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post Nov 23 2015, 05:05 PM

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Nearly all major subjects except languages are in bm. Guess that system failed if we still need to learn it.
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post Nov 23 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 05:01 PM)
Riduan sure attractive la
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QUOTE(rjsyazwan @ Nov 23 2015, 05:00 PM)
Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(rjsyazwan @ Nov 23 2015, 05:00 PM)
Of course it is not simple, people will always find ways to segregate us.

But imo I felt it is always been attractive when speakers from other native tounge able to converse bahasa.
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IMHO, i think so too.

QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 05:01 PM)
Riduan sure attractive la
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hell no
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 22 2015, 08:03 PM)
In politics, you have to think how your opponent and the voters react.  By doing what DAP MP did, that is not how you win politics.  Orang melayu akan lagi jauh dari menyokong DAP.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 23 2015, 09:41 AM)
It is really "up to you lah"

That was my point.

Nobody has the right to force anyone to learn Bahasa.
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just like a parent have no rights over their children, or a company no rights over what their employees need or need not have? in Malaysia, the Government asks it's people to speak the national language. I think it's a fair enough requirement.

QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Nov 23 2015, 10:30 AM)
What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

What do you call a Malaysian who is embarrassed to speak Bahasa Melayu?
A realist.

What do you call a Malaysian who prefers to speak anything but Bahasa Melayu?
Well-traveled.

What do you call a Malaysian who upholds his/her native language at the expense of Bahasa Melayu?
Traditional.
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1. yes a malaysian, but what kind of malaysian? the reason he/she decide not to speak the language speaks about the person.
2.a realist? how so?
3.well-travelled... wha? what does that have to do with anything?? in any case, so most people here who despises the malay language is well traveled? I bet you most of them do not even bother to learn the language of the country their visiting..
4.you can uphold the language spoken by your forefathers no problem. no problem with being traditional as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
but it'd be really great to learn the national language too. if you have not learned it due to the lack of exposure, then I understand, and I hope the govenrment would better remedial the issue. if they are really keen having the people conversing in malay.

tldr:
Basically.. everyone or anyone is a malaysian either he/she be a criminial, unkind,uncaring,dishonorable,kind,nice,hardworking,etc.. but
the reason's you chose not to learn the language might refeclt on what kind of malaysian you are. the matter is nuanced. it's not as simple as being practising one's right or not.


QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Nov 23 2015, 10:46 AM)
Ya ya, true also. Now just learn malay for unity lah, if not how malay accept non-malays?

When you non-malays make complain about laid back working style of malays, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace laid back lifestyle la!

When you non-malays make noise about azan calls in the morning, how can malays accept non-malays? nons must learn how to embrace azan calls laaa!

When Christians put cross on shoplot, and the malays tear it down, it's because you non-malays not learning about islam. If nons don't learn islam and follow islam, how can you expect malays accept you?

Insaf laa
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I know you are being sarcastic. your comments are in the verge of favoritism. there are other troubles caused by the others races in malaysia. your comments work vice versa with the chinese and indians too. perhaps even other minorites in malaysia. you don't think the malays have issue with other ethnic's conduct? sad.gif

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post Nov 23 2015, 07:06 PM

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What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek

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post Nov 23 2015, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:06 PM)
What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek
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it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
but truthfully.. macam ni lah.. you guys do what you want. don't learn the language, perhaps it is for the best.

Edited my post above and here. since there are errors in what I meant to express.

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:10 PM)
it's depend on the person, it could be gila maruah, it could also be about ideals a government have for it's country. the japanese enforce japanese the arabs enforce arabic. so on and so forth.
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I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:06 PM)
What do you call a Malaysian who cannot speak Bahasa Melayu?
A Malaysian.

this reminds me of a tv show. Where an American ask an Hispanic guy to speak American. I'm like wtf. Not english meh. laugh.gif Seems like some American also gila maruah nak protek protek speaking English. Referring english as American. topkek
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Not sure if kuda, wiminz, murrican or all.

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QUOTE(slimey @ Nov 23 2015, 04:43 PM)
Lel.
Unity is not that simple.
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Tell that to China and their Putonghua.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Nov 23 2015, 07:19 PM)
Not sure if kuda, wiminz, murrican or all.

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post Nov 23 2015, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM)
I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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Sigh, that ignorance~
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Nov 23 2015, 07:24 PM)
Sigh, that ignorance~
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I want to cry reading that post. Maybe that person is still very young...
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Nov 22 2015, 09:10 PM)
Actually it is a nice trick for DAP this time, semangat kenegerian of Sarawakian is still pretty strong.

If parliment officially denying the rights of Sarawakians, be ready to see protek from both bumi/non-bumi Sarawakians.
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Yawor... now East is flexing their electoral power biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:14 PM)
I mean if v do trace back who created English or Malay. I doubt Malay language was created by Malaysians, I doubt English was created by American. So I feel there's no need to feel so proud and refer to those that can't speak Malay is not considered as Malaysian.

Malay as in our BM most likely is developed from Bahasa Indon? Not sure on this. And also English I doubt is created by the Americans. Must have been thousand years ago, ppl move to America and stay there, after some time, English is accepted or something lik dat.

Being Malaysian is not only about able to speak Malay, altho that is 1 of the feature of being a Malaysian. Being Malaysian means much more, we got different variety of foods, experience diff cultures, etc.
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1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language(if it's even a derivative.. I dare not say for sure.. since the two countries are so close.. and I am for the most part ignorant), but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..

This post has been edited by RottoManual: Nov 23 2015, 07:38 PM
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(RottoManual @ Nov 23 2015, 07:34 PM)
1.today, the region have been divided by definition of a country, long ago it was kingdoms.. but you have to understand.. put borders aside, malaysia and indonesia are close neighbours... at it's core, the malay are them, and vice - versa. their connections runs deep. the malays,indonesian,etc.. are the people of Nusantara. now the malay language is the language of malaysia, yes it its a very close derivative to the indonesian language, but the malays and indonesians are indeed close. culturally, ethnically and language.

2.it is as you say..but remember, it is an undeniable fact that the malay language is a part of the land's culture.

P.S, you are a  malaysian whether you could speak malay or not.. of course! No one should say otherwise..
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Yea. What I was implying in my previous post is that the root of Malay language, might not necessary be from Malaysia. The very first usage of the Malay language might be from some other kingdoms/region.

Did some google-ing.

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The Ancient Malay or Proto-Malay is the language believed to exist in prehistoric times, spoken by the early Austronesian settlers in the region. Its ancestor, the Proto-Malayo-Polynesian language that derived from Proto-Austronesian, began to break up by at least 2000 BCE as a result possibly by the southward expansion of Austronesian peoples into the Philippines, Borneo, Maluku and Sulawesi from the island of Taiwan. Proto-Malay language was spoken in Borneo at least by 1000 BCE and was, it has been argued, the ancestral language of all subsequent Malay dialects. Linguists generally agree that the homeland of the Malayic-Dayak languages is in Borneo, based on its geographic spread in the interior, its variations that are not due to contact-induced change, and its sometimes conservative character.[3] Around the beginning of the first millennium, Malayic speakers had established settlements in the coastal regions of modern-day South Central Vietnam, Tambelan, Riau Islands, Sumatra, Malay peninsula, Borneo, Luzon, Maluku Islands, Bangka-Belitung Islands and Java.[4]


Long long time ago, some other parts of Asia/Borneo do speak Malay too.

Kudos to Malaysia for establishing Malay as the national language. I have no problem with that. Just that someone could not comprehend what I wrote, or maybe my writing skill no gud. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(YellowKingValley @ Nov 23 2015, 07:23 PM)
Tell that to China and their Putonghua.
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QUOTE(briantwj @ Nov 23 2015, 07:41 PM)
Yea. What I was implying in my previous post is that the root of Malay language, might not necessary be from Malaysia. The very first usage of the Malay language might be from some other kingdoms/region.

Did some google-ing.
Long long time ago, some other parts of Asia/Borneo do speak Malay too.

Kudos to Malaysia for establishing Malay as the national language. I have no problem with that. Just that someone could not comprehend what I wrote, or maybe my writing skill no gud.  laugh.gif
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the connections runs deep as you've pointed out. oh, and it was nice chatting with you.

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