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Moral of the story. SellkarbuyviosPROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V69, 69 :3
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V69, 69 :3
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Dec 16 2015, 04:24 PM
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Dec 16 2015, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(akmalrosli @ Dec 16 2015, 04:19 PM) Hasif, saw you commenting on a Facebook page about the ducktail spoiler. So pasang already or not? Haha aiyo sebut nama terus haha, which one ah? spin spoiler? if spin spoiler one shop in shah alam offer me rm230 siap cat rm450 siap side skirt. tempting for side skirt and spoiler actually but got to spare money change timing belt and crank pulley one shot. |
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Dec 16 2015, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 16 2015, 04:24 PM) aiyo sebut nama terus haha, which one ah? spin spoiler? Yea spin spoiler. Looks amazing on red sagas. Damn clean looking. if spin spoiler one shop in shah alam offer me rm230 siap cat rm450 siap side skirt. tempting for side skirt and spoiler actually but got to spare money change timing belt and crank pulley one shot. What brand is the crank pulley? Ive been looking at either the works or the mythelogy crank pulley for quite some time now. Mythelogy has a damper but not sure its worth the premium over works eng cause of that damper. This post has been edited by akmalrosli: Dec 16 2015, 04:32 PM |
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Dec 16 2015, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(akmalrosli @ Dec 16 2015, 04:27 PM) Yea spin spoiler. Looks amazing on red sagas. Damn clean looking. spot on look very sleek with red tailights. btw thinking to get a flat black mia cheap sikit cos my car black color. What brand is the crank pulley? Ive been looking at either the works or the mythelogy crank pulley for quite some time now. Mythelogy has a damper but not sure its worth the premium over works eng cause of that damper. crank pulley cheapest is aerospeed i think Rm2++. if zordaq reach Rm4++ already. mythelogy just got qoute from drex EA auto RM549 exclude gst and free installation but need to order cos no stock worth or not need to summon our sifu TitanRev he used works iinm works oso no damper only mythelogy crank pulley got damper. |
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Dec 16 2015, 06:41 PM
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Dec 16 2015, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 16 2015, 04:24 PM) aiyo sebut nama terus haha, which one ah? spin spoiler? Orang kaya sure okay. if spin spoiler one shop in shah alam offer me rm230 siap cat rm450 siap side skirt. tempting for side skirt and spoiler actually but got to spare money change timing belt and crank pulley one shot. But dont need full bodykit later drop when racing. |
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Dec 16 2015, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 16 2015, 04:08 PM) I'm on Denso...now still on Denso...1st set I use IT20 now on IT22Look at the most left spark plug after 46K (not 30K usage) On my previous post I mentioned even with such plug I still can drive by on dyno it shows a minor drop in the overall WHP graph and car was a bit hesitant which was not easy to be felt unless you really push the car really hard on a daily basis where the slightest change will get you thinking. Just a note so that I don't panic everyone to go open their spark plug to check. My car usage is different. I rive the car hard majority of the time, track it, race it..so that might be the cause of the melted iridium tip...as my shifting point is every time 6250 on every gear during race. ![]() This post has been edited by TitanRev: Dec 16 2015, 06:58 PM |
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Dec 16 2015, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 16 2015, 04:43 PM) spot on look very sleek with red tailights. btw thinking to get a flat black mia cheap sikit cos my car black color. Erm mine so far ok. No issuescrank pulley cheapest is aerospeed i think Rm2++. if zordaq reach Rm4++ already. mythelogy just got qoute from drex EA auto RM549 exclude gst and free installation but need to order cos no stock worth or not need to summon our sifu TitanRev he used works iinm works oso no damper only mythelogy crank pulley got damper. |
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Dec 16 2015, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(akmalrosli @ Dec 16 2015, 04:27 PM) Yea spin spoiler. Looks amazing on red sagas. Damn clean looking. If me, I want to find the rear boot lid that don't have the proton logo....a straight boot lid...more simple and clean line coz my car already debadgeWhat brand is the crank pulley? Ive been looking at either the works or the mythelogy crank pulley for quite some time now. Mythelogy has a damper but not sure its worth the premium over works eng cause of that damper. |
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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Dec 16 2015, 06:55 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Just a note so that I don't panic everyone to go open their spark plug to check. My car usage is different. I rive the car hard majority of the time, track it, race it..so that might be the cause of the melted iridium tip...as my shifting point is every time 6250 on every gear during race. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Dec 16 2015, 09:06 PM
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Dec 16 2015, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Dec 16 2015, 10:47 AM) I mean I bought a proton and I expected some of it but totally did not anticipate it to come this early It's not a real problem to begin with. This has been mentioned since 2008, the Kampro is an easy flooded engine. Remind yourself, during the unable to start situation. Did you?my dad was pretty much against it but I thought it was great value for money so went ahead with it hopefully major problems do not occur 1) Switch the key to ignition - Wuekekekekeke. No start, turn it off. Switch to ignition again -Wuekekekekeke. Again, repeat over and over again for few minutes the car aint start? 2) Step on the gas pedal - Wukekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke. The car still no start. 3) Did no1 and 2 simultaneously Some reading for you to read below. All topic has been covered. QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 6 2015, 05:12 PM) There will be chance that the noozle not close tight. Hence it flood the combustion chamber. I don't really mean repeatedly trigger the fuel pump by switching the key on/off manytime can replicate the flooding situation. I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but have seen how the nozzle works as I'd went for sonic cleaning by using the high frequency shaker to clean my injectors. Before cleaning the injector, we use the high pressure pump to go through the process of FLUSH. As I press the button to shut, there are still cleaning agent slowly drip off the nozzle head(flooding combustion chamber). According to magician, this is usually the FUEL itself not pure that causes such issue. It's not dirty, it's just that the fuel itself will create sludge and jammed the nozzle from contracting. After sonic cleaning, hook up the flush machine. As soon as I press the button to shut off, immediately nothing came out from the nozzle Technically, regardless how many times you switch the key on/off, the fuel regulator is there to hold the pressure at the right position. The most it will only strain your fuel pump and fuel delivery line. My point is, if your car already can't start during the WUEKEKEKE situation(which probably caused by nozzle not close tight, already flooding), somemore you switch the key on/off to trigger the fuel pump, the already leaking nozzle will further leak fuel and causing more kick start problem with the flooded combustion chamber. Hope this explains it well. Oh btw, thanks for the "complement". To me, your comment sound a lot more like saying I'm very CAINIS, to an extend a translator can direct translate my Engrish back to Cainis without an issue QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 26 2013, 10:19 PM) When the "unfortunate" happens, it's damn embarrasing cause the car so new yet cranking for a minute also kenot start Overflow happened because of high pressure in fuel rail, delivering excessive of fuel into the injectors over time. As and when engine stop, injector nozzle unable to fully retract, hence left excessive unburnt fuel inside the combustion chamber. Especially under 2 special occasions, over time in traffic jam immediately pulled over and off engine(go petrol station fuel up). After that got in the car, crank and figured the engine wouldn't go alive no matter how you crank it. Another 1 is, at long distance drive, get down for a pee come back and very hard to crank start. Usually overflow happens on race car/performance engines, but I don't really know why our nutter Campor have that kinda attitude. May be because... ![]() ![]() Just bear in mind, if you turn your key to START and the car aint start, don't turn the key switch all the way back to OFF. Because the next time you turn the key to ON again, your fuel pump will deliver more fuel to the fuel rail/fuel pressure valve, and the overflow situation will become more serious. Either you release the key from START back to ON, then continue twist the key to START keep cranking the car until hidup, or you switch it off go down have a cup of tea let the excessive fuel vaporize inside the combustion chamber. And 1 last rule of thumb, this is a bloody fuel injection car, DO NOT practice whateverthefuck your father/grandfather/unker teaches you to step on the gas pedal whilst kicking start your engine. This is another good way to make the fuel overflow your combustion chamber. Peace and out QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 5 2013, 08:15 AM) Aunty, it's not cold or warm start. When you drove the car for a distance, the injector's nozzle is set to spray fuel. And when you shut your engine, some excessive petrol will leave inside the combustion chamber. If the next crank your spark plug misses all 4 cylinder's ignition, you'll be cranking your engine for few minutes straight already due to over flow Another thing is, when your engine having a hard crank, I don't know why so many people will release their key switch. Turn the damn thing off again. After few seconds, turn the key to ON and hear the fuel pump sound again, then start engine again People, the next time if you're having a hard to start situation. Just hold the key switch keep cranking. Like someone mentioned on previous thread, just lean your forehead on the steering wheel and keep starting the car |
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 16 2015, 10:16 PM) It's not a real problem to begin with. This has been mentioned since 2008, the Kampro is an easy flooded engine. Remind yourself, during the unable to start situation. Did you? Yep, I stepped on gas pedal and the engine can be fired up. However the whole car will shake violently and the engine will then die when I rev up to 4k rpm. And it only happens once, after that totally cannot start up already.1) Switch the key to ignition - Wuekekekekeke. No start, turn it off. Switch to ignition again -Wuekekekekeke. Again, repeat over and over again for few minutes the car aint start? 2) Step on the gas pedal - Wukekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekekeke. The car still no start. 3) Did no1 and 2 simultaneously Some reading for you to read below. All topic has been covered. thanks for the head up bro! still trying to get my head around it, don't really understand it. It would be great if resourceful posts like this are indexed in the first page! This post has been edited by TechnoG: Dec 17 2015, 01:14 AM |
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Dec 17 2015, 05:44 AM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Dec 17 2015, 01:13 AM) Yep, I stepped on gas pedal and the engine can be fired up. However the whole car will shake violently and the engine will then die when I rev up to 4k rpm. And it only happens once, after that totally cannot start up already. Banjiredthanks for the head up bro! still trying to get my head around it, don't really understand it. It would be great if resourceful posts like this are indexed in the first page! |
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Dec 17 2015, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Dec 17 2015, 02:13 AM) Yep, I stepped on gas pedal and the engine can be fired up. However the whole car will shake violently and the engine will then die when I rev up to 4k rpm. And it only happens once, after that totally cannot start up already. TS letak first page pun tarak guna pepel never bother to read and digest.thanks for the head up bro! still trying to get my head around it, don't really understand it. It would be great if resourceful posts like this are indexed in the first page! 1) NEVER EVER step on the pedal when crank start your car. 2) NEVER EVER turn the switch from ON -> ACC -> LOCK -> ACC -> ON back and forth every time unable to crank start. just rest the key at ON position. from ACC -> ON, the fuel pump will activate and that time, petrol will be injected. every time ON -> ACC > ON, fuel pump will continuously flooding the spark plug, resulting cannot crank start. deswai davidke20 say u kena conned into changing new sparkplug. pressing the pedal when crank start also flooding the sparkplug resulting in hard to crank start. if u fast fast turn key from LOCK -> ACC -> ON, straight away without resting a while at ON, waiting for fuel pump to stop buzzing, will also resulting u need more time to crank start your car, as you don't have enough supply of fuel injected by the fuel pump to start your car. sorry my noob explanation everybody. again, david already give a lot of information already. i am just repeating/summarizing what he told you. up to you if can understand or not. normally, for a car noob like us, when unable to crank start the engine, we will become panic. when that happens, we will be using instinct rather that rationed, e.g turn ON -> ACC back and forth, try pressing the pedal like the old school carburetor car start method. we will be panic because mainly like you said, you car is only 8K mileage CANNOT be rosaked faster, somemore you are owning a PROTON car. later u be ashamed because u never listen to your dad and so sombong thinking new car where can go rosaked fast. when you feel your car rosaked only at 8k mileage, then only u feel regret having a proton car. by then way, just relax. IRIZ also you go lurking their thread laso got many problems. what car is having a ZERO problems i ask you? This post has been edited by iskazulka: Dec 17 2015, 08:50 AM |
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Dec 17 2015, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Dec 17 2015, 08:29 AM) TS letak first page pun tarak guna pepel never bother to read and digest. Abam Iska, calm down brader. We're getting aged, not good to keep on nagging people. Blood pressure dah tinggi, gaji masih rendah, BN(barang naik) lagi, not easy to keep our pace anyways. So, it's good that we got people to change sepakberak to stimulate the current slow economy 1) NEVER EVER step on the pedal when crank start your car. 2) NEVER EVER turn the switch from ON -> ACC -> LOCK -> ACC -> ON back and forth every time unable to crank start. just rest the key at ON position. from ACC -> ON, the fuel pump will activate and that time, petrol will be injected. every time ON -> ACC > ON, fuel pump will continuously flooding the spark plug, resulting cannot crank start. deswai davidke20 say u kena conned into changing new sparkplug. pressing the pedal when crank start also flooding the sparkplug resulting in hard to crank start. if u fast fast turn key from LOCK -> ACC -> ON, straight away without resting a while at ON, waiting for fuel pump to stop buzzing, will also resulting u need more time to crank start your car, as you don't have enough supply of fuel injected by the fuel pump to start your car. sorry my noob explanation everybody. again, david already give a lot of information already. i am just repeating what he told you. up to you if can understand or not. As for the "flooding" issues, I think solely depending on luck. There will be tiny little group of "unlucky" owner that gets an "abnormal" kampro engine. Reason being, may be factory overlooked during "quality control" inspection. Hence their kampro are "defective" from hard to crank start plobrem On/Off repeatedly? Yes, might trigger the fuel pump. But if the injector nozzle is in good condition, by right there will not spill any petrol into the combustion chamber unless driver depress the gas pedal during CRANK start. Fortunately, our ever so smart Continental/SIEMEN ECU preprogrammed with toto position sensor calibration PRE-START. Hence, the time when you hold the key from OFF to ON position, whilst waiting for fuel pump TIT sound, there's some hidden action that we're not aware off. Where the totobodi will open/shut itself to measure it's own opening angle. Good thing is, AFTER the PRE-START, all totobodi signal will be CUT OFF. The entire process from OFF to ON to fuel pump TIT sound, until totobodi calibration, the injectors are instructed to SHUT... UNTIL you hit the START switch. This point of time if you put your feet on the gas pedal...Well, if your fire system so happen to ignite 1 of the piston, yes you'll still able to fired up the engine without issue. However, if all 4 chamber are flooded, then congratulations, you've successfully simulated the banjired combustion chamber situation Regardless, people are right about their comments too. Such as fuel pump, fuel filter, fuel rail, fuel regulator, throttlebody, spark plugs, ignition coils, yes all of them can affect the kick start capability of the engine. But the flooding chronicle "feature" of our Kampro is just too damn common. Hence, most of the time long crank may work. But if kicking start for 5 minute straight without touching gas pedal, engine still don't come alive, then no choice gotta send for mechanical rectification. It's not common problem anymore. |
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Dec 17 2015, 09:46 AM
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lucky i wait tht fuel pump kick in before start engine..
no more hard 2 start or crank so long to start.. |
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Dec 17 2015, 09:57 AM
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sorry for the nagging btw.normal la abang nagging adik. but, the truth is, when ayam typing in here, ayam typing with love and care. i aged fella normal nagging pepel we love
btw, ayam also one of gaga owners who never experienced hard crank start also This post has been edited by iskazulka: Dec 17 2015, 10:02 AM |
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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Dec 17 2015, 08:29 AM) TS letak first page pun tarak guna pepel never bother to read and digest. I do read the first few pages like the service interval information, cause I really car noob 1) NEVER EVER step on the pedal when crank start your car. 2) NEVER EVER turn the switch from ON -> ACC -> LOCK -> ACC -> ON back and forth every time unable to crank start. just rest the key at ON position. from ACC -> ON, the fuel pump will activate and that time, petrol will be injected. every time ON -> ACC > ON, fuel pump will continuously flooding the spark plug, resulting cannot crank start. deswai davidke20 say u kena conned into changing new sparkplug. pressing the pedal when crank start also flooding the sparkplug resulting in hard to crank start. if u fast fast turn key from LOCK -> ACC -> ON, straight away without resting a while at ON, waiting for fuel pump to stop buzzing, will also resulting u need more time to crank start your car, as you don't have enough supply of fuel injected by the fuel pump to start your car. sorry my noob explanation everybody. again, david already give a lot of information already. i am just repeating/summarizing what he told you. up to you if can understand or not. normally, for a car noob like us, when unable to crank start the engine, we will become panic. when that happens, we will be using instinct rather that rationed, e.g turn ON -> ACC back and forth, try pressing the pedal like the old school carburetor car start method. we will be panic because mainly like you said, you car is only 8K mileage CANNOT be rosaked faster, somemore you are owning a PROTON car. later u be ashamed because u never listen to your dad and so sombong thinking new car where can go rosaked fast. when you feel your car rosaked only at 8k mileage, then only u feel regret having a proton car. by then way, just relax. IRIZ also you go lurking their thread laso got many problems. what car is having a ZERO problems i ask you? Ok, I roughly get your explanation in layman terms. So in the future never step on the pedal, and don't push the key back to LOCK as it'll 'reset' the fuel pump to stop. Nevertheless, I would know what to do in the future when this problem pops out again. Thanks! really appreciate the time used for explaining it. QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 17 2015, 05:44 AM) only understood this statement after reading iskazulka's reply |
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