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evieta
post May 17 2016, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(xoxlifestyle100 @ May 16 2016, 06:34 PM)
Thanks, I'll look into that!!

On a side note, I think we Malaysians (assuming everyone here are Malaysians), really lack the ability to encourage people and be constructive as much as wanting to throw cold hard facts.. Speaking of which I have also met people who got IELTS all Band 9 on the first try.. Ever heard of confirmation bias? Google it up... Perhaps your perception on how you view other matters in life would change. Of course just my 2 cents.

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Well my bro got a band 9 overall and he is Chinese ed. So it's possible. I have seen so many people esp from China who moved here since young that are good in both Mandarin and English.

If you are getting a 189 visa and your English is good, I do not see why would it would be hard to get a job in your field. As you are graduating soon, I gather you would be joining one of the big 4s in Singapore or Malaysia. So by the time u get a PR, you should have some work experience. make your work experience in Malaysia/Singapore count, be hardworking, try to be the most outstanding staff in your batch, make your partner, managers and seniors love your work and they may even agree to transfer you to aust once your PR is approved.

If I am you, I'll probably head to Singapore to work while waiting for my PR to be approved. You are still young, you have time to plan and I am sure you will be here one day!









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post May 17 2016, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 16 2016, 11:37 PM)
same, highest was listening cos very semangat as it was the first test laugh.gif

i learn my English from reading, being a KL boy, can't run away from English and Cantonese

but IELTS is something i don't want to resit... maybe cos i haven't studied for an exam since i graduated more than 10 years ago, hahahah
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My speaking was the last, taken in Park Royal hotel after all the other tests.

I got lucky, the examiner asked my favourite topic: Swimming.
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post May 17 2016, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(jianh @ May 17 2016, 09:16 AM)
My speaking was the last, taken in Park Royal hotel after all the other tests.

I got lucky, the examiner asked my favourite topic: Swimming.
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i took it few days before the exam marathon laugh.gif

topic was how you spend your free time or something like that, very open ended conversation...
some more my wife gave birth not long ago therefore i barely have time even to pangsai laugh.gif
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post May 17 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(evieta @ May 17 2016, 06:51 AM)
Well my bro got a band 9 overall and he is Chinese ed. So it's possible. I have seen so many people esp from China who moved here since young that are good in both Mandarin and English.

If you are getting a 189 visa and your English is good, I do not see why would it would be hard to get a job in your field. As you are graduating soon, I gather you would be joining one of the big 4s in Singapore or Malaysia. So by the time u get a PR, you should have some work experience. make your work experience in Malaysia/Singapore count, be hardworking, try to be the most outstanding staff in your batch, make your partner, managers and seniors love your work and they may even agree to transfer you to aust once your PR is approved.

If I am you, I'll probably head to Singapore to work while waiting for my PR to be approved. You are still young, you have time to plan and I am sure you will be here one day!
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What if you are among the lucky one that got offer from Big4 Australia straight as fresh graduate (subclass 457)? Will you go straight to accept the offer? The fact is that Australians themselves are looking out opportunities in Singapore/UK/North America due to the weakening of AUD.

Aus pay is "high", but the disposal income is lower. Life good? That's depends. Speaking from my experience/observation, the effective income tax rate as a senior auditor is approximately 4% in SG, 2% in Malaysia, 16.5% in Japan and 26% in Australia.

Million dollar question is, whether you will be better off in Australia if you are foreigner, single, fresh graduate/minimal experience and no Aus property in hand.
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QUOTE(evieta @ May 17 2016, 07:51 AM)
Well my bro got a band 9 overall and he is Chinese ed. So it's possible. I have seen so many people esp from China who moved here since young that are good in both Mandarin and English.

If you are getting a 189 visa and your English is good, I do not see why would it would be hard to get a job in your field. As you are graduating soon, I gather you would be joining one of the big 4s in Singapore or Malaysia. So by the time u get a PR, you should have some work experience. make your work experience in Malaysia/Singapore count, be hardworking, try to be the most outstanding staff in your batch, make your partner, managers and seniors love your work and they may even agree to transfer you to aust once your PR is approved.

If I am you, I'll probably head to Singapore to work while waiting for my PR to be approved. You are still young, you have time to plan and I am sure you will be here one day!
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I hijack your post above but thanks for the advice given. I will remember that.
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post May 17 2016, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 09:47 AM)
What if you are among the lucky one that got offer from Big4 Australia straight as fresh graduate (subclass 457)? Will you go straight to accept the offer? The fact is that Australians themselves are looking out opportunities in Singapore/UK/North America due to the weakening of AUD.

Aus pay is "high", but the disposal income is lower. Life good? That's depends. Speaking from my experience/observation, the effective income tax rate as a senior auditor is approximately 4% in SG, 2% in Malaysia, 16.5% in Japan and 26% in Australia.

Million dollar question is, whether you will be better off in Australia if you are foreigner, single, fresh graduate/minimal experience and no Aus property in hand.
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what's the pay of a senior auditor in Malaysia? 2% so little... that's like RM3k/month?
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I hijack your post above but thanks for the advice given. I will remember that.
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The fact is that if you are too good among your peers, you are unlikely of getting the chance for secondment/transfer. I wasn't the best among my peers but I got among the most exposures and survived. If you aim to be the best, then your goal should be partner in that firm not to go anywhere else.

My advice: be the "second" best if you are planning to transfer.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 17 2016, 09:54 AM)
what's the pay of a senior auditor in Malaysia? 2% so little... that's like RM3k/month?
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Yea, <RM1k income tax I'm supposed after taking into account various reliefs and rebates available. Take the max advantage of relief.

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post May 17 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ May 16 2016, 04:45 PM)
Let say if I turn the scenario around. If one who is a fresh graduate and he/she secures a job offer in Oz (let say graduated from Monash Malaysia in this case). Can he/she obtain a visa ? Thanks.
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Yes he can but it's working visa 457 and it's relevant to his profession. He has to work at least 2 years for the company to be eligible to apply PR. 2 options will involve:-

1) go thru 189/190.....again it will falls to point system. however, if he worked at least 1 year here already got 5 points dy on experience. so some ppl actually under 457 for 3 - 5 years can actually make up the 60 points. BUT, that's not the point, the biggest hurdle on this one is IELTS. Depends on ur occupation requirement. If your account IELTS requirement is band 8, then good luck. That's why alot of ppl stuck in there for many years.
I know it sound harsh but that's the truth.

2) the employer will keep on sponsoring him...well, maybe there's some rich company willing to do so

I hope i'm wrong but that's what i knew

This post has been edited by Nemesis1980: May 17 2016, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 17 2016, 09:54 AM)
what's the pay of a senior auditor in Malaysia? 2% so little... that's like RM3k/month?
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My wife worked for auditor for many years. pay is ganasai...
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post May 17 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 17 2016, 10:19 AM)
dont come no job smile.gif
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Australia now very gloomy....wait until economy getting better.
I dunno why is there a perception grass is greener here.....
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post May 17 2016, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 17 2016, 10:21 AM)
Australia now very gloomy....wait until economy getting better.
I dunno why is there a perception grass is greener here.....
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But this is the best time foreigners could get job here because the local Australians are also looking for opportunities elsewhere. Grass (lifestyle) is greener but yes, not always the fact. This morning I met a young man in his late 20's in the station (he's from Singapore). He said he "came to Aus too early". I told him that he can always go back to his own country first. His friends who come over Aus few yrs later than him - able to own a landed property and have a nice MPV. In Aus, we can hardly save enough.

Food for thoughts for whoever plan to come over Aus.

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post May 17 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 10:48 AM)
But this is the best time foreigners could get job here because the local Australians are also looking for opportunities elsewhere. Grass (lifestyle) is greener but yes, not always the fact. This morning I met a young man in his late 20's in the station (he's from Singapore). He said he "came to Aus too early". I told him that he can always go back to his own country first. His friends who come over Aus few yrs later than him - able to own a landed property and have a nice MPV. In Aus, we can hardly save enough.

Food for thoughts for whoever plan to come over Aus.
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frankly... disposable income wise, why is it worse than Malaysia?
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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 10:48 AM)
But this is the best time foreigners could get job here because the local Australians are also looking for opportunities elsewhere. Grass (lifestyle) is greener but yes, not always the fact. This morning I met a young man in his late 20's in the station (he's from Singapore). He said he "came to Aus too early". I told him that he can always go back to his own country first. His friends who come over Aus few yrs later than him - able to own a landed property and have a nice MPV. In Aus, we can hardly save enough.

Food for thoughts for whoever plan to come over Aus.
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yeah, not that bad though. there's no good or bad time. it's all about who came in earlier. the earlier u come, the earlier u establish urself here.
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post May 17 2016, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 10:48 AM)
But this is the best time foreigners could get job here because the local Australians are also looking for opportunities elsewhere. Grass (lifestyle) is greener but yes, not always the fact. This morning I met a young man in his late 20's in the station (he's from Singapore). He said he "came to Aus too early". I told him that he can always go back to his own country first. His friends who come over Aus few yrs later than him - able to own a landed property and have a nice MPV. In Aus, we can hardly save enough.

Food for thoughts for whoever plan to come over Aus.
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Bro thats because those coming from Sg are on SG D savings ...which is almost 1 to 1, hence Singaporean migrants i would say better off then from malaysia.

Earning capacity in Singapore is much higher and also savings.

From malaysia i seriously doubt you can migrate here with similar amount in savings unless you're from a well to do family and your early days are already debt free. Or from a high paying senior job or a businessman.

For a malaysian , i say come as early as you can get the opportunity, cause your earning capacity based on age is better here then in MY
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QUOTE(selvenz @ May 17 2016, 11:26 AM)
Bro thats because those coming from Sg are on SG D savings ...which is almost 1 to 1, hence Singaporean migrants i would say better off then from malaysia.

Earning capacity in Singapore is much higher and also savings.

From malaysia i seriously doubt you can migrate here with similar amount in savings unless you're from a well to do  family and your early days are already debt free. Or from a high paying senior job or a businessman.

For a malaysian , i say come as early as you can get the opportunity, cause your earning capacity based on age is better here then in MY
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Yeah, agreed with that!
make sure u don't have big debts back home and u could start your financial foundation stronger here.
next generation for kids have better future and prospect.
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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 10:55 AM)
The fact is that if you are too good among your peers, you are unlikely of getting the chance for secondment/transfer. I wasn't the best among my peers but I got among the most exposures and survived. If you aim to be the best, then your goal should be partner in that firm not to go anywhere else.

My advice: be the "second" best if you are planning to transfer.
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Another kind advice noted. Thanks.
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post May 17 2016, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 17 2016, 11:14 AM)
Yes he can but it's working visa 457 and it's relevant to his profession. He has to work at least 2 years for the company to be eligible to apply PR. 2 options will involve:-

1) go thru 189/190.....again it will falls to point system. however, if he worked at least 1 year here already got 5 points dy on experience. so some ppl actually under 457 for 3 - 5 years can actually make up the 60 points. BUT, that's not the point, the biggest hurdle on this one is IELTS. Depends on ur occupation requirement. If your account IELTS requirement is band 8, then good luck. That's why alot of ppl stuck in there for many years.
I know it sound harsh but that's the truth.

2) the employer will keep on sponsoring him...well, maybe there's some rich company willing to do so

I hope i'm wrong but that's what i knew
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Thanks.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 17 2016, 11:01 AM)
frankly... disposable income wise, why is it worse than Malaysia?
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Disposable income definitely higher than malaysia. Probably the greatest expense here are rental ans tax. Thats all.

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