3500idr.

now 1myr=3200idr.
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Read the word "set", means prediction/projection ahead made by analysts or investment banks.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 21 2015, 11:35 AM)
Read the word "set", means prediction/projection ahead made by analysts or investment banks.
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ah yes, these are all guesses for 2016 smile.gif

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QUOTE(kit2 @ Dec 21 2015, 11:21 AM)
really?

6-7months ago 1myr = 3500idr.

now 1myr=3200idr.
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becos indon has a bad history of capital outflows in times of trouble.

msia is not that behind in its record of capital flight, legal and illegal.

forecasts being forecasts, i see rupiah and ringgit fighting tooth and nail in the coming months to be the worst in asia. as if there is a prize for that. tongue.gif

indon does not suffer as much in oil and gas exports revenue.

watch oil and gas prices and how putarjaya will deal with 2015 and 2016 budget deficits - that will be the key to the rm.

brent approaching 36.




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USD/MYR depreciate around 0.30% today to 4.3025 despite oil price hit new Low
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The international reserves of Bank Negara Malaysia amounted to USD94.9 billion as at 15 December 2015. The reserves position is sufficient to finance 8.6 months of retained imports and is 1.1 times the short-term external debt.

30 November 2015 - USD94.6 billion
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 21 2015, 06:18 PM)
becos indon has a bad history of capital outflows in times of trouble.

msia is not that behind in its record of capital flight, legal and illegal.

forecasts being forecasts, i see rupiah and ringgit fighting tooth and nail in the coming months to be the worst in asia. as if there is a prize for that. tongue.gif

indon does not suffer as much in oil and gas exports revenue.

watch oil and gas prices and how putarjaya will deal with 2015 and 2016 budget deficits - that will be the key to the rm.

brent approaching 36.
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imho, indonesia has a few good leaders left, but malaysia none smile.gif
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However, they are probably fighting a losing corruption war in Indonesia. It is bad there!
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 23 2015, 09:11 AM)
However, they are probably fighting a losing corruption war in Indonesia. It is bad there!
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at least they are fighting. we in malaysia are not! rclxms.gif
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at least they are fighting. we in malaysia are not!  rclxms.gif
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Good for them.
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Malaysian ringgit under pressure
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...sure/?style=biz

The uncertainty c/f to 2016
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ringgit is not going anywhere with nsc bill passed which will affect investor sentiment.

and opec is not optimistic:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/23/oil-back-at...-time-opec.html

where rm goes will now largely depend on whether gomen will continue spending and showering cash like no tmrw, actual 2015&2016 budget deficits, and how they will funded - new debt, new taxes.

the story to unfold will not be pretty.

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with persistent low oil price, saudi is cutting capex, removing subsidies, raise taxes, privatize more gomen assets and issue new bonds.

rings a bell?

what happens to the rm in 2016?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-riyals-in-2016
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...il-price-plunge

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The market expects the ringgit to average 4.40 to the greenback with the consensus ranging between 3.90 and 5.00
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ggit/?style=biz

MYR is attempting to break M'sia Guiness Book record next year
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Good day,

I work for a financial firm that does prop trading and advice institutional clients(Mainly for the joy of it). I post to give you a historical chart of USDMYR from my firm's database. For some reason data that goes back this far is not available to the public freely so after discussing with my employer I have been given the green light to post a chart from the database we use.

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QUOTE(Quantopian @ Dec 28 2015, 11:20 PM)
Good day,

I work for a financial firm that does prop trading and advice institutional clients(Mainly for the joy of it). I post to give you a historical chart of USDMYR from my firm's database. For some reason data that goes back this far is not available to the public freely so after discussing with my employer I have been given the green light to post a chart from the database we use.

Attached Image

And here's a screenshot of part of the market projection that is produced 100% by our artificial intelligent system we use to analyze everything in the world. Interpret it however you want. That is all I can give good luck

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nice of you to share, thanks.

when was this chart made?

since it is dec 2015 now, what the chart shows is all history.

or u hv cut out the 2016 projection? brows.gif
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I am quite reluctant to post the analysis so I have taken it down because who knows our institutional client might come in here and find the info we sell them is given here for free word for word. Basically USDMYR is going much higher on a yearly basis. This will be my last post

PS: That projection is still in effect.

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QUOTE(Quantopian @ Dec 28 2015, 11:33 PM)
I am quite reluctant to post the analysis so I have taken it down because who knows our institutional client might come in here and find the info we sell them is given here for free word for word.  Basically USDMYR is going much higher on a yearly basis. This will be my last post

PS: That projection is still in effect.
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i do not see any value in yr chart as all data is HISTORY.

are you pulling a fast one here or just trolling?
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QUOTE(Quantopian @ Dec 28 2015, 11:33 PM)
I am quite reluctant to post the analysis so I have taken it down because who knows our institutional client might come in here and find the info we sell them is given here for free word for word.  Basically USDMYR is going much higher on a yearly basis. This will be my last post

PS: That projection is still in effect.
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Please la. Even XE also have this kind of chart FOC. doh.gif
USD-MYR chart

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 28 2015, 11:36 PM)
Please la. Even XE also have this kind of chart FOC.  doh.gif
USD-MYR chart
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don't think it can go to as far as 1975 though. laugh.gif
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Oh dear I forgot that charts that go back this far have less meaning to most people and those that do understand how to read them to make projections would probably already have access to USDMYR data from the date RM was first issued like the one I posted, my bad

Please ignore

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 28 2015, 11:41 PM)
don't think it can go to as far as 1975 though.  laugh.gif
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Challenge accepted. You were saying? laugh.gif
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/currency
http://fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-ra...15&M=1&btnOK=Go!

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 28 2015, 11:49 PM)
now that's the way to do it. after proper research only post your findings.
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Ringgit is no longer responding to the price of oil and commodity, will rebound in 2016, says MIDF Research
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...s-midf-research

Time to short USD now?
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QUOTE(Quantopian @ Dec 28 2015, 11:33 PM)
I am quite reluctant to post the analysis so I have taken it down because who knows our institutional client might come in here and find the info we sell them is given here for free word for word.  Basically USDMYR is going much higher on a yearly basis. This will be my last post

PS: That projection is still in effect.
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lol u came in. Post some chart & info.. Later edit & deleted it!
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 11:17 AM)
Ringgit is no longer responding to the price of oil and commodity, will rebound in 2016, says MIDF Research
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...s-midf-research

Time to short USD now?
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i think rm is already numb to falling and falling oil price! laugh.gif


we watch what assets being sold, if usd comin backg, how much budget deficit, what new taxes, how much putarjaya wants to borrow new to fund ever incr spending.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 11:17 AM)
Ringgit is no longer responding to the price of oil and commodity, will rebound in 2016, says MIDF Research
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/r...s-midf-research

Time to short USD now?
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Doubt it. With the current situation, it's best that it may rebound back if oil reaches $75 per barrel.

In addition, with the US is also going to export oil out of their country soon and this may alert the Saudis to reduce oil prices even further in order to pressure the US. The cost of production in the US is about $36 currently and now trading just above the cost.

And of course, we have "that issue" which everyone knows about.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2015, 12:48 PM)
i think rm is already numb to falling and falling oil price! laugh.gif
we watch what assets being sold, if usd comin backg, how much budget deficit, what new taxes, how much putarjaya wants to borrow new to fund ever incr spending.
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If numb, all bad news dy priced in
Thus, shld b heading North anytime now brows.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 02:03 PM)
If numb, all bad news dy priced in
Thus, shld b heading North anytime now  brows.gif
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no la, just numb to oil.

becos everyone already know oil price won't be good in 2016. tongue.gif
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/30/despite-bri...utput-citi.html

it won't be numb to huge fx going in or out, major new debts or big new spending spree.
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If US increase rates some more. Got potential for myr to drop some more?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 03:38 PM)
If US increase rates some more. Got potential for myr to drop some more?
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already increase isn't it ? 0.25
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Dec 30 2015, 04:21 PM)
already increase isn't it ? 0.25
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They planning to increase until 1.25%. Now only 0.5%
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 04:24 PM)
They planning to increase until 1.25%. Now only 0.5%
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That will be a good news rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Dec 30 2015, 04:31 PM)
That will be a good news rclxms.gif
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If that happen, most likely usd1 = RM5. Your vegetables, chicken all will increase in price
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 03:38 PM)
If US increase rates some more. Got potential for myr to drop some more?
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Perhaps an astrologer have an answer brows.gif
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MYR super stable now
is it because MYR now very hot for brunei-ans?...all sold out on brunei money changers
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:48 PM)
MYR super stable now
is it because MYR now very hot for brunei-ans?...all sold out on brunei money changers
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really hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:48 PM)
MYR super stable now
is it because MYR now very hot for brunei-ans?...all sold out on brunei money changers
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Money changers is running out of MYR to exchange with BND brows.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:48 PM)
MYR super stable now
is it because MYR now very hot for brunei-ans?...all sold out on brunei money changers
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What's the news between malaysia and Brunei? hmm.gif care to update me?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 30 2015, 04:49 PM)
really  hmm.gif
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yes..theres a news for it
brunei-ans are flocking to sabah and sarawak for new year and christmas brows.gif brows.gif
MYR sold out everywhere
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 04:50 PM)
Money changers is running out of MYR to exchange with BND  brows.gif
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MYR exchange for the "over-valued" BND...seem worthed brows.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:52 PM)
yes..theres a news for it
brunei-ans are flocking to sabah and sarawak for new year and christmas brows.gif  brows.gif
MYR sold out everywhere
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Oh that. The Christmas issue.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 04:51 PM)
What's the news between malaysia and Brunei? hmm.gif care to update me?
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brunei ppl flocking to S&S to do thing that cannot be done in brunei(christmas and new year and ahem brows.gif )
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:53 PM)
MYR exchange for the "over-valued" BND...seem worthed brows.gif
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Brunei citizen dun care on exchange rate even though the spread is High
All they want is MYR
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:54 PM)
brunei ppl flocking to S&S to do thing that cannot be done in brunei(christmas and new year and ahem brows.gif )
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Cny or d****?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 04:55 PM)
Brunei citizen dun care on exchange rate even though the spread is High
All they want is MYR
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thats what i think holding MYR up these few days laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 04:56 PM)
Cny or d****?
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cross border..hudud dnt apply brows.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:54 PM)
brunei ppl flocking to S&S to do thing that cannot be done in brunei(christmas and new year and ahem brows.gif )
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oh like that rclxms.gif

Singapore people come Johor & Brunei people come Sbh/Swk flex.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:52 PM)
yes..theres a news for it
brunei-ans are flocking to sabah and sarawak for new year and christmas brows.gif  brows.gif
MYR sold out everywhere
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Got source or not?

After New Year, expect MYR to nose dive? sad.gif
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While v bz debate, USD/MYR still boring at 4.29 +/-
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 30 2015, 05:09 PM)
While v bz debate, USD/MYR still boring at 4.29 +/-
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Good. If it goes up higher, I cannot do my online shopping from the US
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 05:11 PM)
Good. If it goes up higher, I cannot do my online shopping from the US
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belilah barangan buatan malaysia mad.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 30 2015, 05:13 PM)
belilah barangan buatan malaysia  mad.gif  tongue.gif
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Supplements sold by Gnc, amway, cosway, elken all profit min 100% from the buyer. Buat apa kasi duit kepada mereka? vmad.gif mad.gif

Electronic/phone accessories sold by lelong is min 100% more expensive than eBay. Somemore I get free shippingfrom ebay. Buat apa kasi duit kepada mereka? vmad.gif mad.gif

All the above are priced in USD. If they can provide me the quality and choices at the same price in MYR, I sure prefer to buy from Malaysia.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 30 2015, 04:48 PM)
MYR super stable now
is it because MYR now very hot for brunei-ans?...all sold out on brunei money changers
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this is interesting.

other than a rush to spend rm in sabah over the yr end holidays, maybe something else is brewing?

pure speculation.... maybe somebody think brunei won't hold the sgd peg for much longer?

like they speculate saudi may abandon usd peg?
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oil price will stay low for some time, it is possible...?

brunei exports nothing but oil, correct?

maybe new peg to rm? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2015, 05:50 PM)
this is interesting.

other than a rush to spend rm in sabah over the yr end holidays, maybe something else is brewing?

pure speculation.... maybe somebody think brunei won't hold the sgd peg for much longer?

like they speculate saudi may abandon usd peg?
oil price will stay low for some time, it is possible...?

brunei exports nothing but oil, correct?

maybe new peg to rm?  tongue.gif
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BND is trading at a few bps discount to SGD now
Perhaps the few bps is expected to widen next year

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 04:37 PM)
If that happen, most likely usd1 = RM5. Your vegetables, chicken all will increase in price
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I will be happy rclxms.gif
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For the assets that I am holding and thus, am watching closely, I am observing that two of my instruments are beginning to decouple from the effects of the falling oil price, namely;

1) my natural currency, the RM, and
2) the counter that I am holding in the SGX, namely Keppel Corp.

Both seems to be staying well despite the volatility in oil price.
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Wonder what will happen to USD/MYR if we throw in a likelyhood of a WW3 into the mix.

US vs China + Russia? We know that China is expanding into the SCS. Russia is moving forces into the baltic seas.

China + Russia are also moving forces into the Middle East (syria).

Will USD drops and MYR also drops if tensions are high?
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I just recalled - the 1MDB land parcel in Klang Valley - in Sg Besi will be disposed soon officially to one of two conglomerates bidding for it. It was reported earlier that the deal would be finalized by year-end.

This will definitely lend a strong support for the RM in the short term.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 05:02 PM)
Got source or not?

After New Year, expect MYR to nose dive? sad.gif
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3818758
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 30 2015, 11:29 PM)
Wonder what will happen to USD/MYR if we throw in a likelyhood of a WW3 into the mix.

US vs China + Russia? We know that China is expanding into the SCS. Russia is moving forces into the baltic seas.

China + Russia are also moving forces into the Middle East (syria).

Will USD drops and MYR also drops if tensions are high?
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The Superpowers will only fight each other on other people soil, they seems to prefer ME.
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The Superpowers will only fight each other  on other people soil, they seems to prefer ME.
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But if a ww3 would break out, while world economy would be affected. That's why I wonder what will happen to usd/MYR rate.
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USD/MYR close:4.30100 low:4.28010 high:4.30670

Most likely to close @ 4.30 for 2015
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2015, 08:23 AM)
But if a ww3 would break out, while world economy would be affected. That's why I wonder what will happen to usd/MYR rate.
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why worry, if ww3 comes, the earth will be gone, why need money, may be hell-bank-notes.
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Unker dreamer Target of 4.70myr looks like not gonna happen today tongue.gif let's see the target can reach end next year yawn.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 31 2015, 10:53 AM)
Unker dreamer Target of 4.70myr looks like not gonna happen today tongue.gif let's see the target can reach end next year yawn.gif
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Morgan Stanley forecast of RM4.56 also not going happen.... cry.gif


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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 30 2015, 11:41 PM)
I just recalled - the 1MDB land parcel in Klang Valley - in Sg Besi will be disposed soon officially to one of two conglomerates bidding for it. It was reported earlier that the deal would be finalized by year-end.

This will definitely lend a strong support for the RM in the short term.
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this news has been known for some time. think already factored in.

question is what more national assets will be sold to foreigners, if anyone will protest and cry "selling out xxx rights".

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 31 2015, 11:06 AM)
Morgan Stanley forecast of RM4.56 also not going happen....  cry.gif
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any guess what the closing would be today blush.gif
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Malaysia's 1MDB to sell property project stake to China-Malaysia group
http://www2.theedgemarkets.com/en/article/...-malaysia-group

Tis deal shall give the catalyst to support present USD/MYR
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Next would be the HSR project which China might win again with their unlimited funding power tongue.gif
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As per BNM, closing rate @ 4.2935 -v- 3.4965 @ 31/12/2014
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so the year closed at 4.30 myr. lower than unker dreamer Target & also Morgan Stanley forecast sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 31 2015, 06:25 PM)
As per BNM, closing rate @ 4.2935 -v- 3.4965 @ 31/12/2014
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whatever the big people say, it is not going anywhere.

not until putarjaya learns to cut wasteful spending and borrow less. tongue.gif


zeti to be replaced in apr, right?

we'll see how the market reacts to the new governor.
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Ringgit completes steepest annual loss since 1997 as oil slumps
http://www2.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/...1997-oil-slumps

I hope Putrajaya insaf after reading
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zeti to be replaced in apr, right?

we'll see how the market reacts to the new governor.
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5.00 myr? blush.gif
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Next would be the HSR project which China might win again with their unlimited funding power tongue.gif
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they already won, no?
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they already won, no?
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not yet. Now in process.. But we all know who gonna win yawn.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 31 2015, 09:38 PM)
not yet. Now in process.. But we all know who gonna win yawn.gif
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done deal. we all know. the process is just wayang smile.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 31 2015, 06:46 PM)
whatever the big people say, it is not going anywhere.

not until putarjaya learns to cut wasteful spending and borrow less. tongue.gif
zeti to be replaced in apr, right?

we'll see how the market reacts to the new governor.
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Wondering the USD/MYR will jump Up or Down in 2016?
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The second half of December 2015 has seen a weak month for the USD indeed, having softened against all of the other major currencies in the thin holiday market trading conditions, as traders are taking their year end break away from trading before deciding to make any trading decisions yet... (But the rally of the USD will begin again as soon as the first week of 2016 as traders & investors are anticipating no less than 4 incoming rate hikes from the FED in 2016...)

As the market draws to a close right before the new year just now, the USD started to gain stronger again as traders started placing their confidence in the USD...;

Dollar Firms as 2015 Draws to a Close:
December 31, 2015 13:38 ET (18:38 GMT)
By Ira Iosebashvili

The dollar rose against most major currencies on Thursday, as traders closed out the year betting on a rise in the U.S. currency.

The Wall Street Journal Dollar Index, which gauges the dollar against a basket of 16 other currencies, was recently up 0.2% at 90.19. The index has gained more than 8% this year, buoyed by expectations of an interest-rate increase from the Federal Reserve.

The central bank raised rates for the first time in nearly a decade on Dec. 16, and is expected to further tighten monetary policy next year.

Higher borrowing costs are a boon to the dollar, as they make the currency more attractive to yield-seeking investors.

"The improving yield appeal of dollar assets in a Fed tightening cycle remains the single biggest driver of the greenback over the long-term," wrote Omer Esiner, chief market analyst at Commonwealth Foreign Exchange, in a note to clients.

"As such, 2016 is widely expected to see the greenback add to 2015's gains."

In New York trading, the euro was recently down 0.5% at $1.0870. The dollar was down 0.3% against the yen at Y120.20. Sterling was off 0.5% at $1.4750.

Write to Ira Iosebashvili at ira.iosebashvili@wsj.com

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P.S.; the WTI oil price "shoot-up" very close to 38.30 just earlier (just moments before the market closed) due to the thin market trading conditions..., but it is still forecast that the oil price will continue declining further in 2016 (as the supply are still well exceeding the demands)...

We will see what happens to USDMYR then...

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35 is too low for oil. Someone will cut production eventually, storage will clear and oil will come back to 50-60.
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35 is too low for oil. Someone will cut production eventually, storage will clear and oil will come back to 50-60.
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Increase price of oil we die. Don't increase we die. Better not increase. Let some people know how hard to "borrow" and make them crack their head.
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USD-MYR 4.334... Ringgit is slowly slipping away... will we see 4.46 again by the end of this month?
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without BND support, cuti sekolah end....MYR losing laugh.gif...as expected after few weeks of MYR maintain
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what should we do if it keeps going down? is it wise to buy some us currency?
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what should we do if it keeps going down? is it wise to buy some us currency?
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Almost all currencies are slipping against USD for today, not RM alone, while RM vs other currencies generally is quite stable across.

Unless you buy USD, if not, it makes little different.
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Almost all currencies are slipping against USD for today, not RM alone, while RM vs other currencies generally is quite stable across.

Unless you buy USD, if not, it makes little different.
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Thanks Cherroy.


Experts,

If you were to choose between Ringgit and Yuan now, which one would you keep, say for the next 1 year. I am still holding on to some Yuan when the exchange rate was 1RMB to 0.68RM...
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QUOTE(PenangLaksa @ Jan 4 2016, 04:32 PM)
If you were to choose between Ringgit and Yuan now, which one would you keep, say for the next 1 year. I am still holding on to some Yuan when the exchange rate was 1RMB to 0.68RM...
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whatever currency u want to hold, there is always a second part - what is that foreign currency earning u?

if i am to choose keeping rm or rmb under the mattress, i will choose rmb.

if i am to deposit in bank fd, rm may work out better or same.
(rmb deposits in sg earns 3.5-4% p.a.)
http://www.bankofchina.com/sg/bocinfo/bi2/...07_4845484.html

if i am to choose buying stocks in bursa or china bourses, that's a lot more difficult to say.

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The ringgit and rupiah weakened the most in three weeks as an escalation of tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia bolstered demand for the dollar. The benchmark KLCI stock index retreated while a gauge of the greenback climbed as Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Iran after its embassy in Tehran was attacked to protest the Saudis’ execution of a prominent Shia cleric. - See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...h.WiMvK0I4.dpuf
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1.00 USD = 4.35 MYR ohmy.gif sweat.gif
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人民币面对澜壮阔的外流,大马的定海神针在摇晃

我们今天看到马币在摇晃,就是大后台人民币也在摇晃的缘故。

自从2015年11月份李克强来马后,无限量支持马来西亚政府资金要求,而我们的政府乐呵呵变卖党国资产。

马币走势那时起,就跟中国的政经局势捆绑在一起。

不管中東阿拉伯和伊朗的因素,油价天天谷底,马币尤如定海神针,兑美元一直徘徊4.30,不动如山。

但是事件可以一体很多面,如果我们的大后台人民币出现摇晃,马币就晃得更厉害。

我们是抱着定海神针,还是孙悟空的金箍棒?

今年10月份以前就会更加清晰。

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人民币面对澜壮阔的外流,大马的定海神针在摇晃

我们今天看到马币在摇晃,就是大后台人民币也在摇晃的缘故。

自从2015年11月份李克强来马后,无限量支持马来西亚政府资金要求,而我们的政府乐呵呵变卖党国资产。

马币走势那时起,就跟中国的政经局势捆绑在一起。

不管中東阿拉伯和伊朗的因素,油价天天谷底,马币尤如定海神针,兑美元一直徘徊4.30,不动如山。

但是事件可以一体很多面,如果我们的大后台人民币出现摇晃,马币就晃得更厉害。

我们是抱着定海神针,还是孙悟空的金箍棒?

今年10月份以前就会更加清晰。
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QUOTE(PenangLaksa @ Jan 4 2016, 04:32 PM)
Thanks Cherroy.
Experts,

If you were to choose between Ringgit and Yuan now, which one would you keep, say for the next 1 year. I am still holding on to some Yuan when the exchange rate was 1RMB to 0.68RM...
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hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif should i buy big or buy small.
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QUOTE(PenangLaksa @ Jan 4 2016, 04:32 PM)
Thanks Cherroy.
Experts,

If you were to choose between Ringgit and Yuan now, which one would you keep, say for the next 1 year. I am still holding on to some Yuan when the exchange rate was 1RMB to 0.68RM...
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hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif should i buy big or buy small.
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QUOTE(PenangLaksa @ Jan 4 2016, 04:32 PM)
Thanks Cherroy.
Experts,

If you were to choose between Ringgit and Yuan now, which one would you keep, say for the next 1 year. I am still holding on to some Yuan when the exchange rate was 1RMB to 0.68RM...
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U may consider HKD when USD is strong
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Would the increase tension between Saudi and Iran cause the price of oil to go up?
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Would the increase tension between Saudi and Iran cause the price of oil to go up?
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Oil may fall to $18 amid Saudi-Iran tensions: Kilduff
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"I think you're going to get as low as $18 and maybe get as high as $48. ... It's going to get really ugly,"

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/04/oil-may-hit...ns-kilduff.html
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Dollar Stronger Across Asia With Global Risk Aversion -- Market Talk

January 04, 2016 19:17 ET (00:17 GMT)

0017 GMT [Dow Jones] The safe haven U.S. dollar is up broadly across Asia for a second day as risk aversion that was sparked by a sharp drop in Chinese stocks Monday roiled global markets overnight, sending U.S. stocks down 1.5%. The fallout of Monday's plunge in the China stock market may yet be over, as traders brace for a possible end of a six-month equity-selling ban this week, which could unleash a deluge of pent-up pessimism among investors.

The sense of global risk aversion was reinforced by a rise in gold prices, even as the U.S. dollar index rallied; the price of gold, denominated in dollars, typically falls as the greenback rises. A continuation of the risk-off theme is likely, and therefore the dollar might keep climbing versus emerging market currencies, unless China's stock market manages to rebound significantly. (ewen.chew@wsj.com)

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Even though if MYR may not weaken at all, the USD is still looking set to get stronger in 2016...

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4 Jan 2016 07:40 UTC - 5 Jan 2016 07:43 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.33519 low:4.32993 high:4.36102

Moving up slowly to 4.40 level
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 5 2016, 03:47 PM)
4 Jan 2016 07:40 UTC - 5 Jan 2016 07:43 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.33519 low:4.32993 high:4.36102

Moving up slowly to 4.40 level
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5 Jan 2016 02:00 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 02:07 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.36298 low:4.32863 high:4.36424


4.40 may come before the week is over.
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usd suddenly shot up against all currencies in the last 30 min.

5 Jan 2016 14:50 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 02:52 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.38337 low:4.34050 high:4.38337


something to do with this?
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Yuan Sinks to Five-Year Low as PBOC Surprises With Weaker Fixing
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...cut-for-7th-day

More fixing along the way...
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 10:55 AM)
usd suddenly shot up against all currencies in the last 30 min.

5 Jan 2016 14:50 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 02:52 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.38337 low:4.34050 high:4.38337


something to do with this?
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USD shoot up across against all currencies.

Investors always flee to USD if there is such an event.



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 6 2016, 02:59 PM)
USD shoot up across against all currencies.

Investors always flee to USD if there is such an event.
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yep, a bit worse for rm, lost 1% today, due to china too.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 4 2016, 03:22 PM)
Almost all currencies are slipping against USD for today, not RM alone, while RM vs other currencies generally is quite stable across.

Unless you buy USD, if not, it makes little different.
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How about HKD? It is being pegged to the USD.
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QUOTE(wu ming @ Jan 6 2016, 03:25 PM)
How about HKD? It is being pegged to the USD.
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You already answered yourself. laugh.gif

Peg - fix currency with USD, so USD rise against others, HKD will follow the same magnitude.
If not, investors will take opportunity to arbitrage already to earn free money.
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QUOTE(wu ming @ Jan 6 2016, 03:25 PM)
How about HKD? It is being pegged to the USD.
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japanese yen! biggrin.gif

it rose against the usd today at 118.

it must be the only one in the world that gained today.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 03:45 PM)
japanese yen! biggrin.gif

it rose against the usd today at 118.

it must be the only one in the world that gained today.
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The yen is not an official currency outside Japan and no other national currency is pegged to the yen.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 03:45 PM)
japanese yen! biggrin.gif

it rose against the usd today at 118.

it must be the only one in the world that gained today.
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That's it - if the USD and the JPY strengthens together, then its definitely a safe-haven event...
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 6 2016, 02:57 PM)
Yuan Sinks to Five-Year Low as PBOC Surprises With Weaker Fixing
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...cut-for-7th-day

More fixing along the way...
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If the RMB is devalued again, it will drag the SGD down. Hence, we see the USD/SGD rising....
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 6 2016, 03:30 PM)
You already answered yourself.  laugh.gif

Peg - fix currency with USD, so USD rise against others, HKD will follow the same magnitude.
If not, investors will take opportunity to arbitrage already to earn free money.
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But don't forget too that there are costs to the local currency too if it wishes to peg and follow the USD closely.
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QUOTE(Bread and Milk @ Jan 6 2016, 04:11 PM)
As long as someone resign I believe that rm will start to rise again.
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guess it would be around 3.80 - 4.00 range. Not like now cry.gif
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As long as someone resign I believe that rm will start to rise again.
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One way to avoid having to check the figure everyday is to simply split your holdings into several currencies right ?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 10:12 AM)
5 Jan 2016 02:00 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 02:07 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.36298 low:4.32863 high:4.36424
4.40 may come before the week is over.
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Your prediction hit Jackpot rclxms.gif
5 Jan 2016 09:20 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 09:27 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.40002 low:4.33970 high:4.40342

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walao hit 4.40 myr shocking.gif end of the week 4.50? doh.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jan 6 2016, 05:31 PM)
Your prediction hit Jackpot  rclxms.gif
5 Jan 2016 09:20 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 09:27 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.40002 low:4.33970 high:4.40342
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Think will trend lower as crude approaches 35 and China/rmb weakness.

RM undisputed Asian champ today. Rupiah did not go half as low...



Btw, there is no news about budget review yet, right?

Every analyst is watching closely how putarjaya will deal with the deficits for 2015 and 2016.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 6 2016, 05:51 PM)
walao hit 4.40 myr shocking.gif end of the week 4.50? doh.gif
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u may yet be right.

5 Jan 2016 11:20 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 11:24 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.41820 low:4.33970 high:4.41820


5pm:

rm -1.35%
aud - 1.28%
nzd -0.9%
won -0.75%
sgd -0.65%
rmb -0.59%
rupiah -0.37%
phil peso -0.32%
baht -0.20%
yen +0.6%

can't say it's just usd gaining.

rm and aud are good friends now... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 6 2016, 05:51 PM)
walao hit 4.40 myr shocking.gif end of the week 4.50? doh.gif
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end of week usually goes lower
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 07:32 PM)
rm and aud are good friends now... laugh.gif
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Who is senior n junior? brows.gif
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4.42 and still increasing
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 07:32 PM)
u may yet be right.

5 Jan 2016 11:20 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 11:24 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.41820 low:4.33970 high:4.41820


5pm:

rm -1.35%
aud - 1.28%
nzd -0.9%
won -0.75%
sgd -0.65%
rmb -0.59%
rupiah -0.37%
phil peso -0.32%
baht -0.20%
yen +0.6%

can't say it's just usd gaining.

rm and aud are good friends now... laugh.gif
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both rm & aud have something common. commodity export country rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(KTCY @ Jan 6 2016, 07:54 PM)
end of week usually goes lower
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oh like that blush.gif u have good observation skills icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 6 2016, 09:59 PM)
both rm & aud have something common. commodity export country  rolleyes.gif
oh like that  blush.gif  u have good observation skills  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Not really observation. I always transfer money back Msia when it strike the highest. So i kinda get disappointed a few times when I try to do it over weekend laugh.gif
Lesson learnt from there.
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Who is senior n junior?  brows.gif
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actually, both losers.

however, for those paying fees to aussie affiliated colleges/uni's or buying aussie beef/lamb, the prices in RM keep going up.

these aussie biz people must be costing and pricing in USD! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jan 6 2016, 10:00 PM)
Not really observation. I always transfer money back Msia when it strike the highest. So i kinda get disappointed a few times when I try to do it over weekend laugh.gif
Lesson learnt from there.
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do transfer more money back home. Malaysia needed it badly now icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jan 6 2016, 09:59 PM)
4.42 and still increasing
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walao... this is bad.. lost 2% in <24 hours. sweat.gif

5 Jan 2016 14:00 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 14:02 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.42450 low:4.34050 high:4.42590



what happened to "strong fundamentals"?

what happened to the "magic"?

hey, where is showtime747?!! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 10:08 PM)
walao... this is bad.. lost 2% in <24 hours. sweat.gif

5 Jan 2016 14:00 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 14:02 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.42450 low:4.34050 high:4.42590

what happened to "strong fundamentals"?

what happened to the "magic"?

hey, where is showtime747?!! tongue.gif
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Maybe magic isn't so magical.
After all Najib failed his promise and sold the piece of Malaysia land at dirt cheap price. Not to mention the price diff reported between 1MDB and China Rail
Malaysia doh.gif doh.gif
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what happened to the "magic"?
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Perhaps v need an illusion now tongue.gif
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Maybe magic isn't so magical.
After all Najib failed his promise and sold the piece of Malaysia land at dirt cheap price. Not to mention the price diff reported between 1MDB and China Rail
Malaysia  doh.gif  doh.gif
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well it's one of the many reason of bad myr performance tis week..
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well it's one of the many reason of bad myr performance tis week..
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Ringgit is quite emotional.
Saudi Iran Tension
China market huge drops
China slowing demand
China dropping reference rate
N.korea nuke test
I wonder what is not affecting ringgit these days. 😂
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 6 2016, 10:08 PM)
walao... this is bad.. lost 2% in <24 hours. sweat.gif

5 Jan 2016 14:00 UTC - 6 Jan 2016 14:02 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.42450 low:4.34050 high:4.42590

what happened to "strong fundamentals"?

what happened to the "magic"?

hey, where is showtime747?!! tongue.gif
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I am still around tongue.gif

Over the last few months, the RM behaved like "magic". When it should depreciate/appreciate due to oil price/political circus show, RM moved the opposite. I have been talking about it, but you don't believe. "Something behind" was happening which caused the "magic" in the last few months tongue.gif

Most people only believe in the market machanism (fundamental). And analyst's comment after the event can always "explain" why it happened. When RM depreciated, analysts say that is because oil price dropped below $50. But when oil price dropped below $40 and RM appreciated instead, the analysts got something else for explanation thumbup.gif

Analysts can always explain (but only after the event). But in some cases, it was the hidden hands which manupilated the market and caused the magic. If everything moves according to a set rules like the analysts say, then it will be easy to make money in the market. The analysts don't need the analyst job anymore.

The magic actually come from the rumour on "the company". The 1st part of the rumour came true exactly according to script. Now let's see the second part, which is even more "earth shaking", will come true. If that happens, it should occur before GE14. Maybe 1 year before mid 2017, or even earlier ?

For those who missed the opportunity to convert RM to USD at 4.2xxx, I think there will always be another opportunity. But the usual problem is when RM back up to 4.2xxx, he will wait for 4.1xxx instead tongue.gif Usual psychology and that's why people miss boats.

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I am still around  tongue.gif

Over the last few months, the RM behaved like "magic". When it should depreciate/appreciate due to oil price/political circus show, RM moved the opposite. I have been talking about it, but you don't believe. "Something behind" was happening which caused the "magic" in the last few months tongue.gif

Most people only believe in the market machanism (fundamental). And analyst's comment after the event can always "explain" why it happened. When RM depreciated, analysts say that is because oil price dropped below $50. But when oil price dropped below $40 and RM appreciated instead, the analysts got something else for explanation  thumbup.gif

Analysts can always explain (but only after the event). But in some cases, it was the hidden hands which manupilated the market and caused the magic. If everything moves according to a set rules like the analysts say, then it will be easy to make money in the market. The analysts don't need the analyst job anymore.

The magic actually come from the rumour on "the company". The 1st part of the rumour came true exactly according to script. Now let's see the second part, which is even more "earth shaking", will come true. If that happens, it should occur before GE14. Maybe 1 year before mid 2017, or even earlier ?

For those who missed the opportunity to convert RM to USD at 4.2xxx, I think there will always be another opportunity. But the usual problem is when RM back up to 4.2xxx, he will wait for 4.1xxx instead  tongue.gif  Usual psychology and that's why people miss boats.
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if u mean the magic was selling national assets and land, ok... can say u were right. biggrin.gif

earth shaking next move... i hope it's not selling klcc or klia. come think of it, likely candidates should be MAS, Proton and other big perennial cash sucking blackholes and where N may want to get back at M??

the last time i bought, it was 4.30. i was waiting for <4.20 to buy more but it never happened. so, i continue to wait...
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Good points.. AV and good to see you again, Showtime,... in terms of converting RM to USD, if, say, the USD is too high, I tend to take another route : I will convert from RM to SGD first, since the conversion is still 'affordable'. SGD too has depreciated in tandem with the RM against the USD.

Confidence in the SGD is always there. Sooner or later,.. the SGD will regain its strength. It's always okay to keep the SGD.
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If current market sentiment persists, Us$/myr likely to range 4.50 to 4.70.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2016, 10:39 AM)
if u mean the magic was selling national assets and land, ok... can say u were right. biggrin.gif
Magic --> cannot be explained by the usual fundamentals tongue.gif

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2016, 10:39 AM)
earth shaking next move... i hope it's not selling klcc or klia. come think of it, likely candidates should be MAS, Proton and other big perennial cash sucking blackholes and where N may want to get back at M??

the last time i bought, it was 4.30. i was waiting for <4.20 to buy more but it never happened. so, i continue to wait...
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This was the rumour I received which was posted here in early October when RM appreciated from 4.4xxx to 4.1xxx while oil price remained at around $45 during the period

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Insider of the highest sources claims the political debacles encountered recently will be solved in the coming few weeks with concrete master plan set out that all assets of the Company have been ear picked for sale and negotiation with concrete purchasers are in very advance stages. Total proceeds from the sale will be more than enough to settle all outstanding debts, giving some sizeable profits, and thus eliminates the threat to the banking system and the currency. The most shocking breakthrough is a succession plan has already been agreed upon at the highest level by all interested parties and a smooth transition will be carried out to minimise damages to the image of the organisation, thus paving the way for next general election in order to consolidate the position of the new team.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 7 2016, 11:40 AM)
Good points.. AV and good to see you again, Showtime,... in terms of converting RM to USD, if, say, the USD is too high, I tend to take another route : I will convert from RM to SGD first, since the conversion is still 'affordable'. SGD too has depreciated in tandem with the RM against the USD.

Confidence in the SGD is always there. Sooner or later,.. the SGD will regain its strength. It's always okay to keep the SGD.
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Good strategy for short term.

In long term, I am converting RM to USD/SGD/AUD/GBP regardless of the rates. With not so good prospect on the malaysian economy (and hence RM) over long term, averaging out over the years will still provide forex gains


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Lol.. How to buy goods in rm?
Weimar republic here we come

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succession plan
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this one... very fluid la... already thrown around for some time.

we will just see what we will see.
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Awaiting USD/MYR to break 4.46 mark which was last seen since end Sep 2015
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Awaiting 4.45 level for me to transfer my USD back to Malaysia blush.gif
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In long term, I am converting RM to USD/SGD/AUD/GBP regardless of the rates. With not so good prospect on the malaysian economy (and hence RM) over long term, averaging out over the years will still provide forex gains
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that is what is what most people who have the resources and the vision will do.

a currency can only appr if good investments are made with sound policies years ago to bring increasing income, trade surplus, fdi, fx inflows in the future. it does not and cannot happen by doing nothing or the opposite or just becos some loud mouths/worm brains call for it.

it certainly won't appr by wasting funds, ignoring missing billions, borrowing more or selling prime national assets.

is it that hard to understand? tongue.gif

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Awaiting 4.45 level for me to transfer my USD back to Malaysia blush.gif
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please transfer "big" amount tis round icon_rolleyes.gif BolehLand needed your money blush.gif
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please transfer "big" amount tis round  icon_rolleyes.gif  BolehLand needed your money  blush.gif
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I'm only ikan bilis, where got 'big' money like you? blush.gif

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dropping back to 4.38 tongue.gif
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dropping back to 4.38 tongue.gif
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with crude at 32.20, i can almost assure u it will go back 4.4x by 5pm. tongue.gif
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Today it is a strange day for RM.

Oil plunges severely.
Most currencies drop against USD.
But RM rise against USD.
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6 Jan 2016 09:00 UTC - 7 Jan 2016 09:00 UTC
USD/MYR close:4.40081 low:4.37790 high:4.43676

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2016, 03:01 PM)
this one... very fluid la... already thrown around for some time.

we will just see what we will see.
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The 1st part of the rumour came true.

Now is the second part. Like the first part when I post up here, most people don't believe "the company's" problem can be solved in such short time. But it did

So, now the second part is also very hard to believe. Not many believe he will relinquish his post now. But overall for his organisation, it would be better off with him vacating his seat
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 7 2016, 03:21 PM)
that is what is what most people who have the resources and the vision will do.

a currency can only appr if good investments are made with sound policies years ago to bring increasing income, trade surplus, fdi, fx inflows in the future. it does not and cannot happen by doing nothing or the opposite or just becos some loud mouths/worm brains call for it.

it certainly won't appr by wasting funds, ignoring missing billions, borrowing more or selling prime national assets.

is it that hard to understand? tongue.gif
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Old bird like you understand the whole picture thumbup.gif

But you can see in this thread there are many people still asking whether it is a good idea to convert their RM to forex. They find it hard to understand the gloomy future they are facing doh.gif
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Today it is a strange day for RM.

Oil plunges severely.
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But RM rise against USD.
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You call it "strange". I call it "magic" tongue.gif

This happened before many times just last 2-3 months ago. It is "fundamentally defying" due to "hidden hands".
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 7 2016, 12:59 PM)
Good strategy for short term.

In long term, I am converting RM to USD/SGD/AUD/GBP regardless of the rates. With not so good prospect on the malaysian economy (and hence RM) over long term, averaging out over the years will still provide forex gains
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Hope you don't mind me asking, how are you going to convert your money to USD, GBP? Are you going.to fly there and open an account there?
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 7 2016, 06:37 PM)
You call it "strange". I call it "magic"  tongue.gif

This happened before many times just last 2-3 months ago. It is "fundamentally defying" due to "hidden hands".
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The Msian mkt is always like that,... always have hidden hands im play,... seldom following fundamentals. Anyway, I'm sure even 'hidden hands' will run out of bullets in the long run.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 7 2016, 06:40 PM)
The Msian mkt is always like that,... always have hidden hands im play,... seldom following fundamentals. Anyway, I'm sure even 'hidden hands' will run out of bullets in the long run.
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Well bnm reserves are not used or else we will see a decline in reserves.
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Hope you don't mind me asking, how are you going to convert your money to USD, GBP? Are you going.to fly there and open an account there?
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You can open foreign currency accounts with the banks in malaysia. After that, you can buy/sell at bank rates, or use DCI to convert at spot rate

I also have accounts in other countries. The malaysian branch of the banks helped me to open those overseas accounts so I don't need to fly there. But I think you have to have certain minimum amount to do that. After opening those accounts, you can transfer funds between those overseas account via internet/phone/email/fax/whatsapp depending on the banks' SOP
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Well bnm reserves are not used or else we will see a decline in reserves.
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That is why we call it 'hidden hands'. And not intervention by the central bank.

The funds to support the RM may or may not have come from BNM.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 7 2016, 06:40 PM)
The Msian mkt is always like that,... always have hidden hands im play,... seldom following fundamentals. Anyway, I'm sure even 'hidden hands' will run out of bullets in the long run.
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Couldn't wait for them to finish their business shakehead.gif

RM should have breached 4.50 easily if everything go according to fundamentals
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You can open foreign currency accounts with the banks in malaysia. After that, you can buy/sell at bank rates, or use DCI to convert at spot rate

I also have accounts in other countries. The malaysian branch of the banks helped me to open those overseas accounts so I don't need to fly there. But I think you have to have certain minimum amount to do that. After opening those accounts, you can transfer funds between those overseas account via internet/phone/email/fax/whatsapp depending on the banks' SOP
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End of the day, if you are not rich, you cannot open those account in another country from Malaysia. sad.gif If opening a foreign account in malaysia, it still makes no difference as the money is still in malaysian bank.

Looks like for not so rich people, the only hope is to fly there and open from there. sad.gif Rather than having a certain limit with certain banks.

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 7 2016, 06:34 PM)
Old bird like you understand the whole picture  thumbup.gif

But you can see in this thread there are many people still asking whether it is a good idea to convert their RM to forex. They find it hard to understand the gloomy future they are facing  doh.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 7 2016, 06:56 PM)
Couldn't wait for them to finish their business  shakehead.gif

RM should have breached 4.50 easily if everything go according to fundamentals
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Please don't. Let Aud sink to 0.65 first..... smile.gif
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Couldn't wait for them to finish their business  shakehead.gif

RM should have breached 4.50 easily if everything go according to fundamentals
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The biz will never be finished.

As long the crooks get the blind support, it will be the same or worse.

I agree 4.50 will be the average for next 2 years; the fundamentals are getting weaker as more money and talent get chased out.

When we get nearer to ge14 in 2018, there will be some manipulated movement attempted.

But alas, small economies with little to show can't do much.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 7 2016, 06:59 PM)
End of the day, if you are not rich, you cannot open those account in another country from Malaysia. sad.gif If opening a foreign account in malaysia, it still makes no difference as the money is still in malaysian bank.

Looks like for not so rich people, the only hope is to fly there and open from there. sad.gif Rather than having a certain limit with certain banks.
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Use foreign banks in Malaysia as compromise. For small amount it is not worth the trouble to fly out of the country to open bank accounts.

Anyway, I don't think the financial system in Malaysia will collapse. So banks in Malaysia are still safe.
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with crude at 32.20, i can almost assure u it will go back 4.4x by 5pm. tongue.gif
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Please don't. Let Aud sink to 0.65 first..... smile.gif
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The biz will never be finished.

As long the crooks get the blind support, it will be the same or worse.

I agree 4.50 will be the average for next 2 years; the fundamentals are getting weaker as more money and talent get chased out.

When we get nearer to ge14 in 2018, there will be some manipulated movement attempted.

But alas, small economies with little to show can't do much.
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Exactly. With the current development, it's just a matter of time RM will drop further.
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Please don't. Let Aud sink to 0.65 first..... smile.gif
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Please don't ! I play the carry trade. The AUD must stay above 0.6900, at the very least,....
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so china depreciate their currency again today, affect global currency.
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so china depreciate their currency again today, affect global currency.
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More like affecting EM currencies,....
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Use foreign banks in Malaysia as compromise. For small amount it is not worth the trouble to fly out of the country to open bank accounts.

Anyway, I don't think the financial system in Malaysia will collapse. So banks in Malaysia are still safe.
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Banking system is the least of our worries. Imagine myr becomes as bad as rupiah. Heck, even rupiah outperform us.
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Highlight: Bank Negara's foreign reserves fall 17.8% y-o-y to US$95.3b as at end-2015 | The Edge Markets
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Highlight: Bank Negara's foreign reserves fall 17.8% y-o-y to US$95.3b as at end-2015 | The Edge Markets
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Hidden hands uses money from bnm? shocking.gif

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If current market sentiment persists, Us$/myr likely to range 4.50 to 4.70.
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I like that - i hope USD gets to 4.7 to 5.0 range - about time for USD to regain strength!
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Banking system is the least of our worries. Imagine myr becomes as bad as rupiah. Heck, even rupiah outperform us.
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If you are not worried about malaysian banking system, why do you insist on opening a bank account overseas ?
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I like that - i hope USD gets to 4.7 to 5.0 range - about time for USD to regain strength!
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I like that - i hope USD gets to 4.7 to 5.0 range - about time for USD to regain strength!
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 7 2016, 06:59 PM)
End of the day, if you are not rich, you cannot open those account in another country from Malaysia. sad.gif If opening a foreign account in malaysia, it still makes no difference as the money is still in malaysian bank.

Looks like for not so rich people, the only hope is to fly there and open from there. sad.gif Rather than having a certain limit with certain banks.
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Grass is not necessary greener on the other side.

Malaysia banks that are well run, their fundamental are not bad, in fact on par with some developed countries famous banks, and they may have lesser exposure to risky asset especially for the like exotic derivatives etc, due to Malaysia banks are more conservative compared to others developed country banks.

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Sources: China wants quick, sharp currency decline

China's central bank is under increasing pressure from policy advisers to let the yuan currency fall quickly and sharply, by as much as 10-15 percent, as its recent gradual softening is thought to be doing more harm than good.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/07/sources-chi...cy-decline.html

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Grass is not necessary greener on the other side.

Malaysia banks that are well run, their fundamental are not bad, in fact on par with some developed countries famous banks, and they may have lesser exposure to risky asset especially for the like exotic derivatives etc, due to Malaysia banks are more conservative compared to others developed country banks.
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Is not the bank problem. But the value of our ringgit. Rupiah and bhat have managed to do better than us. Even if you have the best banks in the world but with a s*** currency, you are becoming poorer as sooner or later, things in your own country will increase to match the high foreign currency exchange. All basic necessities will go up.
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something to watch in the morning:
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Don't mind me asking, if China devalue their currency some more, would it put pressure on the USD or it will give the USD a boost?
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Don't mind me asking, if China devalue their currency some more, would it put pressure on the USD or it will give the USD a boost?
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rmb devaluation means devalue it against the usd.

usd is #1 world currency, not pressured.

smaller countries currencies having china as major trading partner will be - particularly malaysia, singapore, south korea.

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Is not the bank problem. But the value of our ringgit. Rupiah and bhat have managed to do better than us. Even if you have the best banks in the world but with a s*** currency, you are becoming poorer as sooner or later, things in your own country will increase to match the high foreign  currency exchange. All basic necessities will go up.
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You have either misunderstood the topic, or just finding excuse to sit tight with your RM tongue.gif
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You have either misunderstood the topic, or just finding excuse to sit tight with your RM  tongue.gif
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I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to cherroy. He said there's no problem in malaysian banking system. Saying some of our banks are on par with developed countries bank. So I said what's the use of best banking system in the world if your currency loses out to indon and Thai? In the long term, keeping money in Malaysia will make us poorer (price of stuff increases to match usd-myr exchange rates)
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 03:00 AM)
Is not the bank problem. But the value of our ringgit. Rupiah and bhat have managed to do better than us. Even if you have the best banks in the world but with a s*** currency, you are becoming poorer as sooner or later, things in your own country will increase to match the high foreign  currency exchange. All basic necessities will go up.
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Local banks have foreign currency account/time deposit, you can easily exchange RM to USD AUD, JPY, GBP and deposit into those account, while DCI is also easily available across banks to mitigate the risk of RM. You do not need to go to oversea to have a foreign currency nowadays to hedge against RM if one views RM is weak.

Foreign currency deposit in local banks are ten of billions and is still increasing, latest reported by the media, total worth more than RM70 bil equivalent.
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ggit/?style=biz

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Don't mind me asking, if China devalue their currency some more, would it put pressure on the USD or it will give the USD a boost?
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It is an extra boost to USD.
Now USD is like the "king" of currency. Everyone devalue against USD.

When Yuan devalues, it put more pressure on emerging countries currencies.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 07:43 AM)
I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to cherroy. He said there's no problem in malaysian banking system. Saying some of our banks are on par with developed countries bank. So I said what's the use of best banking system in the world if your currency loses out to indon and Thai?  In the long term, keeping money in Malaysia will make us poorer (price of stuff increases to match usd-myr exchange rates)
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cherroy has explained to you above. Hope you understand what he said. Be clear of what you want (as in the original question you asked me). You can achieve what you want with a local bank instead of flying out of the country
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 07:43 AM)
I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to cherroy. He said there's no problem in malaysian banking system. Saying some of our banks are on par with developed countries bank. So I said what's the use of best banking system in the world if your currency loses out to indon and Thai?  In the long term, keeping money in Malaysia will make us poorer (price of stuff increases to match usd-myr exchange rates)
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Malaysian banking system no problem? What a joke. If no problem will they keep on offering high interest FDs with lock in periods whistling.gif
A banking system has no problem when savings interest are < 50% from BLR/BR nod.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 8 2016, 07:43 AM)
I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to cherroy. He said there's no problem in malaysian banking system. Saying some of our banks are on par with developed countries bank. So I said what's the use of best banking system in the world if your currency loses out to indon and Thai?  In the long term, keeping money in Malaysia will make us poorer (price of stuff increases to match usd-myr exchange rates)
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strength of banking system is a basis for a stable currency but it does not "guarantee" a strong one.

rm has lost a lot more than the baht or even rupiah for many reasons we already know. basically:

.. thailand has similar debt like msia but is a huge consumer of oil/oil products - a lot to gain from low oil price.
.. indon has much lower debt but like msia is very commodity export based incl palm oil; raised int rate in nov 2015.
.. msia has china as major trading partner and china is slowing, rmb been devaluing.
.. msia has "bijan chronicles" that have not been cleared in the minds of investors, foreign and domestic.

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strength of banking system is a basis for a stable currency but it does not "guarantee" a strong one.

rm has lost a lot more than the baht or even rupiah
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That's what I am saying. Despite strong banks, our ringgit have fallen the worse in these region.
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That's what I am saying. Despite strong banks, our ringgit have fallen the worse in these region.
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well, imagine what would have happened if the banks are in bad shape! laugh.gif


as for price increases, watch post CNY - some price increases will be shocking.
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That's what I am saying. Despite strong banks, our ringgit have fallen the worse in these region.
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You also can have a strong currency, but a poor bank.

See how banks nearly collapse in those developed countries (even a few name famous worldwide well known banks) during 2008 financial crisis, despite with a super strong currency.
Greece also is using a strong currency aka Euro, so good to fly there to make a deposit?

You do not need directly go to overseas to mitigate the RM depreciation.
There are plenty of financial tool that can serve this purpose. eg.

1. Have a USD time deposit with local bank.
2. Invest in global UT that act as feeder fund to USD denominated mutual fund at overseas.
3. Invest in foreign equities directly, as nowadays there are many investment offering such a service already.
4. Invest in foreign ETF.
5. Invest in KLSE stocks that benefit from RM depreciation.
etc.



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well, imagine what would have happened if the banks are in bad shape! laugh.gif
as for price increases, watch post CNY - some price increases will be shocking.
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Well I am not in malaysia. So I can't keep tab of what will increase. sad.gif

But I know last time I was back for Christmas, things are ridiculously expensive like normal pens! shocking.gif
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rm lead among asian currencies to recover against usd.

down #1, up also #1! biggrin.gif


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People's Bank of China sets yuan fix at 6.5636 versus 6.5646 Thursday

China's central bank guided the yuan a shade higher Friday, reversing eight days of declines in the currency that rocked financial markets and fanned renewed worries over the health of the world's second-largest economy.

The People's Bank of China (PBOC) set the yuan reference rate at 6.5636 against the dollar, up 0.02 percent from Thursday's fix and higher than the yuan's closing rate of 6.5929 in onshore trading on Thursday.

China's central bank lets the yuan spot rate rise or fall a maximum of 2 percent against the dollar, relative to the official fixing rate.
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rm lead among asian currencies to recover against usd.

down #1, up also #1! biggrin.gif
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