Would like to ask (hope it's the right place). Do australians recognize malaysian working experience particularly in accounting and banking sector? how about commercial? (I'm not talking about the points in the point test system)... Cause i heard some people saying a lot of experienced corporate people that worked for many years here in malaysian have to start from beginning (fresh grad pay) in australia.. How true is this? I have also heard people saying it is impossible for asians to get into top management in Australia. Hope someone with experience can enlighten me further on this. Thanks..

I actually have a few questions, wonder if anyone can enlighten me. Here is some background of me myself.. Currently pursuing my final semester, Bachelor's Degree majoring in Accounting, Banking and Finance in Monash University Malaysia, and just sat for my first CPA Australia Paper a week ago. Enrolled myself into CFA (Perhaps not a wise choice but this is not the focus at the moment).

So here's my story:
My brother have gained his 189 and I am also looking to apply for a PR right after graduation. It seems the best route for me at the moment is 489 --> 887 which I think both the 489 and 887 is regional and requires me to stay at Victoria (cause my brother is in Victoria, Melbourne). I did consider 189, however getting a band score of 8 in all areas of IELTS seems achievable but I may have to take a couple tries (and not sure if it is worth trying so many times, RM750 each time is a lot for me as I don't come from a rich family and I have worked part time ever since completing my SPM).

I have been to Melbourne and Tasmania and pretty kinda like the lifestyle there (but it was on holiday and not work so it's still pretty hard to judge). My brother being a civil engineer graduate, have settled for a mechanic job (which pays lesser than what an engineer could earn but according to him it is difficult to get a job related to his degree and it could be for my case as well, but for him, lifestyle in Australia matters more. Of course I could feel he is a little sad not being able to find a job that is related to his degree although he bottles it up most of the time, he always tries to be more positive).

Okay, so the idea I get from my brother compared to Malaysia is, I get better lifestyle and work-life balance in Australia but I may most likely not be able to find a job that is related to my degree. Furthermore being a fresh graduate, I have no experience. One of the advice I have gotten from my brother's friend is to embark on a free labour in Australia perhaps for half a year to a year (if I can self support) in order to gain experience and hold a slightly better competitive edge compared to the local graduates.

So I guess my question is, what are the best advice I can receive? It seems to me if I stay on in Malaysia, my route would most likely be working in big 4 (for at least 3 years to fulfill my CPA Practical experience to become a Charter) which is renowned as being slave driver industry (I know I'm not suppose to complain as my early working years should be focused on learning), land myself in better bigger commercial experiences, but cost of living in Malaysia as we all know is crazy, political situation is always unstable, and safety issues are another thing. Plus, if i choose to go to australia next time, it seems I may have to start all over again from bottom as they don't recognize Malaysian working experience. (that is also if they decided not to remove all the accounting jobs from the SOL list, which they have been discussing to remove it every year)

However, if I embark to go on to Australia, it seems I may have to do kitchen hand jobs, and it may be for quite some time before I can land myself in a degree-related job (this is a risk however), and it also seems to be it is not possible to climb to a very high position in Corporate, perhaps until middle management only as it I heard Aussies are also quite racist (just that they don't show it). But the plus point is, although I don't get to perhaps earn big bucks in the further in Aussie (well, it could be doubtful I would in Malaysia as well), I get work-life balance, more time for family and myself in future, more safety and more political balance.

Another route that I can think of would be to start of in Singapore a few years first and move on to Aussie later (as it may be easier to get a degree related job in Singapore) and I heard Australians recognize singapore working experience. Hence would perhaps be easier to land myself in a degree related job in Australia as well.

So, question is, again, what would be the best advice I could use? Is my perception of these related matters right? If not, please enlighten me and I do understand the future poses for a lot of uncertainties and one could never really tell how and what would the future hold. But ultimately, for me, work-life balance and standard of living is of utmost importance for me, to have more time for myself to learn more new skills and explore (so it's not just work work work work work work work.. the longest life imprisonment ever...) and the ability to support my lifestyle (which I'm pretty sure in Malaysia it's tough.. Just one housing loan alone enough to set a bombshell on you).. I understand the property market in Melbourne is crazy as well but houses that are further away from the city is still pretty much affordable I think.. (and their transportation system is so efficient! So, I see no fuss being further away from the city).. In Malaysia, it's impossible to not own a car.. Own a car also susah! Everywhere jam..

Sorry for the long post! Hope to gain some response! Thanks

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 02:25 AM

Hi there, I'm sorry but may you clarify how exactly I wouldn't qualify for the 189 requirement or the 489?. Please elaborate.. Have you check up the Skill Assessment by CPA/ICAA/CA (the skill assessment bodies for migration for accountancy roles)? And what requirement will I fulfill exactly if i have worked in SG/MY for at least 1-2 years? Also, please take note I am applying right after graduation (or results) in case I haven't state that clearly.

Thanks for your advice regardless!

Thanks and cheers.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 12:06 PM

Okay.. Thanks! From what I heard they recognize singapore working experience. But good to know to hear that they they don't recognize singapore working experience.. Good to know they recognize europe or america though!

For the sake of clarity, I am going to respond to this needless reply.

Reason for being needless:
1) Giving an implied impression of being 100% definitive and 100% confident when you could be wrong.
2) Throwing a wet blanket on people.
3) Not being constructive.
4) Are you even capable of extracting the main questions that are asked in my post?
5) Is there a possibility that you want lesser competition in Australia? If yes, bugger off.

I may sound arrogant or crude, but i believe the reasons stated above is more than enough to put me off. However, I stand to be corrected. And yes, for clarity sake, I shall enlighten you further, please prove me wrong.

The keyword being 'skilled' means you must be nominated in an occupation in SOL list. The jobs that I can be nominated for are here in this link. Please read. (For other nominated jobs, you may need working experience depending on what job you want to be nominated for, so every job requirement for nomination is DIFFERENT)

http://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/become-a-cp...nd-requirements

You can also check up ICAA and CA as well (since CPA isn't exactly updated). As these 3 are the regulating bodies for accountancy in australia and they handle migration. So they will assess you and see if you are fit to be nominated in the job you are selecting under the SOL list. To summarize, (I believe you need this, as based on your post it seems to me you have not being doing your research enough and you think you have done a better research than others) I would need IELTS Academic Band 7 in all areas to satisfy the english requirement and satisfy the subjects requirement during the pursuit of my Bachelor's Degree as well as being an Australia equivalent degree. Please show me where in all the skill assessment requires me to have working experience? (Now if you are talking about point test then that's a different story, it may help garner more points but let's not go there shall we? and let's assume I have got that covered, or else this is gonna drift further off topic than my original intended intention in posting here).

Now, you have indicated I should speak about credentials given that you said you hold a 190 pr and have 5-6 years of working experience. I have more than 5 friends that are holding PR in australia. Some citizenship. My brother holds a PR as well as his girlfriend. His close friend is a lawyer and a migration lawyer helping many foreigners to obtain their PR. So if they are getting their PR through his consult and paying consultancy fees. They must be either be blatant idiots or the australian migration department is seriously messed up.

I don't mean any offence. But if you feel offended, just note I am a reaction to an action especially in forums where you don't know me and I don't know you so I am completely compelled and unrestrained at all in showing how I would totally respond to this kind of reply..

Thanks.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 01:47 PM

Are you a professional or do you have tertiary education in any way? If you have you would be a disgrace to your alma mater. If you don't have, now I can understand why... Because you fail to see the implied assumption I have on my post and failed to see the question in my post. In case I did not make myself clear.

The assumption in my post is:
1) I will have no issues working in SG,MY or Australia

The question in my post is:
1) What advice would you guys have given the situation described.

Thanks

I have concluded it will be a total waste of my time to continue further.. Thanks for your advice though. If you want reason why i regard it will be a total waste of my time:

1) I already mention no need to further delve into the point test as the point test and being nominated as a skilled person in SOL list is 2 different things. Point test is under requirement number 4. Nomination and skill assessment is under requirement number 1 & 2. They are 2 different things although you need to do them together when submitting for migration (I think, doesn't matter what's the procedure for now, I can clarify that later on as it's not that important as long as I have everything ready as this is just a matter of procedure). (I.E, you can pass your skill assessment but still lack of points under the point test system, however vice versa is not possible, so in away passing the skill assessment is a pre-requisite to point test you could say although you'd definitely need both, but your argument is I will not be able to pass my skill assessment given that I do not have working experience. Then later you posted something from the point test which is a totally different requirement (Can you see your conflict here?). After that you talk about other assessing bodies that doesn't assess accountants which is totally irrelevant.)

2) VETASSES doesn't assess accountants..... those fresh grads getting their pr must be really lucky then.

3) No need to sound sarcastic. I believe I have clearly stated my reasons for posting. And yes everything that you have stated, honestly, I knew it already... That is why again, I am not posting to ask for help as to how to acquire PR or Visa.. I am asking about job prospect and etc to consider compared to working in Australia and Malaysia.

And nope, I am not angry, like I said, I stand to be corrected, but you appear to me as someone that is very authoritative and has quite a bit of ego choosing to focus on something that someone could possibly not achieve measured by your standards and knowledge which shows that you are a person that claims to think he knows everything as nowhere in your message points any modesty at all. If I am like you, I don't think I will be posting in this forum to gather more insights as to what people think.

Now (with a BIG SIGH), are we done? so we can get back on track.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 02:31 PM

1. You should learn how to respect people. It's very unsightly to see someone belittle another person and then tramp on the possibly and unproven difficulties of a person by your standards which is not even the focus of my post.

2. To answer your question. I have nothing. I said after graduation I am looking to apply 189 or 489. (I definitely can't apply for 190 so that is out of the question as that requires state nomination). But I am a little short handed to apply for 189 as I need all band 8 in Ielts General to have enough points. However, for 489 would be possible and I have all the documents ready. So I am contemplating whether to sit for ielts again for 189 or not as there is a clear regional limitation to 489. Btw the 489 visa allows you to apply for 887 (PR) if you meet the requirement.

3. Personally, I too don't think Monash Graduates deserve high regards, so we can agree on that.

Cheers.

1. Im saying they are a different requirement to be met....... The requirements is not to read in between the lines of the PR as the requirements are clearly stated. 1. Nominate an occupation you want that have to be in SOL. 2. Get proper assessment. 3. Cannot be over 50. 4. Point test 5. At least competent English...

So skill assessment is under 1 and 2..... then only point test under requirement 4..... Is there further elaboration needed?

2. Ok great. Lets keep it at there.

3. I heard employer sponsored visa may not be that easy... I have read the working holiday visa some time ago, I guess I'll check it out again. Thanks on the heads up on page 20. Now we're talking.

Uhhhh.... Okay... Whoever you think I am then. Cheers.

I'm sorry too if I have offended you in any way. Good that we can move on now.

Just to clarify, I think without citizenship my brother can sponsor me too. Under 189 pr it states that you can nominate people (he's holding the 189 pr). And under 489 visa it states that who can nominate you.

I hope I can get too.. Just a little demotivated since i was short of 0.5 band score but I have heard of many cases where people taking 9-10 times.. I guess I shall try again when I have the time.

Yup previously 489 had that requirement (I think it was known as 485? unsure). But I know I can apply for 489. And yes, afraid on the set back i might have if i apply for 489 as well in terms of job opportunities (would be great if anyone can further enlighten me on this).

Haha, I don't know who you are. but anyways I'm glad we can move past whatever that was earlier, and thanks for your kind advises now. Really appreciate it. Would look into working holiday visa as well (previously didn't bother about it because my brother's friend who is a lawyer and is very familiar with migration stuffs since he is an agent I think, he just told me to get ielts band 8 for general for point test and ielts academic 7 for skill assessment and just apply 189 straight) I later found out about 489 and asked him about it, he told me to go for 189 straight too without much reason.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 02:59 PM

Wow.. amazing.. The last time i took was 2 months ago. I attended classes with a private tutor (2 classes) to know better what to expect. So i did some preparation. I've got 9 for both listening and reading. But only 7.5 for writing and speaking. Right after that I googled a little and realized a lot of people complain that it feels dodgy as there could be some manipulation.. But then again... even if there is, to get my arse over there I have to retake again loh..

Okay, I shall ask him on that.

Thanks for the encouragement!.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 15 2016, 03:19 PM

Thanks for the advice!

I sat for both as I needed both. And no, the general is definitely easier. For the speaking module it is roughly the same but they ask a lot more detailed questions in academic. For reading, i completed the test in 30-40 minutes in general and took up almost 50-60 minutes for academic. Listening is easier for general as well. Writing is roughly the same I feel. So general is definitely easier in my opinion.

Okay thanks! Planning to retake soon..!

cool! Thanks!

Yup.. praying very hard too since this coming July 1st is gonna be sort of like my "judgement day" as my Monash results is only releasing on the 11th June. And yes, I have also heard rumours saying Accountants may need 65 points.. Hopefully that's not the case.

Yeah, that's one of the option I'm considering, just a little afraid that I may not be able to land a permanent job related to my degree is what makes me hesitate/uncertain or perhaps insecurity you may name it. Thanks!

Thanks, I'll look into that!!

On a side note, I think we Malaysians (assuming everyone here are Malaysians), really lack the ability to encourage people and be constructive as much as wanting to throw cold hard facts.. Speaking of which I have also met people who got IELTS all Band 9 on the first try.. Ever heard of confirmation bias? Google it up... Perhaps your perception on how you view other matters in life would change. Of course just my 2 cents.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: May 16 2016, 05:36 PM

Yeah that's what I heard also from my tutor previously. They rotate every week and make one module harder than the rest.

Btw, anyone here applied for any accounting related roles before? I would like to have a few questions though

1. If we are staying in Malaysia, can we still apply through IPA or ICAA for skill assessment? Since to the best of my knowledge I only know CPA office is at Mid Valley.

2. In ICAA and CPA skill assessment it states "quantitative methods" (as far as i know it's a master's level finance subject or engineering subject or universities such as UniMelb has this subject. So is there any possibility that it actually meant "Business Statistics"?. Because in IPA website it says Business Statistics.

3. I have read somewhere else in other forums that if we meet 9 out of the 12 core knowledge areas we will most likely get a positive skill assessment too. Are these the 12 core knowledge areas and is this fact true?

Mandatory subjects :
Accounting Systems and Processes
Financial Accounting
Management Accounting
Finance

Optional :
Auditing
Commercial Law
Economics
Quantitative Methods
Accounting Information Systems
Taxation Law
Corporations Law
Accounting Theory

4. Can someone share their skill assessment experience here? Thanks!

From what I heard, it is really difficult to get transferred. And the Big 4 in Aussie don't recognize the Big 4 in Malaysia. That's what I heard.

Guys, wondering if 489 has the same job opportunities as 189? Particularly accounting/finance/banking related jobs.. ceteris peribus.

This post has been edited by xoxlifestyle100: Jun 3 2016, 12:16 PM