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evieta
post May 17 2016, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 10:47 AM)
What if you are among the lucky one that got offer from Big4 Australia straight as fresh graduate (subclass 457)? Will you go straight to accept the offer? The fact is that Australians themselves are looking out opportunities in Singapore/UK/North America due to the weakening of AUD.

Aus pay is "high", but the disposal income is lower. Life good? That's depends. Speaking from my experience/observation, the effective income tax rate as a senior auditor is approximately 4% in SG, 2% in Malaysia, 16.5% in Japan and 26% in Australia.

Million dollar question is, whether you will be better off in Australia if you are foreigner, single, fresh graduate/minimal experience and no Aus property in hand.
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I'll just comment on the comparison between Aust and Malaysia.

I would think that you are still better off in Australia even though the disposable income is lower in Malaysia . Simply because the currency is stronger.

I googled the average income for senior auditor in Australia is AUD 67k per annum. I used the ato comprehensive tax calculator (assume net of super) and the annual tax is around aud 15k. The effective tax rate is around 22% and take home pay per mth is AUD 4.3k.

Say in Malaysia a senior auditor earns RM 67k (assume net of Epf) a year and the annual tax is rm 2.7k. The effective tax rate is ard 4% and take home pay is RM5.3k.

If you think staying in Malaysia is better off because eating out is cheaper and you probably don't need to buy house because you live and would inherit a family home then perhaps, Malaysia would be better for you.

Otherwise, with rm5.3k take home pay in Malaysia per month, it's really hard to save to even buy a house. Travel to First world countries would cost few mths salary and buying a car would cost at least rm 50k.

With a take home pay of AUD 4.3k.. You def have a stronger purchasing power. Buying a brand new car only cost AUD 24k. Rent for one room is around AUD 800 a week? Travel to Europe and US is easier than if earning RM.








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post May 17 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 16 2016, 02:49 PM)
Dai lou ar, no visa for him how can he worked??? Door also don't have
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haha yeah i was talking once you got a PR and looking for your first local exp nod.gif
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post May 17 2016, 07:55 PM

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actually in oz if you stopped working for 1.5 years is ok and you can put in your cafe/volunteer experience in there, employers like that very much
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post May 18 2016, 12:36 AM

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Btw, anyone here applied for any accounting related roles before? I would like to have a few questions though

1. If we are staying in Malaysia, can we still apply through IPA or ICAA for skill assessment? Since to the best of my knowledge I only know CPA office is at Mid Valley.

2. In ICAA and CPA skill assessment it states "quantitative methods" (as far as i know it's a master's level finance subject or engineering subject or universities such as UniMelb has this subject. So is there any possibility that it actually meant "Business Statistics"?. Because in IPA website it says Business Statistics.

3. I have read somewhere else in other forums that if we meet 9 out of the 12 core knowledge areas we will most likely get a positive skill assessment too. Are these the 12 core knowledge areas and is this fact true?

Mandatory subjects :
Accounting Systems and Processes
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Finance

Optional :
Auditing
Commercial Law
Economics
Quantitative Methods
Accounting Information Systems
Taxation Law
Corporations Law
Accounting Theory

4. Can someone share their skill assessment experience here? Thanks!
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post May 18 2016, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ May 17 2016, 09:55 AM)
The fact is that if you are too good among your peers, you are unlikely of getting the chance for secondment/transfer. I wasn't the best among my peers but I got among the most exposures and survived. If you aim to be the best, then your goal should be partner in that firm not to go anywhere else.

My advice: be the "second" best if you are planning to transfer.
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From what I heard, it is really difficult to get transferred. And the Big 4 in Aussie don't recognize the Big 4 in Malaysia. That's what I heard.
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post May 18 2016, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(xoxlifestyle100 @ May 18 2016, 12:39 AM)
From what I heard, it is really difficult to get transferred. And the Big 4 in Aussie don't recognize the Big 4 in Malaysia. That's what I heard.
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I did my internship in kl and brisbane. Started in big4 sg, seconded to jpn when i was senior, now in melb. All internal transfer. It's not that big4 aus dont recognise big4 mas, but depends when you get transferred. Usually you will be downgraded but they stil recognise ur prior work exp with member firm. At least this was stated in my contract.
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post May 18 2016, 06:09 AM

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QUOTE(xoxlifestyle100 @ May 18 2016, 01:36 AM)
Btw, anyone here applied for any accounting related roles before? I would like to have a few questions though

1. If we are staying in Malaysia, can we still apply through IPA or ICAA for skill assessment? Since to the best of my knowledge I only know CPA office is at Mid Valley.

2. In ICAA and CPA skill assessment it states "quantitative methods" (as far as i know it's a master's level finance subject or engineering subject or universities such as UniMelb has this subject. So is there any possibility that it actually meant "Business Statistics"?. Because in IPA website it says Business Statistics.

3. I have read somewhere else in other forums that if we meet 9 out of the 12 core knowledge areas we will most likely get a positive skill assessment too. Are these the 12 core knowledge areas and is this fact true?

Mandatory subjects :
Accounting Systems and Processes
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Finance

Optional :
Auditing
Commercial Law
Economics
Quantitative Methods
Accounting Information Systems
Taxation Law
Corporations Law
Accounting Theory

4. Can someone share their skill assessment experience here? Thanks!
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Answers :

1. Yes you can use ipa and Icaa. Just google migration assessment ipa or icaa and the respective site will take you through the process. As they do not have presence in Malaysia, u will need to certify docs and post it to them. Where as for Cpa, you can bring ur photocopy n ori to their office to certify for free and they will post the docs to aust for the assessment. If u use Cpa, can save from certification n postage cost.

2. Seems to me it's business's stats but I cannot confirm. You can email/call cpa or ipa or icaa to confirm. Or anyone else can confirm..

3. http://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/become-a-cp...nd-requirements Looks like quantitative mtds and econ are now mandatory subjects also.

4. I used CPA becos I am a member the assessment is free for full members. If you qualify to enter CPA program, even not full member yet, you shud be able to get a positive assessment.
Basically just provide the list of documents required on the cpa website, submit and wait 6 weeks (if I rmb correctly). Then wait for outcome or whether they need more supporting documents.
Just to share...my fren grad from HELP( uk degree).. She went to the uni to get the syllabus for the icaa assessment and apparently the uni already have it because a few ex students had the same request before .




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post May 18 2016, 07:22 AM

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New SOL available now for those intending to start applying for the 189.


https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Sk...tions-lists/SOL
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post May 18 2016, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(xoxlifestyle100 @ May 18 2016, 12:39 AM)
From what I heard, it is really difficult to get transferred. And the Big 4 in Aussie don't recognize the Big 4 in Malaysia. That's what I heard.
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Well, that's might not be 100% true. My ex-classmate who worked in EY KL applied for position in EY Brisbane & she got the position depending the company is vacant with that and willingness to train you.

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post May 18 2016, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(shazam7 @ May 18 2016, 07:22 AM)
New SOL available now for those intending to start applying for the 189.
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Sk...tions-lists/SOL
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Sometimes i just don't really understand on some occupations which is still in high demand as stated like accountant, bricklayer, nurses, engineering...
these occupations based on current economic situation doesn't bode well. i got 5 engineers, 3 nurses and 3 accountant jobless among my social gathering closed friends. They're 5 years working exp. at least.
My company just sent out job apps for brickies, i received 90 applications....

The immigration & the industries are not communicating! should have let the existing residents to be set priority instead taking more people in. On the other side, new comers will face another issue of not getting a job as no local experience sort of bullshit reason.

Obviously, government seen this is a time to rip immigrants $$ and tax them kaw2. Ozzie gov got no $$ liao, they start to implement something like increase GST to 12%......been talking for a while now.
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ May 17 2016, 07:49 PM)
haha yeah i was talking once you got a PR and looking for your first local exp  nod.gif
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i suggest that once he got the visa, few things he could do:-

1) drive uber lor (get a car not too old) - $25/hr
2) work in pick and pack - $23/hr
3) work for freelance (depending his profession)
4) gardening

restaurant is tiring, and pay is $hit, somewhere $15-17 nia, meant for ppl who can't speak proper inggeris.....i mean english

OR

1) look for his job profession company work as junior staff. got leave and pay somemore.
2) part time or casual also can la, at least accumulate experience
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post May 18 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 18 2016, 09:45 AM)
Sometimes i just don't really understand on some occupations which is still in high demand as stated like accountant, bricklayer, nurses, engineering...
these occupations based on current economic situation doesn't bode well. i got 5 engineers, 3 nurses and 3 accountant jobless among my social gathering closed friends. They're 5 years working exp. at least.
My company just sent out job apps for brickies, i received 90 applications....

The immigration & the industries are not communicating! should have let the existing residents to be set priority instead taking more people in. On the other side, new comers will face another issue of not getting a job as no local experience sort of bullshit reason.

Obviously, government seen this is a time to rip immigrants $$ and tax them kaw2. Ozzie gov got no $$ liao, they start to implement something like increase GST to 12%......been talking for a while now.
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its good money, they whack once from the PR application tongue.gif
immigrants come regardless with or without a job they still need to spend, whack again from GST tongue.gif
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post May 18 2016, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 18 2016, 09:35 AM)
Well, that's might not be 100% true. My ex-classmate who worked in EY KL applied for position in EY Brisbane & she got the position depending the company is vacant with that and willingness to train you.
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Yup. You're right. It's possible. I did the same thing but to another big4.
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post May 18 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ May 18 2016, 10:14 AM)
its good money, they whack once from the PR application tongue.gif
immigrants come regardless with or without a job they still need to spend, whack again from GST tongue.gif
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had this kinda conversation with my GM obviously angmoh ozzie. I whacked this hard and real hard as they don't know how hard it is to get a PR and get a job.
however, the perception from local ozzie is that asian tend to hv better academic skills and should have getting the easier.....now, that's how the true scenario is. They thought we easy to get a job and they let the non-certificate school leaver 1st or those blokes just came out from TAFE with cert 3 or 4 (equivalent to vocational school or institute....)
nonetheless, when u report to management level, ur GM might only have cert 3 but with tonnes of experience. they'll manage a bunch of degree holder asians like us.
at 1st i kinda culture shock on day 1 in Oz, but now don't really care anymore. as long u pay me descent pay so that i could buy house and cars......who cares anyway about the status.... dry.gif
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QUOTE(kael90 @ May 18 2016, 10:37 AM)
Yup. You're right. It's possible. I did the same thing but to another big4.
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and that was 5 years ago where Oz economy was superb...
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post May 18 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 18 2016, 10:56 AM)
had this kinda conversation with my GM obviously angmoh ozzie. I whacked this hard and real hard as they don't know how hard it is to get a PR and get a job.
however, the perception from local ozzie is that asian tend to hv better academic skills and should have getting the easier.....now, that's how the true scenario is. They thought we easy to get a job and they let the non-certificate school leaver 1st or those blokes just came out from TAFE with cert 3 or 4 (equivalent to vocational school or institute....)
nonetheless, when u report to management level, ur GM might only have cert 3 but with tonnes of experience. they'll manage a bunch of degree holder asians like us.
at 1st i kinda culture shock on day 1 in Oz, but now don't really care anymore. as long u pay me descent pay so that i could buy house and cars......who cares anyway about the status.... dry.gif
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frankly, i don't mind having a senior with less qualifications than i am, as long as he has good character, willing to teach and recognizes my effort, i'll follow him/her wherever he/she goes, of course money must be fair lar tongue.gif

but thanks for the heads up smile.gif
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post May 18 2016, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ May 18 2016, 10:08 AM)
i suggest that once he got the visa, few things he could do:-

1) drive uber lor (get a car not too old) - $25/hr
2) work in pick and pack - $23/hr
3) work for freelance (depending his profession)
4) gardening

restaurant is tiring, and pay is $hit, somewhere $15-17 nia, meant for ppl who can't speak proper inggeris.....i mean english

OR

1) look for his job profession company work as junior staff. got leave and pay somemore.
2) part time or casual also can la, at least accumulate experience
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Have to disagree with you on the restaurant part. You re probably aiming at the Asian restaurants. However, the other majorities will be paying more than $20+ an hour with weekends going up to a probable $30 an hour.

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QUOTE(Soony @ May 18 2016, 12:37 PM)
Have to disagree with you on the restaurant part. You re probably aiming at the Asian restaurants. However, the other majorities will be paying more than $20+ an hour with weekends going up to a probable $30 an hour.
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Yeap, re-phrase on that part. Mainly asian restaurant for sure.
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post May 18 2016, 01:47 PM

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Guys, quick question here: I've been requested by my case officer to provide my EA form for year 2013 as part of proving my employment history. Now, is there a way to download my past EA form rather than going back to my former employer and ask for a copy of it?

I can't seem to find this function LHDN website though..

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