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BravoZeroTwo
post Jan 13 2016, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Jan 11 2016, 07:00 PM)
Applied via agent. The IELTS, VETASSESS etc took about 6 months.

My EOI was really, really quick- I got an invite for a 190 about 10 days after I put in my EOI. Visa was granted within 60 days?

Then again, my nominated occupation is a little uncommon amongst Malaysians (mostly are engineers/ accountant), so the quota for mine is never full tongue.gif
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Congrats Sis ! May I ask what's your nominated occupation in the SOL ? Thanks.

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post Jan 14 2016, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(daylight_dancer @ Jan 13 2016, 09:23 PM)
It was assessed under Vocational Teacher.
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post Mar 1 2016, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(xerofear @ Mar 1 2016, 12:13 AM)
A personal story of mine.

I have been in Perth, Australia for the past 6 years and have recently came back to Malaysia for work. My application process for PR is an interesting one and some of you may learn something from my experience.

I got my Bachelors of Engineering (Chem Eng) back in Feb 2013 and at that time I was 5 points short of applying for PR as I was below the 25-30 age bracket. Took IELTS a couple of times to get the score of all Band 8.0 and did not manage to achieve it (closest I gotten was 9 8.5 8.5 7.5). This was with about a months English focused self mentoring and going for lessons (if you are in Curtin try to get the uni counselor to help you). I wasted about 4-5 months doing this.

Researched around and decided to do Navitas Professional Year Program to get my last 5 points for PR. This program is roughly 10 months. The first 6 or so months entails you going to class to learn how to conduct yourself within a professional working environment, writing resumes and having mock up interview sessions. Personally, I feel that these lessons only teach you basic knowledge that you should already know if you have been applying for professional jobs.

The second part of the course (3 months) is the interesting bit as Navitas (the course provider) is obligated to find you an internship for a company related to your field. However do note that this internship is unpaid and your mileage may vary depending on how you ask for work in the company itself. Navitas would give you a questionnaire for you to state which sector you would like to go into. For me, as I had an interest within the HSE/O&G sector my internship was in a marine services company that dealt with O&G industry.

After my internship ended, I obtained the necessary documents from Navitas and immediately started my application process. As I was hired by the company I interned in and was busy, I used a migration agent to help me settle the application process (total cost was around AUD 6000). The agent submitted my application in Dec 2014, got assigned a case officer around early Feb 2015 and obtained my PR in Mar 2015.

Everything was fine and dandy till Perth economy became jialat. I was made redundant around Aug 2015 and was rehired by my ex-boss on a per contract basis work. Tried looking around for work and decided to come back to Malaysia to gain some working experience instead of working part time and to visit family (haven't been back for almost 2 years).

Currently back in KL and am pretty happy with the change of pace. Now to maintain my cumulative 2 years for PR renewal  rclxub.gif
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Thanks for sharing. Some people made it there. Some people made it big time here in homeland. How long it took you to land a job in M'sia ?
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post Mar 2 2016, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(xerofear @ Mar 1 2016, 08:31 PM)
Around 2+ months. Started applying before I came back and had an interview lined up the moment I came back to KL. Today first day  rclxm9.gif
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Congrats to your new beginning ! What's your role in the new company may I ask ? Thanks.
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post Mar 3 2016, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(xerofear @ Mar 2 2016, 09:32 PM)
Project and Process Engineer
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post Mar 3 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(lilfire @ Mar 2 2016, 11:30 PM)
Hi there,
Sorry for not able to reply earlier as m busy with work and packing smile.gif

If your case is straight forward then yes it is cheaper to do it yourself.
As for me as i'm an accountant with 60 points sad.gif So i've decided to pay more to get it done!
My agent is located in Perth and he charged me for AUD 4500 for agent fees only.
Pay AUD 2200 when engaging him and AUD 2300 when PR granted.
However, this is the price 1 year back.
But then i can totally have a peace of mind as he is do everything for me.
The only thing that i need to do myself is body check up XD

Many people have the wrong mind set here that the sooner you get a case officer assigned means you'll get your PR faster.
Many agent also quote that they can get a case officer assigned fast or whatsoever.

But the truth is if everything you submitted is correct then you dont even got the chance to know who is your case officer coz they will just approved your case without even needing to contact you.

As for me, I lodge my eoi on the 6th Nov,get invite on 11th Nov,submit everything (health check,cert of good conduct etc) by 26th Nov,pr approve in 1st Dec.
Dont even have any case officer XD
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May I ask which qualifications you used for your application ? Thanks.
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post Mar 3 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(lilfire @ Mar 3 2016, 05:24 PM)

What you mean by qualifications?
The skill assessment? i used my degree result for CPA.
a agent from the people i meet during ielts.
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Qualification as in your university degree or you used any professional accounting qualification to qualify ?
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post Mar 4 2016, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(lilfire @ Mar 3 2016, 08:39 PM)
Nope.
Just purely using my university degree.
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Thanks. Which university you graduated from ?
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post Mar 6 2016, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(lilfire @ Mar 5 2016, 09:01 PM)
I actually completed my studies in Msia.
But my certificate is from La Trobe Australia.
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post May 3 2016, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 3 2016, 10:03 AM)
My 2c worth. Pros and cons.

OZ
Pros
Excellent work life balance, no need to worry abt kids education, safety net in retirement, relatively spacious accomm. n affordable if not picky abt city or suburb.
Cons
Hard to get started in career again, leading to financial stress, diff culture.
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Can share how the tax contribute to our retirement in a nutshell ? Thanks.
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post May 4 2016, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 4 2016, 10:43 AM)
Basically there is a safety net.
Medical and aged care services are heavily subsidised.
If your super (EPF) is below a certain threshold, the govt tops it up to ensure that minimal living standards are met.
Basically the Oz government is panicking a bit now, cos the population is aging and there r not enough taxpayers to take over.
Hence they are allowing all the mainlanders to come in and invest n contribute to the tax revenue.
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Thanks, shazam7.
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post May 5 2016, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 5 2016, 11:28 AM)
Aged care and health system is not great here. but it's better than anywhere else. unless u wanna migrate to places like norway, germany or other EU countries (not the bankrupt one....lol)
i got my ex manager in 60's whining about the pension and healthcare. u still can get regular check up and surgery operation at the government expenses (u already paid ur tax anyway) just the queuing time is crazy.
insurance always the options.
Now Oz is facing welfare trap, paying too much. if u dun really get into old ozzie pension lifestyle, please do. they can simply call the ambulance or asking for serious check up whilst the small headache...that's why they're open up the borders for more skilled professional like us to work here, contribute taxes and feed these bloke. in return government give u lifestyle....lol

for me it's still far better than anywhere else dy. malaysia don't even have a welfare to take care pensioners.

OK, come to another question about taxes.
Recently, i came back from KL and had a dinner in OVERSEAS RESTAURANT near Armada Hotel. had 2 table cost like RM2400 all including 6% GST. When i look thoroughly, there's 10% service tax. the 6% to be ontop of the total sum. this blew me away thinking of why is there another 10% service while u got 6% GST imply already? It means that the total GST we're paying is app. 15% to be precise.
What's the meaning of GST? goods and services tax...... shakehead.gif
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Correct me if I am wrong here about Malaysia Government hospital which costs RM1 to visit a doctor plus medication (if any). Witnessed a patient who paid RM3100.00 to have two valves replaced during an open heart operation recently. Not sure how Australian health care system works on similar scenarios ? Thanks.
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post May 5 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 5 2016, 12:33 PM)
RM1 what so called 1M clinic. u won't find any doctors but nurses (oh yeah....) to diagnose u. Been to government medical centre b4. Yes, operation on any illness can be very cheap in malaysia BUT how long u gonna queue?
Besides that, my experience with some UM doctors are ganasai. I'm not accusing all but some bad apples in there.

Oz healthcare sometimes is shit too. depending which hospital u're heading. I always look for hospital with less people....of course not the sangkala area.  still, queuing up is a thing. Overall services still better than malaysia. My wife went to surgery last year. yeah, they really do take care of u and won't like scolding like shit. change clothing everyday, greet u and make sure you're in a good care. food is superb too. that's the general hospital here.
the whole hospital is bright and clean.

Probably local Ozzie expect something better than now while malaysian like us seen the worst hospital before. if Ozzie live and stay in malaysia general hospital, i thk they'll be thinking living in hell....lol
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Thanks for sharing here. Let's say in Australia, if I have no money; can I still receive treatment in the hospital ? I know Malaysia doesn't have age care centre that's why the mushrooming of old folks homes. Is age care in Australia mean there are places why the old people go for shelter ? I am not too sure how the system works there.
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post May 5 2016, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 5 2016, 12:46 PM)
during my uni years, we need to buy medicare... a hostel mate of mine met a car accident and did a major operation, if i remember correctly, this leg patah or something like that... cost of the operation was AUD40k and he didn't need to pay a single cent

not sure if its the same now though cos it was many years back
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post May 5 2016, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 5 2016, 12:55 PM)
U can still receive treatment in public hospital if u no $. However there are limited spaces so there is a queue. The more life threatening illness go to top of list.
Private health insurance allows u to jump queue. There is still some out of pocket expenses, maybe a couple of Ks.
If u no $ and old, govt will take care of u. Pensions if u can still live alone. Home care if u need help ie someone will come n help with housework/cooking a few hours a day or week. Aged care home/old folks home if u no longer can take care. If u no $, the govt will cover the costs. Benefits are based on how much $ u have in EPF/super.
Of course this is current system will change as the gov is running out of $ to take care of the growing number of old folk.
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Thanks. I have a clearer picture now.
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post May 5 2016, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 5 2016, 02:16 PM)
A family member had swelling in her ovaries. Needed surgery. Spent 3 days in private hospital.
Costs:
Hospital - $500 (excess, the balance covered by private health insurance).
Hospital room is like 5* hotel.
Surgeon - $1500

In MY, relative had surgery in university hospital.
Costs - 10K RM
Hospital ward - 6 in a room. Shared toilet had no hot water and no toilet roll.
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What a huge difference.
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post May 16 2016, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 16 2016, 03:46 PM)
No way u can get 189/190 with your current situation. Trust me. Please read the skill assessment 1st. My wife is chartered accountant but she's not using her pro as primary applicants as is much harder. so using mine as primary coz my professional requirement is lower.

Point contribution on experience:-

Aust:-
1 year = 5 points
3 years = 10 points
5 years = 15 points

Overseas:-
3 years = 5 points
5 years = 10 points
8 years = 15 points

My case is i claimed 15 points based on my malaysia working experience which is 9 years.

I'm not trying to pour you cold water but you're unlikely to get any visa approval. My advice is get as many working experience as possible. Don't worry, the point system and requirement always change. Plenty of chance to apply.
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Let say if I turn the scenario around. If one who is a fresh graduate and he/she secures a job offer in Oz (let say graduated from Monash Malaysia in this case). Can he/she obtain a visa ? Thanks.
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post May 16 2016, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ May 16 2016, 06:06 PM)
For that to happen, the company will be preparing a working visa for that person. Now the question back to you is, since you are an overseas fresh grad with 0 experience and unproven, why would an OZ company hire you compared to a local fresh grad?

Sorry for being so straightforward. Need some harsh questions sometimes.
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Let say if I manage to get local Oz connection to get hired over there. If that's the case, is it still possible ? May I ask under which work visa category I can apply for ? Thanks.
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post May 16 2016, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Soony @ May 16 2016, 06:22 PM)
The company will apply on your behalf a visa 457, which they have to justify strongly on the reason why they can't find a local hire.

Unless the company is chinaman, they will probably ask you to apply yourself a 489 visa before they will hire you. All in all, visa first then job later, that's the most common route

Note: If something looks too good to be true, please consult others for opinions.
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If I go under visa 457, can Border still reject my application ? Thanks for the advice.
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post May 17 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(evieta @ May 17 2016, 07:51 AM)
Well my bro got a band 9 overall and he is Chinese ed. So it's possible. I have seen so many people esp from China who moved here since young that are good in both Mandarin and English.

If you are getting a 189 visa and your English is good, I do not see why would it would be hard to get a job in your field. As you are graduating soon, I gather you would be joining one of the big 4s in Singapore or Malaysia. So by the time u get a PR, you should have some work experience. make your work experience in Malaysia/Singapore count, be hardworking, try to be the most outstanding staff in your batch, make your partner, managers and seniors love your work and they may even agree to transfer you to aust once your PR is approved.

If I am you, I'll probably head to Singapore to work while waiting for my PR to be approved. You are still young, you have time to plan and I am sure you will be here one day!
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I hijack your post above but thanks for the advice given. I will remember that.

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