good luck!!

plumber highest ,

my plumber AUD 180 ph - minimum 3 hr per call out

CBD high performance building

what u guys waiting for? degree is nothing. go to tafe and get cert3 &4 can become rich dy

I'm thinking of that, but somehow I don't think those ang mo want a Chinese trademan to repair their house/office. So u can only target the Asian customer.

I got chinese plumber here who earn big bucks. speaking broken english but good job

i think you missed out no need to do NS for guys

if you look at the graduates now in oz all of them have master already

Thats very true. Degree really like so common in oz.

I think degree is pretty common throughout the world. Though, I would say quarter/half of the local Aussies still go for trade skills.

I actually have a few questions, wonder if anyone can enlighten me. Here is some background of me myself.. Currently pursuing my final semester, Bachelor's Degree majoring in Accounting, Banking and Finance in Monash University Malaysia, and just sat for my first CPA Australia Paper a week ago. Enrolled myself into CFA (Perhaps not a wise choice but this is not the focus at the moment).

So here's my story:
My brother have gained his 189 and I am also looking to apply for a PR right after graduation. It seems the best route for me at the moment is 489 --> 887 which I think both the 489 and 887 is regional and requires me to stay at Victoria (cause my brother is in Victoria, Melbourne). I did consider 189, however getting a band score of 8 in all areas of IELTS seems achievable but I may have to take a couple tries (and not sure if it is worth trying so many times, RM750 each time is a lot for me as I don't come from a rich family and I have worked part time ever since completing my SPM).

I have been to Melbourne and Tasmania and pretty kinda like the lifestyle there (but it was on holiday and not work so it's still pretty hard to judge). My brother being a civil engineer graduate, have settled for a mechanic job (which pays lesser than what an engineer could earn but according to him it is difficult to get a job related to his degree and it could be for my case as well, but for him, lifestyle in Australia matters more. Of course I could feel he is a little sad not being able to find a job that is related to his degree although he bottles it up most of the time, he always tries to be more positive).

Okay, so the idea I get from my brother compared to Malaysia is, I get better lifestyle and work-life balance in Australia but I may most likely not be able to find a job that is related to my degree. Furthermore being a fresh graduate, I have no experience. One of the advice I have gotten from my brother's friend is to embark on a free labour in Australia perhaps for half a year to a year (if I can self support) in order to gain experience and hold a slightly better competitive edge compared to the local graduates.

So I guess my question is, what are the best advice I can receive? It seems to me if I stay on in Malaysia, my route would most likely be working in big 4 (for at least 3 years to fulfill my CPA Practical experience to become a Charter) which is renowned as being slave driver industry (I know I'm not suppose to complain as my early working years should be focused on learning), land myself in better bigger commercial experiences, but cost of living in Malaysia as we all know is crazy, political situation is always unstable, and safety issues are another thing. Plus, if i choose to go to australia next time, it seems I may have to start all over again from bottom as they don't recognize Malaysian working experience. (that is also if they decided not to remove all the accounting jobs from the SOL list, which they have been discussing to remove it every year)

However, if I embark to go on to Australia, it seems I may have to do kitchen hand jobs, and it may be for quite some time before I can land myself in a degree-related job (this is a risk however), and it also seems to be it is not possible to climb to a very high position in Corporate, perhaps until middle management only as it I heard Aussies are also quite racist (just that they don't show it). But the plus point is, although I don't get to perhaps earn big bucks in the further in Aussie (well, it could be doubtful I would in Malaysia as well), I get work-life balance, more time for family and myself in future, more safety and more political balance.

Another route that I can think of would be to start of in Singapore a few years first and move on to Aussie later (as it may be easier to get a degree related job in Singapore) and I heard Australians recognize singapore working experience. Hence would perhaps be easier to land myself in a degree related job in Australia as well.

So, question is, again, what would be the best advice I could use? Is my perception of these related matters right? If not, please enlighten me and I do understand the future poses for a lot of uncertainties and one could never really tell how and what would the future hold. But ultimately, for me, work-life balance and standard of living is of utmost importance for me, to have more time for myself to learn more new skills and explore (so it's not just work work work work work work work.. the longest life imprisonment ever...) and the ability to support my lifestyle (which I'm pretty sure in Malaysia it's tough.. Just one housing loan alone enough to set a bombshell on you).. I understand the property market in Melbourne is crazy as well but houses that are further away from the city is still pretty much affordable I think.. (and their transportation system is so efficient! So, I see no fuss being further away from the city).. In Malaysia, it's impossible to not own a car.. Own a car also susah! Everywhere jam..

Sorry for the long post! Hope to gain some response! Thanks

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 02:25 AM

You won't qualify for the 189/190 unfortunately as you need to have an occupation on the Skilled Occupation List. Seeing that you're not done with your degree, what more without any relevant work experience, you do not meet the basic requirement. Even for the 487 & the regional visa, once again,you don't meet the basic requirements.

Your idea of working in Sg first will likely be a better path way in your quest to secure a proper visa with work/ living rights in the AU.

Best solution: get working experience in SG/ MY for at least 1-2 years, if not more. Then apply for a 190/189 and leave. DO NOT under any circumstance, go over on a tourist visa and attempt go gain ANY employment. Border is strict as hell and you will be deported and likely blackisted so that will definitely hurt your chance of any future visa applications.

Patience is key here. Best of luck.

Hi there, I'm sorry but may you clarify how exactly I wouldn't qualify for the 189 requirement or the 489?. Please elaborate.. Have you check up the Skill Assessment by CPA/ICAA/CA (the skill assessment bodies for migration for accountancy roles)? And what requirement will I fulfill exactly if i have worked in SG/MY for at least 1-2 years? Also, please take note I am applying right after graduation (or results) in case I haven't state that clearly.

Thanks for your advice regardless!

Thanks and cheers.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 12:06 PM

SG and MY as well as all the asian countries are lump into one so there are no advantages for these countries but if you had europe or america experience definitely an edge and would have higher chance

meanwhile while trying to look for work you could either volunteer or/and look for cafe/restaurant jobs eg. foh/kitchenhand. you can survive even with rent you would see most of the customers treat the cafe/foh staff well cos most of them worked before in that industry and they know it's tough

This post has been edited by DarReNz: May 15 2016, 12:10 PM

Okay.. Thanks! From what I heard they recognize singapore working experience. But good to know to hear that they they don't recognize singapore working experience.. Good to know they recognize europe or america though!

189 requires you to HAVE some job experience, CPA etc or not.

You can look this up on Border.gov.au or talk to an agent.

http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/189-
http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/489-

I think you need to do your research. As what some of the others have said pages before, you need to do your homework before asking the obvious. No offence meant, but honestly I think you're lacking the knowledge as to how one qualifies for a Skilled Independent Visa 189/190/ Skilled Regional 489. The keyword being 'skilled', i.e having experience.

I have a 190 and I qualified after 5-6 years experience in a nominated occupation.

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: May 15 2016, 01:09 PM

He can't get volunteer work in AU without a proper visa. So that's likely not an option.

For the sake of clarity, I am going to respond to this needless reply.

Reason for being needless:
1) Giving an implied impression of being 100% definitive and 100% confident when you could be wrong.
2) Throwing a wet blanket on people.
3) Not being constructive.
4) Are you even capable of extracting the main questions that are asked in my post?
5) Is there a possibility that you want lesser competition in Australia? If yes, bugger off.

I may sound arrogant or crude, but i believe the reasons stated above is more than enough to put me off. However, I stand to be corrected. And yes, for clarity sake, I shall enlighten you further, please prove me wrong.

The keyword being 'skilled' means you must be nominated in an occupation in SOL list. The jobs that I can be nominated for are here in this link. Please read. (For other nominated jobs, you may need working experience depending on what job you want to be nominated for, so every job requirement for nomination is DIFFERENT)

http://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/become-a-cp...nd-requirements

You can also check up ICAA and CA as well (since CPA isn't exactly updated). As these 3 are the regulating bodies for accountancy in australia and they handle migration. So they will assess you and see if you are fit to be nominated in the job you are selecting under the SOL list. To summarize, (I believe you need this, as based on your post it seems to me you have not being doing your research enough and you think you have done a better research than others) I would need IELTS Academic Band 7 in all areas to satisfy the english requirement and satisfy the subjects requirement during the pursuit of my Bachelor's Degree as well as being an Australia equivalent degree. Please show me where in all the skill assessment requires me to have working experience? (Now if you are talking about point test then that's a different story, it may help garner more points but let's not go there shall we? and let's assume I have got that covered, or else this is gonna drift further off topic than my original intended intention in posting here).

Now, you have indicated I should speak about credentials given that you said you hold a 190 pr and have 5-6 years of working experience. I have more than 5 friends that are holding PR in australia. Some citizenship. My brother holds a PR as well as his girlfriend. His close friend is a lawyer and a migration lawyer helping many foreigners to obtain their PR. So if they are getting their PR through his consult and paying consultancy fees. They must be either be blatant idiots or the australian migration department is seriously messed up.

I don't mean any offence. But if you feel offended, just note I am a reaction to an action especially in forums where you don't know me and I don't know you so I am completely compelled and unrestrained at all in showing how I would totally respond to this kind of reply..

Thanks.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 01:47 PM

Are you a professional or do you have tertiary education in any way? If you have you would be a disgrace to your alma mater. If you don't have, now I can understand why... Because you fail to see the implied assumption I have on my post and failed to see the question in my post. In case I did not make myself clear.

The assumption in my post is:
1) I will have no issues working in SG,MY or Australia

The question in my post is:
1) What advice would you guys have given the situation described.

Thanks

Double post

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: May 15 2016, 02:16 PM

For he who supposedly is not angry, your reply proves otherwise. Anyway...


1. I have done extensive research BEFORE applying for visas. Spoken to agents, did thorough read throughs. Clearly you're offended by the fact that your response indicates as such.
2. I have provided you links. See under 'the points test- invitation pathways'. However while I realise you don't want to look at the points system, there will be documentation needed to prove you have the experience needed to be nominated. All of us who have applied were asked for things like BE forms, payslips, Offer letters etc.
3. Now, you have indicated I should speak about credentials given that you said you hold a 190 pr and have 5-6 years of working experience. I have more than 5 friends that are holding PR in australia. Some citizenship. My brother holds a PR as well as his girlfriend. His close friend is a lawyer and a migration lawyer helping many foreigners to obtain their PR.------> Use an agent if that is what you want. Don't come here and ask for advice, seeing that you HAVE the so-called resources and such to request such things. After all, your brother/ gf got their PR. Doesnt make a difference as Border updates things every 1 July EVERY YEAR. But then again, you'd know that right.
4. You seem frustrated for someone who supposedly knows what he's talking about. From your statement, I still conclude you either have not come across the right info, or you're frustrated because there seems to be barely any options for you to seemingly apply for a visa.
As for number 5 hahaha as if. My SOL is nothing most who apply work under. Majority who apply are engineers/ lawyers/ accountants.

How to assess skills if you've no experience? VETASSES, APC & other assessment bodies have not granted favourable replies to applicant. But then again, you know this so yeah.And if you say people you know got their visas without working experience, then good for them. It might be a case of luck or a loophole somewhere, who knows. YOu can either: take the exact same path, or B, don't. Up to you however you want to spend your dosh.

I have more than 5-6 working experience but in a non-related field, plus the Skilled Occupation that I came under has few applicants so chance were high. Also, even then, as of Decemeber 2015, regulation on that SO has changed.

As for your aim to be a kitchen help/ waiter help idea, perhaps it would have been helpful to share what visa you plan to work under. One alternative is to do the working/holiday visa and from there work. But then again, as I've said. YOu probably know this what, from your reply up above. Now if you're already in Aus, a Graduate Visa could be of use.

http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/485-#

If your brother studied in Aus, this is probably what he got at first, then later a 189, if you're saying he had no job experince. Or another way was maybe a company sponsored visa. Sometimes if one is lucky, it does happen.

This post has been edited by daylight_dancer: May 15 2016, 02:27 PM


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